thursday or friday, and he wouldn't even sort of dignify the question for if they had a plan because they didn't see signs of a recession. how long have they been baking the payroll cut? >> i don't know about baking, but they were looking at it as an option. there was a white paper drafted. that was one of the options that was discussed. they're looking back at previous recessions like during the h.w. bush years. this is a menu of options we could choose. they so don't want to suggest that anything is not as good as trump says it is. that you're of course seeing his advisers say this is great. and you saw larry kudlow say over the weekend what's wrong with having some optimism? they've gotten used to the president trying to talk his way out of certain things. we'll see if he can do that here. >> we have a new cnn poll out. it shows the president's approval is down to 40% from