you and ambassador taylor and sondland and at the top sondland said guys, mult very con voes with z and period potus, period, let's talk. and then ambassador taylor 15, 16 minutes later says, gordon and i just spoke, i can brief you, meaning you, ambassador volker, if you and gordon don't connect. approximately one hour later, ambassador taylor said the nightmare is they gave the interview and don't get the security assistance. the russians love it and i quit. and then at the bottom, about five hours later, how do you respond? >> i'm not in the loop. talk monday. >> so you were not in the loop in terms of all of the conversations that ambassador taylor, mr. morrison, ambassador sondland were having? >> yes, that's correct. >> and now ultimately the hold was lifted on september 11th, is that right ambassador volker. >> that is my understanding. >> and mr. morrison, were you aware that prior to september