>> no, it's not, don. and i'll agree with your other guest here that there have been much more tortuous and violent times in our history. and the encouraging thing we've seen tougher times and we're going to get through this. the great political historian meacham said -- we've had tougher times and there are tough times ahead but it doesn't mean wae can't be civil. there are a lot of things happening in society creating a debate which could end up in civil disobedience and violence in a nature that doesn't help further the dialogue. i helped start an organization called no labels and the effort was to try to bring people together where we have the dialogue. >> the true cause of american political discord is the