when she had those audiences with the outgoing prime minister boris johnson and then invited the new prime minister, liz truss, to form a government. and i canjust see now in the background the hearse and other vehicles almost at the gates of balmoral. he came here at the start of the summer holidays, but leaves now for the final time. so, that was... it is difficult to sum up, isn't it, really, seeing the queen's coffin for the first time. i began by saying that so many people have said to me that this didn't seem quite real. and i know that people in local towns will be lining up people in local towns will be lining up to pay their respects. as we came here this morning, we saw cars parked in lanes, trying to catch a glimpse, trying to find a position to catch a glimpse of the queen's coffin, because this was a place which meant so much to her, and it's very clear talking to local people in ballater and the surrounding area how much she meant to them, the shop windows filled with pictures and recollections of the queen, so many people gathering in the town, thousands and thousands of them over the last couple of days, making their way from ballater and other surrounding towns to come here to lay flowers, to read messages, to spend a quiet moment. yet so many of them saying it didn't seem quite real. i think seeing the coffin begin this very solemn journey certainly makes it real. and we are now showing you images of ballater, which i've been talking about, the closest town to balmoral castle. the queen has been there on a number of occasions during her reign, other members of the royal family perhaps even more frequently than her, but they see themselves very much as the royal family's town of the people of ballater, and there are many people lined up there today to wait for the queen's coffin passing through, to catch that glimpse of this final journey for the queen through this place that she loved so well. the place that she loved so well. the place that she loved so well. the place that i heard also that the king is very passionate about. i mentioned the floods in ballater and the huge damage they caused and i was told a story about how an elderly lady was told by her insurance company that it would be weeks before anyone could come to assess her property, and she was very distressed, and the minister at the church was giving prince charles, now king charles, regular updates on the situation in the town, and he then received a call from buckingham palace saying that the queen would also like an update. he spoke to the queen and the queen said to him, if it will help to mention my name, because i don't want to see people suffering unnecessarily. and i thought that was a wonderful little anecdote to illustrate just how much she cared about this place. so we can see these shots now from our helicopter of the hearse carrying queen elizabeth's coffin. making its way to ballater. and then the journey eventually to edinburgh, royal officials say that they want everything that happens in the next few days to reflect the dignity of the queen's reign and also to allow people a proper opportunity to witness history, to witness her coffin passing by their areas. once the coffin is moved through ballater, it will take the a 93 towards aberdeen, before turning south and crossing the king george v bridge. named of course after the queens father and then on to the outskirts of dundee. and then to the royal mile in edinburgh. before reaching the palace of holyroodhouse and laying addressed there until tomorrow, monday, when the coffin will be taken to st giles�* cathedral in edinburgh. —— laying in rest. the coffin will remain there until tuesday. before, accompanied by the princess royal, princess anne, it will be flown to london. more police vehicles, other service vehicles, and members of the royal household leaving now. in total, we are told a large number of vehicles in this procession making its way finally to edinburgh. obviously a huge amount of security, but some of that following at a discreet distance from those initial vehicles. the hearse, of course, and then the car carrying princess anne and her husband vice admiral tim lawrence. we believe that the other members of the royal family, who have been here over the last few days, remain at balmoral. so we have the air and cassettes of wessex, edward and sophie, their daughter, lady louise, prince andrew, his daughters princess eugenie and princess beatrice. among those still here and of course those close members of staff, many of whom have served the queen for decades. we are hearing this morning that they are naturally deeply, deeply upset at this final parting for the queen from the place that she loved so well and i willjust repeat if i may that anecdote, that description rather, that the reverend david barr from the church in ballater told me yesterday, my conversation with him, because i thought it some don�*t really why the queen love this place so much, she said metaphorically she could hang her crown on the main gates she came in and said she could be a mum, wife, and later grandmother, great—grandmother, and totally relaxed whilst she was here. although i think it�*s also important to reflect that those last images we saw the queen five days ago, tuesday, where of her carrying out her duties. she has been praised for her duties. she has been praised for her sense of service, his sense of duty, those are the sorts of phrases i have heard from people i�*ve been talking to. people have been coming to lay flowers and leave messages and she was carrying out her duties right until the very end. and, although, logically, we knew that she was frail, that there were concerns about her health, and logically we knew that this moment would be in the nearfuture, it was nonetheless a surprise, wasn�*t it, given that we had seen those photos just on tuesday, to hear the news on thursday of the concerns for her health, those concerns are growing as members of the royal family rushed to be here? and now, today, sunday, the queen leaving balmoral castle for her final journey. sunday, the queen leaving balmoral castle for her finaljourney. back to you. studio: annita, very many thanks. and watching these images with me here in the studio. with me here in the studio is the historian robert lacey, my colleague from bbc scotland presenter martin guissler, . martin, just a thought about what we are watching and the areas that this convoy, the areas the queen�*s coffin is going to be passing through? coffin is going to be passing throu~h? ~ ., coffin is going to be passing throu~h? ~ . ., ., . through? well, what we are watching is a really sad — through? well, what we are watching is a really sad and _ through? well, what we are watching is a really sad and sombre _ through? well, what we are watching is a really sad and sombre last - is a really sad and sombre last journey, finality is the word here, isn�*t it? we�*ve just seen the convoy, the queen passing through the gates of balmoral for the last time, place she known her whole life and loved more deeply than any other place on earth. what annita is talking about, the links between the royal family and this area, they run deeply. we keep hearing about it because it�*s true. princess anne got married to vice admiral tim lawrence in crathie kirk, the place wejust passed. the royal family worship there back to the days of queen victoria. prince charles, king charles, rather, we are about to just see ballater, it�*s birkhall, the house on the balmoral estate that was left to king charles by the queen mother, where he spent many happy times. he proposed to camilla, the queen consort there. they spent their honeymoon there. this is not a place they happen to go to for a few weeks a year but a place they choose to go to for big moments in their lives and, because it�*s a lovely expression, the queen could hang her crown on the gates of balmoral, and effectively take off her shoes and get on with being a person, rather than a monarch, that�*s why. the route we are going to see the convoy take, effectively, traces the route of the river dee until aberdeen, about a0 odd miles to the outskirts of aberdeen and passes to half a dozen or more deeside towns. we will see ballater shortly. until it gets to effectively suburbs of aberdeen itself. there is a more direct route that the convey could have taken to edinburgh, they could have gone through the glens, beautiful spectacular scenery, great climbing territory the royals would have known so well in the summer, and skiing country in the winter, but the problem with that route is ballater is more direct. they�*ve chosen this route because it will take them through cities, aberdeen, dundee, the outskirts of perth, and then down through fife, the kingdom of fife, and over the queensferry crossing, which the queen opened five years ago and then into edinburgh itself, so it�*s a longer route but it will give people a chance, as we can see them coming into ballater, to pay their respects, and judging by these early pictures we are seeing, the first communities they are passing through, they are certainly coming out in good number.— out in good number. absolutely, let's talk about _ out in good number. absolutely, let's talk about that, _ out in good number. absolutely, let's talk about that, because . out in good number. absolutely, | let's talk about that, because this let�*s talk about that, because this chosen path, to allow people in certain areas along the route to gather, local councils have been telling people where they can stand, explaining how they can stand and pay their respects and you are nodding too, and what strikes us immediately, let�*s talk briefly to rachel bell, who is in ballater itself. from the vantage points we have, rachel, it certainly looks as if a lot of people have come out this morning. you can explain for us what the mood there is in ballater, a place that knows the royal family so well and what�*s happening there. yes, people have been lining the streets since very early this morning, putting chairs out so they have the best spot to view the queens hearse as it passes by. this has already been said, this is a community which is eight miles down the road from balmoral, which has had such close connections to the royal family. hundreds of people lining the streets here at ballater. ready to watch the hearse as it comes into view. it will shortly be arriving in the main street of ballater. it will travel past ballater�*s old railway station, the closest station to the wild residence, the queen used it many times when she was much younger on herjourney to balmoral. before its closure in 1966. the royal family in particular the princes foundation initiated its restoration after it was all but destroyed by fire in 2015. there�*s lots of people here at the moment, but it�*s very quiet, as everyone waits. at ten o�*clock, the church you can hopefully see rang out its bells and, since then, there has been a very sombre, respectful feeling here in ballater. remember, this is a community which knows the queen. you know, for some here today, this is the opportunity for them to say goodbye to a neighbour. that�*s the phrase we have heard over and over again this week. as we have been reporting from royal deeside. rachel, let�*sjust pause been reporting from royal deeside. rachel, let�*s just pause a moment if we can, as the coffin comes through, because i�*m struck that you have noticed how very quiet it is there. let�*s just pause and see that moment. and is the coffin passes through the town of ballater, a town the royal family knows so well, the townspeople who know the royal family, we noticed one thing, don�*t we, absolute silence. the bbc�*s martin geissler is with me, and that scene in itself, martin, so striking. absolutely. ballater was — martin, so striking. absolutely. ballater was always _ martin, so striking. absolutely. ballater was always going - martin, so striking. absolutely. ballater was always going to i martin, so striking. absolutely. i ballater was always going to turn out in numberfor this ballater was always going to turn out in number for this journey, ballater was always going to turn out in numberfor thisjourney, to say it�*s farewells, because, a lot is made of this relationship between the royal family, and the people of royal deeside, and its fierce, when you�*re in that part of the country, the passion and the level of protection that the people there offered the royal family, it was very much a two—way relationship, because the royals obviously appreciated that protection, the people there saw so much more than they said. and if you spend any time “p they said. and if you spend any time up there, i was fascinated by the level of exposure there was, whenever i am up there, you say, do really see them hanging about? they say, yes, we don�*t bat an eyelid. camilla, the queen consort, regularly in the toyshop picking up toys for her grandchildren, that kind of thing. if somebody loves the place that you live, then you take a pride in that and you welcome then. so, there was this really genuine and strong bond between them, every other shop in ballater has a royal crest. i think i heard at one point, some of them were bestowed by the queen mother and may have lapsed, but they are not in any great rush to take them down. but this connection is really strong and it goes on right through deeside. find goes on right through deeside. and so lovely and so important to think that that connection exists. whatever one�*s view of the royal family, they are in a goldfish bowl, thatis family, they are in a goldfish bowl, that is just one of the few places, or this area that you�*re describing, as you suggest, is somewhere they can be a little more approaching some form of normality, as close as they can never get. doing what they like to do, away from any prying eyes, getting up into the hills, picnicking, fishing, walking. there is a mountainjust behind picnicking, fishing, walking. there is a mountain just behind the castle at balmoral, it is a wonderful walk, and it was so important to king charles iii, he wrote a book about it, a children�*s book, it was a story that he had first told to his younger brothers when they were younger brothers when they were young children, about the old man, an old man who lived in the cliffs just below the peak. from memory i think it was about him being frustrated that he couldn�*t have a proper bath and then eventually trying to do so and burning down the hillside! but many people you bump into in deeside will tell you they have been on the mountain, and they hear a bark, then there is a headscarf... but they give the royal family there space. and being in the area a matter of months ago, and experiencing exactly that scene. perhaps within the last year, let�*s say. and they said, the queen was driving herself.— driving herself. exactly. and there are lovely stories _ driving herself. exactly. and there are lovely stories of _ driving herself. exactly. and there are lovely stories of her _ driving herself. exactly. and there are lovely stories of her picking i driving herself. exactly. and therej are lovely stories of her picking up walkers in rainstorms on the mountaintop in her land rover. there is a fantastic story which has been told many times over recent days by one of her protection officers, an american couple who were fascinated by the queen living there, who were picked up by the queen but didn�*t recognise her. they said, how long have you lived here? she said, well, i have been coming here 80 years, i�*ve got a little holiday house over the hill. they said, you must have met the queen. she said, well, i haven�*t, but he has, pointing to her protection officer. find haven't, but he has, pointing to her protection officer.— protection officer. and as we see another beautiful _ protection officer. and as we see another beautiful shot _ protection officer. and as we see another beautiful shot of - protection officer. and as we see another beautiful shot of this - another beautiful shot of this remarkable landscape, we should remember that people are watching this notjust in the uk but around the world, though there might be people seeing these images, and it is a reminder, if any of us need it, ofjust how beautiful this landscape is. i appreciate that is not the only reason they love deeside, but it is a country beating factor, it is absolutely stunning. it is the reason i think— is absolutely stunning. it is the reason i think queen _ is absolutely stunning. it is the reason i think queen victoria i is absolutely stunning. it is the i reason i think queen victoria fell in love with deeside and bought balmoral, because it is absolutely bewitching beautiful, even the river itself, the river dee, just smooth, almost silky, oily, fast flowing salmon river, that gives you fantastic fishing, butjust looks, fantastic fishing, but just looks, with fantastic fishing, butjust looks, with the trees on the banks, the way it is laid out, the way it winds through that part of the world, just looks beautiful. it is a bewitching part of the country. you can�*t go there and not fall in love with it and on a day like today when we look at these pictures, with the sun shining, the start of autumn, a chill in the air, you don�*t get that green without having a lot of rain, but on days like today, it really is majestic. i but on days like today, it really is ma'estic. ~ �* , , majestic. i think it's very interesting _ majestic. i think it's very interesting that - majestic. i think it's very interesting that of - majestic. i think it's very interesting that of the i majestic. i think it's very i interesting that of the last majestic. i think it's very - interesting that of the last four monarchs to die in modern times, only one _ monarchs to die in modern times, only one of— monarchs to die in modern times, only one of them died in london. this love — only one of them died in london. this love of— only one of them died in london. this love of the british countryside, it is a tradition in the royal— countryside, it is a tradition in the royal family. the queen in fact is the _ the royal family. the queen in fact is the first— the royal family. the queen in fact is the first monarch in modern times to die _ is the first monarch in modern times to die in _ is the first monarch in modern times to die in scotland, but her father and grandfather died in sandringham, and grandfather died in sandringham, and queen— and grandfather died in sandringham, and queen victoria died actually on the isle _ and queen victoria died actually on the isle of— and queen victoria died actually on the isle of wight, where she loved spending — the isle of wight, where she loved spending so much time. and what is interesting, — spending so much time. and what is interesting, back in those days, they— interesting, back in those days, they hadn't really thought out the idea that — they hadn't really thought out the idea that the people would want to take part _ idea that the people would want to take part in what had happened, the coffin— take part in what had happened, the coffin was— take part in what had happened, the coffin was put on a warship that was brought— coffin was put on a warship that was brought to _ coffin was put on a warship that was brought to southampton, then it was whisked _ brought to southampton, then it was whisked up _ brought to southampton, then it was whisked up by train to waterloo, and across— whisked up by train to waterloo, and across london to paddington, and onto windsor. so it was only between those _ onto windsor. so it was only between those two _ onto windsor. so it was only between those two london railway stations that people got a chance to pay their— that people got a chance to pay their respects. of course, they came later for— their respects. of course, they came later for the — their respects. of course, they came later for the lying in state and the funeral _ later for the lying in state and the funeral. but what we are watching here is _ funeral. but what we are watching here is a _ funeral. but what we are watching here is a modern ritual. a folk ritual. — here is a modern ritual. a folk ritual. too, _ here is a modern ritual. a folk ritual, too, which has developed out of what _ ritual, too, which has developed out of what you're talking about, people's _ of what you're talking about, people's sorrow but also love and respect _ people's sorrow but also love and respect for — people's sorrow but also love and respect for the queen. i heard somebody say they wanted to be a witness _ somebody say they wanted to be a witness to — somebody say they wanted to be a witness to history, i think people want _ witness to history, i think people want to— witness to history, i think people want to be — witness to history, i think people want to be part of history, that is the sensation. grandparents bringing their children before school, so that they — their children before school, so that they will remember this, it will be — that they will remember this, it will be part of their lives. certainly, a lot of the people i spoke to at buckingham palace on friday, there was a lot of that, you saw generations of families, because they wanted the children and grandchildren to remember this turn in history, an extraordinary moment for the whole nation, for the commonwealth, after such longevity on the throne. and robert lacey, those are some of the things that you and i will have time to talk about over the course of the day, while we are still very much following the queen�*s coffin at the start of its finaljourney, that in itself is something quite hard for all of us to say and think about. i also want to bring in from hamilton, professor sir tom devine, who has written extensively, many, many books about scottish history, right from the 16th to the 20th century, sir, thank you for being without here on the bbc as well this morning, and as someone with unrivalled knowledge of scottish history, i am interested first of all, what is going through your mind as we watch the queen�*s coffin on its final journey? as we watch the queen�*s coffin on its finaljourney? i as we watch the queen's coffin on its finaljourney?— its final “ourney? i would like to sa its finaljourney? i would like to sa first its finaljourney? i would like to say first of— its finaljourney? i would like to say first of all _ its finaljourney? i would like to say first of all how _ its finaljourney? i would like to say first of all how honoured - its finaljourney? i would like to say first of all how honoured i i its finaljourney? i would like to i say first of all how honoured i too be able _ say first of all how honoured i too be able to — say first of all how honoured i too be able to speak to you on this both sombre _ be able to speak to you on this both sombre but — be able to speak to you on this both sombre but also historic day, and your— sombre but also historic day, and your viewers of course as well. my feelings _ your viewers of course as well. my feelings are — your viewers of course as well. my feelings are twofold. first of all, like most — feelings are twofold. first of all, like most people, deep sadness, the poignant _ like most people, deep sadness, the poignant views of the final departure from the home she loved most, _ departure from the home she loved most, but _ departure from the home she loved most, but at the same time, a recognition _ most, but at the same time, a recognition and a sense of pride, i think— recognition and a sense of pride, i think shared by a number of people, that the _ think shared by a number of people, that the job — think shared by a number of people, that the job she did and promised to do at _ that the job she did and promised to do at her— that the job she did and promised to do at her coronation in 1953 has been _ do at her coronation in 1953 has been done, _ do at her coronation in 1953 has been done, and accomplished in a truly— been done, and accomplished in a truly unsurpassed way. so, there is a kind _ truly unsurpassed way. so, there is a kind of— truly unsurpassed way. so, there is a kind of duality in my feelings, a 'ob a kind of duality in my feelings, a job well— a kind of duality in my feelings, a job well done, the end of a wonderful life of service, but at the same — wonderful life of service, but at the same time, especially seeing that vision— the same time, especially seeing that vision of the departure of the hearse, _ that vision of the departure of the hearse, which i presume is covered in the _ hearse, which i presume is covered in the royal— hearse, which i presume is covered in the royal standard of scotland, slight _ in the royal standard of scotland, slight sense of, if not more than a slight _ slight sense of, if not more than a slight sense, of personal emotion. and sad _ slight sense, of personal emotion. and sad and poignant as today is, would you say it is fair to say that there is something fitting, beautiful, almost, about the fact that her majesty spent her last days and weeks in the place she loved so much? {th and weeks in the place she loved so much? . ., , and weeks in the place she loved so much? .., , �* and weeks in the place she loved so much? _, , �* ,, much? of course. but i think there is a wider aspect _ much? of course. but i think there is a wider aspect to _ much? of course. but i think there is a wider aspect to this. _ much? of course. but i think there is a wider aspect to this. there - much? of course. but i think there is a wider aspect to this. there has been _ is a wider aspect to this. there has been a _ is a wider aspect to this. there has been a focus — is a wider aspect to this. there has been a focus on balmoral rightly since _ been a focus on balmoral rightly since the — been a focus on balmoral rightly since the beginning of your programme, but remember, the queen and her— programme, but remember, the queen and her late _ programme, but remember, the queen and her late husband had a remarkable affection for the scottish nation as a whole. as she put it— scottish nation as a whole. as she put it the — scottish nation as a whole. as she put it the last time she addressed the scottish parliament in edinburgh, she referred to this wonderful country, namely scotland, which _ wonderful country, namely scotland, which she _ wonderful country, namely scotland, which she and her husband loved so well, _ which she and her husband loved so well with— which she and her husband loved so well, with the affection. and given the lineage of elizabeth ii, going i’ilht the lineage of elizabeth ii, going right back in blood to the mediaeval days of— right back in blood to the mediaeval days of king robert the bruce, who scotland's — days of king robert the bruce, who scotland's patriot king, ironically enough _ scotland's patriot king, ironically enough resisting the english invasion— enough resisting the english invasion and takeover of scotland and preserving scottish identity and independence during the wars of independence, that is one of the nrany_ independence, that is one of the many reasons why she had such a love of nry— many reasons why she had such a love of my country. and many reasons why she had such a love of my country-— many reasons why she had such a love of my country. and yes, we remember erha -s of my country. and yes, we remember perhaps her— of my country. and yes, we remember perhaps her saying _ of my country. and yes, we remember perhaps her saying that _ of my country. and yes, we remember perhaps her saying that to _ of my country. and yes, we remember perhaps her saying that to the - perhaps her saying that to the scottish parliament, and people will remember that at the time. as you are only with us for a relatively short time this morning, i do want to ask for your personal experience of that, because, of course, am i right in saying you received your knighthood from her, and that was for services to scottish history, i wonder how much of your perhaps brief conversation that you would have had with her then, how much of that you feel able to share with us? well, that was, looking back now, that was— well, that was, looking back now, that was a — well, that was, looking back now, that was a very poignant moment. she dubbed _ that was a very poignant moment. she dubbed me _ that was a very poignant moment. she dubbed me as a knight of the realm with the _ dubbed me as a knight of the realm with the sword of her father, king george _ with the sword of her father, king george vi — with the sword of her father, king george vi on one shoulder, and then the other, _ george vi on one shoulder, and then the other, and then i stood up, she shook— the other, and then i stood up, she shook hands, and she had a few words with me. _ shook hands, and she had a few words with me. and — shook hands, and she had a few words with me, and she said, and i have never— with me, and she said, and i have never revealed this until her death, she said _ never revealed this until her death, she said that it gave her great pleasure — she said that it gave her great pleasure to give this honour to an historian — pleasure to give this honour to an historian and a scholar for his services, _ historian and a scholar for his services, and she raised her voice, and with— services, and she raised her voice, and with great emphasis, said, for services _ and with great emphasis, said, for services to— and with great emphasis, said, for services to the history of scotland. beautiful _ services to the history of scotland. beautiful and very striking that she raised her voice as you are describing. i am raised her voice as you are describing. iam interested raised her voice as you are describing. i am interested as to whether you feel that that passion, that love, will continue with the next generation,, and beyond? no doubt about it. i know that charles— no doubt about it. i know that charles has not only read books on the history— charles has not only read books on the history of scotland, but has also read — the history of scotland, but has also read some of my own. i remember when _ also read some of my own. i remember when his— also read some of my own. i remember when his father was presented with a new edition— when his father was presented with a new edition of one of my books, which _ new edition of one of my books, which he — new edition of one of my books, which he said come with a great sense _ which he said come with a great sense of— which he said come with a great sense of humour, he put his hands on his head _ sense of humour, he put his hands on his head and — sense of humour, he put his hands on his head and said, "oh my god, not this again?"~ — his head and said, "oh my god, not this again?". it's ok, there's only two additional chapters. thank god for that! _ two additional chapters. thank god for that! as you said earlier on your— for that! as you said earlier on your programme, the former prince of wales— your programme, the former prince of wales has— your programme, the former prince of wales has long had a connection to the area _ wales has long had a connection to the area that we have been talking about _ the area that we have been talking about this — the area that we have been talking about this morning, in scotland. and i about this morning, in scotland. and i have _ about this morning, in scotland. and i have absolutely no doubt that the strong _ i have absolutely no doubt that the strong connection between royalty and most — strong connection between royalty and most importantly the scottish nation _ and most importantly the scottish nation as— and most importantly the scottish nation as a — and most importantly the scottish nation as a whole, will be maintained by him almost instinctively, it simply part of his mindset, — instinctively, it simply part of his mindset, because of the way he's been _ mindset, because of the way he's been brought up and the interest he has long _ been brought up and the interest he has long had in scotland and indeed in scotland's history and contribution to great britain. and i've contribution to great britain. and we often— contribution to great britain. and i've often thought over the last few years. _ i've often thought over the last few years. how — i've often thought over the last few years, how the deep respect that the royal— years, how the deep respect that the royal family have for scotland unfortunately has been somewhat different — unfortunately has been somewhat different from that of recent governments in the uk, and i think that's— governments in the uk, and i think that's one — governments in the uk, and i think that's one of the reasons why, in these _ that's one of the reasons why, in these sad — that's one of the reasons why, in these sad days, the scottish people, these sad days, the scottish people, the citizens of scotland, are going to great _ the citizens of scotland, are going to great lengths to mark the passing of the _ to great lengths to mark the passing of the queen. she never had any doubt _ of the queen. she never had any doubt that— of the queen. she never had any doubt that scotland was and is an historic— doubt that scotland was and is an historic nation and is part of great britain _ historic nation and is part of great britain. �* . , historic nation and is part of great britain. �* .,, ., historic nation and is part of great britain. �* ., , ., britain. and as part of great britain, which _ britain. and as part of great britain, which reminds- britain. and as part of great britain, which reminds us. britain. and as part of great - britain, which reminds us inevitably of the very, very few brief words that the queen alluded to, the scottish independence referendum, a few years ago. was that a deliberate statement in your mind? i few years ago. was that a deliberate statement in your mind?— statement in your mind? i think it's been blown — statement in your mind? i think it's been blown pp _ statement in your mind? i think it's been blown up to _ statement in your mind? i think it's been blown up to some _ statement in your mind? i think it's been blown up to some extent. - been blown up to some extent. although — been blown up to some extent. although the very fact that she had to my— although the very fact that she had to my knowledge, mentioned something of significant historical and important political importance, i think— important political importance, i think must have been planned, because — think must have been planned, because she would no about that information, those words, although information, those words, although in a sense _ information, those words, although in a sense you could say they were neutral— in a sense you could say they were neutral words, in a sense you could say they were neutralwords, it in a sense you could say they were neutral words, it would get out into the public— neutral words, it would get out into the public domain very, very quickly _ the public domain very, very quickly i_ the public domain very, very quickly. i do think that if the independence referendum had gone to yes, despite the fact the scottish national— yes, despite the fact the scottish national party intends to retain the monarchy, — national party intends to retain the monarchy, if independence ever occurs. — monarchy, if independence ever occurs. i— monarchy, if independence ever occurs, i stillthink monarchy, if independence ever occurs, i still think she would have felt a _ occurs, i still think she would have felt a deep — occurs, i still think she would have felt a deep wrench at the terrible loosening — felt a deep wrench at the terrible loosening of the bonds with one of the four— loosening of the bonds with one of the four nations of the united kingdom. the four nations of the united kinudom. , , , , kingdom. yes, very, very interesting to hearyour— kingdom. yes, very, very interesting to hear your perspective _ kingdom. yes, very, very interesting to hear your perspective on - kingdom. yes, very, very interesting to hear your perspective on that. - to hear your perspective on that. martin, you�*ve had a thought on that? martin, you've had a thought on that? ~ , ., �* , martin, you've had a thought on that? . y . �* , ., that? well, yeah, there's an argument — that? well, yeah, there's an argument both _ that? well, yeah, there's an argument both ways - that? well, yeah, there's an argument both ways for - that? well, yeah, there's an| argument both ways for what that? well, yeah, there's an - argument both ways for what the queen said. when she went into crathie kirk, just on the eve of the referendum, she said i hope the people of scotland think very carefully about their future. there was a story i think the editor of the financial times who suggested he had been briefed on a lunch with prince andrew a few days before that something might be said, so there was a suggestion there were some choreography about this, but it�*s also been argued both ways by the royal household at the time that actually come if you analyse that statement, there is nothing in it. it doesn�*t fall on either side of the divide. think very carefully about your future, it simply guidance about don�*t do it without giving it proper forethought but, inevitably, it was... the giving it proper forethought but, inevitably, it was. . .— giving it proper forethought but, inevitably, it was... the queen was a master at — inevitably, it was... the queen was a master at putting _ inevitably, it was... the queen was a master at putting meaning - inevitably, it was... the queen was a master at putting meaning into i a master at putting meaning into words _ a master at putting meaning into words and — a master at putting meaning into words and then _ a master at putting meaning into words and then you _ a master at putting meaning into words and then you look - a master at putting meaning into words and then you look at - a master at putting meaning into words and then you look at the l a master at putting meaning into- words and then you look at the words afterwards— words and then you look at the words afterwards and — words and then you look at the words afterwards and you _ words and then you look at the words afterwards and you wonder— words and then you look at the words afterwards and you wonder where - words and then you look at the words afterwards and you wonder where the meaning _ afterwards and you wonder where the meaning was — afterwards and you wonder where the meaning was i— afterwards and you wonder where the meaning was. i mean, _ afterwards and you wonder where the meaning was. i mean, that— afterwards and you wonder where the meaning was. i mean, that was- afterwards and you wonder where the meaning was. i mean, that was the l meaning was. i mean, that was the essence _ meaning was. i mean, that was the essence of— meaning was. i mean, that was the essence of her— meaning was. i mean, that was the essence of her skill— meaning was. i mean, that was the essence of her skill as _ meaning was. i mean, that was the essence of her skill as a _ essence of her skill as a constitutional— essence of her skill as a constitutional monarch, j essence of her skill as a - constitutional monarch, but i do think— constitutional monarch, but i do think it — constitutional monarch, but i do think it significant _ constitutional monarch, but i do think it significant that, - constitutional monarch, but i do think it significant that, with - constitutional monarch, but i do| think it significant that, with this extraordinary— think it significant that, with this extraordinary discrete _ think it significant that, with this extraordinary discrete sovereign| think it significant that, with this - extraordinary discrete sovereign who took a _ extraordinary discrete sovereign who took a point — extraordinary discrete sovereign who took a point of— extraordinary discrete sovereign who took a point of neutrality— extraordinary discrete sovereign who took a point of neutrality so - took a point of neutrality so seriously, _ took a point of neutrality so seriously, just _ took a point of neutrality so seriously, just about - took a point of neutrality so seriously, just about the . took a point of neutrality so i seriously, just about the only stories— seriously, just about the only stories we've _ seriously, just about the only stories we've got _ seriously, just about the only stories we've got about - seriously, just about the only stories we've got about here i stories we've got about here straying _ stories we've got about here straying from _ stories we've got about here straying from total - stories we've got about here | straying from total discretion involves _ straying from total discretion involves scotland _ straying from total discretion involves scotland and - straying from total discretion involves scotland and her- straying from total discretion - involves scotland and her affection for scotland — involves scotland and her affection for scotland and, _ involves scotland and her affection for scotland and, of _ involves scotland and her affection for scotland and, of course, - involves scotland and her affection for scotland and, of course, as - involves scotland and her affectionl for scotland and, of course, as well as her— for scotland and, of course, as well as her remark— for scotland and, of course, as well as her remark before _ for scotland and, of course, as well as her remark before the _ for scotland and, of course, as well. as her remark before the referendum, david _ as her remark before the referendum, david cameron— as her remark before the referendum, david cameron in— as her remark before the referendum, david cameron in discreetly— as her remark before the referendum, david cameron in discreetly let - as her remark before the referendum, david cameron in discreetly let slip . david cameron in discreetly let slip that when— david cameron in discreetly let slip that when he — david cameron in discreetly let slip that when he told _ david cameron in discreetly let slip that when he told her— david cameron in discreetly let slip that when he told her what - david cameron in discreetly let slip that when he told her what the - that when he told her what the result — that when he told her what the result was _ that when he told her what the result was she _ that when he told her what the result was she paired - that when he told her what the result was she paired with - result was she paired with happiness _ result was she paired with happiness. although, - result was she paired with happiness. although, in. result was she paired with happiness. although, in a| result was she paired with - happiness. although, in a devolved united _ happiness. although, in a devolved united kingdom. _ happiness. although, in a devolved united kingdom. we _ happiness. although, in a devolved united kingdom. we will— happiness. although, in a devolved united kingdom. we will get - happiness. although, in a devolved united kingdom. we will get onto. united kingdom. we will get onto this sort— united kingdom. we will get onto this sort of— united kingdom. we will get onto this sort of thing _ united kingdom. we will get onto this sort of thing later, _ united kingdom. we will get onto this sort of thing later, but - united kingdom. we will get onto this sort of thing later, but one i united kingdom. we will get onto this sort of thing later, but one of harm _ this sort of thing later, but one of harm it's— this sort of thing later, but one of harm it's the— this sort of thing later, but one of her... it's the same _ this sort of thing later, but one of her... it's the same as _ this sort of thing later, but one of her... it's the same as the - her... it's the same as the commonwealth. _ her... it's the same as the commonwealth. her- her... it's the same as the - commonwealth. her personality was able to— commonwealth. her personality was able to let _ commonwealth. her personality was able to let nations _ commonwealth. her personality was able to let nations go _ commonwealth. her personality was able to let nations go or— commonwealth. her personality was able to let nations go or let - commonwealth. her personality was able to let nations go or let nation . able to let nations go or let nation separate, — able to let nations go or let nation separate, but _ able to let nations go or let nation separate, but keep— able to let nations go or let nation separate, but keep a _ able to let nations go or let nation separate, but keep a sense - able to let nations go or let nation separate, but keep a sense of- separate, but keep a sense of togetherness _ separate, but keep a sense of togetherness. and _ separate, but keep a sense of togetherness. and i— separate, but keep a sense of togetherness. and i think- separate, but keep a sense ofj togetherness. and i think that separate, but keep a sense of. togetherness. and i think that is what _ togetherness. and i think that is what was — togetherness. and i think that is what was the _ togetherness. and i think that is what was the essence _ togetherness. and i think that is what was the essence of - togetherness. and i think that is what was the essence of her - togetherness. and i think that is- what was the essence of her attitude towards _ what was the essence of her attitude towards this — what was the essence of her attitude towards this tricky— what was the essence of her attitude towards this tricky issue _ what was the essence of her attitude towards this tricky issue of _ towards this tricky issue of scottish— towards this tricky issue of scottish independence - towards this tricky issue of scottish independence and devolution. _ scottish independence and devolution. in _ scottish independence and devolution.