some deals with movies. jordan: in the '80s, some serial killers were treated like celebrities, and the media outlets would actually compete to get the rights to their stories. ramirez was in that group. linedecker: he did what a lot of people like him do. he suddenly decided that, "gee, i'm a celebrity, and i'm going to milk this for everything i can milk it for." yochelson: there was some indication that there was a book deal in the works, which poses all kinds of ethical issues, so the judge actually appointed another lawyer just to advise ramirez as to the possible issues of financing his defense through a book deal, and ramirez refused to talk to that lawyer. ultimately, daniel and arturo hernandez came on the case. they're not related, even though they have the same last name. the family has retained us officially, and as far as we're concerned, we are the attorneys for mr. ramirez. hernandez: we ended up with the case, and it made a big difference, absolutely,