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that officer murphy showed up and immediately went to the aid of someone who had been shot there right outside the temple. and then the killer turned his gun directly on him, firing eight to nine times at him. and it's really remarkable that he was able to keep his wits about him and as the paramedics arrived, waved the paramedics off and was saying, please, help the people inside the temple first. so a lot of people really appreciating the work that he was doing there. and marveling at the fact that he was able to survive this kind of attack. >> david mattingly reporting live for us this morning. now, a closer look at the gunman who i will killed those six people. in a moment, we'll hear from someone who tracked the suspect for more than ten years. and it was his ties to a white supremacy group and possibly a domestic terror group that also drew the attention of the feds. "the l.a. times" says officials took notice but felt there wasn't enough evidence to open an investigation. his step-mother says his hatred must have boiled up since she lost touch with him. >> i would not know. what has changed him, i have no idea. and obviously, we're never going to know. he had hispanic friends and black friends. you know, there was none of that. i am totally devastated. his father is devastated. we're pretty much in shock. my heart goes out to those people. i'm as devastated for them. >> but page didn't keep his hatred a secret. we told you he was the front man of a white power band. listen to some of the words of one rage-filled song. ♪ what has happened to america ♪ that was once so white and free ♪ ♪ now our mission is overrun ♪ by [ bleep ] and jews and [ bleep ] scum ♪ >> according to "the new york times," page told neighbors he had seen combat after 9/11, and he supposedly had a 9/11 tattoo in honor of those who died in new york's twin towers. the tattoo part may be true, but the combat part is certainly not. chris lawrence is our pentagon correspondent. chris, page was in the service. he did have problems. tell us more. >> yeah, carol. you know, at first glance, nothing really jumps out at you. but as we start digging into his service record a little bit more, you start to see some of these issues. first of all, there was no combat. in fact, by the time terrorists attacked the united states on september 11th, 2001, page had been out of the army for several years. and while he was in the army during the '90s, he was never deployed. he went to several bases around the united states but saw no combat. so that part is not true. he was involved in psychological operations. it has a connotation of a very classified, very secretive, but what we believe page was involved with was more lower-level propaganda. you know, dropping leaflets in foreign countries, things like that. when we -- when you look at his service record and dig a little bit deeper, you can see that he got a general discharge under honorable conditions. it's not as bad as dishonorable, but it basically means the army is saying, look, this isn't working out for us. it's not working out for you. you could separate now and go on your way. what the basis of it was basically was a drinking problem. one of the men that he served with says he got drunk and showed up to formation. that led to him being busted down from a sergeant to a specialist and ultimately separating from the army. >> so chris, were there any racist or violent red flags when he was in the army? >> nothing specifically in his service record. in other words, carol, no incidents. no actions that we know of. but when cnn spoke with his former army buddy, he said, look, he talked a lot about the racial holy war to come. he would complain about minorities a lot. he would talk about the revolution. but this soldier says, you know, it was a lot of talk. and he said that that's all i thought it was. he said -- he was a very smart guy. i didn't agree with his views, but i liked him as a person. and he said, i didn't think it was going to go, you know, as far as actions. and then when you look, carol, i mean, he knew this man back in the '90s. here we are 15 years later, hard to predict anything like this was going to happen so far removed. >> chris lawrence reporting live from the pentagon this morning. in other news, authorities are investigating the cause of a fire that destroyed a mosque in joplin, missouri. the fbi was already investigating a fire there last month that damaged the roof. surveillance video of the july 4th fire showed a man throwing an incendiary device at the mosque. security cameras were destroyed in monday's blaze. in money news, gas prices, i am sure you've noticed, have gone up, way up. the question is why this time? the average price of a regular unleaded gallon of gas today is $3.65. that's an increase of 14 cents from just a week ago. a alison kosik is at the new york stock exchange. tell us why. >> there are a lot of factors, and part of it has to do with something we've been talking a lot about, corn. corn is a key ingredient in ethanol. it makes up about 10% of the fuel you put in your car. now, because the summer's drought has taken out a ton of that corn crop, that's really driven up the cost of ethanol. also, you have to remember it's the peak driving season. kids are out of school. so prices to tend to be higher this time of year. the