— scottish independence and devolution. , ., ., , devolution. in terms of the “ourney we are following i devolution. in terms of the “ourney we are following today, _ devolution. in terms of the “ourney we are following today, of_ devolution. in terms of the journey we are following today, of course, | we are following today, of course, the ultimate destination later this afternoon is edinburgh, some hours away for obvious reasons. at points, this is moving very slowly, as we anticipated. we were told in some areas they wanted the vehicles to move at walking pace because, martin, there are areas where we expect large crowds.— martin, there are areas where we expect large crowds. yes, i mean it's difficult _ expect large crowds. yes, i mean it's difficult to — expect large crowds. yes, i mean it's difficult to know _ expect large crowds. yes, i mean it's difficult to know what - expect large crowds. yes, i mean it's difficult to know what to - it�*s difficult to know what to expect. i think this town has a population just expect. i think this town has a populationjust under expect. i think this town has a population just under 3000, something like that, like many other deeside towns, and there are people lining the streets, but it�*s quite sparse. many of those people will have gone to ballater, i suppose. it's have gone to ballater, i suppose. it�*s difficult to get to bar moral —— balmoral so buses laid on from braemar, for distances away, one bus from each town, 3000 people came in yesterday. my colleague james from each town, 3000 people came in yesterday. my colleaguejames kirk who covers scotland for the bbc said at one point 800 people in the queue for the bus, and there will be tourists among those people, of course. this is a real tourist place but there an idea of the strength of feeling and if you look now, as we go into the town, they are three or four deep i�*m seeing on the south side of the road. and again, when look at these pictures, bear in mind the population 2900, there�*s not many people watching this on television but they have all come out of their houses to pay their respects. there�*s other parts of the route in aberdeen, an opportunity for people to come out and i think we will see crowds there as well as in dundee. but most of the route will be passing through scottish countryside, a practical exercise, this, to move the queen from balmoral to the palace of holyroodhouse and much of it will be done through the fields and hills of east coast of scotland.— east coast of scotland. every place in the car park— east coast of scotland. every place in the car park is _ east coast of scotland. every place in the car park is full. _ east coast of scotland. every place in the car park is full. and - east coast of scotland. every place in the car park is full. and we - east coast of scotland. every place in the car park is full. and we saw| in the car park is full. and we saw that along — in the car park is full. and we saw that along the _ in the car park is full. and we saw that along the route, _ in the car park is full. and we saw that along the route, as - in the car park is full. and we saw that along the route, as well. - in the car park is full. and we saw| that along the route, as well. cars parked in fields, cars parked injunctions. you are right. that's the modern _ injunctions. you are right. that's the modern token _ injunctions. you are right. that's the modern token of— injunctions. you are right. that's the modern token of the - injunctions. you are right. that's the modern token of the people | injunctions. you are right. that's - the modern token of the people who have come _ the modern token of the people who have come from a long way away, as we agree, _ have come from a long way away, as we agree, and are there at the side of the _ we agree, and are there at the side of the road — we agree, and are there at the side of the road. we saw them in the middle — of the road. we saw them in the middle of— of the road. we saw them in the middle of the time, more concentrated, now we are leading the town and _ concentrated, now we are leading the town and they are more spread out. yes, _ town and they are more spread out. yes. and _ town and they are more spread out. yes, and again, forthe town and they are more spread out. yes, and again, for the benefit of international viewers perhaps, worth reminding people the population of the whole of scotland is 5.5 million, less than the capital. smaller than london, half the size, considerable way. you make an absolutely important point. by, considerable way. you make an absolutely important point. a third ofthe absolutely important point. a third of the landmass _ absolutely important point. a third of the landmass of _ absolutely important point. a third of the landmass of britain - absolutely important point. a third of the landmass of britain with - absolutely important point. a third of the landmass of britain with 8%| of the landmass of britain with 8% of the landmass of britain with 8% of the landmass of britain with 8% of the population. of the landmass of britain with 896 of the population.— of the landmass of britain with 896 of the population. and, at the time of the population. and, at the time ofthe of the population. and, at the time of the queen's _ of the population. and, at the time of the queen's death, _ of the population. and, at the time of the queen's death, we've - of the population. and, at the time of the queen's death, we've seen i of the population. and, at the time i of the queen's death, we've seen the members _ of the queen's death, we've seen the members of— of the queen's death, we've seen the members of the royal family coming up members of the royal family coming up from _ members of the royal family coming up from london, but at the time of her death. — up from london, but at the time of her death, the queen was there and prince _ her death, the queen was there and prince charles was there, as well. not because he was expecting his mother— not because he was expecting his mother to — not because he was expecting his mother to die, but because the monarch— mother to die, but because the monarch and the air both love the time _ monarch and the air both love the time they— monarch and the air both love the time they spend in scotland. we haven't— time they spend in scotland. we haven't had much chance to talk about _ haven't had much chance to talk about dumfries house which is where prince _ about dumfries house which is where prince charles loves being —— heir. it's prince charles loves being —— heir. it's not _ prince charles loves being —— heir. it's notjust— prince charles loves being —— heir. it's notjust the residency prince charles loves being —— heir. it's not just the residency uses, but is _ it's not just the residency uses, but is made that the centre of a project — but is made that the centre of a project of— but is made that the centre of a project of rebuilding the local community, trying to generate employment, activities for young people — employment, activities for young people. all these sorts of things, which _ people. all these sorts of things, which interestingly, are the sorts of things— which interestingly, are the sorts of things the royal family didn't do before _ of things the royal family didn't do before the queen's reign. there was the anxiety— before the queen's reign. there was the anxiety by getting involved too much _ the anxiety by getting involved too much in _ the anxiety by getting involved too much in politics, but it was really the duke — much in politics, but it was really the duke of— much in politics, but it was really the duke of edinburgh with his award scheme _ the duke of edinburgh with his award scheme who showed how a member of the royal— scheme who showed how a member of the royal family could really come in a determined way, get involved in changing _ in a determined way, get involved in changing society, but without offending the politics of it. so that's offending the politics of it. sr that's interesting. offending the politics of it. 5r that's interesting. it was started that�*s interesting. it was started by this reign which is come to an end, which was started under the late queen and the late duke of edinburgh. late queen and the late duke of edinbur: h. �* . late queen and the late duke of edinburuh. �* , , edinburgh. and this being enthusiastically _ edinburgh. and this being enthusiastically being - edinburgh. and this being i enthusiastically being taken edinburgh. and this being - enthusiastically being taken up by prince _ enthusiastically being taken up by prince charles who, we know, pondered... he knew ahead of time he was going _ pondered... he knew ahead of time he was going to _ pondered... he knew ahead of time he was going to have to wait so long, and he _ was going to have to wait so long, and he wanted to make his time as heir really— and he wanted to make his time as heir really useful, and there he turned — heir really useful, and there he turned to— heir really useful, and there he turned to his father's example of picking _ turned to his father's example of picking out causes that could make the world _ picking out causes that could make the world a — picking out causes that could make the world a better place. he was never— the world a better place. he was never ashamed of saying it. like come _ never ashamed of saying it. like come in — never ashamed of saying it. like come in his— never ashamed of saying it. like come in his case, with prince charles. _ come in his case, with prince charles. in— come in his case, with prince charles, in came the idea of ecology and the _ charles, in came the idea of ecology and the countryside, and converting the royal— and the countryside, and converting the royal family's natural affinity and love — the royal family's natural affinity and love the countryside into actually _ and love the countryside into actually a political cause which both _ actually a political cause which both parties, all parties espouse. these _ both parties, all parties espouse. these are — both parties, all parties espouse. these are big developments in the reign _ these are big developments in the reign of— these are big developments in the reign of the queen over which he has presided _ reign of the queen over which he has presided and now we have got the new prince _ presided and now we have got the new prince of— presided and now we have got the new prince of wales, william, with his earth _ prince of wales, william, with his earth shot— prince of wales, william, with his earth shot price, following on from now his _ earth shot price, following on from now his father and his grandfather, all under— now his father and his grandfather, all under the auspices of the queen. that is— all under the auspices of the queen. that is the _ all under the auspices of the queen. that is the voice of robert lacey, the royal historian and biographer who is with us throughout the day here on bbc news. as we follow the coffin bearing the queen ultimately on its way to edinburgh, that is where she will rest later today. and the bbc�*s martin geissler is with us, as well. my colleague from bbc scotland. do you have a sense, martin, of the next town where this might be passing through? it�*s quite hard from this vantage point to keep a firm eye on exactly where we are now. this is a 175 mile journey. exactly. i have to confess, this is not a part of the country i come from and i�*m terrified of offending people by getting their town wrong from a bird�*s eye view but if that was a we should be approaching banchory very shortly. about 20 miles or so from aberdeen. to go back to you asking earlier on about, asking professor sir tom devine about the fact this life was some time going to come to an end and it was appropriate it did so in balmoral. annita was talking earlier on about the right reverend ian greenshields, the moderator of the general church of scotland, the head of the church of scotland effectively, and he was with the queen last weekend at balmoral and spent the weekend there. i spoke with him on friday and he said he was struck by how sparky, she was frail, but sparky come on great form, he said, and said he walked with her to a window in balmoral and they looked out over the garden together and she was just speaking with great pride about the garden which had been grown there, what she was doing with it, and then talking about her memories, her horses, the time she had spent there, and he was shocked when he heard the news later in the week that her health had suffered and ultimately she passed away but he said her love for that place was just so evident in the conversation, a long conversation he had with her there. herfamily will have taken i think great comfort from the fact that that�*s where her life came to an end. bud from the fact that that's where her life came to an end.— life came to an end. and he is not alone, is life came to an end. and he is not alone. is he. _ life came to an end. and he is not alone, is he, in _ life came to an end. and he is not alone, is he, in mentioning - life came to an end. and he is not alone, is he, in mentioning howi alone, is he, in mentioning how sparky, to use your words, the queen was right up until the end. later on in the day we hope to talk a little bit more about her love of horses, her expertise in horses, hugely knowledgeable, and we know that on tuesday, the day she welcomed in the new prime minister, that day she was talking to one of her racehorse trainers who talked about she knew everything about the forthcoming race, knew who the favourites were. and it wasn�*tjust racehorses but highland pony, special breed of ponies, and they are used to take the deer off the hills after the hunt, the stags, they strap the stags to the back of these ponies and they take them down and the queen bred them. she had a successful stud, breeding programme for these ponies, a breed apart, so, yeah. for these ponies, a breed apart, so, eah. ,, for these ponies, a breed apart, so, eah. . ., for these ponies, a breed apart, so, eah. ,, ., ., , . yeah. she found it rather difficult to ride them. _ yeah. she found it rather difficult to ride them, i _ yeah. she found it rather difficult to ride them, i believe. - yeah. she found it rather difficult to ride them, i believe. i've - to ride them, i believe. i've seen some _ to ride them, i believe. i've seen some letters she wrote to one of her trainers _ some letters she wrote to one of her trainers and — some letters she wrote to one of her trainers and they were so fat, she found _ trainers and they were so fat, she found them — trainers and they were so fat, she found them rather difficult to sit on. found them rather difficult to sit on one — found them rather difficult to sit on one of— found them rather difficult to sit on. one of her last photographs was her standing with two of these highland ponies, wasn't it? the thing _ highland ponies, wasn't it? the thing about horses, we will talk more _ thing about horses, we will talk more about that later, but riding gave _ more about that later, but riding gave her— more about that later, but riding gave her such a sense of freedom. no disrespect— gave her such a sense of freedom. no disrespect to — gave her such a sense of freedom. no disrespect to herjob, but it was freedom. — disrespect to herjob, but it was freedom, that's what i think balmoral meant to her. that's what the royal— balmoral meant to her. that's what the royal yacht britannia meant to her as— the royal yacht britannia meant to her as well. the royal yacht britannia meant to her as well-— the royal yacht britannia meant to her as well. , ., ., , , her as well. yes, freedom absolutely is the word. — her as well. yes, freedom absolutely is the word, isn't _ her as well. yes, freedom absolutely is the word, isn't it? _ her as well. yes, freedom absolutely is the word, isn't it? we _ her as well. yes, freedom absolutely is the word, isn't it? we will - is the word, isn�*t it? we will return to that because it�*s the essence of the family�*s time in scotland. i believe that the shot we were just showing there was banchory, i�*m told. and wejust were just showing there was banchory, i�*m told. and we just wait for a different camera angle and again to get a sense of the number of people who are there again lining the route waiting to pay their respects. it is the biggest town in deeside, about 7000 people living banchory, because itself the gateway to royal deeside. i would because itself the gateway to royal deeside. iwould imagine because itself the gateway to royal deeside. i would imagine there will be a significant turnout there as well. .., . . be a significant turnout there as well. . ., , , ., well. the castle is where queen victoria once _ well. the castle is where queen victoria once reported - well. the castle is where queen victoria once reported she - well. the castle is where queen victoria once reported she had i well. the castle is where queen - victoria once reported she had seen a ghost. victoria once reported she had seen a chost. �* . . ,, a ghost. and it was with queen victoria, a ghost. and it was with queen victoria. as _ a ghost. and it was with queen victoria, as we _ a ghost. and it was with queen victoria, as we have _ a ghost. and it was with queen victoria, as we have already i victoria, as we have already remarked, that the modern links between — remarked, that the modern links between the royal family and scotland started. and as you were saying. _ scotland started. and as you were saying. she — scotland started. and as you were saying, she was the one who fell in love with _ saying, she was the one who fell in love with what is now known as royal deeside. _ love with what is now known as royal deeside, bought the balmoral estate, later bought more land around it, and established this link we can see there _ and established this link we can see there there are more people out, and there there are more people out, and the procession seems to be slowing. martin, cani martin, can i please ask a question? please do. we martin, can i please ask a question? please do. ~ ., ., please do. we heard that the standard on _ please do. we heard that the standard on her _ please do. we heard that the standard on her coffin - please do. we heard that the standard on her coffin is i please do. we heard that the standard on her coffin is the l please do. we heard that the i standard on her coffin is the royal standard of scotland. haifa standard on her coffin is the royal standard of scotland.— standard of scotland. how is that different from _ standard of scotland. how is that different from the _ standard of scotland. how is that different from the other - standard of scotland. how is that different from the other one? i standard of scotland. how is that i different from the other one? thank ou, different from the other one? thank you. robert. — different from the other one? thank you. robert. for— different from the other one? thank you, robert, for that _ different from the other one? thank you, robert, for that question i different from the other one? thank you, robert, for that question which i am massively unqualified to answer! — i am massively unqualified to answer! i_ i am massively unqualified to answer! ., , ., answer! i saw a huge scottish lion on it. well. _ answer! i saw a huge scottish lion on it. well. it— answer! i saw a huge scottish lion on it. well, it was _ answer! i saw a huge scottish lion on it. well, it was sir— answer! i saw a huge scottish lion on it. well, it was sir divine i answer! i saw a huge scottish lion on it. well, it was sir divine who i on it. well, it was sir divine who suggested. _ on it. well, it was sir divine who suggested. he — on it. well, it was sir divine who suggested, he presumed - on it. well, it was sir divine who suggested, he presumed it- on it. well, it was sir divine who | suggested, he presumed it would on it. well, it was sir divine who i suggested, he presumed it would be the royal— suggested, he presumed it would be the royal standard of scotland. my present— the royal standard of scotland. my present son, —— my presumption, and iekpose _ present son, —— my presumption, and i expose myself to an incoming volley — i expose myself to an incoming volley of — i expose myself to an incoming volley of correction, for people who know _ volley of correction, for people who know better than me, that the royal standard _ know better than me, that the royal standard is — know better than me, that the royal standard is a different flag when the monarch is in scotland. there is the monarch is in scotland. there is the big red — the monarch is in scotland. there is the big red lion _ the monarch is in scotland. there is the big red lion on _ the monarch is in scotland. there is the big red lion on gold. _ the monarch is in scotland. there is the big red lion on gold. heraldryi the big red lion on gold. heraldry is not m the big red lion on gold. heraldry is rrot my strong — the big red lion on gold. heraldry is not my strong suit. _ and we should perhaps explain that the local councils have been urging people, whilst encouraging people to line the route, to pay their respects, people were quite specifically urged by some of the councils not to throw flowers at the vehicles as they passed. officials said they really wanted to discourage that, so that their word problems for road users later in the day. that is what local people were told. and i mention it because, inevitably, we think of scenes 25 years ago, and that is an image that sticks in people�*s minds, from that period, of people spontaneously, perhaps something that nobody really expected, people throwing flowers onto the vehicles as they passed. there is a different sense, i think, today. 25 years ago, there was a sense of suddenness and grief, and today, there seems to be a sense of sorrow. but perhaps inevitability, this was a long life well lived, and while this has come as a great shock to the country, i think there will be a different sentiment when we see the cortege passing through cities, it feels different to diana�*s... and when we paused as long as we did, through ballater, there was something very beautiful and very respectfully about the silence, people just standing still. powerful. in people just standing still. powerful-— people just standing still. powerful. , ., powerful. in this world where we don't stand _ powerful. in this world where we don't stand still— powerful. in this world where we don't stand still often _ powerful. in this world where we don't stand still often enough, i powerful. in this world where we | don't stand still often enough, we don�*t stand still often enough, we don�*t stand still often enough, we don�*t look up from our phones, and people were doing that, standing, simply watching, with their own thoughts, not that far out from the end of a pandemic, lots of people who�*ve followed last couple of years. and it is a different mood and tone perhaps, robert. in different mood and tone perhaps, robert. ., ., robert. in ireland, where the head of state is elected _ robert. in ireland, where the head of state is elected every _ robert. in ireland, where the head of state is elected every five i of state is elected every five or seven — of state is elected every five or seven years, i think, republicans point _ seven years, i think, republicans point out — seven years, i think, republicans point out that the advantage of the irish system is notjust that point out that the advantage of the irish system is not just that every five or— irish system is not just that every five or seven years, they can choose their— five or seven years, they can choose their head _ five or seven years, they can choose their head of— five or seven years, they can choose their head of state, as opposed to their head of state, as opposed to the united — their head of state, as opposed to the united kingdom where you inherit your head _ the united kingdom where you inherit your head of state, but for those presidential elections, the country .ets presidential elections, the country gets a _ presidential elections, the country gets a time to debate the values they want— gets a time to debate the values they want represented by the head of state they— they want represented by the head of state they are going to elect, and interestingly, ireland was ahead of so many— interestingly, ireland was ahead of so many other countries in electing women. _ so many other countries in electing women, like mary mcaleese and so on, for the _ women, like mary mcaleese and so on, for the job. _ women, like mary mcaleese and so on, for the job. and i think we are at a moment— for the job. and i think we are at a moment like — for the job. and i think we are at a moment like that in the united kingdom, that is we discuss these issues _ kingdom, that is we discuss these issues you've mentioned, the regret at the _ issues you've mentioned, the regret at the queen is passing but at the same _ at the queen is passing but at the same time — at the queen is passing but at the same time the celebration of her life and _ same time the celebration of her life and looking forward to the new reign. _ life and looking forward to the new reign. it— life and looking forward to the new reign. it is— life and looking forward to the new reign. it isa— life and looking forward to the new reign, it is a time for contemplation of the values that this institution and these people, queen— this institution and these people, queen elizabeth ii, and now king charles— queen elizabeth ii, and now king charles iii, represent and are supposed _ charles iii, represent and are supposed to represent, and so i think— supposed to represent, and so i think that — supposed to represent, and so i think that perhaps confused feeling of reflection is natural, but also very— of reflection is natural, but also very healthy, and people have already— very healthy, and people have already called for this being a time of... _ already called for this being a time of... prince — already called for this being a time of... prince charles himself has talked — of... prince charles himself has talked about this being a time for reflection — talked about this being a time for reflection about what we stand for and the _ reflection about what we stand for and the values that our head of state _ and the values that our head of state doesn't represent and should represent. — state doesn't represent and should reresent. ., �* ., . �* �* , represent. you're watching bbc news, as we brin: represent. you're watching bbc news, as we bring you _ represent. you're watching bbc news, as we bring you continuing _ represent. you're watching bbc news, as we bring you continuing coverage i as we bring you continuing coverage we�*re following the coffin of the queen on a 175—mile journey today. it will arrive in edinburgh much later this afternoon. and within the last hour, the queen left balmoral, her favourite home, last hour, the queen left balmoral, herfavourite home, for the very last time. and this was the moment, in the quiet of balmoral this morning, that the queen began herfinaljourney. 175 miles, which we are told today will take in the region of six hours, but that simply depends on the crowds that turn out, many, many towns have made provision for people towns have made provision for people to line the route, and we�*ve certainly seen that through ballater. and the cortege now on the route to banchory. the and the cortege now on the route to bancho . .., . and the cortege now on the route to bancho . .. , , banchory. the car behind is the ro al banchory. the car behind is the royal limousine, _ banchory. the car behind is the royal limousine, you _ banchory. the car behind is the royal limousine, you said i banchory. the car behind is the royal limousine, you said that i banchory. the car behind is the i royal limousine, you said that was princess anne and commander tim laurence, is that correct?- laurence, is that correct? forgive me, i laurence, is that correct? forgive me. i don't— laurence, is that correct? forgive me, i don't know. _ laurence, is that correct? forgive me, i don't know. my— laurence, is that correct? forgive i me, i don't know. my understanding, me, i don�*t know. my understanding, i thought, was that other members of the royal family were... thea;r i thought, was that other members of the royal family were. . .— the royal family were... they were in a second — the royal family were... they were in a second convoy, _ the royal family were... they were in a second convoy, i _ the royal family were... they were in a second convoy, i think, - the royal family were... they were in a second convoy, i think, which i in a second convoy, i think, which left shortly — in a second convoy, i think, which left shortly after? we in a second convoy, i think, which left shortly after?— left shortly after? we will endeavour _ left shortly after? we will endeavour to _ left shortly after? we will endeavour to find - left shortly after? we will endeavour to find out, i left shortly after? we will i endeavour to find out, robert. we have certainly established that the coffin is indeed draped in the scottish standard. so, everyone correct on that point. band scottish standard. so, everyone correct on that point.— scottish standard. so, everyone correct on that point. and i think i was mistaken _ correct on that point. and i think i was mistaken in _ correct on that point. and i think i was mistaken in my _ correct on that point. and i think i was mistaken in my suggestion i correct on that point. and i think i i was mistaken in my suggestion that princess— was mistaken in my suggestion that princess anne is in that car behind. according _ princess anne is in that car behind. according to — princess anne is in that car behind. according to the notes i have, there is a royal car containing the launching and the minister of church. ., , ., _, , church. the lodge blend, of course, -- the lord — church. the lodge blend, of course, -- the lord is— church. the lodge blend, of course, -- the lord is a _ church. the lodge blend, of course, -- the lord is a very _ church. the lodge blend, of course, -- the lord is a very old _ —— the lord is a very old established royal position that goes back even— established royal position that goes back even before 1066. representing the court. _ back even before 1066. representing the court, so that would make sense. you were saying, jane, about crowds coming _ you were saying, jane, about crowds coming out _ you were saying, jane, about crowds coming out in cities, and provision being _ coming out in cities, and provision being made — coming out in cities, and provision being made by councils to let that happen— being made by councils to let that happen the interesting thing is that there _ happen the interesting thing is that there has— happen the interesting thing is that there has not been that much time to communicate that information. i left scotland _ communicate that information. i left scotland yesterday afternoon and i hadn't _ scotland yesterday afternoon and i hadn't seen much in the way of direction — hadn't seen much in the way of direction to people, as to where to lo. direction to people, as to where to go. now. — direction to people, as to where to go. now, people who know the route, when _ go. now, people who know the route, when they— go. now, people who know the route, when they passed through dundee, for example. _ when they passed through dundee, for example, there is only one way they will get _ example, there is only one way they will get from the aberdeen road through— will get from the aberdeen road through to the road which will take them _ through to the road which will take them to— through to the road which will take them to perth and then edinburgh, so people _ them to perth and then edinburgh, so people will— them to perth and then edinburgh, so people will work that out. i think the papers this morning have something of the route, but because this has— something of the route, but because this has only happened, given the circumstances, very suddenly, there hasn't _ circumstances, very suddenly, there hasn't been — circumstances, very suddenly, there hasn't been much time for public preparation. these plans have been in place. _ preparation. these plans have been in place. of— preparation. these plans have been in place, of course, for years, but they— in place, of course, for years, but they were — in place, of course, for years, but they were never publicised. indeed. so, i they were never publicised. indeed. so. i guess — they were never publicised. indeed. so, i guess things _ they were never publicised. indeed. so, i guess things will _ they were never publicised. indeed. so, i guess things will be _ they were never publicised. indeed. so, i guess things will be put i they were never publicised. indeed. so, i guess things will be put up i so, i guess things will be put up online _ so, i guess things will be put up online and — so, i guess things will be put up online and people will know where to lo, online and people will know where to go. but _ online and people will know where to go, but some of it willjust be spontaneous, as we see in the hamlets— spontaneous, as we see in the hamlets and villages. this looks like it— hamlets and villages. this looks like it will— hamlets and villages. this looks like it will be banchory. it wasn't such a shock. — like it will be banchory. it wasn't such a shock, wasn't _ like it will be banchory. it wasn't such a shock, wasn't it, - like it will be banchory. it wasn't such a shock, wasn't it, for- like it will be banchory. it wasn't i such a shock, wasn't it, for people such a shock, wasn�*t it, for people on the tuesday to see the queen standing up talking to two prime minister is, and then to hear the dreadful news two days later. the best laid preparations were overtaken. so, the coffin makes its way to the town of banchory. as part of its 175—mile journey to town of banchory. as part of its 175—milejourney to edinburgh. and again, for people perhapsjust joining us, watching these images for the first time this morning, perhaps for some, this is the moment that this becomes real, that the remarkable reign of 70 years has come to an end. a first sight of the coffin leaving the gates of balmoral, where the queen died on thursday afternoon, that first moment, perhaps that personal, human recognition, that we are into a new era in the uk and around the commonwealth. you�*re right about that sense of finality, we have all been to funerals of relatives or friends, and of you think we doing ok in the days since they past, and then you see the coffin, and suddenly something hits you. there will be people right along this witch who will be experiencing this right now. it feels real. it�*s will be experiencing this right now. it feels real-— it feels real. it's the reality, isn't it? _ it feels real. it's the reality, isn't it? we've _ it feels real. it's the reality, isn't it? we've all _ it feels real. it's the reality, isn't it? we've all known, i it feels real. it's the reality, isn't it? we've all known, a| it feels real. it's the reality, i isn't it? we've all known, a lot of isn�*t it? we�*ve all known, a lot of people will have watched a lot and seen a lot and listened to a lot in the last few days, tens of thousands of people have been to various royal residences, they have laid flowers, written letters, left cards, but now, the queen makes her very last journey. and that is such a poignant moment. towards the capital of scotland and then. _ towards the capital of scotland and then. of— towards the capital of scotland and then, of course, in due course, to london _ then, of course, in due course, to london where the more familiar ceremonies will take place. i was struck— ceremonies will take place. i was struck yesterday down by buckingham palace. _ struck yesterday down by buckingham palace. as _ struck yesterday down by buckingham palace, as you were, by how uncanny it was— palace, as you were, by how uncanny it was to _ palace, as you were, by how uncanny it was to see — palace, as you were, by how uncanny it was to see the stands going up and the _ it was to see the stands going up and the scaffolding.— and the scaffolding. yes, a lot of preparation _ and the scaffolding. yes, a lot of preparation and _ and the scaffolding. yes, a lot of preparation and construction. i and the scaffolding. yes, a lot of| preparation and construction. just and the scaffolding. yes, a lot of i preparation and construction. just a reminder of— preparation and construction. just a reminder of how _ preparation and construction. just a reminder of how many _ preparation and construction. just a reminder of how many people i preparation and construction. just a reminder of how many people there will be _ reminder of how many people there will be there. taking part. and people — will be there. taking part. and people looking... when the scaffolders went past, there were cheers. _ scaffolders went past, there were cheers, because people have this sense _ cheers, because people have this sense of— cheers, because people have this sense of loss. which will be developing over the next ten days until monday week, when the funeral and the _ until monday week, when the funeral and the bank holiday take place. and such a turn and the bank holiday take place. such a turn in a and the bank holiday take place. situc such a turn in a matter of and the bank holiday take place. a"ic such a turn in a matter of a few months because as you mentioned, the preparations going on in many places, including edinburgh and london, it is only three months since you and i were there, robert, for trooping the colour, glorious unexpectedly hot day, tens of thousands of people, those scenes of people streaming down the mall with optimism. cheering when the queen came out onto the balcony. but indeed, came out onto the balcony. but indeed. the _ came out onto the balcony. but indeed, the clue was there as to what _ indeed, the clue was there as to what was — indeed, the clue was there as to what was to come, the fact... when you think— what was to come, the fact... when you think back to the grand days of her reign. — you think back to the grand days of her reign, she would ride in the chipping — her reign, she would ride in the chipping of— her reign, she would ride in the chipping of the colour and so many other— chipping of the colour and so many other commemoratives coins of her reign _ other commemoratives coins of her reign show— other commemoratives coins of her reign show hit on horse in truly majestic— reign show hit on horse in truly majestic pose. but then the mobility problems. _ majestic pose. but then the mobility problems, we could see for ourselves in the _ problems, we could see for ourselves in the fact... — problems, we could see for ourselves in the fact... she came out onto the balcony— in the fact... she came out onto the balcony twice, didn't she? she in the fact. .. she came out onto the balcony twice, didn't she?— balcony twice, didn't she? she did. it was an indication _ balcony twice, didn't she? she did. it was an indication of _ balcony twice, didn't she? she did. it was an indication of what - balcony twice, didn't she? she did. it was an indication of what was i balcony twice, didn't she? she did. it was an indication of what was to | it was an indication of what was to come. _ it was an indication of what was to come. at — it was an indication of what was to come. at her platinum jubilee service — come. at her platinum jubilee service at— come. at her platinum jubilee service at st paul's, it was prince charles. — service at st paul's, it was prince charles. as — service at st paul's, it was prince charles, as he was then, who represented her. and i think, if we look back— represented her. and i think, if we look back earlier to this year to her access— look back earlier to this year to her access and a statement, in february. _ her access and a statement, in february. a _ her access and a statement, in february, a sad occasion, when her father— february, a sad occasion, when her father died. — february, a sad occasion, when her father died, and we expected her to pay tribute — father died, and we expected her to pay tribute to her father as she always — pay tribute to her father as she always would do on her accession day. _ always would do on her accession day. but — always would do on her accession day, but that was the occasion when she mentioned the welcome that was needed _ she mentioned the welcome that was needed for— she mentioned the welcome that was needed for queen camilla. she was, herself. _ needed for queen camilla. she was, herself, already thinking of the future — herself, already thinking of the future and getting ready for that. so this— future and getting ready for that. so this is— future and getting ready for that. so this is ballater.