message out in comparison with the chaotic images you were seeing coming from the airport when those are images that stunned even top aides inside the white house who said they did not see that coming, they were not expecting that. they were trying to remind people why the president made this decision. there are still questions about how this drawdown went down. what you're seeing from president biden in this interview is he still is being defiant. that's not surprising. he is still using the same rationale for leaving afghanistan, also not surprising. when he says he can't envision any kind of exit from afghanistan that wasn't chaotic, it stands in contradiction with what he's been saying for the last several months. the white house says the intelligence changes. but president biden had been saying publicly he thought it would be a safe and orderly