midwest is feeling the biggest pinch. $3.90 to $4 in michigan, indiana and illinois and mainly because of refinery problems that are hitting output. the good news is that the pipeline there in the midwest that's been shut down in july is expected to reopen today. also some high prices on each of the coasts, but that is the usual suspects there, new york and california, carol. >> alison kosik reporting live from the new york stock exchange. let's talk olympics now because the u.s. women's soccer team is moving on to the gold-medal match after a thrilling come-from-behind victory over canada. alex morgan scored the decider in the 123rd minute last night. oh, but this win came with controversy. zain verjee is in london. the canadians are saying we were robbed. >> reporter: i know. it was so close. i mean, it was really down to the very last few seconds in extra time. and alex morgan clinched it for the united states. the canadians, the neighbors just had it, and then they lost it. but it was such an exciting match. and what this does, carol, it puts the u.s. back into a final with japan. now, they've got a bone to pick here. and the reason is is because the u.s. lost to japan back in the women's world cup final in 2011. so they're looking in amazing shape and they're hoping to get gold. the u.s. women's football/soccer team has got gold in the olympics three times, and they're hoping to make it four. and the final is on thursday in wembley. carol? >> can't wait. let's talk about usain bolt because he's not resting on his 100-meter laurels, no. he's running in the 200-meter, and i'm guessing he won his heat today. >> reporter: yeah, he did. very comfortably. you know, here in london for the next few days, it's basically going to be the bolt show. let's just call it that, okay? he did his heats a little bit earlier today. he did a great job. he says that, you know, don't call me a legend just yet. he said, i want to win the 200 first. then call me a sprinting legend. the thing is what he really wants to do is do something that nobody's ever done before, which is to win back-to-back two golds in two olympics in the men's 200 meters. the only thing he's done is the same thing that carl lewis has done, which is both of them won the 100 meters back to back in two olympics. so he's really trying to make history here. he wants to beat his own world record which is i think like 19.19 seconds. yohan blake from jamaica will be pushing him really hard. he actually beat him in the qualifying heats in jamaica for the olympics. but bolt says this is his favorite race, the 200 meters, and the final's going to happen on thursday. >> oh, i can't wait. awesome. zain verjee reporting live for us from london. american airlines is offering a brand-new service. guess what. you can have your luggage delivered so you don't have to wait at that pesky baggage carousel after your flight. so how much will it cost you? 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♪ now our mission is overrun ♪ by [ bleep ] and jews and [ bleep ] scum ♪ >> apparently i'm hearing he had some sort of record label. does this stuff get wide play? >> yeah, you'd be surprised at how much of this is and how many people listen to it. it's a subculture certainly, the white supremacist movement, but there are many bands and many labels. sometimes they put this out for free and distribute it at schools, if you can believe it. it's used as a recruiting tool for the movement. >> in an interview page says he started another band, his band, called end apathy because it would be, quote, the start towards moving forward. what did he mean by that, do you suppose? >> well, i mean, it sounds particularly ominous now in the wake of the shootings. i mean, there are certain people in the movement who begin to feel like their leadership isn't really doing anything to bring on white revolution. and the band name end apathy sounds like what page was thinking is that it was about time to take action, to maybe become a lone wolf and do something to bring that revolution to fruition. i think that's what the band name means, as we look at what happened the other day. >> page attended a music festival called hammer fest. this festival is held all over the country. like you say, these songs are used to recruit. is this festival used to do that, too? >> yeah, i mean, they really are like lollapaloozas or ozz fests of hate. skinheads come from literally around the world to hammer fests to dance, to be in the mosh pits, to fight. it's a really violent subculture, and it's the number one way skinheads get to know each other and get involved in the movement. they're pretty regular. they happen every few months. >> how many people attend these festivals? >> you know, it depends. it can be in the hundreds in some cases, a little more in others. they're really restricted events. usually you have to know somebody in the movement who's willing to tell you where to go. it's not like these things are advertised in public. and then they give you the coordinates and these venues tend to be on private land. usually a few hundred people at each event. >> they have first amendment rights so i suppose cities can do nothing to keep them out, right? >> yeah, that's right. everybody has the right in the united states to say the horrible things like the end apathy band said, page said. so there's nothing to be done about