— future and getting ready for that. | so this is ballater._ this so this is ballater. banchory. this is isanchory. _ so this is ballater. banchory. this is isanchory. i— so this is ballater. banchory. this is banchory, i meant _ so this is ballater. banchory. this is banchory, i meant to _ so this is ballater. banchory. this is banchory, i meant to say. i so this is ballater. banchory. this is banchory, i meant to say. the. is banchory, i meant to say. the crowds, is banchory, i meant to say. the crowds. many — is banchory, i meant to say. the crowds, many people deep. it's| is banchory, i meant to say. the| crowds, many people deep. it's a comparatively — crowds, many people deep. it's a comparatively big _ crowds, many people deep. it's a comparatively big town, - crowds, many people deep. it�*s a. comparatively big town, 7000, so twice the size of many of them but, you are right, the crowds are there. again, let�*sjust pause you are right, the crowds are there. again, let�*s just pause as the coffin is driven through banchory. applause again, as we saw in ballater, very, very quiet. people just very quiet. peoplejust pausing, very quiet. people just pausing, watching as the convoy drove through the town. i am told there was some applause in some areas that i think our cameras perhaps didn�*t pick up. but again, as we saw in ballater, just that sense of stillness. the crowd swiftly dispersing, but a sense of quiet and respect as the coffin was driven through.— quiet and respect as the coffin was driven through. indeed. there was a ri le of driven through. indeed. there was a ripple of applause. _ driven through. indeed. there was a ripple of applause, we _ driven through. indeed. there was a ripple of applause, we saw- driven through. indeed. there was a ripple of applause, we saw a - driven through. indeed. there was a ripple of applause, we saw a tear i driven through. indeed. there was a ripple of applause, we saw a tear or| ripple of applause, we saw a tear or two shed. deeside in its glory and majesty, it�*s a fantastic part of the world. i wonder if idea, at this point, generalise unwisely about the people of scotland in terms of how they handle situations like this, but it�*s fair to say they don�*t necessarily note quite as enthusiastically as people down south, which is something we are quite proud of in sorrow orjoy, —— in boat. that was evident at the platinum jubilee celebrations. just over 100 parties were held in scotland, fewer than 200 applications, and anybody took that as a sign scotland is some kind of seditious republican hotbed, it�*s wrong, there no lack of warmth for the monarchy, but we don�*t necessarily feel like we have to demonstrate our emotions quite as wildly sometimes. a bit more reserved and that�*s not a criticism at all, if idea to generalise. i did see tea is _ at all, if idea to generalise. i did see tea is there. _ at all, if idea to generalise. i did see tea is there. and _ at all, if idea to generalise. i did see tea is there. and i _ at all, if idea to generalise. i did see tea is there. and i did see that modern _ see tea is there. and i did see that modern phenomenon, the iphone, many people _ modern phenomenon, the iphone, many people were _ modern phenomenon, the iphone, many people were recording this part of history— people were recording this part of history for— people were recording this part of history for themselves in the modern way. history for themselves in the modern wa . . history for themselves in the modern wa , , , ., , history for themselves in the modern wa . , , ., history for themselves in the modern wa. , ., ., history for themselves in the modern wa. ,, ., ., history for themselves in the modern wa. ., ., ., way. yes, people want a record of it. that way. yes, people want a record of it- that is — way. yes, people want a record of it. that is their _ way. yes, people want a record of it. that is their own, _ way. yes, people want a record of it. that is their own, not - way. yes, people want a record of it. that is their own, not lifted i it. that is their own, not lifted from a television screen. or a tablet. but still quiet.- from a television screen. or a tablet. but still quiet. there is, as we have _ tablet. but still quiet. there is, as we have been _ tablet. but still quiet. there is, as we have been talking - tablet. but still quiet. there is, i as we have been talking already, this mixture of emotions of respect. yes. it isa it is a moment in history, as we have reflected so many times in the last few days. there are so many people who have only ever known one monarch, and this is perhaps, again, what we were saying earlier about the reality of today. this is the ultimate reminder, the ultimate visual reminder of the fact we are into a new area. we have king charles. a remarkable 70 year reign is over. , , . ., , ., , is over. one speculates, i mean, but all those people _ is over. one speculates, i mean, but all those people have _ is over. one speculates, i mean, but all those people have come - is over. one speculates, i mean, but all those people have come to i is over. one speculates, i mean, but all those people have come to say i all those people have come to say goodbye. — all those people have come to say goodbye. in a personal sense. and in an historical— goodbye. in a personal sense. and in an historical sense, the end of an era. _ an historical sense, the end of an era, obviously we can talk about what _ era, obviously we can talk about what the — era, obviously we can talk about what the second elizabethan age is meant. _ what the second elizabethan age is meant. she was, of course, the first elizabeth— meant. she was, of course, the first elizabeth for— meant. she was, of course, the first elizabeth for scotland. and it was only after— elizabeth for scotland. and it was only after the reign of elizabeth i that the — only after the reign of elizabeth i that the two kingdoms became joined in 1603. _ that the two kingdoms became joined in 1603. that was when we had the first accession council of the privy council _ first accession council of the privy council to — first accession council of the privy council to mark this new significance and this enrichment of english _ significance and this enrichment of english life becoming anglo scottish. ., , scottish. there were many in scotland who _ scottish. there were many in scotland who are _ scottish. there were many in scotland who are angered i scottish. there were many in scotland who are angered by| scottish. there were many in i scotland who are angered by the title queen elizabeth ii because she was not queen elizabeth ii of scotland because queen elizabeth i was only queen of england. yes, true. was only queen of england. yes, true- they _ was only queen of england. yes, true- they are — was only queen of england. yes, true. they are where _ was only queen of england. yes, true. they are where postboxesl was only queen of england. yes, i true. they are where postboxes blown u- at the true. they are where postboxes blown up at the time- _ true. they are where postboxes blown up at the time. and _ true. they are where postboxes blown up at the time. and it's _ true. they are where postboxes blown up at the time. and it's not _ true. they are where postboxes blown up at the time. and it's not the i up at the time. and it's not the first, up at the time. and it's not the first. here _ up at the time. and it's not the first. here is — up at the time. and it's not the first, here is my _ up at the time. and it's not the first, here is my a-level i up at the time. and it's not the | first, here is my a-level history first, here is my a—level history coming — first, here is my a—level history coming out, she cut off the head of mary queen of scots, so there was a lot of— mary queen of scots, so there was a lot of reconciliation to go on then in 1603. — lot of reconciliation to go on then in 1603. �* , ., ., _, , in 1603. and this queen, of course, as ou in 1603. and this queen, of course, as you will — in 1603. and this queen, of course, as you will know _ in 1603. and this queen, of course, as you will know far _ in 1603. and this queen, of course, as you will know far better - in 1603. and this queen, of course, as you will know far better than i in 1603. and this queen, of course, | as you will know far better than me, had a bloodline to mary queen of scots but not to elizabeth i. indeed. as you were saying, robert, this is a final chance to say goodbye and i suspect people here, this is not an occasion where people have come out to see the event. they have come out to see the event. they have come out to pay respects. to see the event. they have come out to pay respects-— to pay respects. yes. sorry it's so difficult to — to pay respects. yes. sorry it's so difficult to avoid _ to pay respects. yes. sorry it's so difficult to avoid the _ to pay respects. yes. sorry it's so difficult to avoid the cliches, i to pay respects. yes. sorry it's so difficult to avoid the cliches, but i difficult to avoid the cliches, but there _ difficult to avoid the cliches, but there is— difficult to avoid the cliches, but there is this mingling of the personal— there is this mingling of the personal and the grand and the institutional that she did so very well, _ institutional that she did so very well, and — institutional that she did so very well, and she basically did the job. as we _ well, and she basically did the job. as we will— well, and she basically did the job. as we will also be discussing, king charles— as we will also be discussing, king charles i", — as we will also be discussing, king charles iii, who will be king charles— charles iii, who will be king charles iii, who will be king charles iii of scotland and england, will be _ charles iii of scotland and england, will be doing it in a new way as we have _ will be doing it in a new way as we have already seen in the two walkabouts that have happened already — walkabouts that have happened already. and so we are saying goodbye — already. and so we are saying goodbye to a different royal style, as well, _ goodbye to a different royal style, as well, but one who has certainly seen _ as well, but one who has certainly seen the — as well, but one who has certainly seen the monarchy through some very difficult _ seen the monarchy through some very difficult times. if you had predicted back in early 1950s, not 'ust predicted back in early 1950s, not just that — predicted back in early 1950s, not just that the queen would live long but the _ just that the queen would live long but the monarchy would actually thrive _ but the monarchy would actually thrive and — but the monarchy would actually thrive and become such an important part of— thrive and become such an important part of popular culture, and more than _ part of popular culture, and more than that, — part of popular culture, and more than that, people debate the monarchy but every year parliament votes. _ monarchy but every year parliament votes. £80 — monarchy but every year parliament votes, £80 million to pay for it, and people who don't like it can go to their— and people who don't like it can go to their mps and tell them to stop the money but come at the moment, that almost— the money but come at the moment, that almost voted through unanimously.— that almost voted through unanimously. that almost voted through unanimousl. . . .,~ , , unanimously. and that takes us throu . h unanimously. and that takes us through some _ unanimously. and that takes us through some of _ unanimously. and that takes us through some of the _ unanimously. and that takes us through some of the themes i unanimously. and that takes us i through some of the themes that unanimously. and that takes us - through some of the themes that we will discuss a lot around the time of the platinum jubilee. will discuss a lot around the time of the platinumjubilee. there may be people who would like the monarchy to reform in some way, who might like to see a slimmed down monarchy, and that might be something we will talk about this afternoon, even with some of the hints we have had from the new king. but, over the time of thejubilee, i lost track of the number of people i interviewed who, even if they had issues, wanted a slimmed down monarchy, they said i am here today on the mall at the palace, wherever it might have been, because of the queen. because of that longevity. because of the years and years of duty and service that she has given to this country. there was a sense, another reason today are so poignant, a sense in which the queen almost transcended, for a lot of people, all your other views about the monarchy as an institution. people still recognised that this individual had given 70 years of her life. she hadn't had a choice about how to live her life, what to do with her days, which is why she loved balmoral. it was perhaps a few days make she could do what she wanted to do but, broadly, she hadn't had a choice, and she was working right up until the end. it’s working right up until the end. it's interesting how on the international scene, _ interesting how on the international scene, it— interesting how on the international scene, it was vladimir putin who couldh't— scene, it was vladimir putin who couldn't rush fast enough, of all people. — couldn't rush fast enough, of all peorrle. to — couldn't rush fast enough, of all people, to pay his respects, jumping on the _ people, to pay his respects, jumping on the bandwagon. this antimonarchist, atheistic, republic, let's not— antimonarchist, atheistic, republic, let's not go— antimonarchist, atheistic, republic, let's not go near the war in ukraine, _ let's not go near the war in ukraine, but he too recognised what this woman — ukraine, but he too recognised what this woman meant and stood for. yes, he issued a — this woman meant and stood for. yes, he issued a statement _ this woman meant and stood for. us: he issued a statement very quickly, didn't he? . , ., ., ., didn't he? that separation of the individual and _ didn't he? that separation of the individual and the _ didn't he? that separation of the individual and the institution - didn't he? that separation of the individual and the institution is i individual and the institution is quite interesting as well when it comes to scottish public opinion but the monarchy, i think, comes to scottish public opinion but the monarchy, ithink, by comes to scottish public opinion but the monarchy, i think, by and large, it depends which poll you look at, what question they have asked, who they've asked it to, but by and large, people look across the polling in general and perhaps 10% less support for the monarchy in scotland and there is south of the border. not vast. but significant nonetheless, but there were such warmth for the queen. because she was so obviously and undeniably fond of scotland and the scottish people reciprocated that one. it will be interesting now to see with the monarchy without her, how that sentiment manifests itself now. it's very difficult to tell what will happen with public opinion of king charles, because anything we could have predicted he could change in terms of public sympathy in terms of events. you don't know how they were going to feel. no one knows how they will feel, we are experiencing something we didn't expect. absolutely, yes.— something we didn't expect. absolutely, yes. something we didn't expect. absolutel , es. . ., . , absolutely, yes. and how he conducts and handles — absolutely, yes. and how he conducts and handles the _ absolutely, yes. and how he conducts and handles the next _ absolutely, yes. and how he conducts and handles the next few _ absolutely, yes. and how he conducts and handles the next few days, - and handles the next few days, weeks, what he says, wary set it, how he says it will all have an impact. how he says it will all have an im act. , , ~ how he says it will all have an im act. , , ,, ., how he says it will all have an imact. , , ,, ., ., impact. yes, striking that professor sir tom devine _ impact. yes, striking that professor sir tom devine felt _ impact. yes, striking that professor sir tom devine felt very _ impact. yes, striking that professor sir tom devine felt very strongly i sir tom devine felt very strongly that the monarchy�*s love for scotland in the way in which it values scotland will sustain. he was in no doubt about that, but you are referring to the relationship of the other way? referring to the relationship of the other wa ? ~ ., referring to the relationship of the otherwa ? ~ ., ~' ., �* referring to the relationship of the otherwa 7. .,~ ., . , other way? who knows? i'm simply sa in: it's other way? who knows? i'm simply saying it's difficult _ other way? who knows? i'm simply saying it's difficult to _ other way? who knows? i'm simply saying it's difficult to tell. - saying it's difficult to tell. professor sir tom devine wrote a piece on the sunday papers in scotland this morning saying the monarchy is under no threat up there, king charles will carry on his mothers work, and there will be no change. you don't have to look far up to find someone with a different opinion. nobody knows. i have the answer on the scottish standard, by the way, if it's of interest. do tell us. if you think of the lion rampant, the yellow and red scottish flag that you sometimes see at football matches and so on, the heraldic flag of scotland, and then the three lions, the heraldic flag of england, on the royal standard, two corners with the three lines, one corner, lion rampant — other way around in scotland. has it other way around in scotland. as it should be! — we should remember, too, that what we're _ we should remember, too, that what we're seeing is part of a procedure which, _ we're seeing is part of a procedure which, obviously carefully planned, although— which, obviously carefully planned, although it happened rather quicker than people expected, but it was the queen— than people expected, but it was the queen herself who supervised and signed _ queen herself who supervised and signed off on every detail. so, it was the — signed off on every detail. so, it was the queen herself who wanted her body. _ was the queen herself who wanted her body, before it came down to england. _ body, before it came down to england, to travel through the scotland — england, to travel through the scotland she loved, and, as we're going _ scotland she loved, and, as we're going to _ scotland she loved, and, as we're going to see later, to be received in edinburgh, the capital of scotland, and stay there, before it comes— scotland, and stay there, before it comes down to london. lien; scotland, and stay there, before it comes down to london. very much her wishes, as comes down to london. very much her wishes. as we — comes down to london. very much her wishes, as we saw _ comes down to london. very much her wishes, as we saw with _ comes down to london. very much her wishes, as we saw with the _ comes down to london. very much her wishes, as we saw with the duke - comes down to london. very much her wishes, as we saw with the duke of. wishes, as we saw with the duke of edinburgh, we know the extent to which he planned so much of his funeral. and so, you're saying, similarly, in terms of everything we will see notjust today but in the many days ahead.— will see notjust today but in the many days ahead. indeed, and he for many days ahead. indeed, and he for many years — many days ahead. indeed, and he for many years wasn't — many days ahead. indeed, and he for many years wasn't prince _ many days ahead. indeed, and he for many years wasn't prince consort, . many years wasn't prince consort, but he — many years wasn't prince consort, but he was _ many years wasn't prince consort, but he was the duke of edinburgh, and that— but he was the duke of edinburgh, and that is— but he was the duke of edinburgh, and that is a significant choice as and that is a significant choice as a title _ and that is a significant choice as a title for— and that is a significant choice as a title for the queen tuners husband. a title for the queen tuners husband-— a title for the queen tuners husband. . . , , ._ a title for the queen tuners husband. �* . , , ., , husband. and as we stay with these ictures, husband. and as we stay with these pictures. as — husband. and as we stay with these pictures. as the _ husband. and as we stay with these pictures, as the convoy _ husband. and as we stay with these pictures, as the convoy exits - husband. and as we stay with these pictures, as the convoy exits way, l pictures, as the convoy exits way, the queen's coffin, driven through some beautiful landscape, there is a long way to go, of course, the ultimate destination for today, as robert lacey suggests, his edinburgh. we know preparations have been underway for some days in edinburgh, they are expecting large crowds there. but that will be possibly at around four cup this afternoon, when we think this journey will close for today. and then, more commemorations to come. there are church services happening across the country today. but we hear on bbc news will stay with you to follow this journey. we will bring you continuing coverage throughout the day here on bbc news. in the next few moments, we say goodbye for a period to viewers on bbc one. but there will be much more coverage of this on bbc one a little later on this afternoon. through the 20th century and into the 21st? as queen the left balmoral, her coffin was driven through the gates there, just about ten o'clock this morning. for watching a special edition of bbc news where we bring you continuing coverage of a poignant day. the coffin of queen elizabeth is making itsjourney from balmoral to holyrood house in edinburgh. i will be guiding you to the next hour, i'mjoanna gosling. many people lining the route for this solemn journey across 170 miles from balmoral to the palace of holyroodhouse in edinburgh, the official residence of the monarch in scotland. and along the way, of course, there will be people who felt such a connection with her. there will also be people amongst them who will have met her, and particularly in scotland, as we saw the quotation passed through many villages along the way. there will be many people for whom the monarch, the queen, will have been a familiar face. we have heard local residents talking about that being an environment where the royal family can effectively live a normal life, regular faces can effectively live a normal life, regularfaces in can effectively live a normal life, regular faces in the can effectively live a normal life, regularfaces in the purchase, and it is for that reason that we know it is for that reason that we know it is for that reason that we know it is a beloved residence of the queen, a place where she could be a grandmother, mother, wife, and it was a place where she effectively laid her crown at the gates she went there, and that is where she spent herfinal summer, a summer where she also had official duties to uphold, the least not being the greeting of the least not being the greeting of the new prime minister only this past week, herfinal the new prime minister only this past week, her final solemn and official duty being to see the outgoing prime minister, boris johnson, and then welcome liz truss, the new prime minister, to form a new government, so as we watch this beautiful countryside is that quotation wends its way down the route from balmoral to edinburgh, with me here is martin r ,and , and robert lacey. each time we see the next step in the very carefully planned events, it is incredibly emotional and it hits a little bit differently, doesn't it? irate emotional and it hits a little bit differently, doesn't it? we were talkin: differently, doesn't it? we were talking about — differently, doesn't it? we were talking about that _ differently, doesn't it? we were talking about that earlier - differently, doesn't it? we were talking about that earlier on, i differently, doesn't it? we were | talking about that earlier on, the finality of this, and the planning that has gone into this for years, the inevitability, the increasing frailty of the queen over the past year or so. we knew it was going to come at some point, over the past few months it seems to be not so far away, this moment, but suddenly, though, earlierthis away, this moment, but suddenly, though, earlier this week, the finality of it shocked a lot of people, and i think it also, even if you are not a monarchist, it reminds you are not a monarchist, it reminds you of the fragility of life, and i've been struck by the number of people i've spoken to who were surprised by how emotional they became, because it reminded of people they lost, lost mothers at the same age or whatever. it looked to me like a local village that that cortezjust passed through, a village of perhaps eight or 900 people, and it seemed that they were that many people on the streets. it is going to take six hours, five hours now, perhaps, to get from deeside to edinburgh, and there will be points along the way, in aberdeen and dundee and in edinburgh itself where people can come, they have still got time to get there, it will be interesting to see the scenes when this convoy enters the streets of scotland's capital to see the crowds that are there to meet it. and robert, it is an extraordinary moment in history. that and robert, it is an extraordinary moment in history.— and robert, it is an extraordinary moment in history. that is 'ust what i was thinking. i moment in history. that is 'ust what i was thinking, joanna. i moment in history. that isjust what i was thinking, joanna. there - moment in history. that isjust what i was thinking, joanna. there are i i was thinking, joanna. there are different— i was thinking, joanna. there are different ways that people encounter the queen, stamps, coins, some are lucky— the queen, stamps, coins, some are lucky enough — the queen, stamps, coins, some are lucky enough to meet her. there is the television, but certainly seeing her in _ the television, but certainly seeing her in that— the television, but certainly seeing her in that coffin, this is something none of us wanted, and as i something none of us wanted, and as i was _ something none of us wanted, and as i was saying _ something none of us wanted, and as i was saying earlier, we are also participating in a modern ritual. the first— participating in a modern ritual. the first time this happened with a modern _ the first time this happened with a modern monarch, queen victoria, 1901. _ modern monarch, queen victoria, 1901. she — modern monarch, queen victoria, 1901, she died a long way away from london. _ 1901, she died a long way away from london. on — 1901, she died a long way away from london, on the isle of wight, and all the _ london, on the isle of wight, and all the authorities thought about at the time, _ all the authorities thought about at the time, we have got to get the coffin— the time, we have got to get the coffin up— the time, we have got to get the coffin up to windsor to be buried, and so _ coffin up to windsor to be buried, and so she — coffin up to windsor to be buried, and so she was put on a warship, a train— and so she was put on a warship, a train up— and so she was put on a warship, a train upto— and so she was put on a warship, a train up to one london terminal, that would — train up to one london terminal, that would have been waterloo, and then popped across to another one, paddington, to go to windsor, my point _ paddington, to go to windsor, my point being here that itjust happened that between those london terminals, _ happened that between those london terminals, railway terminals, waterloo _ terminals, railway terminals, waterloo and paddington, there was a chance _ waterloo and paddington, there was a chance for— waterloo and paddington, there was a chance for people to see the coffin. it chance for people to see the coffin. it wasn't _ chance for people to see the coffin. it wasn't planned, and not many people _ it wasn't planned, and not many people did, and now i think it shows, — people did, and now i think it shows, whether anti—monarchists like it or hot. _ shows, whether anti—monarchists like it or hot. the — shows, whether anti—monarchists like it or not, the strength of the monarchy— it or not, the strength of the monarchy and of course the changing of media, _ monarchy and of course the changing of media, that this now becomes a ten day— of media, that this now becomes a ten day long event. and of media, that this now becomes a ten day long event.— ten day long event. and it feels like a transition, _ ten day long event. and it feels like a transition, from - ten day long event. and it feels like a transition, from that i ten day long event. and it feels i like a transition, from that moment of the shock of the announcement to being able to watch, to connect, as we see those are very well planned events unfolding, culminating as you say with the state funeral. this say with the state funeral. as martin said, there are the personal feeling _ martin said, there are the personal feeling is _ martin said, there are the personal feeling is that anyone feels at death— feeling is that anyone feels at death and funerals, but here it is translated — death and funerals, but here it is translated into a national stage, and an— translated into a national stage, and an international stage, because this woman — and an international stage, because this woman commanded such extraordinary international respect, which _ extraordinary international respect, which grew— extraordinary international respect, which grew during her life. i think the feeling was at the time of the coronation, this is a lovely fairy tale, _ coronation, this is a lovely fairy tale. who — coronation, this is a lovely fairy tale, who knows what will come of it, tale, who knows what will come of it. but _ tale, who knows what will come of it. but this — tale, who knows what will come of it, but this grew the british monarchy and helped give britain, once an _ monarchy and helped give britain, once an empire, a new role in the world _ once an empire, a new role in the world. , . , once an empire, a new role in the world. . ., , once an empire, a new role in the world. . . , , ., world. james cook is in ballater, alan scotland — world. james cook is in ballater, alan scotland editor, _ world. james cook is in ballater, alan scotland editor, where i world. james cook is in ballater, alan scotland editor, where the | alan scotland editor, where the cortege past through a short while ago, just six miles from balmoral. one in three people in this nation will have met the queen or seen her, i imagine this number is almost everybody there in ballater will have had an encounter or direct connection with the monarch and the family in balmoral.— family in balmoral. exactly, and indeed, family in balmoral. exactly, and indeed. that _ family in balmoral. exactly, and indeed, that is _ family in balmoral. exactly, and indeed, that is very _ family in balmoral. exactly, and indeed, that is very striking i family in balmoral. exactly, andj indeed, that is very striking that when _ indeed, that is very striking that when you — indeed, that is very striking that when you speak— indeed, that is very striking that when you speak to _ indeed, that is very striking that when you speak to people - indeed, that is very striking that when you speak to people alongj indeed, that is very striking that i when you speak to people along the route, _ when you speak to people along the route, almost— when you speak to people along the route, almost everyone _ when you speak to people along the route, almost everyone i— when you speak to people along the route, almost everyone i spoke i when you speak to people along the route, almost everyone i spoke to l route, almost everyone i spoke to had a _ route, almost everyone i spoke to had a personal— route, almost everyone i spoke to had a personal experience, - route, almost everyone i spoke to had a personal experience, a i had a personal experience, a personal— had a personal experience, a personal story _ had a personal experience, a personal story to— had a personal experience, a personal story to tell, - had a personal experience, a personal story to tell, and i had a personal experience, a i personal story to tell, and usually involving — personal story to tell, and usually involving the _ personal story to tell, and usually involving the monarch's _ personal story to tell, and usually involving the monarch's good i personal story to tell, and usually i involving the monarch's good humour, involving _ involving the monarch's good humour, involving sometimes _ involving the monarch's good humour, involving sometimes her— involving the monarch's good humour, involving sometimes her wit, - involving the monarch's good humour, involving sometimes her wit, and i involving sometimes her wit, and stories— involving sometimes her wit, and stories about _ involving sometimes her wit, and stories about her— involving sometimes her wit, and stories about her time _ involving sometimes her wit, and stories about her time in - involving sometimes her wit, and stories about her time in this i stories about her time in this village — stories about her time in this village of— stories about her time in this village of about _ stories about her time in this village of about 1400 - stories about her time in this village of about 1400 or- stories about her time in this village of about 1400 or so . stories about her time in this - village of about 1400 or so people. particularly— village of about 1400 or so people. particularly in — village of about 1400 or so people. particularly in 2015— village of about 1400 or so people. particularly in 2015 when _ village of about 1400 or so people. particularly in 2015 when there i village of about 1400 or so people. | particularly in 2015 when there were floods _ particularly in 2015 when there were floods here, — particularly in 2015 when there were floods here, there _ particularly in 2015 when there were floods here, there were _ particularly in 2015 when there were floods here, there were floods - particularly in 2015 when there were floods here, there were floods here| floods here, there were floods here in 2015, _ floods here, there were floods here in 2015, and — floods here, there were floods here in 2015, and the _ floods here, there were floods here in 2015, and the queen— floods here, there were floods here in 2015, and the queen came - floods here, there were floods here in 2015, and the queen came here i floods here, there were floods here| in 2015, and the queen came here a short— in 2015, and the queen came here a short time _ in 2015, and the queen came here a short time afterwards _ in 2015, and the queen came here a short time afterwards at _ in 2015, and the queen came here a short time afterwards at the - in 2015, and the queen came here a short time afterwards at the start i short time afterwards at the start of 2016. — short time afterwards at the start of 2016. and _ short time afterwards at the start of 2016, and really— short time afterwards at the start of 2016, and really people - short time afterwards at the start of 2016, and really people were l short time afterwards at the starti of 2016, and really people were so deeply— of 2016, and really people were so deeply impressed _ of 2016, and really people were so deeply impressed by— of 2016, and really people were so deeply impressed by how- of 2016, and really people were so deeply impressed by how much i of 2016, and really people were so i deeply impressed by how much concern she showed _ deeply impressed by how much concern she showed for— deeply impressed by how much concern she showed for this _ deeply impressed by how much concern she showed for this community. - deeply impressed by how much concern she showed for this community. i- she showed for this community. i spoke _ she showed for this community. i spoke to— she showed for this community. i spoke to people _ she showed for this community. i spoke to people who _ she showed for this community. i spoke to people who literally i she showed for this community. i spoke to people who literally had j spoke to people who literally had tears _ spoke to people who literally had tears in _ spoke to people who literally had tears in their— spoke to people who literally had tears in their eyes, _ spoke to people who literally had tears in their eyes, recalling i spoke to people who literally had | tears in their eyes, recalling their memories— tears in their eyes, recalling their memories of— tears in their eyes, recalling their memories of the _ tears in their eyes, recalling their memories of the queen, - tears in their eyes, recalling their memories of the queen, and i tears in their eyes, recalling their memories of the queen, and one| tears in their eyes, recalling their- memories of the queen, and one woman who worked _ memories of the queen, and one woman who worked on— memories of the queen, and one woman who worked on the — memories of the queen, and one woman who worked on the balmoral— memories of the queen, and one woman who worked on the balmoral estate - who worked on the balmoral estate telling _ who worked on the balmoral estate telling me — who worked on the balmoral estate telling me of— who worked on the balmoral estate telling me of her— who worked on the balmoral estate telling me of her concern— who worked on the balmoral estate telling me of her concern for- who worked on the balmoral estate telling me of her concern for the i telling me of her concern for the corgis _ telling me of her concern for the corgis and — telling me of her concern for the corgis and what _ telling me of her concern for the corgis and what would _ telling me of her concern for the corgis and what would happen i telling me of her concern for the| corgis and what would happen to telling me of her concern for the - corgis and what would happen to them now, corgis and what would happen to them now. how— corgis and what would happen to them now. how they, — corgis and what would happen to them now, how they, too, _ corgis and what would happen to them now, how they, too, would _ corgis and what would happen to them now, how they, too, would be - corgis and what would happen to them now, how they, too, would be missingj now, how they, too, would be missing the queen _ now, how they, too, would be missing the queen so — now, how they, too, would be missing the queen so it— now, how they, too, would be missing the queen. so it is— now, how they, too, would be missing the queen. so it is really— now, how they, too, would be missing the queen. so it is really a _ now, how they, too, would be missing the queen. so it is really a sense i the queen. so it is really a sense of a normal— the queen. so it is really a sense of a normal person, _ the queen. so it is really a sense of a normal person, which - the queen. so it is really a sense of a normal person, which of- the queen. so it is really a sense i of a normal person, which of course she wasn't— of a normal person, which of course she wasn't in— of a normal person, which of course she wasn't in any— of a normal person, which of course she wasn't in any meaningful- of a normal person, which of course| she wasn't in any meaningful sense. she was— she wasn't in any meaningful sense. she was one — she wasn't in any meaningful sense. she was one of— she wasn't in any meaningful sense. she was one of the _ she wasn't in any meaningful sense. she was one of the most _ she wasn't in any meaningful sense. | she was one of the most remarkable people _ she was one of the most remarkable people of— she was one of the most remarkable people of our— she was one of the most remarkable people of our age _ she was one of the most remarkable people of our age. but _ she was one of the most remarkable people of our age. but for _ she was one of the most remarkable people of our age. but for the - people of our age. but for the people — people of our age. but for the people here _ people of our age. but for the people here she _ people of our age. but for the people here she was- people of our age. but for the i people here she was relatively, people of our age. but for the - people here she was relatively, and i people here she was relatively, and lwouldn't _ people here she was relatively, and lwouldn't like — people here she was relatively, and i wouldn't like to _ people here she was relatively, and i wouldn't like to overstate - people here she was relatively, and i wouldn't like to overstate this, i i wouldn't like to overstate this, she iwouldn't like to overstate this, she was— i wouldn't like to overstate this, she was relatively _ i wouldn't like to overstate this, she was relatively normal - i wouldn't like to overstate this, she was relatively normal and l i wouldn't like to overstate this, i she was relatively normal and the sense _ she was relatively normal and the sense that — she was relatively normal and the sense that she _ she was relatively normal and the sense that she was _ she was relatively normal and the sense that she was a _ she was relatively normal and the sense that she was a neighbour, i she was relatively normal and the i sense that she was a neighbour, she could _ sense that she was a neighbour, she could come — sense that she was a neighbour, she could come here _ sense that she was a neighbour, she could come here and _ sense that she was a neighbour, she could come here and she _ sense that she was a neighbour, she could come here and she wouldn't. sense that she was a neighbour, she | could come here and she wouldn't be troubled _ could come here and she wouldn't be troubled if— could come here and she wouldn't be troubled if she — could come here and she wouldn't be troubled if she did, _ could come here and she wouldn't be troubled if she did, and _ could come here and she wouldn't be troubled if she did, and people - could come here and she wouldn't be troubled if she did, and people had l troubled if she did, and people had a great _ troubled if she did, and people had a great deal— troubled if she did, and people had a great deal of— troubled if she did, and people had a great deal of respect _ troubled if she did, and people had a great deal of respect and - a great deal of respect and affection _ a great deal of respect and affection for— a great deal of respect and affection for her. _ a great deal of respect and affection for her.