so if it's not there, the baby may not be able to survive without the mother in this case. >> so charles, should the condition of the fetus, should it matter in this case? >> well, i don't think that is the determining factor here. i think there's something very disturbing, almost an abomination if in fact the mother is, in fact, dead. to grow a fetus in a dead body is a very strange concept, and to have the hospital either acting in that capacity or have statutes written so it can be ambiguous as to whether or not this is what the hospital should do in this case. we have to think about this philosophically. when you grow -- when you're growing a fetus, whenever you consider it to become a baby, in a dead body, it is a very strange thing for anyone to be -- >> one at a time. >> i think the facts do matter