that. what happens, though, oftentimes is the violence spills over. these people get so enraged, they drink a lot of alcohol. and we've had hate crimes occur after hate music events. and that's a real problem for law enforcement and for all of us. >> your organization kept an eye on page for, what, ten years? did you ever inform authorities of his existence? >> no. i mean, look. we track literally thousands and thousands of extremists. we collect all this kind of data on them from websites and publications. and there are a lot of people in our files that are just like wade page with the tattoos, the connections to skinheads or other extremist groups. it's a relatively rare few who step over the line and perpetrate violence. >> so apparently this guy bought a gun legally. you kept an eye on him. authorities were aware of him. so that kind of brings you to the question, what can you do to stop these kinds of shootings? >> yeah. you're right. this is a really difficult situation because of first amendment protections which we're all proud that we have in this country. it really is nearly impossible for law enforcement other than to keep a wary eye on people who are involved in extremist movements to know when someone's going to step over the line from saying hateful things about other populations into doing something. it's a definitely tricky situation. and i know that the fbi and other law enforcement agencies are constantly concerned about this. we do trainings with law enforcement to make them aware of the potential dangers. but to know when one individual is going to take action is just nearly impossible. >> heidi of the southern poverty law center, thank you so much for joining us this morning. >> thanks for having me. some believe the sikh temple shooting in wisconsin may have been inspired by anti-muslim sentiment. so what can be done about islamophobia in america? 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>> well, they're fighting the death penalty here, carol. the biggest thing that they face, if they go to trial and he's found guilty by a jury, is that he would be put to death. if he pleads guilty to the single count, agrees to a life sentence, he avoids the death penalty. so that's really the only reason that defense lawyers would consider this. of course, the bigger question is why would prosecutors consider it? >> exactly. will it all boil down to what the psychiatrist says on the stand? >> well, it does because it's a two-part proceedings. the first thing is he's got to be found competent to stand trial. and let me tell you something. he's had such severe mental illness that he has not even been able to be brought into a courtroom in recent times. there's been a big fight on the medications that he takes. to be competent to stand trial, you have to understand the proceedings against you and be able to assist your lawyer. if he meets those two tests, even if he has severe mental illness, he can plead guilty. so now today the issue will be, is he competent to stand trial? and if that answer is yes, then at a subsequent time, he can enter a guilty plea if both sides agree. >> but that's tricky. he could have periods of lucidity, right? or he could be receiving medication and be sane in those instances. so how do you parse it out? >> well, you raise some great questions because defense lawyers particularly when they're fighting a death penalty, a lot of times they try to say no, i don't want my client to be medicated because they know if he's medicated, he becomes competent to stand trial. also, you lapse into competency and noncompetency depending upon your mental state. so this is very, very tricky stuff with a severely mentally ill individual. and we're seeing a lot of cases like this lately. i mean, we're going to see it in the colorado massacre case as well with the holmes case as we look at the death penalty and mental illness and the interrelationship between the two. >> i was just going to ask you that. this is a test case for the holmes case, right? >> well, it is because i think it's going to give the public a really good look at how difficult the process is. and you know, the law basically says if you understand the difference between right and wrong and you can control your behavior in any way, you are not insane. and somebody who may suffer from severe mental illness is not legally insane. in this case, in the loughner case, he had researched assassinations. he planned this. he was pulled over by the police. he was quite lucid before the shooting. so you would think prosecutors would be confident that they could prove their case here. but obviously, they're not. they must know that he's having mental problems in jail, and they're afraid that during a long trial, he'll lapse into obvious mental illness and maybe will get a not guilty finding. and this is what lawyers look at, prosecutors and defense attorneys, in evaluating these cases. >> paul callan, thanks, as usual, for your insight. we appreciate it. >> okay. always nice being with you, carol. it took a herculean effort to get nasa's newest rover on mars, and now more amazing pictures. we're going to show you some new photos from the red planet. woue if there was an easier, less-expensive option than using a traditional lawyer? 