— a great deal of respect and affection for her. . . , , , affection for her. and it was deeply oi . nant affection for her. and it was deeply poignant that _ affection for her. and it was deeply poignant that she _ affection for her. and it was deeply poignant that she did _ affection for her. and it was deeply poignant that she did pass - affection for her. and it was deeply poignant that she did pass away i affection for her. and it was deeply poignant that she did pass away at | poignant that she did pass away at balmoral so that they could have this opportunity to say goodbye to someone who was so beloved in that area. , ~' someone who was so beloved in that area. , ~ ., .,, , area. yes, i think that has been extremely _ area. yes, i think that has been extremely important _ area. yes, i think that has been extremely important for - area. yes, i think that has been extremely important for people | area. yes, i think that has been i extremely important for people here to be able _ extremely important for people here to be able to — extremely important for people here to be able to do— extremely important for people here to be able to do so,, _ extremely important for people here to be able to do so,, i— extremely important for people here to be able to do so,, i think- extremely important for people here to be able to do so,, i think it - to be able to do so,, i think it mattered _ to be able to do so,, i think it mattered a _ to be able to do so,, i think it mattered a great _ to be able to do so,, i think it mattered a great deal- to be able to do so,, i think it mattered a great deal when . to be able to do so,, i think it . mattered a great deal when she to be able to do so,, i think it - mattered a great deal when she died and i mattered a great deal when she died and i think— mattered a great deal when she died and i think people _ mattered a great deal when she died and i think people here _ mattered a great deal when she died and i think people here were - mattered a great deal when she died and i think people here were proud l and i think people here were proud of their— and i think people here were proud of their association _ and i think people here were proud of their association with _ and i think people here were proud of their association with the - of their association with the monarchy, _ of their association with the monarchy, dating _ of their association with the monarchy, dating back- of their association with the monarchy, dating back to l of their association with the i monarchy, dating back to queen victoria — monarchy, dating back to queen victoria you _ monarchy, dating back to queen victoria. you don't— monarchy, dating back to queen victoria. you don'tjust - monarchy, dating back to queen victoria. you don'tjust hear- victoria. you don'tjust hear stories— victoria. you don'tjust hear stories about _ victoria. you don'tjust hear stories about queen - victoria. you don'tjust hear. stories about queen elizabeth victoria. you don'tjust hear- stories about queen elizabeth here, you hear— stories about queen elizabeth here, you hear stories _ stories about queen elizabeth here, you hear stories when _ stories about queen elizabeth here, you hear stories when you _ stories about queen elizabeth here, you hear stories when you talk- stories about queen elizabeth here, you hear stories when you talk to i you hear stories when you talk to people _ you hear stories when you talk to people of— you hear stories when you talk to people of queen _ you hear stories when you talk to people of queen victoria - you hear stories when you talk to people of queen victoria and i you hear stories when you talk to i people of queen victoria and people mentioning — people of queen victoria and people mentioning things— people of queen victoria and people mentioning things that _ people of queen victoria and people mentioning things that they- people of queen victoria and people mentioning things that they heard . mentioning things that they heard passed _ mentioning things that they heard passed down— mentioning things that they heard passed down that _ mentioning things that they heard passed down that she _ mentioning things that they heard passed down that she reportedly. mentioning things that they heard i passed down that she reportedly said when she _ passed down that she reportedly said when she was— passed down that she reportedly said when she was in— passed down that she reportedly said when she was in the _ passed down that she reportedly said when she was in the village, - passed down that she reportedly said when she was in the village, a - passed down that she reportedly said when she was in the village, a house| when she was in the village, a house that she _ when she was in the village, a house that she liked. — when she was in the village, a house that she liked, so— when she was in the village, a house that she liked, so it _ when she was in the village, a house that she liked, so it really— when she was in the village, a house that she liked, so it really is - when she was in the village, a house that she liked, so it really is a - that she liked, so it really is a long _ that she liked, so it really is a long relationship— that she liked, so it really is a long relationship that - that she liked, so it really is a long relationship that goes i that she liked, so it really is a. long relationship that goes way that she liked, so it really is a - long relationship that goes way back to the _ long relationship that goes way back to the 1850s — long relationship that goes way back to the 1850s when _ long relationship that goes way back to the 1850s when the _ long relationship that goes way back to the 1850s when the balmoral i to the 1850s when the balmoral castle _ to the 1850s when the balmoral castle was _ to the 1850s when the balmoral castle was built _ to the 1850s when the balmoral castle was built for— to the 1850s when the balmoral castle was built for queen - to the 1850s when the balmoral i castle was built for queen victoria on this— castle was built for queen victoria on this 50,000 _ castle was built for queen victoria on this 50,000 acres _ castle was built for queen victoria on this 50,000 acres estate. i i castle was built for queen victoria i on this 50,000 acres estate. i would 'ust on this 50,000 acres estate. i would just like _ on this 50,000 acres estate. i would just like to _ on this 50,000 acres estate. i would just like to say — on this 50,000 acres estate. i would just like to say royal— on this 50,000 acres estate. i would just like to say royal deeside - on this 50,000 acres estate. i would just like to say royal deeside is i just like to say royal deeside is not scotland _ just like to say royal deeside is not scotland in _ just like to say royal deeside is not scotland in miniature, - just like to say royal deeside is not scotland in miniature, thati not scotland in miniature, that there _ not scotland in miniature, that there are — not scotland in miniature, that there are other— not scotland in miniature, that there are other parts— not scotland in miniature, that there are other parts of- not scotland in miniature, that there are other parts of the i not scotland in miniature, that i there are other parts of the country that have _ there are other parts of the country that have a — there are other parts of the country that have a very— there are other parts of the country that have a very different _ that have a very different relationship _ that have a very different relationship with- that have a very different relationship with the i that have a very different - relationship with the monarchy, that have a very different _ relationship with the monarchy, and indeed _ relationship with the monarchy, and indeed that— relationship with the monarchy, and indeed that there _ relationship with the monarchy, and indeed that there is _ relationship with the monarchy, and indeed that there is a _ relationship with the monarchy, and indeed that there is a lot _ relationship with the monarchy, and indeed that there is a lot of- indeed that there is a lot of polling _ indeed that there is a lot of polling evidence _ indeed that there is a lot of polling evidence that - indeed that there is a lot of| polling evidence that across scotland _ polling evidence that across scotland the _ polling evidence that across scotland the monarchy i polling evidence that across scotland the monarchy is i polling evidence that across - scotland the monarchy is relatively not as _ scotland the monarchy is relatively not as popular— scotland the monarchy is relatively not as popular here _ scotland the monarchy is relatively not as popular here as _ scotland the monarchy is relatively not as popular here as it _ scotland the monarchy is relatively not as popular here as it is - scotland the monarchy is relatively not as popular here as it is in - not as popular here as it is in england _ not as popular here as it is in england i_ not as popular here as it is in england iwas— not as popular here as it is in england. i was speaking i not as popular here as it is in england. i was speaking to. not as popular here as it is in. england. i was speaking to the polling — england. i was speaking to the polling expert _ england. i was speaking to the polling expert professor - england. i was speaking to the polling expert professor sir. england. i was speaking to the i polling expert professor sirjohn curtice _ polling expert professor sirjohn curtice recently— polling expert professor sirjohn curtice recently who _ polling expert professor sirjohn curtice recently who said - polling expert professor sirjohn curtice recently who said it i polling expert professor sirjohn curtice recently who said it is i curtice recently who said it is consistently _ curtice recently who said it is consistently over _ curtice recently who said it is consistently over 50% - curtice recently who said it isl consistently over 50% support curtice recently who said it is i consistently over 50% support for the monarchy in _ consistently over 50% support for the monarchy in england, - consistently over 50% support for the monarchy in england, quite . the monarchy in england, quite significantly— the monarchy in england, quite significantly over, and - the monarchy in england, quite significantly over, and it - the monarchy in england, quite significantly over, and it is- the monarchy in england, quitei significantly over, and it is under 50% _ significantly over, and it is under 50% in _ significantly over, and it is under 50% in scotland, _ significantly over, and it is under 50% in scotland, and _ significantly over, and it is under 50% in scotland, and that - significantly over, and it is under 50% in scotland, and that is- significantly over, and it is under 50% in scotland, and that is not| 50% in scotland, and that is not disrespectful— 50% in scotland, and that is not disrespectful to _ 50% in scotland, and that is not disrespectful to discuss - 50% in scotland, and that is not disrespectful to discuss this - 50% in scotland, and that is not. disrespectful to discuss this when we are _ disrespectful to discuss this when we are talking, _ disrespectful to discuss this when we are talking, i— disrespectful to discuss this when we are talking, i don't _ disrespectful to discuss this when we are talking, i don't think, - disrespectful to discuss this when. we are talking, i don't think, about the monarch— we are talking, i don't think, about the monarch and _ we are talking, i don't think, about the monarch and her— we are talking, i don't think, about the monarch and her death, - we are talking, i don't think, about the monarch and her death, but. we are talking, i don't think, about the monarch and her death, but i l the monarch and her death, but i thihk_ the monarch and her death, but i think it _ the monarch and her death, but i think it is — the monarch and her death, but i think it is worth _ the monarch and her death, but i think it is worth reflecting. - the monarch and her death, but i think it is worth reflecting.- think it is worth reflecting. thank ou. just think it is worth reflecting. thank you. just struck, _ think it is worth reflecting. thank you. just struck, watching - think it is worth reflecting. thank you. just struck, watching these l you. just struck, watching these pictures, by the fact that at every possible point along the route where people can turn out, they have, and you see at the end of every driveway there are people standing there, and it does feel like as many people as are there have turned out for this moment in history, this moment to say thank you, this moment to say goodbye to a queen who served for 70 years. a young woman when she ascended to the throne. it hadn't been a position she would have expected from birth, herfather was not expected to be king, but the course of history was changed when edward, the monarch, left the throne having married wallis simpson, and then the baton of history was passed on to queen elizabeth, and then for 70 years she served as queen working right up to her death at balmoral, and there, people on horseback as she goes by, that felt very special, seeing that. that presumably is a local pony club and again, we are seeing pavements packed, and these are not big populations, this is peterculter, these are not tourist towns. the people we are seeing hear other people we are seeing hear other people who live there, and standing as the queen goes past. find people who live there, and standing as the queen goes past.— people who live there, and standing as the queen goes past. and there is some clapping _ as the queen goes past. and there is some clapping there, _ as the queen goes past. and there is some clapping there, but _ as the queen goes past. and there is some clapping there, but generally, | some clapping there, but generally, people are standing there with their own thoughts. we have seen a few flowers thrown into the path of the vehicle, but it is mostlyjust a really sombre moment as people in their own heads thinking their own thoughts, sharing their gratitude for what she has done. we thoughts, sharing their gratitude for what she has done.— for what she has done. we were sa in: for what she has done. we were saying earlier — for what she has done. we were saying earlier that _ for what she has done. we were saying earlier that people - for what she has done. we were saying earlier that people have. for what she has done. we were - saying earlier that people have been asked not to throw flowers, specifically, because of the difficulty of clearing the road, but respectful applause is what we are seeing, and i expect we will see more when we enter bigger cities. let's bring in annita mcveigh who is at balmoral. you shared with us that moment at ten o'clock this morning when the hearse carrying the queen's coffin emerged from those gates, and it was such a sad moment to see that. joanna, it was, and what struck me most was the simplicity of it, the hearse carrying the coffin draped in the standard of scotland, and a single wreath on top of it. and it will be a huge contrast to the solemn splendour of the state funeral when that happens in london, and we will be given some details of that wreath, the flowers, fir and pine, and all of it cut in the gardens and around balmoral, and of course this was where the queen felt most at home, everyone says, that simplicity reflecting the simplicity of the life that she led here, that the royal family leave here, and i spoke to the reverend david barr who is the minister of the church in the centre of ballater, and he said this to me. he said when the queen came to me. he said when the queen came to balmoral, metaphorically she hung her crown on the main gates, and here she was simply a wife, a mother and later a grandmother and great—grandmother, it was a place where she could truly relax and feel free, and although we did see just five days ago those pictures of the queen with liz truss, a moment of duty, still performing her duties two days before her death, and i think that is why so many people have said to me, it doesn't seem real. this morning they were saying it doesn't seem real, and before we saw those images, even though she was 96 and we knew she was frail, and she looked frail in these photographs and there were concerns about her health, but it did come as about her health, but it did come as a surprise to hear the news on thursday that doctors were worried about her health, and to hear members of the family were rushing to be here, but i think then that moment when we saw the hearse carrying the coffin emerge, that was something that was really tangible, and really bringing home to people the death of the queen, and also what that death represents,, having been monarch for 70 years,, and the reverend were saying to me that she has been a constant, politicians have come and gone but she has been a constant through times of turbulence and different prime ministers, and this long, slow, respectfuljourney ministers, and this long, slow, respectful journey allowing ministers, and this long, slow, respectfuljourney allowing people to see the coffin will really start to see the coffin will really start to bring home to people the passing of the queen. annita, thank you. we are continuing to watch the queen's cortege as it continues to make it solemn journey down from balmoral where it started out at ten o'clock this morning, wending its way slowly across 170 miles of scottish countryside to edinburgh. and let mejust take miles of scottish countryside to edinburgh. and let me just take you to edinburgh for edinburgh. and let me just take you to edinburghfora edinburgh. and let me just take you to edinburgh for a moment, because edinburgh takes centre stage later when the coffin carrying queen elizabeth will arrive there, this journey expected to take about six hours, and before that there will be two public ceremonies heralding the new king charles iii in edinburgh, and we can show you the scene where we are expecting to hear that proclamation of charles as the new king, and as you would expect, some ceremony there, the pomp and pageantry. all of these events, the p°mpr pageantry. all of these events, the pomp, the pageantry, the ceremony, the constitutional matters, and also the constitutional matters, and also the people. and there is the first minister, nicola sturgeon, surrounded by other dignitaries as they await that moment when his majesty the king is formally declared head of state. this is all part of the process. yesterday at st james's palace in london, his majesty was formally declared head of state, and we have seen similar proclamations in commonwealth nations, and they will be happening across the nations of the united kingdom. and this happening as the cortege carrying the queen continues, and all along the route we are seeing people standing at the end of their driveways, standing alongside the road, wherever they can get to, to pay their respects to the queen. i'm speaking to martin geissler, my colleague who was saying these are not heavily populated areas, and it does seem that almost every person in these small towns has turned out to pay their respects. the next big stop that there will be will be aberdeen, and that will be an opportunity for many more to turn out and pay their respects, but there is this sense that it respects, but there is this sense thatitis respects, but there is this sense that it is a moment where people can show their gratitude for someone who was such a known figure in the area. she was known globally, but perhaps in a different way, because this was somewhere, balmoral, where she and the rest of the royal family, could effectively live an almost normal life in the seclusion of that environment where they were known, they were just, it seems, treated as members of the community, in particular in the local town where it was said they could be seen going about doing their shopping duties, going to the butchers, it is hard to imagine when we see the life that the royals live, that that is indeed apparently what they would do, that the queen would go to the butcher's, and one anecdote you may well have been heard, it is not mine to tell, but i will summarise it, because it is a lovely anecdote, and it illustrates the life that she led there at balmoral, and it was that she was out on a picnic with one of her trusted people from balmoral, they were walking and sought two american tourists who were delighted to see some people there, and said i gather the queen lives near here, and they didn't recognise her, they ended up taking a picture with her, and apparently she said as they went off, i can't wait until they show that picture to their friends back home and they realise they did actually meet the queen, which is what they had been hoping to do, and they didn't realise they had done it. so a modest account of how down—to—earth she could be, and also that sense of humour. with me, frank gardner, our security correspondent. i know that you have lots of memories you want to share of the queen. . . . memories you want to share of the queen. . .,, my memories you want to share of the queen. , .,, . ., ., queen. yes, i was lucky enough to meet her on _ queen. yes, i was lucky enough to meet her on several _ queen. yes, i was lucky enough to meet her on several occasions, - queen. yes, i was lucky enough to | meet her on several occasions, and what always struck me is what an extraordinarily good listener she was. she wasn't going through the motions, she was genuinely interested in people, so she gave me my 0be for services to journalism backin my 0be for services to journalism back in 2005, and i was staggering along with my calipers and frame because i had been shot the year before, and she inquired after my health and whether it was permanent, and she said, very gallant of you to make the effort to stand up here, which was lovely. years later i was part of a charity and i met her at windsor, and i said, do you realise, your majesty, that you gave me my 0be exactly 50 years after you gave my grandfather at his 0be for services to forestry in 1955. think of that, same sovereign. and she said, tell me about it! there was a twinkle in her eye. and i think often up until recently, people have perhaps laboured under the misapprehension that she is this sort of rather austere, remote person. quite the opposite. she had a really keen sense of humour, and just to be clear, i clear these anecdotes with the palace. you run into some trouble _ anecdotes with the palace. you run into some trouble before, - anecdotes with the palace. you run into some trouble before, didn't i into some trouble before, didn't you? into some trouble before, didn't ou? �* . into some trouble before, didn't ou? �* , ., ., into some trouble before, didn't ou? �*, ., ., . ., you? let's not go there. i cleared it with the — you? let's not go there. i cleared it with the palace, _ you? let's not go there. i cleared it with the palace, and _ you? let's not go there. i cleared it with the palace, and they - you? let's not go there. i cleared it with the palace, and they are l it with the palace, and they are happy for me to be counted on this occasion. and i was lucky enough to have lunch with her in the palace, there were other people present, and we were discussing the middle east and oman, and the sultan who was on the throne, i think this was 2008. and she said, i rather like the previous sultan, but i suppose he grew out of touch with people and was replaced by his son. and grew out of touch with people and was replaced by his son.— was replaced by his son. and that humour that _ was replaced by his son. and that humour that you _ was replaced by his son. and that humour that you had _ was replaced by his son. and that humour that you had the - was replaced by his son. and that humour that you had the chance i was replaced by his son. and that. humour that you had the chance to experience at first hand, many had the privilege to share it first hand. as we havejust the privilege to share it first hand. as we have just alluded to, the privilege to share it first hand. as we havejust alluded to, a lot cannot be shared, the audience is that the prime ministers had with the queen. , . is that the prime ministers had with the queen. , , ., ., the queen. they must forever remain secret. the queen. they must forever remain secret- exactly. _ the queen. they must forever remain secret. exactly, it— the queen. they must forever remain secret. exactly, it is— the queen. they must forever remain secret. exactly, it is an _ the queen. they must forever remain secret. exactly, it is an important - secret. exactly, it is an important thin for secret. exactly, it is an important thing for the _ secret. exactly, it is an important thing for the prime _ secret. exactly, it is an important thing for the prime minister - secret. exactly, it is an important thing for the prime minister to i secret. exactly, it is an important thing for the prime minister to be able to have that privilege of being able to have that privilege of being able to have that privilege of being able to speak privately. but also there are a lot of anecdotes that are shared, and also we have the things that were on display for all of us, those moments that for instance the filming with paddington.— instance the filming with paddington. instance the filming with paddinuton. . . . instance the filming with paddinuton. . , . ., paddington. just brilliant! i have to sa , i paddington. just brilliant! i have to say. i think — paddington. just brilliant! i have to say, i think of _ paddington. just brilliant! i have to say, i think of all _ paddington. just brilliant! i have to say, i think of all the - paddington. just brilliant! i have i to say, i think of all the messages and photographs posted, the one that brings a tear, i think, to many people's eyes, is the one that many people's eyes, is the one that many people have said that there was a little wrap sandwich for later. i little wrap sandwich for later. i can't watch that enough. it did | can't watch that enough. it did remind us. — can't watch that enough. it did remind us, and _ can't watch that enough. it did remind us, and it— can't watch that enough. it did remind us, and it is— can't watch that enough. it did remind us, and it is so - can't watch that enough. it did remind us, and it is so nice, . can't watch that enough. it did - remind us, and it is so nice, frank, to hear— remind us, and it is so nice, frank, to heare— remind us, and it is so nice, frank, to heara funny— remind us, and it is so nice, frank, to hear a funny story, because everyone — to hear a funny story, because everyone says, she had a wonderful sense _ everyone says, she had a wonderful sense of— everyone says, she had a wonderful sense of humour, and then there is a sort of— sense of humour, and then there is a sort of silence, and we don't hear the joke — sort of silence, and we don't hear the joke. and i think what the paddington episode along with the james _ paddington episode along with the james bond episode earlier in 2012 showed _ james bond episode earlier in 2012 showed us, the general public, a sort of— showed us, the general public, a sort of experience the royal family had privately, that she was a great mimic _ had privately, that she was a great mimic we — had privately, that she was a great mimic. we heard earlier on laura kuenssberg's programme, we had gordon— kuenssberg's programme, we had gordon brown chuckling over the fact that she _ gordon brown chuckling over the fact that she liked to imitate his scottish— that she liked to imitate his scottish accent brilliantly. not to him apparently, but he had heard of it. him apparently, but he had heard of it and _ him apparently, but he had heard of it and you — him apparently, but he had heard of it. and you were saying, joanna, the essence _ it. and you were saying, joanna, the essence of— it. and you were saying, joanna, the essence of her constitutionaljob essence of her constitutional job meant _ essence of her constitutionaljob meant that these possibly contentious or human stories had to remain— contentious or human stories had to remain silent until later, because the solemn and ultimately crucial thing _ the solemn and ultimately crucial thing that— the solemn and ultimately crucial thing that she did was to be our representative, an independent and nonpolitical head of state, while the politicians squabbled about the rest of _ the politicians squabbled about the rest of life. a the politicians squabbled about the rest of life. �* , . . the politicians squabbled about the rest of life. . , . . ., rest of life. a very human human who transcended — rest of life. a very human human who transcended us _ rest of life. a very human human who transcended us all. _ rest of life. a very human human who transcended us all. let's _ rest of life. a very human human who transcended us all. let's go _ rest of life. a very human human who transcended us all. let's go back- rest of life. a very human human who transcended us all. let's go back to i transcended us all. let's go back to edinburgh, and this is where we are awaiting one of the ceremonial moments. this is going to be the proclamation of king charles as the new monarch. of course, he was king from the moment his mother died, but there is the constitutional matter of those proclamations of him as king, and we've been seeing these proclamations rolling out in london at st james's palace there was the proclamation yesterday, there have subsequently been proclamations in a number of commonwealth countries, new zealand, canada, australia amongst them, and those will continue, and they are happening in all the nations of the united kingdom. there are also actually proclamations across the counties of this country as well. robert, tell us a bit more about why these have to happen, because obviously he became king immediately, but this is about constitutional matters, and that handover.— that handover. yes, because the queen and _ that handover. yes, because the queen and now _ that handover. yes, because the queen and now king _ that handover. yes, because the queen and now king charles - that handover. yes, because the queen and now king charles our| that handover. yes, because the - queen and now king charles our head of state. _ queen and now king charles our head of state, and notjust queen and now king charles our head of state, and not just of the component parts of the united kingdom, but of i think it is now 14 reatms _ kingdom, but of i think it is now 14 realms around the world. i think most _ realms around the world. i think most people are familiar with the commonwealth, the 50 or so nations that make _ commonwealth, the 50 or so nations that make up what we now call the family— that make up what we now call the family of— that make up what we now call the family of nations, the former cotonies. _ family of nations, the former colonies, 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in edinburgh. whereat it has pleased almighty god to - proclamation in edinburgh. whereat it has pleased almighty god to call. it has pleased almighty god to call to his mercy our late sovereign queen elizabeth ii of blessing glorious memory, by whose decease the crown of the united kingdom of great britain and northern ireland is solely and rightfully come to the prince charles philip arthur george, we therefore, lords spiritual and temporal of this realm, and members of the house of commons, together with other members of her late majesty's privy council, her representatives of the realms and territories, aldermen citizens of london and others, do now hereby with one voice and consent of tongue and heart publish and proclaim that the prince charles philip arthur george is now by the death of our late sovereign, happy of memory, become our only lawful and rightful leader lord charles iii. by the grace of god of the united kingdom of great britain and northern ireland, and of his other realms and territories, king, head of the commonwealth, defender of the faith, to whom we do acknowledge all faith and obedience with humble affection, beseeching god by whom kings and queens to reign to bless his majesty with long and happy years to reign over us, given at stjames's palace on the tenth day of september and in the year of our lord 2022. fanfare god save the king. fanfare national anthem three cheers for his majesty the king. gun salute fire! gun salute and there was the 21 gun salute after the official proclamation in edinburgh and now we see the outriders arriving in aberdeen where the cortege is imminently going to be arriving and we can see a large crowd gathered there, some holding flags aloft. and silence, really, otherwise. so much respect being shown along the route. this 170 mile route that is being driven that would normally take around three hours or so. there we see the hearse with the coffin carrying the queen. moving slowly. so that all of those who have turned out to show their respects have that opportunity. and along the way we have seen so many people turning out in areas that have small populations and at points it has felt like all the houses were empty. as the people turned out. it is a clear but sad day to see the coffin carrying the queen transported initially to edinburgh and subsequently to be taken to london. forthe and subsequently to be taken to london. for the state funeral that will happen on the 19th of september. let us go to windsor which is where the queen was in residence prior to going to her home in mac and our correspondent duncan kennedy is there. duncan. the incredible _ kennedy is there. duncan. the incredible scenes _ kennedy is there. duncan. lie: incredible scenes we have kennedy is there. duncan. ii9 incredible scenes we have witnessed incredible scenes we have witnessed in edinburgh are about to be repeated here in windsor on a much more intimate level. whereas you had the white city of edinburgh are coming together, here it is the small town of windsor, population 30,000, it have doubled or trebled by what the local council are telling us. they are asking people to stay away at the moment, it is so crowded for the proclamation and the continuation of the laying of the flowers at the gates of windsor castle. the proclamation is taking place behind me at the statue of queen victoria. much more intimate. ever since the original proclamation yesterday at st james's palace, it is like a stone has dropped in a pond and the concentric circles of the proclamations are reverberating throughout the country, big places like edinburgh, smaller places like here in windsor. we had the local mayor here, who made the opening remarks, then the town crier, he will make the same speech you have heard in edinburgh ending with the words, god save the king. then we will have the royal household cavalry playing the national anthem and then again, as you hurt in edinburgh there, there will be three cheers, god save the king. a small ceremony taking place over the course of ten or 15 minutes and then the town bursting into life almost a tester in lowell being organised such are the numbers here and will continue from the statute ceremony to the long walk where people are laying down their flowers, to the long walk where people are laying down theirflowers, their paddington bear, the scene yesterday of the extraordinary moments when the duke and duchess of sussex, william and kate, came out much to everybody�*s surprise, people are still talking about that this morning. they could not believe that they had come together to mark the occasion of the passing of the queen. they saw them go into the crowd, some people i met this morning were here yesterday, they had shaken the hand of meghan, another had taken a photograph of william and kate as they went past. right across the country, these proclamations and in various places, particularly focal points like here in windsor, the laying of the flowers which continues day in, day out. i would estimate 1000 people every five minutes according to one of the officials are filing past the cambridge gate which is on the other side of the castle to lay their flowers, they are being asked to move on quite simply and think about what they are saying, pause for a moment to reflect and to move on and let others take their place. remarkable scenes from all the way up remarkable scenes from all the way up in edinburgh right down to here in berkshire as the commemorations, the memorial services, the remembrance of the queen take place across the country.— across the country. duncan, thank ou ve across the country. duncan, thank you very much. — across the country. duncan, thank you very much, windsor, - across the country. duncan, thank you very much, windsor, of - across the country. duncan, thank i you very much, windsor, of course, across the country. duncan, thank . you very much, windsor, of course, a place so important for the queen, windsor castle and environment where she was known well of being a resident. this is one of the other key residences, buckingham palace, the royal standard flying at full mast over the palace, the flags lining the mall, and that is a place where the people have been coming also in their thousands and thousands to pay their respects, the notice announcing the passing of the queen was put on the gates of buckingham palace and people have been coming their international to put flowers on the railings, the gates, on the pathway in front of the palace, all around the fountain but they have been subsequently moved across to a flower garden which is off to the right on this picture, green park, and that is where there is effectively now in a garden of remembrance with thousands and thousands of tributes and duncan was mentioning paddington bear, paddington bear has been left behind. there are photographs that people have put of themselves with the queen because across that 70 year reign, so many people in this country have met the queen, may have a direct link through one way or another with someone for whom she was important, perhaps they have a link to someone who worked on one of the residences. i can talk now to someone who is in this position, a businessman from ballater and organiser of the palate are platinum jubilee a direct connection for youth with the queen in that your mother worked as a cleaner at balmoral and your father worked on the estate in the 19705? yes. balmoral and your father worked on the estate in the 1970s?— the estate in the 1970s? yes, my mother worked _ the estate in the 1970s? yes, my mother worked for _ the estate in the 1970s? yes, my mother worked for two _ the estate in the 1970s? yes, my mother worked for two or - the estate in the 1970s? yes, my mother worked for two or three i mother worked for two or three seasons in the castle in the 705 but my father worked in the estate in the early 19505, in the gardens at balmoral as well, there is a connection way back then. she balmoral as well, there is a connection way back then. she is our queen, connection way back then. she is our queen. she — connection way back then. she is our queen. she is _ connection way back then. she is our queen, she is to _ connection way back then. she is our queen, she is to so _ connection way back then. she is our queen, she is to so many _ connection way back then. she is our queen, she is to so many people - queen, she is to so many people something that the new on a more personal level, i suppose. something that the new on a more personal level, isuppose. how something that the new on a more personal level, i suppose. how do you feel about your relationship with the queen and your encounters over the years, not only with the queen, but new works with our new king, king charles iii. it is queen, but new works with our new king, king charles iii.— king, king charles iii. it is a very ersonal king, king charles iii. it is a very personal thing — king, king charles iii. it is a very personal thing in _ king, king charles iii. it is a very personalthing in ballater- king, king charles iii. it is a very personal thing in ballater and . personal thing in ballater and appear on the site, many people work on the estate, they have got regular contact with the royal family and many people will have known the queen personally and even our involvement in the village with the contract we have had with the queen and the royal family is very special. it has become a personal loss. you will find that the emotions of people are very high. they have all got their own personal stories to remember and they will cherish them more now. yes, the mood here has been quite emotional, people have found it in the next few days the real loss of the queen. fiend days the real loss of the queen. and we saw, days the real loss of the queen. and we saw. we — days the real loss of the queen. and we saw. we are _ days the real loss of the queen. and we saw, we are seeing the cortege as it moves so slowly to allow people to pay their respects. and there is absolute silence as we see the cortege pass through. can you describe what it felt like to be there? . :, :, , there? there were a lot of people in ballater there? there were a lot of people in lzeallater this — there? there were a lot of people in ballater this morning _ there? there were a lot of people in ballater this morning waiting - there? there were a lot of people in ballater this morning waiting for- ballater this morning waiting for the cortege and i am not sure any of us knew what to expect. it was a strange feeling. i have to say, the village fell silent a few minutes before the cortege arrived, almost sensing something. the silence as it passed through was incredible. i think that is a true reflection of the sincerity of everyone who was there and how they were feeling as she passed by it for the last time. you spoke of the personal moments that you had one of those in 2015 when there was a terrible time for ballater, hit by floods and the queen came into your shop. yes. ballater, hit by floods and the queen came into your shop. yes, the sho was queen came into your shop. yes, the shop was badly _ queen came into your shop. yes, the shop was badly damaged _ queen came into your shop. yes, the shop was badly damaged in _ queen came into your shop. yes, the shop was badly damaged in the - queen came into your shop. yes, the | shop was badly damaged in the flood, many shops along the main street where damaged, in a few months later she came to the village to offer her support and thank a lot of people who had helped during the floods. she came into the shop to talk to my wife and i, and it was a very remarkable occasion for us obviously. our nurse disappeared the minute she stepped into the door and started to chat with us, she was genuinely concerned and caring about how we had managed to cope after the flood. she walked through the village that day with conversations with many people to give the village is real left and that is why she came, to show her support. it was a nice moment, and a lot of people will cherish it and remember it well. yes, she has done a lot in this area for us.— this area for us. thank you very much indeed. _ this area for us. thank you very much indeed. sharing - this area for us. thank you very much indeed. sharing some - this area for us. thank you very much indeed. sharing some of| this area for us. thank you very - much indeed. sharing some of your memories that you will cherish. we are watching pictures coming to us live from edinburgh castle. we have been watching the ceremony of the proclamation which is the moment when scotland has proclaimed king charles iii as monarch. sarah smith is in edinburgh.