we do not know where they are. >> so, who's right? >> well, of course the ambassador's right. you know, the point is it's not even what's happened in the past. here is the problem. what we do know about ungoverned spaces in the middle east is the bad guys do come there. the united states tends to be target number one. so it's quite likely that in the future in one of these ungoverned spaces since we have withdrawn, you are going to get some group of bad guys who are going to have plans to attack america or americans. and here is the problem. we won't be able to use the kurds to do the fighting.