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"showbiz" correspondent nischelle turner. are there previews of this movie? will you get to see it before it comes out? >> well, i certainly hope so. you know, we usually get to screen movies ahead of time if we do the sit-down interviews with the cast, so i'm definitely pushing for this one, carol. and this is controversial because some people are accusing this film of being a propaganda movie for the obama administration. and critics, including congressman peerter king, were also directing katherine bigelow and her writing partner got inappropriate access to confidential information while she was working on the script. bigelow and screen writer mark bowl are declining comment when they were asked about sources. these attacks were being made before production had even started on the movie. and the release date of december means it's not really going to have any impact on the election, but i am sure that both sides would like to see this film before the election happens. now, according to an interview in "entertainment weekly," the filmmakers insist the movie is not political and that you really don't even see the president on screen. now, bigelow and bowl were the creative forces behind the os r oscar-winning "hurt locker." the expectations for this movie, they expect it to be a contender, too, carol. >> let's talk about that release date. now it's december. was there an earlier release date originally? >> you know, i think it was always around then. you know, when movies are released in november and december, those are the movies that people really look to for the awards season. they're released around that time, and those are the movies that the industry says these are probably the best movies of the year. so releasing it around that time is more so for awards season than to probably release it after the election. >> interesting. okay. let's go to something kind of juicy. elton john versus madonna again. >> yeah. let's lighten this up. the hits just keep on coming with these two, don't they? so here's the latest. elton john was giving an on-camera interview in australia when he just went off. and when i say off, i mean off. he said madonna's career was over. her tour was a disaster. and she looked like, quote, a fairgrounds stripper. yeah, he said that. we did reach out to madonna to see if she had a response to these slams. but, you know, she hasn't gotten back to us yet. madonna did take the high road the last time elton and his camp took shots after "the golden globes." maybe she'll say never mind and i'll do that again. there is a report that elton's team thought these comments were being made off the record. and if you see the tape, yeah, the interview feels a little informal, but elton's been in this game for a long time. i think he knows if you're sitting in front of a camera wearing a microphone like i'm talking to you right now, this is going to be recorded, correct? >> i think so. he's a smart guy, that elton john. and he doesn't like madonna. >> exactly. >> nischelle turner, thank you so much. >> no problem. sharon osbourne tells nbc she quits. nischelle turner will be back to tell us why. who can forget that devastating earthquake that hit japan last year? not many people were prepared, and now we're learning the very same thing could happen here in the united states, and we're not so prepared either. i'm one of six children that my mother raised by herself, and so college was a dream when i was a kid. i didn't know how i was gonna to do it, but i knew i was gonna get that opportunity one day, and that's what happened with university of phoenix. nothing can stop me now. i feel like the sky's the limit with what i can do and what i can accomplish. my name is naphtali bryant and i am a phoenix. visit phoenix.edu to find the program that's right for you. enroll now. you tell us what you want to pay, and we give you a range of coverages to choose from. who is she? that's flobot. she's this new robot we're trying out, mostly for, like, small stuff. wow! look at her go! she's pretty good. she's pretty good. hey, flobot, great job. oops. 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"newsroom" begins right now. good morning. i'm carol costello. new details of heroism. the president of the sikh temple and he died trying to protect his fellow worships and armed only with a butter knife. police say he saved lives by delaying the killer long enough for others to escape. this is brian murphy, the first police officer to arrive on the scene. the gunman was waiting as murphy attended to a victim, the killer walked up and opened fire and even critically wounded, murphy's concern was for other victims. here is cnn's randi kaye. >> i'm taking report of an altercation. 