i'm now speaking as if i was a member of the house, like i was when i voted to impeach bill clinton and obviously i consider it to be really, really, a big deal and if i didn't think that represented a notion that he should be removed i wouldn't tell you that it should move forward. i think it should. >> okay. let me also ask you, then, you know, what we've been hearing out of this white house, pushing the conversation forward, seems like the white house can't keep its story straight about what really happened with the president and this administration's interaction with ukraine when it comes to these it investigations. what do you make of their changing story? >> i think they're trying to figure it out. when you have this guy gordon sondland and text messages between him and the man in charge of the embassy taylor and volker, the spur envoy and one saying, was this a quid pro quo? and then five hours of delay before anybody got back to say, no, no, no. the president told me there