pudgy, overweight man. is, i think, what mr. pollack said. he really didn't progress beyond the first level. he's the one that's had mma training of some type. but, anyway, they interacted. they rolled around. and they fought. but, again, you can't just take that in a vacuum. why tdid this occur? what led up to this? and at the time of the shooting, was it necessary to shoot him? well, the defense is going to parade the photographs of the injuri injuries. i don't think i need to show you the one photo that counts, do i? the m.e. photo? who suffered the most serious injury of all?