7512 south howell. a lot of noise. i'm unable to get much info but there's a fight and now it's -- >> reporter: minutes after the suspect opened fire, oak creek police lieutenant brian murphy was on the scene and was attending to one of the victims on the ground in the parking lot but before he knew it, the suspected shooter ambushed him. >> he walked around the squadron and was on top of him. so he was kind of down in a fashion down and he took rounds from a person standing up. >> reporter: oak creek police chief john edwards say murphy was shot eight or nine times and wearing a bullet proof neck but a bullet hit him near the neck and throat. while officer lay bleeding the other officers tried to secure the scene unwaware one of their own had been shot. they tried to reach murphy on the radio telling him they heard gunshots asking him to confirm. they heard nothing back. in his 21 years on the force, lieutenant murphy had never been shot before. the 51-year-old officer was recently married and has two stepchildren. he also has a daughter who lives in korea. the suspect still firing and in sight other officers pulled out their rifles and took the fight to them just as the chief says they are trained to do. the suspect shot out of patrol car windshield but after that was shot and killed by one of the officers. the officer who took the suspect down is also a family man with a daughter, a trained marksman similar to a sniper in the military, a 31-year veteran of the force who teaches his sniper skills at the both the united states state department and the fbi. the suspect ka dead but where was lieutenant murphy? his fellow officers weren't sure so they did what they call a par check calling out individual badge numbers over the radio to make sure each officer is okay. >> in this case, they went through everybody and they got responses and when they didn't get a response super murphy, his badge is 62, they called 62 in a few minutes. they said we don't get a response. >> reporter: when they did find lieutenant murphy, he waved them off. the chief says murphy was able to speak and told the others, quote, leave me alone. he wanted other officers to hurry up inside to safe the other victims. >> there is no doubt in my mind that the heroic acttions of our police officers prevented a greater tragedy. >> randi kaye, cnn, oak creek, wisconsin. let's head to oak creek right now. david mattingly is there. how is officer lieutenant murphy this morning? >> reporter: well, the last word we heard from the hospital was that he and the two other wounded in this that were being treated at the hospital, all three are in critical condition. we know he underwent two surgeries and was said to be resting comfortably that came from his boss, the police chief. we are waiting today to see if what his and the others conditions might be upgraded, but the most serious wound that he has was the one two his neck. that's the one they were most concerned about and that is the one that was causing the most trouble. so at this point, it's wait and see, but, at this point, everyone is still listed in critical condition. >> david mattingly reporting live for us this morning. a closer look at the gunman who killed the six people. wade michael page made no secret of his involvement at the white supremacy movement and that did draw the attention of one civil rights organization. the southern poverty law center said they considered page dangerous enough that they tracked him about 12 years. the feds also followed page and his white power punk band end apathy. law enforcement officials took notice but not enough evidence to open a full investigation. here is a sampling of one of page's rage-filled songs. ♪ >> page's former stepmother says his hatred must have boiled up in the decade since she lost touch with him, but an army buddy who knew page before his 1998 discharge says even then, page talked of a racial holy war that was coming. a sign of healing in a small indiana town devastated by a deadly tornado. one of the most memorable images from the twister in henryville last march was a school bus that slammed into this cafe. no one injured when the winds packing up more than 200 miles an hour tossed the empty bus into the empty diner. five months later, crowd came out to celebrate the opening of the diner that has been renamed by owner herman sykes. >> budroe bus stop because the bus rolled in here and stopped! >> in the moments before the tornado struck, sykes had taken his workers and customers to the safety of the basement. ♪ there's no work. just play in grenada this afternoon. a holiday to honor the island's very first olympic medal winner! 19-year-old kirani james took gold last night in the 400 meter race. zain verjee is in london. wow! >> that is exciting for him! >> yeah, exciting. first medal ever for grenada. he comes from a small fishing town and everyone is going nuts. one official put it this way. his winning was more important than christopher columbus landing. that is the significance of this event, it has. what was james has done is end a long string of u.s. victories in the 400 meters and was an accidental winner here, many people are saying but so talented. only 19. he is a student. he also showed a lot of class in the semifinals. i was in the stadium when this happened and when the south african athlete oscar pistorius ran and lost in the semifinals and what kirani james did was take off his name tag and exchange it with him. a class act and a lot of people still talking about that. well done, grenada! >> james is the youngest olympian to win the 400 meters. but there's another winner who is the oldest. so i'm curious. >> he is 34 years old, the 400 meter hurdles and his name is felix sanchez. everybody was moved watching him get moved. take a look at this. he was so emotional. he got the gold. he got it eight years ago. his grandma died when he was competing in the olympics at the time. and he said that he really wanted to run this race for his grandma and even put her name at the bottom of his tag. he just -- he won and so uncontrollable and sobbing away. even though he beat a british athlete and everyone was disappointed about that but the more emotional he got, the more everyone kept cheering him. you know? 