this point. i can t imagine why or i absolutely can, and here s the reason why, van. is the platform retaliation? because that s not going to do much for the nation. no, it s not. and, you know, kevin mccarthy, i think people sometimes forget he actually used to be a real leader. i m not just talking about when he stood up against donald trump and called out his role in the ininsurrection. before that kevin mccarthy was a responsible conservative, and then there was a rebellion in his party to his right that pushed him out of the way in favor of someone else becoming speaker of the house, and he stopped being a leader and has now become a follower. he is following the worst elements in his party. he s so afraid that if he doesn t throw out this kind of red meat and this sort of stuff, that he s not going to become speaker. that he s stopped being a leader. he s now a follower, and it s really shocking to see. i know kevin mccarthy.
it s like retaliation now is the name of the game. where does that leave us? van jones is here. i m glad to see him. van, how are you doing? i m doing well. but i m very concerned where we re headed as a country at this point. i can t imagine why or i absolutely can, and here s the reason why, van. is the platform retaliation? because that s not going to do much for the nation.