>> david: but the funnest part about the restaurant business, isn't it the cutlery? just this spoon is absolutely gorgeous, you know? fred has a wonderful collection of tableware. without getting, you know, snobby or elitist, you know, the eating off vintage, uh, tableware is one of the great joys out of life. >> anthony: well, this is the interesting paradox of you guys. on one hand, you aspire to run a democratic establishment, open to all. and yet you are hopeless romantics when it comes to -- >> fred: painful nostalgics. >> anthony: the art of living. right? >> fred: yeah. >> anthony: what the [ bleep ]? sustenance is required. holy [ bleep ]. look at this. like, say, a consommé of oxtail to begin. followed perhaps by a chilled lobster a la parisienne? >> david: the art of dining is kind of disappearing, much to our chagrin. i work super hard at being an excellent dining companion. >> anthony: when seeking excellence in a dining companion, what qualities does one look for? >> david: i turn my phone off. i -- you know, i never put my