who -- who wins here? in court. >> i think trump loses, ultimately. as tim said, we don't have a definitive answer on this question from the courts. but if you look at the purpose of executive privilege, it's designed to protect the institution, not an individual. and there is precedent, by the way, for a current president exercising executive privilege over a prior president, right? i'm sure tim knows 2001, george w. bush was the one who exercised executive privilege over a request for bill clinton, his predecessor's documents but clinton didn't object. but i think the real object here, erin, is get this into courts and gum up the works and to play the delay game. so it's going to be on congress and it's going to be on the courts to act very quickly here. >> all right. thank you, both, very much. and next, this happened today. the president's former chief strategist, steve bannon defied congress, ignoring a subpoena by the select committee. so, what will it take to get bannon to talk? plus, cnn learning tonight that the parents of gabby petito's fiance brian laundrie have not taken a polygraph test