out loud. >> i think mike has been very badly hurt by what took place with respect to january 6th. i think he's been -- i think he's been mortally wounded, frankly, because i see the reaction he's getting from people. >> david, why do sources familiar with david chalian's thinking think this is so notable? >> listen, we know there is no love lost here this year since january 6th between donald trump and mike pence. and trump has been out there sort of questioning, still smarting over the fact that pence didn't go through with his attempted coup plan that trump had depfvised for him that penc followed the constitutional order probably in terms of counting the electoral votes. what i find amazing about this, now donald trump is stepping up this game. he's trying to ensure mike pence doesn't have a political future in the republican party. he is, by saying he's mortally wounded, and by the way, trump's