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>> i haven't. >> reporter: as the white house, congress, and other politicians debate the issue, some argue the public's attention is focused in the wrong direction. >> my own view is let's get tough on criminals, have tough penalties for the illegal use of weaponry or any other illegal activity that an assailment against another person. >> reporter: dan lothian is in washington. dan, let's talk reality. how likely is it either candidate will actually talk guns in america on the campaign trail? >> reporter: well, look. it's always possible but this is something that could come up on the campaign trail most likely, someone will ask a question in a town hall. the campaign on both sides so far is on the economy and particularly on taxes. each side accusing the other of being better in terms of having the best policy when it comes to taxes for middle class americans. so, again, it could potentially come up, but most likely would be from a question asked. now as for the president, he wants to put together some kind of group at some point made up of law enforcement officials, faith leaders, elected officials to try to make some progress on this issue. but, again, it's unclear whether this is something that would happen in the next few weeks or months. >> dan lothian reporting for us from washington. as you heard from dan, the group mayors against illegal guns is leading the way in the push for tighter gun control laws. one of those mayors is elizabeth tisda tisdale, the mayor in ill loy. welcome, mayor. >> thank you for having me. >> every time one of the tragedies happen, the latest in wisconsin, we talk about gun control and people say you're using this for political purposes and then nothing really changes. >> well, something has to change because not only have there been the incidents, the high profile ones in htucson and in the movi theater and in a house of worship, but already incidents every single day in america. there were people who were firing guns outside st. francis hospital at 5:40 in the afternoon on sunday and they will be in the hospital to be treated for an allergic reaction to medication. a kid got into an argument with another, we think, gang member and when they left the hospital, they were shooting at one another. that is absolutely unacceptable. kids should not have guns. they should argue the way children always have. but not with guns. >> well, the difficulty comes in is what do you do about the guns? for example, the suspect in the wisconsin shooting, he purchased the gun legally. was there a 48-hour waiting period in wisconsin. he waited. he bought the gun. it was legal. how do you stop something like that? >> i would ban guns. i'm radical on the issue. but i understand that hunters want to hunt, but you don't need a handgun and you don't need an assault rifle to hunt bambi. >> but, see, those who are for gun rights, when they hear you say i'm radical, i want to ban guns, that probably means they don't trust anything else you would say on this issue. >> as mayor of evanston, the first homicide that occurred while i was mayor, i knew what to do. i panicked completely. then i thought what would i want if i lived on that block? and i thought i'd want the mayor to come. so i went and i knocked on doors to talk with neighbors about what would make their neighborhood safer and the first door i knocked on, they opened the door just half an inch and when i said i was the mayor, they opened it open sesame and told me what the impact was of foreclosed homes and dragging bodies out of those empty homes and violence coming into their neighborhood. and i visited every single block where a homicide occurred ever since and learned a great deal. and in one house, i was talking with a couple about safety and as i was leaving, i said to their son, i'm your mayor too. i think he was 8 years old. i said, is there anything you want to tell me? and he said, yes. i'm afraid to play outside in the home of the free, where raising children, who are afraid to play outside of their own home. >> i think, you know, most people can empathize with that story but so many guns in the united states right now and so many people own guns and so many criminals have guns, that some feel the only answer is to arm yourselves. then you see stuff like this. this is a video from a jewelry store in garden grove, california. the store owner started shooting at a group of gunmen who intended to rob her. she had a gun and watch these guys run. you know people are thinking, oh, my goodness. if she didn't have a gun, what would have happened in this store? so how do you answer them and say -- that banning guns is the right answer? >> if she didn't have a gun and if the people trying to rob her didn't have a gun, that would have removed guns from the equation. i agree with you, we have a long way to go in this country before we will have guns in the hands of people who responsibly use them and use them to hunt. my son, one of my sons hunts and he certainly does it responsibly and he has never used a gun in any manner except to hunt, but i think that we can get guns out of the hands of people who absolutely are not qualified to have them and we have to start somewhere. we need a plan. >> yeah. someone needs to come up with a plan, right? 