so i guess i'm skeptical of anybody, of a country who doesn't cooperate and doesn't provide the information for 30 days. and then comes out with a statement and says, oh, by the way, you know, they didn't come through our radar, radar didn't detect them. well, i'm just skeptical after almost 30 days, they make a pronouncement and we're supposed to change our thinking. no, i need a little more than that. >> i told you you were skeptical. you know, as a commercial airline pilot, jim tilmon, i would imagine it's not far fetched to understand how to fly around certain air space, but would an airline pilot know how to avoid radar, is that a military pilot's sort of m.o., to know how to do that? >> the military aircraft have facilities on board to detect when they are being absorbed on radar. it's -- we don't have that in commercial aviation. we don't have anything in the cockpit to let us know whether we have -- are being seen on