— is in edinburgh. hello, we have heard the _ is in edinburgh. hello, we have heard the proclamation - is in edinburgh. hello, we have heard the proclamation rate - is in edinburgh. hello, we have l heard the proclamation rate once is in edinburgh. hello, we have - heard the proclamation rate once and the lord lion is making his way up to the drawbridge at edinburgh castle where king charles will be proclaimed the sovereign and you will see some more of that ceremony. he has been sovereign since his mother died but this is the official moment when the people of scotland are informed that charles has become their king. you can see how deep the crowds well on the royal mile at the ceremony earlier today. they will be lining the whole of that street which runs from edinburgh castle which runs from edinburgh castle which is one mile long to the old town to holyrood house to the palace which was of course the queen's official residence in edinburgh and will now be king charles�*s residence. he is not here at the moment. king charles and queen consort camilla will be making their way up tomorrow but we understand the other senior members of the royal family who were at balmoral public there now and we have seen a helicopter arrived already which could have been carrying members of the royal family as they gather at the royal family as they gather at the palace of holyrood house. at four o'clock we are expecting the hearse carrying the queen's offered to arrive in edinburgh, coming through the streets which have been lined with crash barriers because they are expecting large crowds to watch the coffin processed through the streets of edinburgh. the political leaders of scotland will be in front of the holyrood parliament, the first minister and the party leaders will be there to pay their respects as the hearse goes into the palace of holyrood house which is opposite the scottish parliament. it will stay there overnight before the ceremony start again tomorrow. there will be a procession from the palace back up the royal mile to st giles' cathedral, king charles will be following on foot behind the hearse and other members of the royal family in vehicles and they will go to st giles' cathedral where there will be a service of remembrance. after that, the queen will lie in state for 24 hours we are members of the can pay their respects in the cathedral before she moved to london. :. ~ cathedral before she moved to london. :, ,, , :, cathedral before she moved to london. :. ~' , :, , cathedral before she moved to london. :, ,, , : cathedral before she moved to london. :. ~' , :, , : . london. thank you very much, that description — london. thank you very much, that description of _ london. thank you very much, that description of what _ london. thank you very much, that description of what will _ london. thank you very much, that description of what will be - description of what will be happening in the days ahead and also what is happening today. one of those proclamation ceremony is being held in cardiff and this is the scene from there. the proclamation ceremony at cardiff castle. as mentioned, one of several that has been happening across the united kingdom at the same time. also in northern ireland and yesterday we had the ceremony in london. and there have been ceremonies across commonwealth nations. on friday, king charles will be visiting wales as monarch, visiting cardiff with queen consort camilla as part of a tour of the nations of the united kingdom ahead of the funeral of his mother on the 19th of september. this is the scene in cardiff, cardiff castle, 2000 members of the public were invited to attend the ceremony. people could apply on a first—come first—served basis and there are dignitaries in attendance for the ceremony. at which the first minister mark drakeford calls upon wales herald thomas lloyd or pe to read the proclamation in english and will subsequently be read in welsh. followed by a 21 gun salute as we also saw in edinburgh. and then the national anthem. they are preparing for that 21 gun salute. all of these events part of a very well organised roll out of the key moments that happen on the passing of one monarch and the handing over to the new monarch from the elizabethan era to the carolean era. so many people turning out to see these historic events unfolding. as one person round the table who was alive when the queen came to the throne, i have vague memories of these things happening at the accession of queen elizabeth ii but there are two things that are different, one is the popular participation in all of these events now as opposed to then. and made possible of course by television but i think reflecting personal tributes to what people feel to this queen. the other is the slight sense of danger, back in 1950 —— 1952, there was no thought the british isles would split up, there was no talk of devolution, there were football matches between england and scotland and everybody took sides, but the idea... two things, i suppose, and everybody took sides, but the idea... two things, isuppose, the idea... two things, isuppose, the idea that by the end of the next century, there would be... britain would be divided and kept together through in your system, all these have so much more importance. it did not occur to us then. but it is the queen and i would venture to say the royal family and king charles iii who within this experience of separation maintain togetherness. it is the same thing that happened with the commonwealth. the queen's rep reign, we saw these x colonies depart in what could have been bitterness, yet the commonwealth and the personality of the queen and what she stood for and the system she embodied kept its togetherness and its meaning, and i think that is what we are seeing now with these people on the streets and the mixture of ancient ceremony at the same time. mixture of ancient ceremony at the same time-— mixture of ancient ceremony at the same time. :, .. :, : . , same time. you indicate how much has chanced in same time. you indicate how much has changed in that — same time. you indicate how much has changed in that time _ same time. you indicate how much has changed in that time and _ same time. you indicate how much has changed in that time and she _ same time. you indicate how much has changed in that time and she was - same time. you indicate how much has changed in that time and she was the l changed in that time and she was the person who led us through all of that who saw all of that and had so much wisdom to share. she always carried a sense of _ much wisdom to share. she always carried a sense of gravitas, - much wisdom to share. she always carried a sense of gravitas, of - carried a sense of gravitas, of weight, she was not born to be queen, when she was born, she was the equivalent of princess beatrice or a charming member of the royal family. the events, the application, threw her into the path of history. what she learnt in those early years when there was no serious prospect of her becoming queen, it was a possibility, a brother would come along who would have jumped over her. that has changed in her reign. when she came to the throne, at that time, the succession gave priority to males. it is under queen elizabeth ii that it has become such that says charlotte might in certain circumstances inherit ahead of her younger brother which would have been the case. we are experiencing history, we are looking at so much and it is a weird mixture, not to say we that sounds disrespectful, but none british people would laugh at it. somehow this is what britain is all about now. find at it. somehow this is what britain is all about now.— is all about now. and it is the ceremony. — is all about now. and it is the ceremony, the _ is all about now. and it is the ceremony, the constitutional| ceremony, the constitutional matters, the pomp and pageantry, what we have been seeing with the cortege at it passes through from balmoral to edinburgh with people turning out, it is about the people as well and the connection of the monarch with her people. and now with his people. that monarch with her people. and now with his people-— with his people. that struck me about what _ with his people. that struck me about what robert _ with his people. that struck me about what robert said, - with his people. that struck me about what robert said, the - with his people. that struck me | about what robert said, the last time _ about what robert said, the last time i_ about what robert said, the last time i ran. — about what robert said, the last time i ran, dick deep into the reservoirs— time i ran, dick deep into the reservoirs of your memory, you can remember— reservoirs of your memory, you can remember this happening but without the specific involvement of the public — the specific involvement of the public it — the specific involvement of the public. it seems extraordinary that this would — public. it seems extraordinary that this would happen, isolated ceremonies for the royals and by the royals _ ceremonies for the royals and by the royals and _ ceremonies for the royals and by the royals and only the people connected them, _ royals and only the people connected them, it— royals and only the people connected them, it seems extraordinary and impossible — them, it seems extraordinary and impossible knife to think it would not be _ impossible knife to think it would not be deliberately designed to involve — not be deliberately designed to involve members of the public and almost _ involve members of the public and almost before. an opportunity for them _ almost before. an opportunity for them to— almost before. an opportunity for them to come out and say farewell and pay— them to come out and say farewell and pay their respects. back them to come out and say farewell and pay their respects.— and pay their respects. back in the 19505, and pay their respects. back in the 1950s. people _ and pay their respects. back in the 1950s, people didn't _ and pay their respects. back in the 1950s, people didn't care - and pay their respects. back in the 1950s, people didn't care or- and pay their respects. back in the 1950s, people didn't care or were i 19505, people didn't care or were not involved but are so many more ways now that everyone can experience what is going on. most notably, television, which made its brilliant debut although co ntroversially brilliant debut although controversially in those days, at the queen's coronation in 1953. find the queen's coronation in 1953. and we see how — the queen's coronation in 1953. and we see how enthusiastically the public— we see how enthusiastically the public embrace the opportunity to do this today _ public embrace the opportunity to do this today. we have seen it on deeside. — this today. we have seen it on deeside, in aberdeen,... this today. we have seen it on deeside, in aberdeen, . .. deeside, in aberdeen,... people on a motorway bridge- _ deeside, in aberdeen,... people on a motorway bridge. the _ deeside, in aberdeen,... people on a motorway bridge. the convoy - deeside, in aberdeen,... people on a motorway bridge. the convoy passingj motorway bridge. the convoy passing stonehaven and _ motorway bridge. the convoy passing stonehaven and the _ motorway bridge. the convoy passing stonehaven and the motorway - motorway bridge. the convoy passing stonehaven and the motorway bridge| stonehaven and the motorway bridge is being _ stonehaven and the motorway bridge is being lined. i did not know necessarily what the size of the crowds — necessarily what the size of the crowds would be. in this part of scotland — crowds would be. in this part of scotland and when it made its way down _ scotland and when it made its way down it _ scotland and when it made its way down it is — scotland and when it made its way down. it is now going to go the 60 miles— down. it is now going to go the 60 miles between aberdeen and dundee is largely— miles between aberdeen and dundee is largely rural, and i thought we would — largely rural, and i thought we would be — largely rural, and i thought we would be looking at images of roads and hills and fields but actually it seems _ and hills and fields but actually it seems on — and hills and fields but actually it seems on the bridges on the grass verges— seems on the bridges on the grass verges at— seems on the bridges on the grass verges at the sight of the road, we are seeing — verges at the sight of the road, we are seeing extraordinary numbers of people _ are seeing extraordinary numbers of people who will come back to this at some _ people who will come back to this at some point — people who will come back to this at some point-— people who will come back to this at some oint. a, , , ,:, :, some point. maybe it is something to do with us, some point. maybe it is something to do with us. very _ some point. maybe it is something to do with us, very short _ some point. maybe it is something to do with us, very short notice - some point. maybe it is something to do with us, very short notice of- do with us, very short notice of this, the last few hours people have watched the bbc and it has reminded them of the opportunity to come out and catch this last glimpse of their sovereign. and catch this last glimpse of their sovereien. . and catch this last glimpse of their sovereien. , . :, and catch this last glimpse of their sovereien. , . . , ,:,, sovereign. there is a dual purpose, it is to see — sovereign. there is a dual purpose, it is to see an _ sovereign. there is a dual purpose, it is to see an event, _ sovereign. there is a dual purpose, it is to see an event, witness - it is to see an event, witness history. _ it is to see an event, witness history, and also to pay respects and i_ history, and also to pay respects and i think— history, and also to pay respects and i think it is unavoidable if you are there — and i think it is unavoidable if you are there to— and i think it is unavoidable if you are there to see the event to be part of— are there to see the event to be part of this, when the hearse goes past with— part of this, when the hearse goes past with the coffin draped in the scottish— past with the coffin draped in the scottish standard, there is a sense of finality— scottish standard, there is a sense of finality and it feels profound and it — of finality and it feels profound and it feels extremely meaningful no matter— and it feels extremely meaningful no matter what you expected to feel, i expect, _ matter what you expected to feel, i expect, you will feel something different— expect, you will feel something different when you witness it. they have just past stonehaven, i think— they have just past stonehaven, i think by— they have just past stonehaven, i think by the look of this road. this is the _ think by the look of this road. this is the a90 — think by the look of this road. this is the a90 they are travelling on, the main — is the a90 they are travelling on, the main road down the east coast. if the main road down the east coast. if you _ the main road down the east coast. if you have — the main road down the east coast. if you have ever taken this route, you will— if you have ever taken this route, you will know this road, it travels through— you will know this road, it travels through the outskirts of perth and then dundee, this convoy is doing it in reverse. — then dundee, this convoy is doing it in reverse, and it isjust nearby gtamis— in reverse, and it isjust nearby glamis castle, we will trust on that _ glamis castle, we will trust on that a— glamis castle, we will trust on that. a magnificent part of scotland. that. a magnificent part of scotland-— that. a magnificent part of scotland. : . . , scotland. and a poignant day this is. we will have _ scotland. and a poignant day this is. we will have continuing - is. we will have continuing coverage, and welcome to this bbc news special, where we are bringing you continuing coverage of an extremely poignant day. the hearse bearing the queen's coffin left balmoral earlier and is on its way to the scottish capital, edinburgh. a moment in history, and already we have seen thousands of people paying their respects along the route, and certainly it is expected that many thousands of people will be in edinburgh later in the day. we know that the authorities in the capital have been making considerable preparations for people to pay their respects in edinburgh. my edinburgh. my guests here in the studio who were taking us through the events of a really significant afternoon. we will hear more from them shortly, but we will start our coverage again this afternoon with my colleague annita mcveigh, who is in balmoral, has been there for many days, and you were there at the gates of balmoral about two and a half hours ago where we all witnessed a really affecting moment, whatever your opinions of the last few days, that affecting moment where we saw the queen's coffin driven out of the gates behind you. thank you very much, yes, that is right, a moment of finality, and a moment, given that so many people have said the events of the last few days have felt unreal to them when they could see tangibly the coffin carrying the queen's body on her finaljourney carrying the queen's body on her final journey from carrying the queen's body on her finaljourney from balmoral, the place that she loved so much, the place that she loved so much, the place where she had spent happy times since childhood, spent her honeymoon here, and our viewers may well know, spent a significant part of every summer, and she came here this summer, and today we saw her leaving balmoralfor the this summer, and today we saw her leaving balmoral for the final this summer, and today we saw her leaving balmoralfor the final time. i think it felt unreal to people, because they had seen those photographs on tuesday, just five days ago, of the queen meeting boris johnson and liz truss, and although she looked frail and she was using a walking stick, she was still carrying out her duties, her duties right up until the end, so it came as a surprise on thursday to hear the news that she was so ill, that her doctors were concerned that members of her family were rushing here to balmoral to be with her, and then later on thursday, the news of her death. i think what i would say what the feeling was around that moment when the coffin left was a sense of simplicity, actually, the oak coffin draped in the royal standard of scotland, and a single wreath on it, a wreath made up of flowers like sweet pea and phlox, and also pine and fir cut from here on the balmoral estate, and i think that reflected the simplicity of life that the royals felt when they spent time here. i spoke to the reverend david barr, who is the minister at the church in ballater, the nearest town to balmoral castle, yesterday, and he told me that when the queen came here, metaphorically she would hang her crowd on the main gates, and she could just get on with being a wife, a mother, later a grandmother and great—grandmother, and people have started to return here this morning, we have had thousands of visitors here to lay flowers and pay their respects over the last couple of days, but this morning, visitors were not allowed to come down. now they can, and they are returning in great numbers with flowers, with messages, to pay their respects. one group who was watching the coffin leave a little earlier with the royal marines association riders north division, we had a word with them and some of them were telling us about occasions when they had met the queen. i telling us about occasions when they had met the queen.— telling us about occasions when they had met the queen. i met her twice, i was had met the queen. i met her twice, l was really — had met the queen. i met her twice, i was really lucky. _ had met the queen. i met her twice, i was really lucky. just _ had met the queen. i met her twice, i was really lucky. just briefly, - i was really lucky. just briefly, you know. i was really lucky. just briefly, you know— i was really lucky. just briefly, ou know. : . ., ~ you know. and what was that like? she was a very _ you know. and what was that like? she was a very well _ you know. and what was that like? she was a very well spoken - you know. and what was that like? she was a very well spoken lady, l you know. and what was that like? l she was a very well spoken lady, but she was also one of the most grounded people you could speak to. i don't know whether she was well briefed on who she was meeting, but she was a lady, the same as her mother, the queen mother was exactly the same. the queen mother was a little bit more, you never knew what she was going to do next, but with the queen, she was a lady, you know? and everybody gave her that thing that you could never explain. reverence is probably the best word. and with me now at balmoral, i have someone who has come here after watching the queen's coffin travel through ballater, andrew gordon. and just explain for our viewers the very special association you have with the royals, with the queen first of all. i with the royals, with the queen first of all-— with the royals, with the queen first of all. :, , :, :, :, first of all. i was honoured to meet the queen — first of all. i was honoured to meet the queen in _ first of all. i was honoured to meet the queen in 1981 _ first of all. i was honoured to meet the queen in 1981 in _ first of all. i was honoured to meet the queen in 1981 in edinburgh, - first of all. i was honoured to meet| the queen in 1981 in edinburgh, and that was an honour then, but today surpasses that by miles and miles. i had to be here to see her leaving scotland, and a hush came over the crowd. we weren't sure whether to clap or not. and i'm here to see the final part, a gracious lady, and the time i met her she put me at ease, as i'm sure she does with everybody. i will ask you a little bit about the time you met her in more detail in a moment, butjust give us a sense, if you would, and a little bit more detail about what it was like in ballater there this morning, the town obviously has such close associations. talking to people there they told me how protective they feel about the queen, they still do, and of the royals. yes. they feel about the queen, they still do, and of the royals. yes, i have spoken _ still do, and of the royals. yes, i have spoken to _ still do, and of the royals. yes, i have spoken to a _ still do, and of the royals. yes, i have spoken to a few _ still do, and of the royals. yes, i have spoken to a few locals - still do, and of the royals. yes, i have spoken to a few locals as i still do, and of the royals. yes, i. have spoken to a few locals as well. i am not local, have spoken to a few locals as well. lam not local, but have spoken to a few locals as well. i am not local, but they said to me that the queen could be seen about, she felt at home here, it was her scottish home as well. and it was respect. i am finding it hard to put words. farewell to our queen, everyone's queen. and tell us about the carriage. what eo - le and tell us about the carriage. what people would _ and tell us about the carriage. what people would know _ and tell us about the carriage. what people would know in _ and tell us about the carriage. transit people would know in scotland nowadays, we were the queen's carriage painters in edinburgh. for charles and diana's wedding i did a great deal of work on that, and some more work up to 1984 until the company changed and went back to london. i was offered to go to london, but i am a young lad, and i have neverforgotten. london, but i am a young lad, and i have never forgotten. you london, but i am a young lad, and i have neverforgotten. you don't forget. and i also met the future king as well. forget. and i also met the future king as well-— forget. and i also met the future kine as well. , . king as well. tell us about meeting both the queen _ king as well. tell us about meeting both the queen and _ king as well. tell us about meeting both the queen and king _ king as well. tell us about meeting both the queen and king charles. i king as well. tell us about meeting i both the queen and king charles. the news was both the queen and king charles. ti9: news was at both the queen and king charles. ti9 news was at holyrood both the queen and king charles. ii9 news was at holyrood palace, and the queen came along and spoke to everyone. she was knowledgeable about people. she said something personal to each of us which i would like to keep to myself, and then the noise of a helicopter, and it was prince charles. and of the queen turned and looked up at the helicopter, and i saw this lady, and it is disturbing her conversation. and first of all she brought charles with us, and she opened the door and demonstrated the steps and things to prince charles on the carriage here. and if you could just hold that up to the camera. this is one of the carriages that you worked on? yes. that was the _ carriages that you worked on? yes. that was the one _ carriages that you worked on? yes. that was the one for _ carriages that you worked on? .93 that was the one for princess anne? that was the one for princess anne? that was the second one, for diana and prince charles. for that was the second one, for diana and prince charles.— and prince charles. for prince charles, now _ and prince charles. for prince charles, now king _ and prince charles. for prince charles, now king charles. i and prince charles. for prince. charles, now king charles. and and prince charles. for prince i charles, now king charles. and i wonder, if having that connection, if having done this work for the royal family, having met the queen in person, how that makes you feel, how it made you feel on thursday when you heard the news of her death, because you have that connection with her. taste death, because you have that connection with her.- death, because you have that connection with her. 9 . , connection with her. we had seen her on the television _ connection with her. we had seen her on the television the _ connection with her. we had seen her on the television the day _ connection with her. we had seen her on the television the day before. i on the television the day before. yes, she looked frail, and i thought she would go on, not forever, that is impossible, but it makes you sad. a friend told me at work and i didn't quite believe it, and then i heard that family were coming, and my parents passed many years ago, and when you hear family are coming to visit, that worried me. i was driving home, and the message came over our local radio station. i stopped the car and burst into tears. i beg your pardon. it was just such a... i tears. i beg your pardon. it was just such a- - -— tears. i beg your pardon. it was just such a... i understand, and lease just such a... i understand, and please just _ just such a... i understand, and please just do _ just such a... i understand, and please just do take _ just such a... i understand, and please just do take a _ just such a... i understand, and please just do take a moment, | just such a... i understand, and i please just do take a moment, to take a breath. obviously people here deeply, deeply affected by this, people in many places deeply affected by the queen's passing, and everything that they are seeing now, and seeing the coffin emerging today brings a reality to the situation that many have felt. why did you want to come after being in ballater this morning? why did you want to come here to the gates of balmoral castle? i had flowers, and the older chaps have all passed away, and so... just told this so — have all passed away, and so... just told this so the _ have all passed away, and so... just told this so the camera can see it. it is the spirit, that is what it is all about. it is the spirit, that is what it is allabout. i it is the spirit, that is what it is all about. i know! it is the spirit, that is what it is all about. i know i could have left the flowers at ballater, but i wanted to bring them here. i visit family graves quite often and put flowers, and the queen was like a mother to all of us. it does seem strange. and i think king charles will become the same. such a wonderful lady, to all of us. find wonderful lady, to all of us. and kim wonderful lady, to all of us. and king charles. — wonderful lady, to all of us. and king charles, in _ wonderful lady, to all of us. and king charles, in his— wonderful lady, to all of us. and king charles, in his address to the nation, try to reflect some of the language that his mother used when she became queen and promised to carry out her duty. what did you think of that address? i am carry out her duty. what did you think of that address?— think of that address? i am still workin: think of that address? i am still working part-time, _ think of that address? i am still working part-time, and - think of that address? i am still working part-time, and yes i i think of that address? i am still| working part-time, and yes i am working part—time, and yes i am still working at home. but it has taken the sentiment. how do you follow such a person as the queen was? but i think he will be great, and i think william in his turn will do the same. i think there is always that scottish she is the queen of our country and our common wealth, but it is the scottish connection. but it is just great, you know. andrew, thank you so much for taking the time to talk to us today, we appreciate that. many scots are very proud of that ongoing connection here with balmoral and the deep connection that the queen had, and the affection that she had for this part of scotland. as you can hear in the background, a piper now playing. we know that earlier today, as that coffin was being made ready to leave the castle that the sovereign's piper, formally called the queens piper, formally called the queens piper, piped her out of the castle one final time. the queen liked to be woken up by the bagpipes playing each morning, often around 9am, and today, the sovereign's piper played her out to the last time to the tune of balmoral, and then six gamekeepers from the estate here, the gillies as they are known, carried the coffin from the ballroom at to the hearse, and the members of herfamily who were at to the hearse, and the members of her family who were still here have now all left, we understand. they and the queen's personal staff who have worked so closely, many of them for decades, said their final private goodbyes to her at balmoral, a place that she loved so well, a place that she came to at the start of the summer as she always did through her reign for a break where she could relax and enjoy time with family and friends, but which she left this morning for the final time. annita, thank you. annita mcveigh is balmoral as the queen continued her journey, which ultimately today ends in edinburgh. days of travel beyond that, and for now our focus is very much on scotland, the queen's love of balmoral, of scotland more broadly, and many crowds expected at today's ultimate destination, the scottish capital. our scotland editor sarah smith is there for us in a city that is preparing for an awful lot of people to come out, sarah. . awful lot of people to come out, sarah. , , . , :, sarah. edinburgh is getting ready to welcome the _ sarah. edinburgh is getting ready to welcome the hearse, _ sarah. edinburgh is getting ready to welcome the hearse, and _ sarah. edinburgh is getting ready to welcome the hearse, and there i sarah. edinburgh is getting ready to welcome the hearse, and there are | welcome the hearse, and there are many thousands of people in the streets. you probably caught a glimpse ofjust how deep the crowds were on the royal mile when we were watching the proclamation being read, and it is notjust there, the cortege will drive through the streets of edinburgh, all of which will be lined with people, already crash barriers are in place in case the crowds are too deep, and there are thousands of people getting ready to catch a glimpse of the queen's coffin as it drives through the streets of edinburgh and makes its way to where i am at the palace of holyrood house. we are expecting her to arrive about four o'clock in the afternoon, it may not be precise. lined up to greet the coffin will be the political leaders, nicola sturgeon and other political party leaders will be at the scottish parliament which is just opposite the hollywood palace. they will greet the cortege as it then goes into the palace of holyrood house. it was the official residence of scotland, and will remain there in service until it travels to london. that the whole royal family has for that area. but it's that the whole royal family has for that area. but its broader than that area. but its broader than that and certainly the queen spoke to the scottish parliament about her love for scotland. i think that is a phrase you will know better than me. but she did talk in broad terms about the country, didn't she? she did. last summer she was opening a new session of the scottish parliament. she opened every session every since it was created in 1999. the last time she was here, just over a year ago, she spoke of her deep and abiding affection for what she called this wonderful country. not only how comfortable and at home she felt, both in balmoral, but also when undertaking official engagements all around the country. she often had something to say about how scotland held a special place in her heart. that's one of the reasons she was always welcomed here so much by the scottish people. i mean, we've talked before about whether or not scots are realists like other places in the uk. but what was clear to everybody is that the queen did feel scotland was special to her. that inevitably means the people of scotland feel she was very special to them. and i suppose it partly explains the sheer number of people that you've already said are there where you are. many, many hours before the coffee is due to arrive. —— coffin is due to arrive. after a service at st giles' cathedral tomorrow afternoon, there will be 24 hours when the public can file through the cathedral and pay their respects to queen elizabeth ii, actually seeing her coffin lying in state at st giles' cathedral. i can imagine that tens of thousands of people will want to do that. how that will be managed is not information we have heard yet but i can imagine there will be lengthy queues if people want to pay their respects in person to her majesty before late on monday she will depart and go back to london. we will have continuing coverage of that, of course. more access and proclamations to come, of course. we saw the first formal one in london. at stjames's palace. this now found out to other parts of the uk. it happened twice here in edinburgh. the lord lion was standing in edinburgh when he proclaimed king charles was now the sovereign. then he moves up to edinburgh castle where there was a 21 gun salute, then a proclamation is red again there a second time. it was a great occasion with his majesty's the kings bodyguard, who are the royal company of archers, accompanying them along with the trumpeters, the band, everybody wearing their regal regalia. as formerly the people of scotland were told that queen elizabeth ii had passed and that king charles iii was now their one true sovereign. sarah, for now, thank you very much. we will talk again. sarah smith, our scotland editor there, and very, very striking to hear sarah talk about the huge numbers of people that are already out on the streets of edinburgh as we watch the convoy make its way on this 175 mile journey. beginning this morning at balmoral. ending in a few hours from now in edinburgh from where sarah was talking to us. my guests in the studio are following this poignant day. they are with us throughout the afternoon, i am pleased to say, robert lacey, the royal historian, and biographer. the bbc�*s martin eisler, my colleague from bbc scotland —— martin geissler. before we return to these images, forgive me, i obviously have pressed upon you over the past few hours for your expert knowledge of scotland's landmarks in scotland's geography. we obviously have to get all the way to edinburgh at around 4pm this afternoon. do you have a sense of where we are on this journey so far? i am trying to. mercifully the helicopter pulled back and brought in the coastline. i think we are between stonehaven and brechin. i think we might be passing the bar mcewan estate. may be a third of the way between aberdeen and dundee. what is striking me is the number of people that are there. there aren't many big conurbations. there are fishing towns on the east coast, south of stonehaven. that strikes me as to where people have come from. because every bridge is lined. if you look at the bottom of the screen, the cars, they are packing out any kind of road that leaves off. there are queues of them. the main road, the a90, it's the only way to get into aberdeen from the central belt, as we call it in scotland. that's closed at the moment southbound. there will be an element of people waiting to get back and make theirjourneys. but it strikes me that there is a huge amount of people who have come from far away. amount of people who have come from faraway. look amount of people who have come from far away. look at the picture, this is a farming country, soft fruit growing country, and wood growing country. but there are people everywhere. we will get a real indication when we get into dundee and maybe an hour or so's time as to the size of the crowds there. they will go along the kingsway. it is the route that skirts the north of the route that skirts the north of the city and takes you onto the road to perth. there are big grass banks on the side of the road. plenty of space for people together. people will be encouraged to go there if they want to come out today. we will get a sign then. isn’t they want to come out today. we will get a sign then-— get a sign then. isn't it fascinating _ get a sign then. isn't it fascinating that, i i get a sign then. isn't it l fascinating that, i mean, get a sign then. isn't it i fascinating that, i mean, we get a sign then. isn't it _ fascinating that, i mean, we watch this wonderful countryside, we are looking _ this wonderful countryside, we are looking at— this wonderful countryside, we are looking at the corner of the uk where — looking at the corner of the uk where the _ looking at the corner of the uk where the queen felt most at home. when _ where the queen felt most at home. when she _ where the queen felt most at home. when she was at sandringham she would _ when she was at sandringham she would feel very much at home. but also that— would feel very much at home. but also that is— would feel very much at home. but also that is the english countryside, and it is a reminder of her personal— countryside, and it is a reminder of her personal tastes, and her role as a successful— her personal tastes, and her role as a successful monarch that living in grandeur— a successful monarch that living in grandeur and splendour in buckingham palace _ grandeur and splendour in buckingham palace she _ grandeur and splendour in buckingham palace she still felt most at home in a rural— palace she still felt most at home in a rural setting. it's rather like her love — in a rural setting. it's rather like her love of— in a rural setting. it's rather like her love of race horses, which we may— her love of race horses, which we may talk— her love of race horses, which we may talk about later. an aristocratic sport but something beloved — aristocratic sport but something beloved by people all over the country — beloved by people all over the count . ~ . beloved by people all over the count . 9 , . , . beloved by people all over the count . 9 , : country. when she was much younger, didn't she say. — country. when she was much younger, didn't she say. i _ country. when she was much younger, didn't she say, i think— country. when she was much younger, didn't she say, i think she _ country. when she was much younger, didn't she say, i think she was - country. when she was much younger, didn't she say, i think she was a i didn't she say, i think she was a child, she said i would happily be a lady who lives in the country with my horses and my dogs.- lady who lives in the country with my horses and my dogs. that's right. that is the world _ my horses and my dogs. that's right. that is the world she _ my horses and my dogs. that's right. that is the world she loved, - my horses and my dogs. that's right. that is the world she loved, as i my horses and my dogs. that's right. that is the world she loved, as you i that is the world she loved, as you are suggesting. that is the world she loved, as you are suggesting-— are suggesting. yes, and in those da s ou are suggesting. yes, and in those days you weren't _ are suggesting. yes, and in those days you weren't supposed i are suggesting. yes, and in those days you weren't supposed to i are suggesting. yes, and in those days you weren't supposed to say j days you weren't supposed to say those _ days you weren't supposed to say those sort — days you weren't supposed to say those sort of things. the scottish nanny. _ those sort of things. the scottish nanny, marie crawford, said she would _ nanny, marie crawford, said she would much rather live in the country— would much rather live in the country with horses and dogs than be a queen _ country with horses and dogs than be a queen. that was thought to be so shocking _ a queen. that was thought to be so shocking. marion crawford lost her 'ob. �* , , . shocking. marion crawford lost her 'ob. , , . , . job. because she revealed private conversations? _ job. because she revealed private conversations? yes, _ job. because she revealed private conversations? yes, private i conversations? yes, private conversations. _ conversations? yes, private conversations. we - conversations? yes, private conversations. we are i conversations? yes, private i conversations. we are looking at conversations? yes, private - conversations. we are looking at now a well _ conversations. we are looking at now a well preplanned operation. technically known inside the palace as operation london bridge. it is what _ as operation london bridge. it is what has — as operation london bridge. it is what has been added for so long, but prepared _ what has been added for so long, but prepared for so long. the plans surrounding prince philip's funeral were _ surrounding prince philip's funeral were known as operation forth bridge — were known as operation forth bridge. there is a third operation known _ bridge. there is a third operation known as— bridge. there is a third operation known as operation spring tide, which _ known as operation spring tide, which is — known as operation spring tide, which is the introduction of the new kin- which is the introduction of the new king to _ which is the introduction of the new king to the — which is the introduction of the new king to the different parts of the united _ king to the different parts of the united kingdom. and all of these different— united kingdom. and all of these different set of schedules are being into meshed —— intermeshed. different set of schedules are being into meshed -- intermeshed. that's interesting- — into meshed -- intermeshed. that's interesting- l— into meshed -- intermeshed. that's interesting. i want _ into meshed -- intermeshed. that's interesting. i want to _ into meshed -- intermeshed. that's interesting. i want to talk _ into meshed -- intermeshed. that's interesting. i want to talk about i interesting. i want to talk about king charles getting around the four nations of the uk. i'm just going to say something. the cortege was passing through some barren landscape. some farmland. you were commenting on the number of people who had come out. i am conscious there will be viewers watching this all around the world looking at some of these beautiful images but nonetheless thinking, i cannot see that many people, i'm not sure what he's driving at. i think it is worth reminding people, again, the population of scotland. i reminding people, again, the population of scotland. i know exactly where _ population of scotland. i know exactly where we _ population of scotland. i know exactly where we are - population of scotland. i know exactly where we are now. i population of scotland. i know i exactly where we are now. anybody who knows that road will have recognised the services, a famous truck stop on the way up to aberdeen. right along the side of the building, there is a motto meaning you can go a long way and do worse. we havejust gone past there. they are about five miles north of brechin. five and a half million is the population of scotland in a landmass which is roughly third of the size of great britain. less than 10% of the population in a third of the landmass. crucially, as well, now, let me get this statistic right. i think 80% of the population of the landmass of scotland. we will enter the part of scotland where the vast majority of scots live soon. where we are now, in the north, is sparsely populated compared to the big cities nearby such as inverness. they've just gone past a lay—by they've just gone past a lay— by where — they've just gone past a lay— by where the _ they've just gone past a lay— by where the slender population of the area have _ where the slender population of the area have come and parked. fi where the slender population of the area have come and parked.