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mars was a much wetter planet and much more earth-like back then and they are hoping to see that period in mars' history through those rocks and get an idea of, you know, what went wrong on mars, why it dit turn out the way it is now and why are we the way we are now? one of the main questions. the big question they hope to ask in that crater site where they are, you know, is to try and find out the building blocks of life, looking for water, looking for carbon material. >> right. >> and trying to determine if life was ever possible on mars. we are talking microbial life or perhaps somewhere on mars, it still exists in that form. >> just fascinating. what might be a close second to these pictures, john s a mohawk. i don't know if you've heard. one of the nasa engineers has become famous for his mohawk. >> reporter: i talked to him. i talked with him yesterday. yeah. i talked with him yesterday. >> before you get there, let me show you a picture of this engineer. he was in that room as the mars rover landed. you see him there with this mohawk. he has become this internet sensation. listen. >> i'm getting some extra e-mails that i wasn't expecting and some text from my friends. and then once we had landed and i looked at my phone for real, actually. all of a sudden i see these links to pictures of me on the internet. funny captions and whatever. i woke up this morning and it's mind blowing like this kind of internet celebrity. i had a different kind of color and cut for lunch and this one is for landing. it's a good way of having fun and i think kind of celebrating what an accomplishment this is. >> so he had 120 twitter followers. now he has 33,000! so maybe nasa has found the secret to inspiring young engineers? >> reporter: i talked with him. that sound there is from the interview i did with him yesterday. and, you know, he was just totally aghast. he said he had no idea his hair would go viral like that. i said what about your family, what do they think? oh, they are traveling. i don't think they know yet! many of his family haven't seen his do and he said if they have any spectacular discoveries down the road with this spacecraft he fully intends to come up with some other color schemes for the mohawk for those events and i'm sure the way this mission is likely to go, we're going to see a lot more of his hair in the next couple of years. >> we hope so. john zarrella, thanks so much. we will take a quick break and be back with more. can be such a big thing in an old friend's life. we discovered that by blending enhanced botanical oils into our food, we can help brighten an old dog's mind so he's up to his old tricks. it's just one way purina one is making the world a better place... one pet at a time. discover vibrant maturity and more at purinaone.com. mine hurt more! mine stopped hurting faster... 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>> they had a secret review and they just decided without allowing their board to vote on it that they were going to continue be on gay scouts. i want my eagle badge as long as they were doing that. >> what did your eagle scout status mean? i mean, tell me how special this was for you as a boy scout. >> i joined scouts after i turned 11 and got my eagle when i turned 18 and the biggest day of my life to that point. it was something i was really proud of. i moved around the country. i always brought my badge with me everywhere i moved because it was something i really treasured. >> i think the motto is once an eagle, always an eagle, though, right? >> i think that's the motto, but i'm no longer an eagle. i turned my badge in and i have said that i'm not well to the organization any more so long they continue a policy of discrimination. >> what did they say when you turned your medal in? >> i haven't heard back. i sent a letter and posted it to facebook and a lot of people shared it around and a lot of eagles had been doing that before and have done it since. i haven't heard back yet. the spokesman just keeps sending off the same press release to everybody who asks him about it so i'm not sure what they think. >> were you surprised the boy scouts reaffirmed their policy? religion has always entered into this organization. >> well, religion, yes, but there are a lot of religions that don't believe it's okay to discriminate against gay people. the episcopal church, there my be a gay priest and yet a gay boy can't be in the troop and tying knots with the other scouts. i was surprised they did it especially in the way they did after having just a secret review and then handing this down rather than actually discussing it and allowing it to be an issue that they took seriously. >> i understand that the president of the united states is the honorary president of the boy scouts. that is the tradition along all of our presidents. do you think president obama ought to remain the honorary president of the boy scouts? >> i think he ought to look at it after november. i think bigger issues the country to address right now other than that. i think he and some other politicians who accept awards from the boy scouts should think seriously about. >> do you think many eagle scouts are following your lead? 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