mr. goldman, my republican colleagues have suggested there is no direct evidence. is that true? >> no. there is a lot of direct evidence and a lot of the evidence that they say is hearsay is actually not hearsay. >> indeed, it is not true. now i don't want to relive a law school evidence class, instead i would like to go over some examples with you and please tell me if they are direct or indirect evidence. ambassador sondland and mr. volker both testified that on may 23rd, 2019, president trump told him to, quote, talk to rudy about ukraine. is that direct evidence? >> yes, technically. well not technically. but yes. >> thank you. >> and then we have the memorandum of the july 25th call between president trump and president zelensky, is that direct evidence? >> yes. that is. >> so there is direct evidence that president trump asked president zelensky to look into