- where the slender population of the area have come and parked. a look at the bride. area have come and parked. a look at the bridge- yes. _ area have come and parked. a look at the bridge. yes, look— area have come and parked. a look at the bridge. yes, look at _ area have come and parked. a look at the bridge. yes, look at the _ area have come and parked. a look at the bridge. yes, look at the bridge! l the bridge. yes, look at the bridge! just for a few— the bridge. yes, look at the bridge! just for a few seconds. _ the bridge. yes, look at the bridge! just for a few seconds. yes, - just for a few seconds. yes, exactly. _ just for a few seconds. yes, exactly, robert. _ just for a few seconds. yes, exactly, robert. they i just for a few seconds. yes, exactly, robert. they are i just for a few seconds. yes, - exactly, robert. they are literally watching that drive under that bridge. not particularly slowly because it isn't driving through a town, not slowing right down like we have seen in some of the other towns. that is remarkable. that bridge was fully lined. figs towns. that is remarkable. that bridge was fully lined.— towns. that is remarkable. that bridge was fully lined. as have they all been. there _ bridge was fully lined. as have they all been. there are _ bridge was fully lined. as have they all been. there are cars _ bridge was fully lined. as have they all been. there are cars parked - all been. there are cars parked aaain. all been. there are cars parked again- peeple _ all been. there are cars parked again. people worked - all been. there are cars parked again. people worked out - all been. there are cars parked| again. people worked out where all been. there are cars parked - again. people worked out where they wanted _ again. people worked out where they wanted to— again. people worked out where they wanted to be. again. people worked out where they wanted to be— again, it takes us to where we started our day, when we were reflecting at ten o'clock this morning, as the convoy pulled out of balmoral, this perhaps for some people is a moment of reality. this is, despite all the coverage of the last few days, the warm words from the new king, from king charles, actually seeing the queen's coffin, thatis actually seeing the queen's coffin, that is the finality. this has really happened, we are in a new era, we have a 70 year reign really is at an end. driving through those harvested fields _ driving through those harvested fields. more developed, of course, martin, _ fields. more developed, of course, martin, then balmoral. it is a different— martin, then balmoral. it is a different sort of landscape to this. it is hillside, and this is agricultural country, soft fruit country. a big raspberry growing area. the industry has struggled a lot recently under concerns in the industry about the future of it. they can't get people to come and pick the fruit. find they can't get people to come and pick the fruit-— pick the fruit. and scottish raspberries _ pick the fruit. and scottish raspberries are _ pick the fruit. and scottish raspberries are some - pick the fruit. and scottish raspberries are some of. pick the fruit. and scottish | raspberries are some of the pick the fruit. and scottish - raspberries are some of the finest. they are. in some of them have been rotting in the field because they can't get people to come and pick them. that was down to covid, some of it down to brexit. it depends who you listen to, you will get different ideas of where the problems are, but the queen would have been well appraised of all of that. i have spoken to so many people in the last few days just in the course of the last few days, about their interactions with the queen, and every one of them, from senior church officials to agricultural workers who ever said the same thing — she knew a lot about what was going on. the moderator of the church of scotland told me that she had a minute interest in the workings of the church and the progress of the church. he said to an extent that it would hold most have put some elders to shame. she really did take a keen interest in how the country worked and was run. her interest in how the country worked and was run-— interest in how the country worked and was run. ~ ., ., , , and was run. her knowledge was very dee on a and was run. her knowledge was very deep on a lot — and was run. her knowledge was very deep on a lot of— and was run. her knowledge was very deep on a lot of matters, _ and was run. her knowledge was very deep on a lot of matters, wasn't - and was run. her knowledge was very deep on a lot of matters, wasn't it? l deep on a lot of matters, wasn't it? you mentioned that area. we know a lot about horses, countryside, sports... i lot about horses, countryside, sorts... ~ lot about horses, countryside, sports- - -_ lot about horses, countryside, sorts... ~' ., ., ., , sports... i think the quotation is ullin: sports... i think the quotation is pulling off _ sports... i think the quotation is pulling off here, _ sports... i think the quotation is pulling off here, a _ sports... i think the quotation is pulling off here, a scheduled - sports... i think the quotation is l pulling off here, a scheduled stop to refuel and rest for a little while. —— the cortege. i think that is the brechin castle centre on the edge of town. a cathedral city, brechin, it is a small town but it has a cathedral. the famous round tower, one of only two in scotland. there you go. there is aberdeenshire in the distance. if the camera moves round, you will see the angus glens. beautiful hill walking countryside. and the really hard it can find a route from those glens, through the cairngorms and up to balmoral, where thisjourney started. cairngorms and up to balmoral, where this journey started.— this journey started. where the queen and _ this journey started. where the queen and prince _ this journey started. where the queen and prince philip - this journey started. where the queen and prince philip big - this journey started. where the - queen and prince philip big walkers? we were talking about lochnagar earlier on, and they would picnic up there. we are coming now down towards the angus glens here, just the most majestic country. i was lucky enough to spend a lot of my childhood in that part of scotland, and it is lovely. if you keep going, you get to glands, the queen mother's family seat, the bowes lion family. —— glamis. mother's family seat, the bowes lion family. -- glamis.— family. -- glamis. martin pointing out that the _ family. -- glamis. martin pointing out that the drivers _ family. -- glamis. martin pointing out that the drivers just _ family. -- glamis. martin pointing out that the driversjust have - family. -- glamis. martin pointing out that the drivers just have to i out that the drivers just have to have a short break in theirjourney down to edinburgh. we are now back in the capital, as you may have just been able to work out from these pictures, and we are following this, because king charles, the new king, is just, because king charles, the new king, isjust, i'm told, leaving clarence house to head into buckingham palace, i think, for some of his official engagements this afternoon. again, ourfocus official engagements this afternoon. again, our focus today has been on other matters, but it is again, martin and robert, interesting to see how many people are still there outside the palace.— see how many people are still there outside the palace. yes, buckingham palace is obviously _ outside the palace. yes, buckingham palace is obviously traditionally - palace is obviously traditionally the focus. there is the king and, yes. _ the focus. there is the king and, yes, isn't— the focus. there is the king and, yes, isn't it— the focus. there is the king and, yes, isn't it obvious to say, just look— yes, isn't it obvious to say, just look at — yes, isn't it obvious to say, just look at all— yes, isn't it obvious to say, just look at all those crowds outside the palace _ look at all those crowds outside the palace. people feeling they are watching history, they are being part of— watching history, they are being part of history. and it's going to be interesting in the days ahead to see the _ be interesting in the days ahead to see the king go round the country and, _ see the king go round the country and. in _ see the king go round the country and, in scotland, wales and northern ireland, _ and, in scotland, wales and northern ireland, we _ and, in scotland, wales and northern ireland, we must presume there will be ireland, we must presume there will he the _ ireland, we must presume there will be the same sort of reception for him there. — be the same sort of reception for him there, linked with appropriate ceremonial occasions.— ceremonial occasions. interesting seeinu the ceremonial occasions. interesting seeing the contrasting _ ceremonial occasions. interesting seeing the contrasting moods. i ceremonial occasions. interesting i seeing the contrasting moods. what we are watching here, and i can see another monitor with close—up shots of the crowd — a lot of smiling, waving, a celebratory mood here. it emphasises, does it not, that we are watching two things happen. we are watching two things happen. we are watching one thing end and another begin. the solemnity of scotland is in stark contrast with the more celebratory mood in london, obviously. celebratory mood in london, obviously-— celebratory mood in london, obviously. celebratory mood in london, obviousl. , ., ., obviously. yes, you are right. i am now looking _ obviously. yes, you are right. i am now looking at _ obviously. yes, you are right. i am now looking at the _ obviously. yes, you are right. i am now looking at the camera - obviously. yes, you are right. i am now looking at the camera angle i obviously. yes, you are right. i am i now looking at the camera angle that you are seeing is well, martin. i hadn't seen that. right the way along the railings, all the way along the railings, all the way along buckingham palace, almost everyone, i think, along buckingham palace, almost everyone, ithink, had along buckingham palace, almost everyone, i think, had their phone up everyone, i think, had their phone up in their hand, cheering and taking photos, because they wanted that photo of the new king being driven into buckingham palace. to robert's point, this is a moment in history and everyone wants to be a part of it. that is what you were reflecting on this morning. iitalith reflecting on this morning. with arents reflecting on this morning. with parents getting _ reflecting on this morning. with parents getting their _ reflecting on this morning. with parents getting their children up early— parents getting their children up early in — parents getting their children up early in the morning, from before they go— early in the morning, from before they go to — early in the morning, from before they go to school. people living all around _ they go to school. people living all around london, and coming up to be part of— around london, and coming up to be part of it _ around london, and coming up to be part of it. reflecting, of course, in this— part of it. reflecting, of course, in this last — part of it. reflecting, of course, in this last week, we actually saw the very— in this last week, we actually saw the very apex of what the queen is all about, — the very apex of what the queen is all about, when she seemed so alive and received the retiring prime minister. — and received the retiring prime minister, then she had herfirst audience — minister, then she had herfirst audience with the new prime ministen _ audience with the new prime minister. that's the constitutional aspect— minister. that's the constitutional aspect of— minister. that's the constitutional aspect of the monarchy's job, minister. that's the constitutional aspect of the monarchy'sjob, and now we _ aspect of the monarchy'sjob, and now we are — aspect of the monarchy'sjob, and now we are seeing the impact that has on _ now we are seeing the impact that has on people's hearts and imaginations, as they welcome the new king _ imaginations, as they welcome the new king to buckingham palace. and now, new king to buckingham palace. and now. there _ new king to buckingham palace. and now, there we see, i think, about buckingham palace, is that now the royal— buckingham palace, is that now the royal standard flying at full mast? because _ royal standard flying at full mast? because the king is present. at the risk of boring _ because the king is present. at the risk of boring british _ because the king is present. at the risk of boring british viewers, - because the king is present. at the risk of boring british viewers, let i risk of boring british viewers, let usiust_ risk of boring british viewers, let usjust remind them, viewers around the world, _ usjust remind them, viewers around the world, that by british tradition, the royal standard is one standard _ tradition, the royal standard is one standard that never flies at half mast _ standard that never flies at half mast if— standard that never flies at half mast if the monarch of the moment is present _ mast if the monarch of the moment is present and — mast if the monarch of the moment is present. and now we see buckingham palace _ present. and now we see buckingham palace with _ present. and now we see buckingham palace with the royal standard as opposed — palace with the royal standard as opposed to the union jack, palace with the royal standard as opposed to the unionjack, the particular— opposed to the unionjack, the particular standard attached to the monarch. — particular standard attached to the monarch, flying at full mast over the palace — monarch, flying at full mast over the palace-— monarch, flying at full mast over the alace. �* ., ., ~' the palace. and when we were looking at the close-up _ the palace. and when we were looking at the close-up shots, _ the palace. and when we were looking at the close-up shots, much _ the palace. and when we were looking at the close-up shots, much closer- at the close—up shots, much closer to the front of the palace, people might have been watching these images thinking, where have all the flowers gone? people are i think still very much bringing flowers, but we know that they have been moved to nearby green park, and that was always the plan. in fact, even when i was there early on friday morning, there was a very polite notice that the palace authorities have put out, saying essentially, your flowers will be left here for 12 hours, but thereafter, they will be moved to green park because they simply would have run out of space. i think, sadly, simply would have run out of space. ithink, sadly, i haven't had simply would have run out of space. i think, sadly, i haven't had a chance to go to green park since then, but i should think it is a beautiful sight. then, but i should think it is a beautifulsight. i then, but i should think it is a beautiful sight. i should think there is a sea of flowers, a carpet of flowers, rather, at nearby green park, just to the left, to your left of this camera angle as you are looking at it. robert, you were mentioning operation spring tide, a curious name, but the point is, it is everything we will be seeing and reporting on in the coming days, because the new king will be reaching out across different parts of the united kingdom. he is new in post. he wants to proclaim himself, i suppose, to all parts of the uk. is that a convention, a rule, or is that something that king charles has taken upon himself to do so quickly? no, this is new for king charles. we now know— no, this is new for king charles. we now know that the state funeral of the queen— now know that the state funeral of the queen will happen on monday week _ the queen will happen on monday week a— the queen will happen on monday week. �* ~ ., ., ., the queen will happen on monday week— mondayl the queen will happen on monday - week._ monday the week. a week tomorrow. monday the 12th of september. _ week. a week tomorrow. monday the 12th of september. monday _ week. a week tomorrow. monday the 12th of september. monday the - week. a week tomorrow. monday the 12th of september. monday the 19th, | 12th of september. monday the 19th, the state funeral. _ 12th of september. monday the 19th, the state funeral. yes, _ 12th of september. monday the 19th, the state funeral. yes, monday - 12th of september. monday the 19th, the state funeral. yes, monday the l the state funeral. yes, monday the 19th. and that — the state funeral. yes, monday the 19th. and that will— the state funeral. yes, monday the 19th. and that will be _ the state funeral. yes, monday the 19th. and that will be a _ the state funeral. yes, monday the 19th. and that will be a bank- 19th. and that will be a bank holiday _ 19th. and that will be a bank holiday. no children will go to schoot — holiday. no children will go to school. but, in the course of morning _ school. but, in the course of morning the queen, her body will eventually— morning the queen, her body will eventually come down to london. people _ eventually come down to london. people will walk past the coffin, as they are _ people will walk past the coffin, as they are about to do in scotland. there _ they are about to do in scotland. there will— they are about to do in scotland. there will be operation spring tide, as it is _ there will be operation spring tide, as it is called, where the king can literally— as it is called, where the king can literally he — as it is called, where the king can literally be presented to his people _ literally be presented to his people. there was the limousine leaving _ people. there was the limousine leaving after delivering him to buckingham palace. of course, atready. — buckingham palace. of course, already, king charles is taking up the duties— already, king charles is taking up the duties of his mother of reading the duties of his mother of reading the red _ the duties of his mother of reading the red boxes. there was an interesting article in one of the papers — interesting article in one of the papers today about his own routine as prince _ papers today about his own routine as prince of — papers today about his own routine as prince of wales and how, at around — as prince of wales and how, at around 10pm, after his day of work, even as prince of wales, he has to lo, even as prince of wales, he has to go. and _ even as prince of wales, he has to go. and now— even as prince of wales, he has to go, and now as king, he will sit down _ go, and now as king, he will sit down and — go, and now as king, he will sit down and spend a couple of hours before _ down and spend a couple of hours before he — down and spend a couple of hours before he goes to bed reading through— before he goes to bed reading through all the state papers and processing that aspect of his nrothers— processing that aspect of his mother's work.— processing that aspect of his mother's work. yes, it will be interesting — mother's work. yes, it will be interesting to _ mother's work. yes, it will be interesting to talk _ mother's work. yes, it will be interesting to talk more - mother's work. yes, it will be | interesting to talk more about mother's work. yes, it will be - interesting to talk more about that later, because that was a key thing we know the queen really kept on top of. we heard a lot about her attention to detail, and certain politicians who attested to that, having met her. we will come back to that, because while we have these lovely shots from the front of buckingham palace, let's alsojust talk to charlotte gallagher, who is there, because charlotte, we have just seen the new king be driven through the gates there, and that is because he has a working afternoon. he has a lot of meetings. he has a lot of meetings. he does indeed. he is meeting representatives from the commonwealth today, because that is obviously his new role, one of his new role is — head of the commonwealth. and he knows how important that was to his mother, the queen, how she wanted to ensure that remained, and that was one of her legacy is. so he is meeting representatives from the commonwealth today, and also preparing as well for the arrival of his mother, coming down to london from scotland. i have to say, when that car went past and people so that car went past and people so that it had the royal standard on top of the car and king charles was inside, the crowds, as expected, cheered, clapping, waving. we saw king charles waving at them from inside the car, and i have to say, i think there are even more people here than there were yesterday. i came in from green park, the big park next to buckingham palace, and i had to queue to even get into the park, there were that many people wanting to come down, pay their respects to queen elizabeth, and also possibly see the new king, king charles. you probably see behind me that there are people queueing up, bringing bunches of flowers, everyone seemingly wanting to come down and take in the atmosphere, really. it really is a lovely atmosphere, because despite all the crowds, there is no pushing or shoving, people talking to each other and wanting to share memories about the queen, growing up with her, orseeing about the queen, growing up with her, or seeing her about the queen, growing up with her, orseeing her on about the queen, growing up with her, or seeing her on the television, or sometimes in person. lots of children coming down as well, and i have seen handwritten notes on bunches of flowers they will lay out the floral memorial inside green park. and i'm glad you mentioned that, charlotte, because we were just discussing in the studio the flowers. we knew they would be moved from the railings into green park. sadly, i haven't been down there for a few days, and i imagined that it is quite a scene there inside that sizeable, very attractive park that brings you out to buckingham palace. but i imagine, even what i saw on friday, there must be a carpet of flowers there. i think that's the best word for it — a carpet of flowers. every other person you see here has a bunch of flowers in their hands. we spoke to a group of florist last night. they came down from surrey, working all day, but they had made a special bouquet they wanted to put out for the queen, with thistles in because of the time she spent in scotland and how much she loved scotland, and they also said that a lot of their customers had said, can you lay flowers for us? we are not able to come to the palace but will you lay flowers for us? so they were carrying other bunches of flowers that customers want to put up, and i think that is a lovely thing that so many people want to get involved. i saw a little girl with a paddington teddy bear and put her own teddy bear down because she wanted to put it with flowers for the queen. it shows you how much that sketch of her with paddington during the jubilee resonated so much with everyone, but especially children. we even saw the reaction of her great—grandchildren at thejubilee. great—grandchildren at the jubilee. they great—grandchildren at thejubilee. they were laughing. they almost couldn't believe that their great granny was on the television with paddington. yes, and all the flowers i saw at the railings on friday, at that point there were already quite a few cards that, again, had that lovely, delightfulfigure cards that, again, had that lovely, delightful figure of paddington on them. it is something, well, i can't think too deeply about the platinum jubilee paddington sketch because thatis jubilee paddington sketch because that is the one that really brings tears to your eyes, but such a touching moment. charlotte, thank you. more from you later, i'm sure, because there are a lot of meetings and other important business that the new king has to attend to at buckingham palace today. we will hear back from you in a little while. thank you for now. ona on a tangent entirely to both of my guests martin and robert, but that's one of the things that has come out in one of the bbc films that has been made where prince edward talked about the queen and the london 2012 olympics, and when the queen jumped from the plane, all of the james bond element of that, and loving the fact she hadn't told anyone. she hadn't told her children about that! that speaks to her character and i love that story. chuckles can i add something to the paddington bear sketch which we have all seen. _ paddington bear sketch which we have all seen, she acted that in empty space _ all seen, she acted that in empty space. there wasn't a real paddington there. it looks like it. she acted — paddington there. it looks like it. she acted out what she would say to paddington and then the cg! experts went in— paddington and then the cg! experts went in and animated a paddington image _ went in and animated a paddington image for— went in and animated a paddington image for her. as we were saying earlier, _ image for her. as we were saying earlier, in— image for her. as we were saying earlier, in family life she loved charades, _ earlier, in family life she loved charades, she loved party games. she was such— charades, she loved party games. she was such a _ charades, she loved party games. she was such a great mimic as we heard gordon— was such a great mimic as we heard gordon brown confessing earlier this morning _ gordon brown confessing earlier this morning. all this playful side of her character which some would say she had _ her character which some would say she had rather too well in public. but she _ she had rather too well in public. but she had a sense of dignity in office _ but she had a sense of dignity in office she — but she had a sense of dignity in office. she wasn't born into this system — office. she wasn't born into this system i— office. she wasn't born into this system. i always say that's the secret — system. i always say that's the secret. she was born into the system but not _ secret. she was born into the system but not at _ secret. she was born into the system but not at the top of it. when she was ltorn— but not at the top of it. when she was born she was the princess beatrice — was born she was the princess beatrice of the day, she wasn't expected — beatrice of the day, she wasn't expected to inherit the crown, so she did _ expected to inherit the crown, so she did enjoy seven, eight, nine years— she did enjoy seven, eight, nine years of— she did enjoy seven, eight, nine years of relatively normal childhood. but she was very conscious _ childhood. but she was very conscious with her grandfather who 'ust conscious with her grandfather who iust on— conscious with her grandfather who just on that last decade had created windsor, _ just on that last decade had created windsor, that she was part of it, she was— windsor, that she was part of it, she was a — windsor, that she was part of it, she was a team player. when she became _ she was a team player. when she became captain she never lost that memory— became captain she never lost that memory that she was smaller than the system _ memory that she was smaller than the system she _ memory that she was smaller than the system. she was a part of something bigger— system. she was a part of something bigger than— system. she was a part of something bigger than any one person. it was that essential modesty which was at the heart _ that essential modesty which was at the heart of so much humour about her. the heart of so much humour about her~ have _ the heart of so much humour about her. have you met the queen? no, but she has _ her. have you met the queen? no, but she has. everybody knows that story try hartnelt — she has. everybody knows that story by hartnell. it sums up the monarchy and all— by hartnell. it sums up the monarchy and all of— by hartnell. it sums up the monarchy and all of the successful monarchs have lreen— and all of the successful monarchs have been like that, and it is the one that — have been like that, and it is the one that take it so seriously that .et one that take it so seriously that get into— one that take it so seriously that get into trouble. you one that take it so seriously that get into trouble.— one that take it so seriously that get into trouble. you mentioned that paddinaton get into trouble. you mentioned that paddington bear _ get into trouble. you mentioned that paddington bear sketch _ get into trouble. you mentioned that paddington bear sketch with - get into trouble. you mentioned that paddington bear sketch with the - get into trouble. you mentioned that paddington bear sketch with the (gi, paddington bear sketch with the cgi, and the twinkle in her eye when she delivers the punch line about the sandwich in the handbag. all three of us are sitting here smiling thinking about that. to think she was doing that to whoever, some assistant on the film crew that had to say, just imagine i am paddington. it'sjust remarkable. in 2002 brian may, the guitarist of queen, — 2002 brian may, the guitarist of queen, played god save the queen on the roof _ queen, played god save the queen on the roof. people thought, what is coming _ the roof. people thought, what is coming up — the roof. people thought, what is coming up with the next one? that happened — coming up with the next one? that happened to be the olympics. they did the _ happened to be the olympics. they did the james bond skit which you mention — did the james bond skit which you mention. this year people were saying. — mention. this year people were saying, how can you outdo a guitar on the _ saying, how can you outdo a guitar on the roof— saying, how can you outdo a guitar on the roof and james bond? and the helico ter. on the roof and james bond? and the helicopter. and _ on the roof and james bond? and the helicopter. and she _ on the roof and james bond? and the helicopter. and she does _ on the roof and james bond? and the helicopter. and she does it _ on the roof and james bond? and the helicopter. and she does it with - helicopter. and she does it with paddington _ helicopter. and she does it with paddington bear. _ helicopter. and she does it with paddington bear. was - helicopter. and she does it with paddington bear. was the - helicopter. and she does it with i paddington bear. was the naughty sto when paddington bear. was the naughty story when danny _ paddington bear. was the naughty story when danny boyle _ paddington bear. was the naughty story when danny boyle was - paddington bear. was the naughty i story when danny boyle was putting together the opening ceremony, she was supposed to be played by helen mirren, and the queen got hint of it and said if anybody is playing the queen it'll be me. stand and said if anybody is playing the queen it'll be me.— and said if anybody is playing the queen it'll be me. and an assumption amonust queen it'll be me. and an assumption amongst the — queen it'll be me. and an assumption amongst the producers... _ queen it'll be me. and an assumption amongst the producers... , _ queen it'll be me. and an assumption amongst the producers... , we - queen it'll be me. and an assumption amongst the producers... , we can't. amongst the producers... , we can't ask her. amongst the producers... , we can't ask her- yes! _ amongst the producers... , we can't ask her. yes! the _ amongst the producers... , we can't ask her. yes! the private _ ask her. yes! the private secretaries _ ask her. yes! the private secretaries at _ ask her. yes! the private secretaries at the - ask her. yes! the private secretaries at the time i ask her. yes! the private secretaries at the time were indeed very worried. i'm not sure if your detail— very worried. i'm not sure if your detail is— very worried. i'm not sure if your detail is correct. it may well be. but they— detail is correct. it may well be. but they took several months before they dare _ but they took several months before they dare put it to the queen. i 'ust they dare put it to the queen. i just remembered that they decided it would _ just remembered that they decided it would he _ just remembered that they decided it would he a _ just remembered that they decided it would be a good point at balmoral to brin- would be a good point at balmoral to bring it— would be a good point at balmoral to bring it up. _ would be a good point at balmoral to bring it up, she would be more relaxed. — bring it up, she would be more relaxed, and they suggested the idea to her— relaxed, and they suggested the idea to her then. she got it at once. she said, _ to her then. she got it at once. she said. oh. _ to her then. she got it at once. she said. oh. i— to her then. she got it at once. she said, oh, isee, to her then. she got it at once. she said, oh, i see, and i pretend to jump— said, oh, i see, and i pretend to jump out— said, oh, i see, and i pretend to jump out of— said, oh, i see, and i pretend to jump out of the helicopter, do i? laughter then she went to work with her dresser. — then she went to work with her dresser, angela kelly, to devise the pink outfit— dresser, angela kelly, to devise the pink outfit that she would wear to meet _ pink outfit that she would wear to meet james bond, daniel craig, and which _ meetjames bond, daniel craig, and which her— meet james bond, daniel craig, and which her stunt double would then have to _ which her stunt double would then have to wear when the stunt double jumped _ have to wear when the stunt double jumped out of the helicopter. right down _ jumped out of the helicopter. right down to— jumped out of the helicopter. right down to every detail she relished the humour of the situation. i think the humour of the situation. i think the loveliest _ the humour of the situation. i think the loveliest tribute _ the humour of the situation. i think the loveliest tribute i _ the humour of the situation. i think the loveliest tribute i saw - the humour of the situation. i think the loveliest tribute i saw out - the humour of the situation. i think the loveliest tribute i saw out of. the loveliest tribute i saw out of all of the carpet of flowers outside buckingham palace, a photograph amid all of these flowers, a clear plastic bag with a sandwich in it with a note that said, for later. goodness. i saw many messages that may be well up. but, yes, somebody had thought that through.— may be well up. but, yes, somebody had thought that through.- i l had thought that through. lovely. i mi . ht had thought that through. lovely. i miaht have had thought that through. lovely. i might have to _ had thought that through. lovely. i might have to move _ had thought that through. lovely. i might have to move on _ had thought that through. lovely. i might have to move on because i had thought that through. lovely. i might have to move on because we will all get a bit teary. in all seriousness, it'sjust... it'sjust delightful we have been able to reference the queen's humour because, yes, it has been a tough few days but we must remember there is another side —— there was another side to her. she knew what to do at all of the right times as well. just to explain what we are bringing you this afternoon. our camera is on buckingham palace. king charles is inside at the moment. he has a number of meetings, appointments this afternoon, in particular we know he is meeting the commonwealth general secretary, baroness scotland. much more to come. the cameras focus right now on capital because although the focus of our day overall is, of course, the journey that the queen's coffin is making from balmoral to edinburgh, it's a convoy of a number of vehicles and, quite rightly, drivers must take breaks. there is a break in the driving at the momentjust for a pit stop. very necessary for safety reasons. that's why we have a break in the coverage of that if you are wondering why our camera is instead focused on buckingham palace when, of course, much of our focus todayis when, of course, much of our focus today is on the scotland for very obvious reasons. but it is a journey which is due to end in edinburgh this afternoon at around lipm. the crowds are still there around buckingham palace, around the green park area, and they have occasionally today being greeted with a glimpse of the new king as he is driven into the palace. let's return, though, to edinburgh which will be very much the focus in the next couple of hours. sarah smith is there. apologies, sarah, i referred to you as our scotland editor because you were for some time, but you are now based in washington, dc, of course. but you are absolutely in edinburgh for us this afternoon for all of the right reasons. tell us about the city at the moment because this is very much a city that is preparing for a very large turnout, isn't it? ~ ,,., , preparing for a very large turnout, isn't it? ~ , ,., , ., isn't it? absolutely. there are thousands _ isn't it? absolutely. there are thousands of _ isn't it? absolutely. there are thousands of people - isn't it? absolutely. there are thousands of people lining - isn't it? absolutely. there are| thousands of people lining the street already, even though it's a good couple of hours before the cortege will arrive. it will drive through the streets of edinburgh, passed all of those people who would have been waiting hours probably some of them just to catch a grimace of the hearse as it goes through edinburgh's streets. —— catch a glimpse. then it will go down the royal mile, the street that runs through from edinburgh castle to holyrood palace. that's the final destination today for the hearse and the coffin. she will be taken inside the coffin. she will be taken inside the palace of holyrood house. she will be taken into the throne room and will remain there overnight. we have already seen, though, quite a bit of ceremony in edinburgh, scotland's capital, because the public proclamation of the accession of king charles was read out here. that was a very grand event. the lord line was standing outside parliament hall and pronounced that king charles was now our sovereign. there was a great deal of ceremony. this is the royal company of archers and the guard of honour marching to wait for the lord lyon to come and give that proclamation. you can see there are more officials there coming through. those are her majesty's state trumpeters. they welcome the lord lyon. they make everybody realise a proclamation is to come. these are all scottish titles because there is a whole world of ceremony that belongs specifically to what happens to the monarch in scotland. then we will hear from the lord monarch in scotland. then we will hearfrom the lord lyon make monarch in scotland. then we will hear from the lord lyon make that proclamation. bless it and glorious memory. by whose _ bless it and glorious memory. by whose decease the crown of the united — whose decease the crown of the united kingdom of great britain and northern— united kingdom of great britain and northern ireland is solely and rightfully come to the prince charles _ rightfully come to the prince charles philip arthur george. the reason these proclamations are made is because in years gone by this would be how the public would find out the monarch had died and that they had a new monarch. here it is ceremonial, of course, and king charles has been the sovereign for a number of days now but this is the people of scotland officially being notified of the fact he is their monarch. a2! gun salute was then fired from edinburgh castle before the entire procession came up to the drawbridge in front of edinburgh castle and made proclamation once again —— a 21—gun salute. their only lawful lord king is king charles iii, they have been told by this. senior members of the royal family are already here, we believe, in the palace of holyrood house. you can see just how many people are in the streets watching both the parade and proclamation and waiting, of course, for the queen's coffin and has to come through the streets of edinburgh. paddington bear is there. a reference, of course, to the queen's participation in a sketch she did with paddington bearfor the olympics. but there are thousands and thousands of people taking part in what is a moment in history here. the historic proclamation that we have a new sovereign. and of course that moment when the queen's coffin will come through the streets of edinburgh. people who will have been waiting hours by then will feel they are taking their place in history as well as an opportunity to pay their respects to queen elizabeth ii as she comes to the palace of holyrood. then tomorrow, there will be another procession from the palace up to st giles' cathedral. we understand king charles will walk behind the hearse. other members of the royal family will be driven. when they get to st giles' cathedral there will be a service of remembrance which will be attended by many of the senior members of the royal family. after that, the queen will lie in state for about 2k hours in st giles' cathedral, right in the heart of edinburgh, and the public will have the opportunity to file past and in person pay their respects as the queen's coffin lies there for a full day before going back down to london where of course there will be further lying in state and an opportunity for other people to say goodbye. but it's very important, i think, that people who live in scotland and want to take part in any of this kind of ceremony do feel as though it is not all happening miles and miles away down south in london. it really is covering a large part of the country and giving a special opportunity to people in scotland to both see the queen's coffin and cortege and themselves be able to say goodbye and pay their respects. it able to say goodbye and pay their resects. , , ,., ., respects. it is hugely important, isn't it? those _ respects. it is hugely important, isn't it? those pictures - respects. it is hugely important, isn't it? those pictures we - respects. it is hugely important, isn't it? those pictures we were| isn't it? those pictures we were looking at, they are striking. the crowds you are talking about and one assumes more to come. and again, bearing in mind that there are people watching this coverage from all over the world, this is going to be significant. you are talking about historic cathedrals here. you are talking about somewhere that is so famous and of great historical importance in scotland. it's going to be a focal point, isn't it, over the next 2a, 48—hour is? to be a focal point, isn't it, over the next 24, 48-hour is?