phil was saying, that this is not normal politics, and this is not part of our sort of normal civic discourse in america. this is terrorism. and it's something that we need to deal with in the same way that we would tackle something like isis. >> phil, you know, for the former guy to speak out in favor of the people who broke into the capitol, some of them violently attacking officers, isn't it a slap in the face to law enforcement? i think of all of the officers i've spoken to who defended the capitol that day. to them, i mean, this is betrayal. >> it is. i mean, there's two levels of this. i'm going to make you uncomfortable in a second. the first level is someone who worked in national security for democrats, for republicans. republicans typically are the people who said, we believe in law enforcement and national security. the president, the former president, frump, crossed swords with every military officer he