all of this? you know, if this plot begins or ends with giuliani or if someone game him the green light and asked him to lead this effort, how will the answer to that question change the stakes? >> well, that's a great question, aprila. i mean, we know the directives came from washington, and i think we all know just as a matter of common sense that it came from the top, from donald j. trump and the question is how do you believe, and the committee is being very forceful. pushing to speak to all these people and pushing to speak to rudy giuliani and i think that enough people were involved and heard that they will eventually get there. they will eventually learn the scope of this conspiracy, what happened here, who said what and who direct it had at the end. it will take a little bit more time, but i'm getting more confident that we're going to get there an learn that in fact it was a plot driven from the very top from donald j. trump, the former president, to overturn the election. the one who had the most interest in t.talked about it in round about terms and all sorts of ways publicly and seems like