us down, kind of a dive. nose down. again, all the alarms that you're getting. bells and whistles warning you you're going way too fast. you're going to overspeed. doubtful they did anything like this. there's the ocean straight ahead. so pull it back. remember, if it really was over an hour and 40 minutes, that deced descent could have been very, very gradual. so what we're saying here is those actions do not indicate emergency. it's not a sharp turn to go to some emergency landing. and it's not necessarily a steep descent to get down for the passengers to breathe. it could have been a slow descent and a gradual turn. that's what the simulator tells us. >> okay. stand by. don't go anywhere, martin. i want to bring our panel back in now to discuss this. mary schiavo, of course, is with us. mark weiss is with us. miles o'brien, steve