we're talking about public stuff here. with trump in the race it become asahi profile public spectacle but the race will be won or last base tonight work that is done largely invisible, at the grass-roots level, bringing on volunteers convincing people to vote for you, hand shake by hand shake, ads placed in the local papers and that's unseen. you have to balance those two, a strong grass-roots game along with a clear-cut vision and convincing presentation on the debate stage. >> the organization matters as much as these public appearances. >> no question about. >> it so if you were on this stage and you are facing a donald trump and it's anyone's guess how he shows up thursday night, how would you prepare and execute depending on what you're nationing? >> far be it from me to give advice to these folks. >> just from your perspective. if you were facing this how would you approach this? >> i think what you're seeing is last night there's a clear