was it a close call for you? >> it was not a close call at all. after all, the mission of the january 6 select committee is to secure all of the facts around the january 6 insurrection and to move forward. clearly steve bannon is somebody who has information about the planning of and the day of january 6, and he was given an opportunity to present his side of the story to the january 6 committee, and he chose not to. so we are moving forward as we intended to, which is that this committee means business, and nobody is above the law. so we are going to use criminal contempt to respond to his lack of willingness to work with us. >> a quick step of conjecture on bannon, then i want to ask you about what vice chair cheney said. why do you think bannon doesn't just come on and plead the fifth? >> one would think if he has