- to be a focal point, isn't it, over the next 24, 48-hour is? yes. in this sort of— the next 24, 48-hour is? yes. in this sort of historic _ the next 24, 48-hour is? yes. in this sort of historic centre - the next 24, 48-hour is? yes. in this sort of historic centre of- the next 24, 48-hour is? yes. in this sort of historic centre of old | this sort of historic centre of old edinburgh where at the top you have edinburgh where at the top you have edinburgh castle sitting on top of a volcanic rock. —— 48 hours. and this cobbled mile which runs for almost exactly a mile down to the palace of holyrood house, which has a very, very long royal history. mary queen of scots stayed in holyrood house. there have been monarchs there through the generations over centuries and, of course, edinburgh castle is even older than that. these are medieval buildings and royal places which have seen this happen before. sovereigns have come and do once have been proclaimed, but very few people who are taking part in this today will have any memory of a death of a sovereign and a new moniker being announced. for everybody here it's an important historical moment to join in. everybody here it's an important historical moment tojoin in. —— a new monarch being announced. it is taking part amongst these historic buildings in edinburgh who have seen many sovereigns making their way up past them and walking into st giles' cathedral itself before. mani; cathedral itself before. many thanks. sarah in edinburgh because the cortege is due to arrive there at around 4pm this afternoon. we are following the queen's coffin as it makes its journey today, following the queen's coffin as it makes itsjourney today, the following the queen's coffin as it makes its journey today, the first leg of its finaljourney, which began at ten o'clock this morning local time at balmoral, the place that the queen so loved. and felt so at home in. and that, perhaps, that first moment for some people, perhaps for many people, of realising the enormity of the events of the last few days. the queen's coffin, driven away from balmoralfor queen's coffin, driven away from balmoral for the queen's coffin, driven away from balmoralfor the final time. queen's coffin, driven away from balmoralforthe finaltime. my colleague anita has spent the last few days in balmoral, and was there this morning as the cortege began its really poignantjourney, and from the many people you have been talking to there today, local people, people who would have seen the queen around, seen members of the queen around, seen members of the royalfamily around in the queen around, seen members of the royal family around in the local area, and some people really very moved by everything we are witnessing today. absolutely, jane, that's correct, and people in this area, in nearby towns like ballater, the closest towns like ballater, the closest town to balmoral castle, they have told me how protective they have always felt of the queen and the royal family, always felt of the queen and the royalfamily, how always felt of the queen and the royal family, how protective they still feel about the queen, so naturally, over the last couple of days, they have come in their thousands to pay their respects, to lay flowers, and in towns, on grass verges and pathways all around this area, they gathered from early this morning to catch that glimpse of the queen's coffin making its final journey from royal deeside, through scotland, eventually to london, leading up to that state funeral on the 19th of september, but this is where that journey the 19th of september, but this is where thatjourney began. before the coffin emerged from the gates behind me, we learnt some details about what was happening at the palace. we know that six gamekeepers carried the coffin from the ballroom of balmoral, where it was resting, out to the hearse. and we know that as the coffin was brought out, the queen was piped out one final time by the sovereign's piper, to the tune balmoral. and there, the members of the royal family who have been at balmoralfor the members of the royal family who have been at balmoral for the last days, many who have served her for decades, said the final, private goodbyes. and to the coffin emerged, and it was a moment of reality, given that so many people felt this news was unreal. we saw the queen just five days ago in those photographs when the queen invited liz truss to form the new government, and so it was with some surprise, even though obviously the queen was 96, she was frail, there had been some concerns about her mobility, it was a surprise when we got the news just two days later, on thursday, that her doctors were concerned about her health, then the news that her family were rushing to be by her side, and the news later on thursday that she had died. and when she left here this morning, it was with a real sense of simplicity. the coffin draped in the royal standard of scotland, a single wreath made with cuttings from the gardens here and the balmoral estate, reflecting the simplicity of the life she led here. it didn't involve the grandeur that life at other palaces involved, and it was a place where she could relax and reflect. i was chatting with the minister of the church in ballater yesterday, and he was recounting the times he had spoken to the queen, met the queen, and various anecdotes about her time here. he said, metaphorically, when she came to balmoral, she hung her crown on the main gates. and at that point, she was a wife, a mother, a grandmother and great—grandmother, just getting on with living a more normal life. and i mention that so many people have been coming to pay respects, to honour that bond, if you like, between the royals and this area, and after the queen's coffin had left this morning, a group who arrived were the royal marines association riders, scotland north division, and they were telling us about occasions when they have met the queen. many thanks. these images, just to clarify as well, by the way, beautiful as they are, they are from a little earlier on this morning. so this is not the cortege making its way. we think the cortege, the drivers are still taking a short break before they continue their journey down taking a short break before they continue theirjourney down to edinburgh. so we are as sure as we can be that it is not on the move again yet, but we are just taking an opportunity to show some beautiful images, and certainly much earlier in the day, martin and robert, my goodness, we saw images of the landscape of scotland, just so, so beautiful. the landscape isn't the only reason the queen loved aberdeenshire, but it is part of it, isn't it? and it was a reminder, an absolutely beautiful reminder, of that glorious part of the country that glorious part of the country that she loved so much. i that glorious part of the country that she loved so much.- that glorious part of the country that she loved so much. i was going to sa , that she loved so much. i was going to say. this — that she loved so much. i was going to say. this is _ that she loved so much. i was going to say, this is the _ that she loved so much. i was going to say, this is the perfect _ that she loved so much. i was going to say, this is the perfect time - that she loved so much. i was going to say, this is the perfect time of i to say, this is the perfect time of the year to see it. in four weeks, the year to see it. in four weeks, the leaves in that part of deeside will turn russet, golden, and with a dusting of snow, it looks even better still, and come the spring, everything looks better, so itjust is a beautiful part of the world. interesting to watch this from the sky, the changing topography of britain as well. we just watched the district of angus and the golden fields there. what a coastline it is there as well. i'm very proud of my country, as you can tell, but it is looking particularly special today. as you should be! i had one lucky opportunity to be at the braemar games for work some years ago, but to your point earlier, the reason it is so green and beautiful is because there is a considerable amount of rain. it was a day almost from central casting, because it rained and rained, and all the runners and competitors were caked in mud as they were competing in their various games. and then not a word of alive, as the queen and prince philip the sun came out. it was absolutely beautiful. —— as the queen and prince philip arrived, the sun came out. it was as if it was written in the stars, and they attended every year. the stars, and they attended every ear. ., the stars, and they attended every ear. . ., , ., year. the highland gathering is a secial year. the highland gathering is a special event. — year. the highland gathering is a special event, in _ year. the highland gathering is a special event, in a _ year. the highland gathering is a special event, in a fantastic - year. the highland gathering is a special event, in a fantastic little j special event, in a fantastic little arena that seems to be unchanged for arena that seems to be unchanged for a century, one of these places where, if something needs to be replaced, it is replaced with precisely the same thing, so nothing really changes through time. and boy, that town is proud of its royal roots, and it's an amazing part of the world. james cook made the point earlier, and it is worth making, that royal deeside is not scotland written small, it is very different in the way that it looks, and also in the way that it looks, and also in some respect in the way that it feels and thinks. it is very, very loyal to the monarchy, and some areas of scotland, particularly in central scotland, there isn't that strength of feeling. scotland is having a big debate about the future of the union, and we touched on it earlier, the union is fraying slightly, with those conversations that are going on, and the queen was one of the threads that kept that whole thing together. one of many. now that is broken, one wonders what might happen next, but i am straying into terror to you you may be might happen next, but i am straying into terror to you you may he don't want to go into at this stage. it’s want to go into at this stage. it's an important topic of conversation and it will be absolutely discussed. we can't and shouldn't pretend otherwise. robert, i know you wanted to come in. i otherwise. robert, i know you wanted to come in. ., otherwise. robert, i know you wanted to come in. . ., otherwise. robert, i know you wanted to come in-— to come in. i wanted to testify to the special _ to come in. i wanted to testify to the special atmosphere - to come in. i wanted to testify to the special atmosphere of - to come in. i wanted to testify to the special atmosphere of royal| the special atmosphere of royal deeside. — the special atmosphere of royal deeside, because i have been up there _ deeside, because i have been up there a _ deeside, because i have been up there a few times earlier in my career. — there a few times earlier in my career. and _ there a few times earlier in my career, and if you turn up with an english _ career, and if you turn up with an english accent asking questions about— english accent asking questions about the queen, you don't get many answers~ _ answers. laughter and we knew it was clear. she was a special— and we knew it was clear. she was a special part — and we knew it was clear. she was a special part of the community, of whom _ special part of the community, of whom they were very, very proud. i think— whom they were very, very proud. i think there — whom they were very, very proud. i think there was a feeling of safety for her— think there was a feeling of safety for her there. also very significant that. _ for her there. also very significant that. in— for her there. also very significant that. in the — for her there. also very significant that, in the famous royal family film that— that, in the famous royal family film that was thought to have shown too much _ film that was thought to have shown too much of the private life... yes, the documentary _ too much of the private life... yes, the documentary on _ too much of the private life... yes, the documentary on the _ too much of the private life... yes, the documentary on the very - too much of the private life... .eis the documentary on the very late 60s, the documentary on the very late 605, i the documentary on the very late 60s, i think. the documentary on the very late 60s, ithink. it the documentary on the very late 60s. ithink-— 60s, i think. it was prince philip is my idea _ 60s, i think. it was prince philip is my idea to — 60s, i think. it was prince philip is my idea to reveal _ 60s, i think. it was prince philip is my idea to reveal the - 60s, i think. it was prince philip i is my idea to reveal the monarchy more _ is my idea to reveal the monarchy more to— is my idea to reveal the monarchy more to the — is my idea to reveal the monarchy more to the world as a whole, and it was balmoral and deeside that they chose _ was balmoral and deeside that they chose to— was balmoral and deeside that they chose to reflect the queen at her most _ chose to reflect the queen at her most relaxed, with prince philip turning — most relaxed, with prince philip turning the sausages on the barbecue. turning the sausages on the barbecue-— turning the sausages on the barbecue.- but - turning the sausages on the barbecue.- but for - turning the sausages on the barbecue. yes. but for that very reason, barbecue. yes. but for that very reason. and _ barbecue. yes. but for that very reason, and may— barbecue. yes. but for that very reason, and may be _ barbecue. .ezs but for that very reason, and may be other parts barbecue. .23 but for that very reason, and may be other parts of the film. — reason, and may be other parts of the film, the queen felt it had given— the film, the queen felt it had given too— the film, the queen felt it had given too much away. or maybe that it was _ given too much away. or maybe that it was too _ given too much away. or maybe that it was too much exposure, going back to her— it was too much exposure, going back to her shyness in terms of reticence. she actually cancelled her christmas broadcast that year because _ her christmas broadcast that year because she said, well, everybody has seen _ because she said, well, everybody has seen enough of me. | because she said, well, everybody has seen enough of me.— because she said, well, everybody has seen enough of me. i didn't know that, that has seen enough of me. i didn't know that. that a — has seen enough of me. i didn't know that, that a christmas _ has seen enough of me. i didn't know that, that a christmas broadcast - has seen enough of me. i didn't know that, that a christmas broadcast was | that, that a christmas broadcast was ever cancelled.— ever cancelled. maybe the televised art of it ever cancelled. maybe the televised part of it was- _ ever cancelled. maybe the televised part of it was. she _ ever cancelled. maybe the televised part of it was. she thought - ever cancelled. maybe the televised part of it was. she thought there i part of it was. she thought there had been — part of it was. she thought there had been quite enough of her on television. — had been quite enough of her on television, and of course, we have never— television, and of course, we have never seen — television, and of course, we have never seen that again. so interesting. _ never seen that again. for interesting. you said never seen that again. 6r interesting. you said it was prince philip's idr, a very famous programme at the time — was their arm—twisting, do we know? did prince philip really have to persuade the queen to take part in that? i think, after the coronation, _ queen to take part in that? i think, after the coronation, when - queen to take part in that? i think, after the coronation, when prince l after the coronation, when prince philip _ after the coronation, when prince philip did — after the coronation, when prince philip did have to twist some arms, especially— philip did have to twist some arms, especially with winston churchill, being _ especially with winston churchill, being the — especially with winston churchill, being the prime minster, television proved _ being the prime minster, television proved such a great success at the time _ proved such a great success at the time of— proved such a great success at the time of the — proved such a great success at the time of the coronation, it was felt, oh yes. _ time of the coronation, it was felt, oh yes. let's— time of the coronation, it was felt, oh yes, let's have a documentary which _ oh yes, let's have a documentary which shows more of what is going on behind—the—scenes. but, as constitutional historians said, you can't _ constitutional historians said, you can't let— constitutional historians said, you can't let too much daylight in on the magic — can't let too much daylight in on the magic. the people of deeside knew— the magic. the people of deeside knew about the daylight, but they were very — knew about the daylight, but they were very happy to remain part of the magic — were very happy to remain part of the magic. it were very happy to remain part of the manic. . were very happy to remain part of the magic-— were very happy to remain part of the manic. , ., ., the magic. it reminds me of the one treat line the magic. it reminds me of the one great line the _ the magic. it reminds me of the one great line the queen _ the magic. it reminds me of the one great line the queen is _ the magic. it reminds me of the one great line the queen is said - the magic. it reminds me of the one great line the queen is said to - the magic. it reminds me of the one great line the queen is said to have | great line the queen is said to have said — i need to be seen to be believed, describing why she was out so often in public. stand believed, describing why she was out so often in public.— so often in public. and why she alwa s so often in public. and why she always wore — so often in public. and why she always wore bright _ so often in public. and why she always wore bright colours - so often in public. and why she always wore bright colours at i so often in public. and why she - always wore bright colours at public events, so that people could spot her. let's return to buckingham palace. forgive me, iam her. let's return to buckingham palace. forgive me, i am looking on a very small monitor — was that the queen consort? charlotte gallagher is there, our correspondent. i think i saw the queen consort, but you can explain what is going on from your vantage point there, charlotte. yes, it definitely was camilla the queen consort. you heard a few people getting very excited as she was driving past in that royal car. we knew that something was happening because all the —— further up, people were getting their phones out and getting very excited. that is why a lot of people have come down here today, notjust to pay their respects to queen elizabeth, but also possibly see king charles or his wife, queen consort camilla. let's talk to people in the crowd. we will start with catlike willow and her cousin, oliver. where did you come from?— and her cousin, oliver. where did l you come from?_ what you come from? lincolnshire. what did ou you come from? lincolnshire. what did you think— you come from? lincolnshire. what did you think when _ you come from? lincolnshire. what did you think when you _ you come from? lincolnshire. what did you think when you saw - you come from? lincolnshire. what did you think when you saw the - you come from? lincolnshire. what i did you think when you saw the queen consort? i did you think when you saw the queen consort? . . did you think when you saw the queen consort? . , ., , did you think when you saw the queen consort? . . . , . did you think when you saw the queen consort?_ will- consort? i was really excited. will ou tell consort? i was really excited. will you tell your— consort? i was really excited. will you tell your friends _ consort? i was really excited. will you tell your friends at _ consort? i was really excited. will you tell your friends at school? i you tell your friends at school? yes. ~ . you tell your friends at school? yes. . . . , you tell your friends at school? yes. . . ., ,., you tell your friends at school? yes. ~ . ., ., yes. what was your favourite thing about the queen? _ yes. what was your favourite thing about the queen? i _ yes. what was your favourite thing about the queen? i like _ yes. what was your favourite thing about the queen? i like how- about the queen? i like how queenqueens _ about the queen? i like how queenqueens take - about the queen? i like how queenqueens take care - about the queen? i like how queenqueens take care of. about the queen? i like how. queenqueens take care of the country. queenqueens take care of the count . ~ . , ., ~' queenqueens take care of the count . ~ . ,, ~ ,, country. what did you think when you saw camilla go _ country. what did you think when you saw camilla go past _ country. what did you think when you saw camilla go past? _ country. what did you think when you saw camilla go past? a _ country. what did you think when you saw camilla go past? a bit _ country. what did you think when you saw camilla go past? a bit happy. - saw camilla go past? a bit happy. what might did you get a photo? i'm sure there are a lot of people in the crowd who got photos. denise and her daughter, ruth, you are right at the front, you have come to see a royal — are you happy that you've seen one? royal - are you happy that you've seen one?— royal - are you happy that you've seenone? , ._ seen one? absolutely, really happy now. like mccann _ seen one? absolutely, really happy now. like mccann she _ seen one? absolutely, really happy now. like mccann she was - seen one? absolutely, really happy now. like mccann she was waving l seen one? absolutely, really happy| now. like mccann she was waving as you went past? yes, so lucky. heath? you went past? yes, so lucky. why did ou you went past? yes, so lucky. why did you want _ you went past? yes, so lucky. why did you want to _ you went past? yes, so lucky. why did you want to come _ you went past? yes, so lucky. why did you want to come here today? you went past? yes, so lucky. whyl did you want to come here today? it did you want to come here today? if is history, you know, pay respects to the queen and support the king will stop it is what we should be doing. will stop it is what we should be doinu. ., . , ., doing. you have brought your dauuhter doing. you have brought your daughter - — doing. you have brought your daughter - how— doing. you have brought your daughter - how important - doing. you have brought your| daughter - how important was doing. you have brought your. daughter - how important was it doing. you have brought your- daughter - how important was it to daughter — how important was it to come as a family? daughter - how important was it to come as a family?— come as a family? very important. she was up — come as a family? very important. she was up early — come as a family? very important. she was up early yesterday - come as a family? very important. she was up early yesterday for - come as a family? very important. she was up early yesterday for the | she was up early yesterday for the proclamation. i said, she was up early yesterday for the proclamation. isaid, you have she was up early yesterday for the proclamation. i said, you have got to watch this, this is history in the making. we've never seen anything like this before and i probably won't do again, and it's amazing. haste probably won't do again, and it's amazinu. ~ , ., ,, amazing. we will never see a queen auain, amazing. we will never see a queen again. probably. _ amazing. we will never see a queen again. probably. in _ amazing. we will never see a queen again, probably, in our— amazing. we will never see a queen again, probably, in our lifetime. - again, probably, in our lifetime. absolutely. it's been amazing, we are lucky. like mike ruth, what did you think when you heard the news that the queen had died? i was really shocked. _ that the queen had died? i was really shocked. what _ that the queen had died? i was really shocked. what might - that the queen had died? i was really shocked. what might were people _ really shocked. what might were people posting things on social media? — people posting things on social media? yeah.— people posting things on social media? yeah. ., ., ., ,y media? yeah. you are obviously born very towards — media? yeah. you are obviously born very towards the _ media? yeah. you are obviously born very towards the end _ media? yeah. you are obviously born very towards the end of _ media? yeah. you are obviously born very towards the end of her _ media? yeah. you are obviously born very towards the end of her reign - i very towards the end of her reign — what did she mean to you? she very towards the end of her reign - what did she mean to you? she was 'ust reall what did she mean to you? she was just really special. _ what did she mean to you? she was just really special. did _ what did she mean to you? she was just really special. did you - what did she mean to you? she was just really special. did you watch i just really special. did you watch the jubilee. _ just really special. did you watch the jubilee, and _ just really special. did you watch the jubilee, and what _ just really special. did you watch the jubilee, and what did - just really special. did you watch the jubilee, and what did you - just really special. did you watch l the jubilee, and what did you think thejubilee, and what did you think of paddington? it the jubilee, and what did you think of paddington?— of paddington? it was really good, eah. you of paddington? it was really good, yeah- you as _ of paddington? it was really good, yeah- you as a _ of paddington? it was really good, yeah. you as a family _ of paddington? it was really good, yeah. you as a family like - of paddington? it was really good, yeah. you as a family like to - of paddington? it was really good, j yeah. you as a family like to watch ro al yeah. you as a family like to watch royal events. _ yeah. you as a family like to watch royal events, sit _ yeah. you as a family like to watch royal events, sit down _ yeah. you as a family like to watch royal events, sit down and - yeah. you as a family like to watch royal events, sit down and get - yeah. you as a family like to watch royal events, sit down and get the| royal events, sit down and get the telly on? royal events, sit down and get the tell on? ~ , , royal events, sit down and get the tell on? ~ , , telly on? absolutely. i can remember bein: ve telly on? absolutely. i can remember being very young- _ telly on? absolutely. i can remember being very young- i— telly on? absolutely. i can remember being very young. i was _ telly on? absolutely. i can remember being very young. i was born - telly on? absolutely. i can remember being very young. i was born in - telly on? absolutely. i can remember being very young. i was born in 69. i being very young. i was born in 69. my being very young. i was born in 69. my dad, if you were in bed, my dad got me out of bed and said, the queen is on the telly, come and watch. no matter what the occasion was, we would be a real supporter of the royal family. was, we would be a real supporter of the royalfamily. it is nice, because i think a lot of our family memories are related to their memories, because i remember sitting down with my granny and watching william and kate's wedding, and it was special as a family. it's a really special time. the queen is the common denominator for everybody in this country. we all knew the queen. we were very lucky to have her. knew the queen. we were very lucky to have her-— to have her. have you ever seen a member of— to have her. have you ever seen a member of the — to have her. have you ever seen a member of the royal _ to have her. have you ever seen a member of the royal family - to have her. have you ever seen a. member of the royal family before today? member of the royal family before toda ? . y member of the royal family before toda ? , g ., member of the royal family before toda ? , g . ., ., member of the royal family before toda? , g . ., ., today? yes. my dad was awarded an mbe so i was _ today? yes. my dad was awarded an mbe so i was lucky _ today? yes. my dad was awarded an mbe so i was lucky to _ today? yes. my dad was awarded an mbe so i was lucky to come - today? yes. my dad was awarded an mbe so i was lucky to come to - today? yes. my dad was awarded an mbe so i was lucky to come to the i mbe so i was lucky to come to the palace, and she gave my dad his mbe and that was a really special day. what what did your dad get that for? he was what did your dad get that for? h2 was in the army and it was services when he was in bosnia.— when he was in bosnia. there is something _ when he was in bosnia. there is something about _ when he was in bosnia. there is something about the _ when he was in bosnia. there is something about the queen. i when he was in bosnia. there is - something about the queen. however met her, they went a bit silent. abs, met her, they went a bit silent. day he will never forget. it was a surreal day. didn't matter who she was speaking to it was like you are the only person in the room, he said, and he will always remember that. did said, and he will always remember that. , , ., ., , said, and he will always remember that. , ., , ., , ., that. did you get lots of photos? yes, ve that. did you get lots of photos? yes. very lucky- _ that. did you get lots of photos? yes, very lucky. and _ that. did you get lots of photos? yes, very lucky. and they - that. did you get lots of photos? yes, very lucky. and they are i that. did you get lots of photos? | yes, very lucky. and they are now more special _ yes, very lucky. and they are now more special than _ yes, very lucky. and they are now more special than ever. _ yes, very lucky. and they are now i more special than ever. absolutely. are ou more special than ever. absolutely. are you coming _ more special than ever. absolutely. are you coming down _ more special than ever. absolutely. are you coming down for— more special than ever. absolutely. are you coming down for the - more special than ever. absolutely. i are you coming down for the funeral? we are planning on coming down on the friday, going to westminster hall, joining the massive queue i would imagine to walk past and pay our respects then. share would imagine to walk past and pay our respects then.— our respects then. are seeing so many people _ our respects then. are seeing so many people here _ our respects then. are seeing so many people here down - our respects then. are seeing so many people here down with - our respects then. are seeing so i many people here down with their families. what's nice is people talking about grannies telling their grandchildren, when i was a girl the queen wasjust a grandchildren, when i was a girl the queen was just a girl, and grandchildren, when i was a girl the queen wasjust a girl, and people sharing those family moments. she was a common denominator, elizabeth. everybody remembers her and everybody knew who she was. such excitement because the crowds had just seen the queen consort being driven in through the gates of buckingham palace. huge excitement charlotte was describing there and king charles already inside. he went in a little while ago because he has a very busy day of official duties. but, goodness, i know it is a nice day in london, but look at the crowds. peoplejust hoping day in london, but look at the crowds. people just hoping to catch a glimpse of somebody driving in and out. there is nothing specific happening here today but people are still arriving into the weekend wanting to pay their respects still to her majesty the queen. flowers being left in adjacent green park. and a few glimpses of the new king and the queen consort. lovely stories there like that lady's father who met the queen and was presented his mbe by the queen. we will have many stories like that over the course of the afternoon. the king himself has a meeting coming up, due in the next ten minutes, he is due to meet the secretary—general of the commonwealth. he's got very —— various high commissioners to meet, some religious leaders, some politicians, as well. quite a lot of high commissioners for various commonwealth countries. so, a long list of meetings awaiting the king this afternoon. robert lacey? just worth reminding our view was that the commonwealth was very much the queen's— the commonwealth was very much the queen's creations to when she came to the _ queen's creations to when she came to the throne, it did exist but we were _ to the throne, it did exist but we were still— to the throne, it did exist but we were still an to the throne, it did exist but we were stillan empire. to the throne, it did exist but we were still an empire. this idea that things— were still an empire. this idea that things are — were still an empire. this idea that things are old—fashioned and oppressive as an empire, and the colonies — oppressive as an empire, and the colonies associated with it, could be transformed into a much more positive _ be transformed into a much more positive family of nations. it was in fact— positive family of nations. it was in fact devised in the 1930s by a man— in fact devised in the 1930s by a man called henry martin who was a constitutional historian at eton and whoiust _ constitutional historian at eton and whojust happened to be tutor to constitutional historian at eton and who just happened to be tutor to the young _ who just happened to be tutor to the young princess elizabeth. people have often said the queen did not have often said the queen did not have much— have often said the queen did not have much of an education and she certainly— have much of an education and she certainly never sat any exams but she did _ certainly never sat any exams but she did have this constitutional teacher— she did have this constitutional teacher who inspired her with the idea of— teacher who inspired her with the idea of turning the british empire into something different in the future — into something different in the future. and now the commonwealth consists _ future. and now the commonwealth consists of— future. and now the commonwealth consists of over 50 members. many of them _ consists of over 50 members. many of them former— consists of over 50 members. many of them former colonies. such a successful constitution that countries that weren't a british colony— countries that weren't a british colony were allowed to join if they so wished — colony were allowed to join if they so wished. they then decided they wanted _ so wished. they then decided they wanted king charles, prince charles then. _ wanted king charles, prince charles then. to _ wanted king charles, prince charles then, to take the head of that. the fact he _ then, to take the head of that. the fact he is— then, to take the head of that. the fact he is meeting high commissioners, it is the commonwealth word for ambassador. the realms _ commonwealth word for ambassador. the realms king charles heads don't have ambassadors, they have high commissioners. foraustralia, for commissioners. for australia, for canada. _ commissioners. for australia, for canada. and — commissioners. foraustralia, for canada, and so on. it's very interesting that his first duties this afternoon in buckingham palace are to _ this afternoon in buckingham palace are to foster and develop, create his own _ are to foster and develop, create his own links with the institution that his — his own links with the institution that his mother was such an important part of creating. are that interesting. — important part of creating. are that interesting. as _ important part of creating. are that interesting, as well. _ important part of creating. are that interesting, as well. how _ important part of creating. are that interesting, as well. how much - important part of creating. are that interesting, as well. how much of i interesting, as well. how much of thatis, interesting, as well. how much of that is, again, coming from him, driven by him, the new king saying, i want to focus on the commonwealth or certainly don't want to forget about it and how much of it is convention. i'm interested. i'm wondering how much of it is being driven by his desires and the sort of stamp he wants to put on the monarchy. of stamp he wants to put on the monarchy-— of stamp he wants to put on the monarch . , ., . ., monarchy. there is one particular -roblem monarchy. there is one particular problem in _ monarchy. there is one particular problem in the — monarchy. there is one particular problem in the intro _ monarchy. there is one particular problem in the intro with - monarchy. there is one particular problem in the intro with regard i monarchy. there is one particularl problem in the intro with regard to the commonwealth for the new king. that is— the commonwealth for the new king. that is the _ the commonwealth for the new king. that is the fact that, as we have said. _ that is the fact that, as we have said. his — that is the fact that, as we have said, his motherwas that is the fact that, as we have said, his mother was actually head of state _ said, his mother was actually head of state of— said, his mother was actually head of state of more than a dozen commonwealth countries like australia and new zealand and canada. — australia and new zealand and canada, most notably. in the last few years. — canada, most notably. in the last few years, one of them, barbados, has said _ few years, one of them, barbados, has said thanks very much, we are happy_ has said thanks very much, we are happy to— has said thanks very much, we are happy to stay in the commonwealth but actually we don't want an english — but actually we don't want an english person any longer as our head _ english person any longer as our head of— english person any longer as our head of state when young barbadian is grow _ head of state when young barbadian is grow up— head of state when young barbadian is grow up and they look at the head of state _ is grow up and they look at the head of state they are mystified as to this ultimate position, why this ultimate — this ultimate position, why this ultimate position in their country should _ ultimate position in their country should be — ultimate position in their country should be occupied by a white lady. kindly— should be occupied by a white lady. kindly and — should be occupied by a white lady. kindly and good though she is. barbados politely and respectfully said, barbados politely and respectfully said. we _ barbados politely and respectfully said, we are going to be a republic, we don't _ said, we are going to be a republic, we don't want to be a realm any more _ we don't want to be a realm any more this _ we don't want to be a realm any more. this is a question for the future — more. this is a question for the future king _ more. this is a question for the future king. everybody has the realms — future king. everybody has the realms will survive so long as the queen— realms will survive so long as the queen as — realms will survive so long as the queen as head of state in countries like canada, new zealand, and jamaica. — like canada, new zealand, and jamaica, and other countries. but will the _ jamaica, and other countries. but will the same loyalty attach to the new king — will the same loyalty attach to the new king charles? that's an important element in his giving such priority— important element in his giving such priority to _ important element in his giving such priority to the commonwealth this afternoon — priority to the commonwealth this afternoon. �* .., . priority to the commonwealth this afternoon. �* , �* afternoon. because it wasn't until the last few _ afternoon. because it wasn't until the last few years, _ afternoon. because it wasn't until the last few years, it _ afternoon. because it wasn't until the last few years, it wasn't - the last few years, it wasn't automatic that he would be head of the commonwealth. that was a conversation or a decision that was taken only, three, four years ago? something like that? band taken only, three, four years ago? something like that?— something like that? and it was taken by the _ something like that? and it was taken by the heads _ something like that? and it was taken by the heads of _ something like that? and it was - taken by the heads of commonwealth themselves. looking ahead they wanted — themselves. looking ahead they wanted to make quite clear that when the day _ wanted to make quite clear that when the day comes we do want prince charles_ the day comes we do want prince charles to — the day comes we do want prince charles to become head of the commonwealth. it is technically an elected _ commonwealth. it is technically an elected position. it isn't hereditary. all of the members vote on it _ hereditary. all of the members vote on it they— hereditary. all of the members vote on it. they voted for charles. whether— on it. they voted for charles. whether all of them voted to go on having _ whether all of them voted to go on having the — whether all of them voted to go on having the king charles and camilla as their— having the king charles and camilla as their heads of state is another question — as their heads of state is another question. there is a whole school of thought— question. there is a whole school of thought that says the british monarchy should just give up the idea of— monarchy should just give up the idea of the realms and say, concentrate on the uk, concentrate on the — concentrate on the uk, concentrate on the commonwealth. can it be for ever that _ on the commonwealth. can it be for ever that australia wants a british man and — ever that australia wants a british man and woman as their head of state? _ man and woman as their head of state? it doesn't stop them belonging to the commonwealth. there are those _ belonging to the commonwealth. there are those who say perhaps canada will never — are those who say perhaps canada will never give it up because if canada — will never give it up because if canada became a republic what would make it _ canada became a republic what would make it different from the united states? _ make it different from the united states? these are the sort of practical— states? these are the sort of practical issues that confront the new king — practical issues that confront the new king and that he will be discussing with the high commissioners this afternoon. are some of commissioners this afternoon. 