aid. on july 26 president zelensky meets with ambassador sondland and volker, makes no reference to a quid pro quo and a hold on aid. it's not until they read it in politico on august 29 that president zelensky and his team received confirmation that there's a hold on aid. >> i just want to ask you about the front end of that when he's talking about ukrainians never felt pressure, they didn't know the ukraine aid was being held up, do you buy that argument that they didn't feel pressure, that we should take their word for that? >> let's make clear, in july about the time of the july 25 phone call between president trump and president zelensky what the white house was saying is we want investigations in return for a meeting in the oval office of the white house. it was only later on in later -- in august and early september that the white house then began to say that we have to have those investigations if you, president zelensky, want the meeting at the white house and military assistance.