videotape of him saying it was as high as 25%. so, chris, if you or your family went to talk to your doctor and said, look, i have chronic back pain and i want to take an opioid, what's my chance of getting addicted? what you want your doctor to say is, chris, this is a tough decision, we don't know, the science is still out there, maybe you'll get addicted, maybe you won't, but it's as high as 25 to 100%. but that's not what happened here. they lied and said it was zero. and on the pseudo addiction thing, one of the things that j&j funded was a book that came out in oklahoma. they led doctors to believe that if someone came in and said, look, my kid is stealing my prescription drugs and what do i do? if the kid said he was still in pain, they called that pseudo addiction. they told doctors and policy leaders that when you got to things like sex trafficking and prostitution to get your opioids, that might be addiction.