this point. >> i can't imagine why or i absolutely can, and here's the reason why, van. is the platform retaliation? because that's not going to do much for the nation. >> no, it's not. and, you know, kevin mccarthy, i think people sometimes forget he actually used to be a real leader. i'm not just talking about when he stood up against donald trump and called out his role in the ininsurrection. before that kevin mccarthy was a responsible conservative, and then there was a rebellion in his party to his right that pushed him out of the way in favor of someone else becoming speaker of the house, and he stopped being a leader and has now become a follower. he is following the worst elements in his party. he's so afraid that if he doesn't throw out this kind of red meat and this sort of stuff, that he's not going to become speaker. that he's stopped being a leader. he's now a follower, and it's really shocking to see. i know kevin mccarthy.