trump's surrender and for his arraignment, that first court appearance. now, it's possible that trump and his codefendants will never have to show up in person for that first court appearance, because a judge could arraign them virtually or even waive the right to that arraignment. really a big question mark here if that happens. >> thank you so much. so many steps that are about to take place as early as next week. with me now to talk about the trump georgia case, is michael meers, a professor at atlanta's john marshal law school. this is remarkable. while we heard from the fulton county sheriff who says trump will be treated like everybody else, but what we saw in new york and in florida, trump was not subjected to a mugshot or