want to take a step up with the 30,000 foot view of what we've seen with bill taylor and gordon sondland who have roughly 400 years of diplomatic experience between them. what does it show, their level of concern, that they testify to in public yesterday, their level of concern with the actions of the president and administration going forward. >> they both have served democratic and republican presidents. and they've done it to execute u.s. foreign policy. and what they saw here was basically a shadow campaign to pursue political goals running parallel to legitimate u.s. foreign policy. and at one point, bill taylor says that there is no good reason that he saw to withhold the lethal aid to ukraine. and that he also saw that they were -- that it was being withheld for reasons that would benefit president trump politically. george kent testified that he believed giuliani was trying to