lots of men with guns questioning us. it took many hours, but we were able to make it. what i'm saying very clearly, it is those rebels who are calling shots and determining what is taking place here, even if it is only limited action so far, anderson. >> phil, do you know what piece of the aircraft that is you're in front of? can you tell? >> it is difficult to tell with great accuracy but it is clearly part of the fuse lodge. it appears to be a fairly narrow section and indeed a tapering section. so logically, i think that would suggest some section towards the tail of the aircraft, but it is substantial and next to it there is another big piece, as well. the interesting thing to note is that if you -- we'll just show it to you more closely. we'll zoom in so you can see it, zoom in carefully i have to say because there is so much here we can't show you. we can't point the camera in various directions because of what we are surrounded by. but the interesting thing to