believe, really believe that biden is corrupt and, remember, that's why he gets hot. that's why he insists we won't cover it because he's trying to convey to you how deeply convicted he is about this. if you believe that, then you will believe that the president had a legit purpose in pressuring ukraine to investigate biden, that it wasn't about political advantage and self-interest. so even holding back money from ukraine if they don't investigate biden is okay. because why would you give money to a country that won't root out corruption? once again, proof of the contrivance is in the copy. just 13 hours after giuliani was on the show saying all of that about biden, the president himself said this. >> it doesn't matter what i discussed, but i will say this, somebody ought to look into joe biden's statement because it was disgraceful. >> statement being biden held