22 some of those commissioners this afternoon. 2:2 some of those issues commissioners this afternoon. 22 some of those issues will definitely emerge over the course of his reign, one imagines. haste emerge over the course of his reign, one imagines-— one imagines. we already saw the controversy _ one imagines. we already saw the controversy surrounding _ one imagines. we already saw the controversy surrounding prince i controversy surrounding prince william — controversy surrounding prince william and kate's tour of the caribbean where people said is it appropriate to pit people behind wire fences and wave at passing royalty? — wire fences and wave at passing royalty? -- _ wire fences and wave at passing royalty? —— put people. these are all the _ royalty? —— put people. these are all the sorts— royalty? —— put people. these are all the sorts of challenges and changes— all the sorts of challenges and changes that face the monarchy in the future — changes that face the monarchy in the future. now, as the archbishop of canterbury has said, it's a good time _ of canterbury has said, it's a good time for— of canterbury has said, it's a good time for britain as a whole to reflect— time for britain as a whole to reflect on— time for britain as a whole to reflect on this and for the monarchy in particular~ — reflect on this and for the monarchy in particular-— in particular. very interesting. we will talk more _ in particular. very interesting. we will talk more about _ in particular. very interesting. we will talk more about that - in particular. very interesting. we will talk more about that over- in particular. very interesting. we will talk more about that over the | will talk more about that over the course of the afternoon. good afternoon to you. you are watching bbc news. you were just listening to the historians and biographer robert lacey and my colleague from bbc scotland, martin geissler, is still here as well. this is a poignant day. our cameras are focused on buckingham palace, as you can see. very large crowds out at the palace today. but ourfocus very large crowds out at the palace today. but our focus today is on the solemnity, the sadness, the poignancy, i think, solemnity, the sadness, the poignancy, ithink, of solemnity, the sadness, the poignancy, i think, of watching the queens coffin being driven from balmoral to edinburgh. our cameras are focused to explain, they are focused on the capital because there has been a slight break in the journey, but we believe we will be able to resume coverage of the convoy as it makes its way. we think it is quite close to dundee. but we will establish that relatively soon. it is still making its way south, ending ultimately a little later this afternoon in edinburgh where the queen will rest in edinburgh for several days. members of the public will be able to pay their respects. two scenes, really, going on. a lot of flag—waving, cheering, excitement over the last hour as the crowds there at buckingham palace have watched the new king and a little later the queen consort, camilla, the in driven in through the gates of buckingham palace. still crowds there paying their respects. and interesting, in fact, when we heard the lady chatting to our correspondence he was there a little while ago, robert lacey, you were spot on because what reason did that lady give for sibley wanting to be there, forjust wanting to stand in that mass of people that we are looking at now. she said it is part of history, ijust want looking at now. she said it is part of history, i just want to looking at now. she said it is part of history, ijust want to be part of history, ijust want to be part of it, and that is what you have been explaining to us all day. that moment. 2 been explaining to us all day. that moment. �* . , been explaining to us all day. that moment. . . , ., moment. a family occasion, getting to . ether, moment. a family occasion, getting together. and _ moment. a family occasion, getting together, and as _ moment. a family occasion, getting together, and as we _ moment. a family occasion, getting together, and as we look _ moment. a family occasion, getting together, and as we look ahead - moment. a family occasion, getting together, and as we look ahead to i together, and as we look ahead to the week— together, and as we look ahead to the week there will be this massive event _ the week there will be this massive event of— the week there will be this massive event of the queen's lying in state. up event of the queen's lying in state. up in— event of the queen's lying in state. up in scotland we are seeing the prelude — up in scotland we are seeing the prelude to the queen lying in state in scotland which will be for 24 hours — in scotland which will be for 24 hours. when she comes down to london. — hours. when she comes down to london, she will first be in buckingham palace. it will then be possible _ buckingham palace. it will then be possible for people to file past the coffin _ possible for people to file past the coffin to _ possible for people to file past the coffin to pay their respects. although that might seem an ancient ceremony. _ although that might seem an ancient ceremony, it only goes back to 1910, to the _ ceremony, it only goes back to 1910, to the death — ceremony, it only goes back to 1910, to the death of edward vii who was the son— to the death of edward vii who was the son of— to the death of edward vii who was the son of queen victoria. it was actually— the son of queen victoria. it was actually based on something, sorry about— actually based on something, sorry about all— actually based on something, sorry about all of this history, it was actually— about all of this history, it was actually based on the lying in state of the _ actually based on the lying in state of the prime minister william gladstone. he was such a revered figure _ gladstone. he was such a revered figure that — gladstone. he was such a revered figure that his body was, just the first time in britain this was, the body— the first time in britain this was, the body was laid in state in westminster hall. queen victoria changed — westminster hall. queen victoria changed that. westminster hall. queen victoria changed that-— westminster hall. queen victoria changed that. because she did not want that? she _ changed that. because she did not want that? she was _ changed that. because she did not want that? she was still _ changed that. because she did not want that? she was still back - changed that. because she did not want that? she was still back in i changed that. because she did not| want that? she was still back in the earl 19th want that? she was still back in the early 19th century. _ want that? she was still back in the early 19th century. yes, _ want that? she was still back in the early 19th century. yes, of- want that? she was still back in the early 19th century. yes, of course, | early 19th century. yes, of course, different times. _ early 19th century. yes, of course, different times. george _ early 19th century. yes, of course, different times. george v, - early 19th century. yes, of course, different times. george v, the - early 19th century. yes, of course, | different times. george v, the man who created — different times. george v, the man who created the _ different times. george v, the man who created the house _ different times. george v, the man who created the house of _ different times. george v, the man who created the house of windsor, | who created the house of windsor, the grandfather of the queen who .ave the grandfather of the queen who gave her— the grandfather of the queen who gave her her very first lessons in constitutional history, who had the idea. _ constitutional history, who had the idea. why— constitutional history, who had the idea, why don't we try this thing that happened with gladstone for daddy? _ that happened with gladstone for daddy? so, he was the first king to lie daddy? so, he was the first king to tie in _ daddy? so, he was the first king to tie in state — daddy? so, he was the first king to lie in state in 1910. it was more than _ lie in state in 1910. it was more than a — lie in state in 1910. it was more than a success. it had so much meaning — than a success. it had so much meaning and also moving that it has become _ meaning and also moving that it has become an increasingly important ceremony~ — become an increasingly important ceremony. another way in which people _ ceremony. another way in which people can — ceremony. another way in which people can connect personally with their monarchy and the whole institution of monarchy. and feel a part of— institution of monarchy. and feel a part of history at the same time, as you say _ part of history at the same time, as ou sa . ~ , ,., y part of history at the same time, as you say. absolutely. martin, forgive me, ou you say. absolutely. martin, forgive me. you may _ you say. absolutely. martin, forgive me. you may or _ you say. absolutely. martin, forgive me. you may or may _ you say. absolutely. martin, forgive me, you may or may not _ you say. absolutely. martin, forgive me, you may or may not know, - you say. absolutely. martin, forgive me, you may or may not know, i i you say. absolutely. martin, forgive i me, you may or may not know, i don't want to get my terminology wrong. we were discussing earlier whether for the period in edinburgh we should refer to lying at state?— refer to lying at state? lying at rest i believe _ refer to lying at state? lying at rest i believe is _ refer to lying at state? lying at rest i believe is the _ refer to lying at state? lying at rest i believe is the correct - rest i believe is the correct terminology. i will soon be put straight. lying at rest, i understand, is how they refer to it, in edinburgh. and thatis they refer to it, in edinburgh. and that is going to happen from tomorrow afternoon, is my understanding. the coffin will be taken this afternoon to the palace of holyroodhouse, the monarch's official residence in scotland. it will sit in the throne room there, and tomorrow there will be a procession halfway up the royal mile, the hill that links the palace of holyroodhouse to edinburgh castle, halfway up is st giles' cathedral, and there will be a service there tomorrow afternoon, and there will be a vigil for i think 24—hours after that. the company of archers, the monarch's official ceremonial bodyguard in scotland, will keep watch over the coffin, stand guard, and they will bejoined at different coffin, stand guard, and they will be joined at different points, i understand, by the queen's children. that will take us through to tuesday. that will take us through to tuesda . ., ~ , ._ tuesday. then on wednesday, in london, tuesday. then on wednesday, in london. we _ tuesday. then on wednesday, in london, we will _ tuesday. then on wednesday, in london, we will see _ tuesday. then on wednesday, in london, we will see our- tuesday. then on wednesday, in london, we will see our first - tuesday. then on wednesday, in i london, we will see our first proper ceremonial— london, we will see our first proper ceremonial then. london, we will see our first proper ceremonialthen. people in london, we will see our first proper ceremonial then. people in london on tuesday— ceremonial then. people in london on tuesday will _ ceremonial then. people in london on tuesday will be able to see a rehearsal for the ceremony through the streets, but on wednesday, down in london. _ the streets, but on wednesday, down in london, we will see the queen's coffin. _ in london, we will see the queen's coffin, taken from buckingham palace. — coffin, taken from buckingham palace, where it will have arrived from _ palace, where it will have arrived from scotland, to westminster hall, where _ from scotland, to westminster hall, where it _ from scotland, to westminster hall, where it will lie in state, and that will be _ where it will lie in state, and that will be the — where it will lie in state, and that will be the first of five days, i think. — will be the first of five days, i think, when members of the public can pay— think, when members of the public can pay their respects to the coffin — can pay their respects to the coffin. and when we anticipate there will be _ coffin. and when we anticipate there will be this— coffin. and when we anticipate there will be this very moving ceremony, the tradition known as the vigil of the tradition known as the vigil of the princes, when members of the royat— the princes, when members of the royal family themselves replace the ceremonial guards around the coffin. we don't _ ceremonial guards around the coffin. we don't know the details of this. it has _ we don't know the details of this. it has not — we don't know the details of this. it has not been finally confirmed, but on _ it has not been finally confirmed, but on past precedent, that will be one of— but on past precedent, that will be one of the — but on past precedent, that will be one of the very moving events coming in the _ one of the very moving events coming in the week— one of the very moving events coming in the week ahead. yes, one of the very moving events coming in the week ahead.— in the week ahead. yes, we will talk more about — in the week ahead. yes, we will talk more about that _ in the week ahead. yes, we will talk more about that as _ in the week ahead. yes, we will talk more about that as well, _ in the week ahead. yes, we will talk more about that as well, of - in the week ahead. yes, we will talk more about that as well, of course. | more about that as well, of course. while the camera is still trained on buckingham palace, let's show you those shots again from the last half an hour or so those shots again from the last half an hour orso ago, those shots again from the last half an hour or so ago, because it is one of the reasons that there are still sizeable crowds there at the palace in central london. here again is the new king. king charles iii. being driven very slowly up to buckingham palace. one assumes so that people can get a glimpse of their new monarch. people cheering, looking, waving as he is driven in. he is now working this afternoon with quite a lengthy series of meetings that he now has to undertake over the next few hours. and his wife, the queen consort, was driven in half an hour orso consort, was driven in half an hour or so later. so she is now inside buckingham palace as well. up until now, his home was clarence house, which is not that far away at all. in normal times, you simply could walk it. mere mortals could certainly walk it, not very far at all, but we don't know, i think, unless you know more up—to—date information on me, i don't think we know if, when, what happens in terms of buckingham palace here becoming the king's london home.— the king's london home. again, this is speculation. _ the king's london home. again, this is speculation, but _ the king's london home. again, this is speculation, but it _ the king's london home. again, this is speculation, but it is _ the king's london home. again, this is speculation, but it is generally - is speculation, but it is generally thought— is speculation, but it is generally thought that king charles will retain— thought that king charles will retain buckingham palace as his working — retain buckingham palace as his working headquarters. but, of course. — working headquarters. but, of course, the constitutional centre of the monarchy remains st james's palace. _ the monarchy remains st james's palace, where we saw the ceremony yesterday. _ palace, where we saw the ceremony yesterday, which is in factjust at the back— yesterday, which is in factjust at the back of— yesterday, which is in factjust at the back of clarence house, where he has been _ the back of clarence house, where he has been living. one of the things that happened during the reign of the queen is that buckingham palace became _ the queen is that buckingham palace became open to the public. we take that for— became open to the public. we take that for granted now. there is a shop _ that for granted now. there is a shop at — that for granted now. there is a shop at buckingham palace. course, it shop at buckingham palace. of course, it wasn't like that when i was a child. course, it wasn't like that when i was a child-— course, it wasn't like that when i was a child. the queen's gallery. the whole _ was a child. the queen's gallery. the whole thing _ was a child. the queen's gallery. the whole thing started - was a child. the queen's gallery. the whole thing started with - was a child. the queen's gallery. the whole thing started with the | the whole thing started with the queen's— the whole thing started with the queen's gallery, the feeling that the art _ queen's gallery, the feeling that the art that the queen enjoys should be shared _ the art that the queen enjoys should be shared more widely, and over the decades— be shared more widely, and over the decades this was a democratisation of the _ decades this was a democratisation of the process. it is said that prince — of the process. it is said that prince charles is going to continue this further. at the moment, you can only go— this further. at the moment, you can only go buckingham palace when the monarch— only go buckingham palace when the monarch is— only go buckingham palace when the monarch is not in residence mainly during _ monarch is not in residence mainly during the — monarch is not in residence mainly during the summer, when the queen, as we _ during the summer, when the queen, as we know. _ during the summer, when the queen, as we know, would go to balmoral. it is thought— as we know, would go to balmoral. it is thought that king charles will develop — is thought that king charles will develop plans to make it easier to visit the _ develop plans to make it easier to visit the gardens all year round, perhaps. — visit the gardens all year round, perhaps, and even perhaps ceremonial parts of— perhaps, and even perhaps ceremonial parts of the _ perhaps, and even perhaps ceremonial parts of the palace. this is a practical— parts of the palace. this is a practical matter of raising money. kin- practical matter of raising money. king charles doesn't want to depend on taxpayers' money any more than he has to _ on taxpayers' money any more than he has to he _ on taxpayers' money any more than he has to he is— on taxpayers' money any more than he has to. he is slimming down monarchy on the _ has to. he is slimming down monarchy on the basis _ has to. he is slimming down monarchy on the basis that there should be less royals on the payroll, and we should _ less royals on the payroll, and we should find more ways of the monarchy supporting itself. it has to be _ monarchy supporting itself. it has to be said — monarchy supporting itself. it has to be said that one of his achievements as prince of wales was actually— achievements as prince of wales was actually to— achievements as prince of wales was actually to generate a great deal of money— actually to generate a great deal of money through the princes trust for charities. _ money through the princes trust for charities, for good works. he has proved _ charities, for good works. he has proved sometimes controversially very good — proved sometimes controversially very good at raising money for his charities — very good at raising money for his charities. and so, he will be bringing _ charities. and so, he will be bringing that commercial sense to the monarchy, not that the queen and prince _ the monarchy, not that the queen and prince philip— the monarchy, not that the queen and prince philip weren't commercial as welt _ prince philip weren't commercial as welt these — prince philip weren't commercial as well. these are all changes that lie ahead _ well. these are all changes that lie ahead. and, you know, there is this theme _ ahead. and, you know, there is this theme that — ahead. and, you know, there is this theme that martin has raised, that theme that martin has raised, that the queen— theme that martin has raised, that the queen has to be seen to be believed — the queen has to be seen to be believed. the monarchy has to be seen _ believed. the monarchy has to be seen to— believed. the monarchy has to be seen to be — believed. the monarchy has to be seen to be believed, but you can't let too _ seen to be believed, but you can't let too much light in on the magic. it's a _ let too much light in on the magic. it's a question of maintaining the mystique — it's a question of maintaining the mystique while making it accessible as welt _ mystique while making it accessible as well. it�*s mystique while making it accessible aswell. �*, . ., . ., as well. it's a balance, quite a fine balance, _ as well. it's a balance, quite a fine balance, actually, - as well. it's a balance, quite a fine balance, actually, how. as well. it's a balance, quite a| fine balance, actually, how you judge that as the generations go on, because prince charles is not like i've done it now! king charles, king charles, and his team will have to make certain decisions as the years go on and the world has changed so much. the queen had to adapt to that end we wait and see. it puts me in mind, iforget the end we wait and see. it puts me in mind, i forget the exact phrase, but there was a lovely line about that in the statement that the now prince of wales made, prince william, now prince of wales, when he talked about that lovely touching statement, where he talked about having lost his granny. and he talked about how the queen, and i am paraphrasing, but the queen —like tradition, but she also adapted with the ages. i'm paraphrasing his thought. you put it more eloquently than me. that thought that you have to keep an eye on where society is going, i suppose. to keep an eye on where society is going, isuppose. 2nd to keep an eye on where society is going. i suppose-— to keep an eye on where society is going, i suppose. and he would have not that going, i suppose. and he would have got that idea — going, i suppose. and he would have got that idea partly _ going, i suppose. and he would have got that idea partly from _ going, i suppose. and he would have got that idea partly from his - going, i suppose. and he would have got that idea partly from his father i got that idea partly from his father but also _ got that idea partly from his father but also directly from the queen. we mustn't _ but also directly from the queen. we mustn't forget that in the years after— mustn't forget that in the years after diana's death, the closest thing _ after diana's death, the closest thing those two princes had to a mother— thing those two princes had to a mother was the queen. she stepped forward. _ mother was the queen. she stepped forward, and it so happened in those days. _ forward, and it so happened in those days, william was at eton college, 'ust days, william was at eton college, just across — days, william was at eton college, just across the road from windsor. you would — just across the road from windsor. you would regularly go across the bridge _ you would regularly go across the bridge to — you would regularly go across the bridge to have lunch with granny and grandpa. _ bridge to have lunch with granny and grandpa, but interestingly, we are told. _ grandpa, but interestingly, we are told. after— grandpa, but interestingly, we are told, after lunch, grandpa would make _ told, after lunch, grandpa would make himself discreetly absent, because — make himself discreetly absent, because the queen wanted to talk to william _ because the queen wanted to talk to william about constitutional matters. and prince philip always made _ matters. and prince philip always made a _ matters. and prince philip always made a great point of stepping aside from that— made a great point of stepping aside from that so he could do his own thing. _ from that so he could do his own thing. and — from that so he could do his own thing, and william actually learned the business of monarchy at his grandmother's knee, in those lunches at windsor~ _ grandmother's knee, in those lunches at windsor. the grandmother's knee, in those lunches at windsor. , ., ., at windsor. the personal and olitical at windsor. the personal and political all— at windsor. the personal and political all in _ at windsor. the personal and political all in one _ at windsor. the personal and political all in one there. - political all in one there. is fascinating. the focus of the day, as we were touching on, is, of course, the queen's journey from balmoral to edinburgh. as you will see, the cortege is on the move again. apologies, just occasional break up in our shop, but you will understand the technology at play here. now, we are trying to establish. we think we are very close to dundee, is that correct? obviously, there has been a slight break of service, and all the drivers involved had to quite rightly have a break as well, so we are trying to get a sense of the geography and work out exactly where we are now. certainly, dundee is the next big... i we are now. certainly, dundee is the next bi... . we are now. certainly, dundee is the next big- - -— next big... i am waiting for the shot to widen _ next big... i am waiting for the shot to widen a _ next big... i am waiting for the shot to widen a little _ next big... i am waiting for the shot to widen a little bit. - next big... i am waiting for the i shot to widen a little bit. dundee is the next big destination. they broke at brechin, two thirds of the way down to dundee from aberdeen. the helicopter, i think, was refuelled as well. the cortege has now left and we are catching up, which is why it is difficult to tell where they are. just south of brechin, we were discussing just before we lost pictures of them, we were discussing glamis castle, just south and inland a little, and that is an area that means a lot and meant a lot to the queen. she spent her summers there as a child. her grandparents one there. it was her mother's family seat, the bowes—lyon family seat. she wrote a letter as an 11—year—old, to her mother, having just finished a holiday at glamis, and she said, i think i had the happiest week of my life, playing in the lovely grounds at the glamis castle. a long, straight drive way down to this majestic castle. she said, when we left, all the people gathered at the local village station and sang will you not come back again to us. they may not have noticed that it was an old jacobite song addressed to bonnie prince charlie.— jacobite song addressed to bonnie prince charlie. again, what we were seeinu 'ust prince charlie. again, what we were seeing just on _ prince charlie. again, what we were seeing just on the _ prince charlie. again, what we were seeing just on the edge _ prince charlie. again, what we were seeing just on the edge of— prince charlie. again, what we were seeing just on the edge of the - prince charlie. again, what we were seeing just on the edge of the road| seeing just on the edge of the road put me in mind of what we were discussing an hour or so ago, the little opportunities where people have come out. as you have said, they have worked out where the vehicles will be driving, and they are dotting road, the lining the sides to catch that glimpse. i don't have much — sides to catch that glimpse. i don't have much to _ sides to catch that glimpse. i don't have much to go _ sides to catch that glimpse. i don't have much to go on, _ sides to catch that glimpse. i don't have much to go on, but _ sides to catch that glimpse. i don't have much to go on, but i - sides to catch that glimpse. i don't have much to go on, but i think- sides to catch that glimpse. i don't have much to go on, but i think we might be coming into the very outskirts of dundee. if there is a roundabout coming up shortly, it is where i think we are. there will be settlements along the side of the road now, and we are about to come into the city. if the camera pulls out, we will get a better idea. we have seen it all the way, it doesn't matter whether there are big conurbations or not, there are people. wherever there is a vantage point, there has been a person. bier? point, there has been a person. very strikinu. point, there has been a person. very striking- there _ point, there has been a person. very striking. there we _ point, there has been a person. very striking. there we are, _ point, there has been a person. very striking. there we are, looking at the royat— striking. there we are, looking at the royal limousine following, and we believe that contains the princess _ we believe that contains the princess royal, princess anne, and her husband. we can see them very clearly. _ her husband. we can see them very clearly. can't — her husband. we can see them very clearly, can't we? her daughter, the queen's— clearly, can't we? her daughter, the queen's daughter, right there behind her mother's coffin. that queen's daughter, right there behind her mother's coffin.— her mother's coffin. that reminds us that this is a — her mother's coffin. that reminds us that this is a family _ her mother's coffin. that reminds us that this is a family moment. - her mother's coffin. that reminds us that this is a family moment. i - that this is a family moment. i mean, this is a national and international moment, but those scenes outside the gates of balmoral yesterday, saturday, they were very touching and reminded you that there is a family involved here. very easy to lose sight of that, and a family like any other —— unlike any other, obviously, but very many members of the family in tears. zara, princesses eugenie and beatrice very upset, outside looking at all the flowers that were lined up outside the gates of balmoral, reading the messages, and understandably very tearful. but itjust brings it home, it reminds you. prince andrew's daughters that i mentioned there, they have lost their granny, and they have lost their granny, and they called her granny and talked about her publicly as granny, and we forget that. it about her publicly as granny, and we foruet that. . about her publicly as granny, and we foruet that. , ., forget that. it reminds me of, when was it, forget that. it reminds me of, when was it. back — forget that. it reminds me of, when was it. back in _ forget that. it reminds me of, when was it, back in covid, _ forget that. it reminds me of, when was it, back in covid, when - forget that. it reminds me of, when was it, back in covid, when virtuali was it, back in covid, when virtual meetings — was it, back in covid, when virtual meetings suddenly took the place of conventional audiences. the queen took to— conventional audiences. the queen took to the — conventional audiences. the queen took to the ipad quite enthusiastically, and she had her own ipad. — enthusiastically, and she had her own ipad, but it was princess and who. _ own ipad, but it was princess and who. not— own ipad, but it was princess and who, not taught her how to use it, we saw— who, not taught her how to use it, we saw moment when there was a virtual— we saw moment when there was a virtual meeting and princess anne .ave virtual meeting and princess anne gave her— virtual meeting and princess anne gave her mother lessons over zoom as to the _ gave her mother lessons over zoom as to the right _ gave her mother lessons over zoom as to the right buttons she should press _ to the right buttons she should press in — to the right buttons she should press in order to make the meeting, ithink— press in order to make the meeting, i think with — press in order to make the meeting, i think with a — press in order to make the meeting, i think with a group of nurses, work properly _ i think with a group of nurses, work properly. and the queen, in fact, adopted — properly. and the queen, in fact, adopted zoom during covid, notjust for important matters of state, for her audiences with the prime minister— her audiences with the prime minister and her audiences with the prime ministerand so on, her audiences with the prime minister and so on, but to keep in touch— minister and so on, but to keep in touch with — minister and so on, but to keep in touch with her racehorses. if a foal was being — touch with her racehorses. if a foal was being born, that would be transmitted to her ipad so that she could _ transmitted to her ipad so that she could see _ transmitted to her ipad so that she could see one of the foals she bred actually— could see one of the foals she bred actually coming into the world. it was a _ actually coming into the world. it was a whole new dimension to her personal— was a whole new dimension to her personal life at a time of the restrictions of covid, and also of course. — restrictions of covid, and also of course. the _ restrictions of covid, and also of course, the loss of her husband last year as— course, the loss of her husband last year as welt — again to your point about moving with the times and having two and we should come as well, but, yes. people on both sides of the road there _ people on both sides of the road there. . people on both sides of the road there. , ., people on both sides of the road there._ quite - people on both sides of the road there._ quite a i people on both sides of the road i there._ quite a lot. there. yes, there are. quite a lot. i think we — there. yes, there are. quite a lot. i think we are _ there. yes, there are. quite a lot. i think we are just _ there. yes, there are. quite a lot. i think we are just coming - i think we are just coming into dundee now. i i think we are 'ust coming into dundee now.— i think we are 'ust coming into dundee new.— i think we are 'ust coming into dundee new._ i think we are 'ust coming into dundee now. i am told it's 'ust a cou-le of dundee now. i am told it's 'ust a couple of miles * dundee now. i am told it's 'ust a couple of miles outside. h dundee now. i am told it'sjust a couple of miles outside. yes. i dundee now. i am told it'sjust a couple of miles outside. yes. an area called _ couple of miles outside. yes. an area called the _ couple of miles outside. yes. an area called the murrows, - couple of miles outside. yes. an area called the murrows, i - couple of miles outside. yes. an| area called the murrows, i think. for our international viewers, a sizeable town?— for our international viewers, a sizeable town?- yes. i for our international viewers, a sizeable town?- yes. sizeable town? dundee? yes. one of the eiuht sizeable town? dundee? yes. one of the eight cities _ sizeable town? dundee? yes. one of the eight cities of _ sizeable town? dundee? yes. one of the eight cities of scotland. - the eight cities of scotland. dunfermline was made a city earlier this year because of the platinum jubilee, it had that honour bestowed on it. around 250,000, the population. not that huge. dundee is going through a real period of regeneration. down on the waterfront, as the cortege enters the town, goes through a couple of roundabouts, then it will turn right along the kingsway. if it went straight ahead and down to the waterfront it would arrive at the new victoria and albert museum which has opened in dundee. that was about five, six years ago. it has really sparked a process of regeneration. almost the way the albert dock did in liverpool, it spread, other businesses moved in, and arty community is developing there. it is also a centre of technology. a centre of the world's computer games development in the uk. also health and technology. dundee is coming up with some really extraordinary, innovative work and a lot of money is being put into it there. also, the only city in scotland which is bucking a population trend, it is the youngest by some distance. i think the average age for a city is 45, and in dundee it is 38.- 45, and in dundee it is 38. partly throuuh 45, and in dundee it is 38. partly through the _ 45, and in dundee it is 38. partly through the technology - through the technology opportunities?- through the technology opportunities? through the technology o-nortunities? , . ., , opportunities? yes, and a big student population. _ opportunities? yes, and a big student population. but - opportunities? yes, and a big i student population. but dundee opportunities? yes, and a big - student population. but dundee is a city which has had its problems. historically it has suffered quite badly. it still comes off quite badly. it still comes off quite badly in the list of urban deprivation and so on, but there is hope for regeneration. what it has to do is keep all of the students who are learning there in the city to be the working population in the future. just like scotland needs to work out how to keep the people who come to scotland to learn to stay. scotland has an ageing population so they need to sort that.— they need to sort that. dundee is also famous _ they need to sort that. dundee is also famous as _ they need to sort that. dundee is also famous as the _ they need to sort that. dundee is also famous as the home - they need to sort that. dundee is also famous as the home of - they need to sort that. dundee is i also famous as the home of orange marmalade. dundee marmalade. i see from the _ marmalade. dundee marmalade. i see from the jar— marmalade. dundee marmalade. i see from the jar it is made in dundee and croydon. how much is made in croydon— and croydon. how much is made in croydon these days and how much in dundee _ croydon these days and how much in dundee may be a open question. to return dundee may be a open question. return to the dundee may be a open question. in return to the paddington theme! exactly. return to the paddington theme! exactl . �* ,., return to the paddington theme! exactl . ~ exactly. also the soft fruit industry — exactly. also the soft fruit industry which _ exactly. also the soft fruit industry which i _ exactly. also the soft fruit industry which i was - exactly. also the soft fruit l industry which i was talking exactly. also the soft fruit - industry which i was talking about industry which i was talking about in angus earlier on. as a consequence there was a big jam industry. also the jute consequence there was a big jam industry. also thejute industry. and the third word beginning withj, journalism. the beano, the dandy, jackie magazine, do you remember that? , ., , , jackie magazine, do you remember that? , . , , ., jackie magazine, do you remember that? , . , , . all jackie magazine, do you remember that?_ all thati that? yes, that is my era. all that stuff. that? yes, that is my era. all that stuff- legendary _ that? yes, that is my era. all that stuff. legendary british _ that? yes, that is my era. all that. stuff. legendary british magazines. jam aaivin stuff. legendary british magazines. jam giving largely _ stuff. legendary british magazines. jam giving largely way _ stuff. legendary british magazines. jam giving largely way to _ stuff. legendary british magazines. jam giving largely way to computer| jam giving largely way to computer games, technology innovation, and the arts. . ., ., ., ~ , the arts. the victoria and albert, the arts. the victoria and albert, the outpost _ the arts. the victoria and albert, the outpost of— the arts. the victoria and albert, the outpost of the _ the arts. the victoria and albert, the outpost of the london - the arts. the victoria and albert, i the outpost of the london museum. exactly. the outpost of the london museum. exactl . , , ., the outpost of the london museum. exactl. , , ., ., , exactly. does dundee have anything to do with north _ exactly. does dundee have anything to do with north sea _ exactly. does dundee have anything to do with north sea oil— exactly. does dundee have anything to do with north sea oil and - exactly. does dundee have anything | to do with north sea oil and energy? the home _ to do with north sea oil and energy? the home of north sea oil was aberdeen. 65 miles up the road. sparked, appropriately, by the queen backin sparked, appropriately, by the queen back in 1965. in the bb headquarters she pressed a gold button which opened the oil pipeline from the 40s oilfield and opened the oil pipeline from the 40s oil field and effectively then began the north sea oil boom. —— in the bp headquarters. our reliance on fossil fuels is fading. our reliance on the north sea is draining although there are still discussions as to whether licences should be granted to drill further. but it is all being replaced by renewables. there is a move afoot to make sure that while one industry goes they don't get left behind. they are pushing green energy to aberdeen as a replacement for the old fossilfuel energy to aberdeen as a replacement for the old fossil fuel industry. looks like the suburbs we are entering _ looks like the suburbs we are enterina. . looks like the suburbs we are enterina. , ~ _., , looks like the suburbs we are enterina. . . , ., looks like the suburbs we are enterina. , ~ ., entering. yes. anybody who has driven this _ entering. yes. anybody who has driven this road _ entering. yes. anybody who has driven this road will _ entering. yes. anybody who has driven this road will know- entering. yes. anybody who has driven this road will know this i driven this road will know this roundabout because you get stuck in traffic all the time. we are going to enter the kingsway, which was named in memory of edward vii, the queen's great—grandfather? yes. queen's great-grandfather? yes, great-grandfather, _ queen's great—grandfather? yes, great—grandfather, that's correct. grandfather is george v, father is george _ grandfather is george v, father is george vi. — grandfather is george v, father is george vi, yes, great—grandfather, edward _ george vi, yes, great—grandfather, edward v“. — george vi, yes, great—grandfather, edward vii, the son of queen victoria. ., ., , ., victoria. long after his time, of course, victoria. long after his time, of course. but _ victoria. long after his time, of course, but this _ victoria. long after his time, of course, but this road _ victoria. long after his time, of course, but this road was - victoria. long after his time, of| course, but this road was named victoria. long after his time, of - course, but this road was named in his memory and as the, kind of, the peripheral road round dundee. there are n-eole peripheral road round dundee. there are people clapping- _ peripheral road round dundee. there are people clapping. people are taking photos. quite a lot of people clapping, actually. yes. it is a shame we _ clapping, actually. yes. it is a shame we cannot quite - clapping, actually. .23 it is a shame we cannot quite get the sound on this, i don't think, but i can see that. a continual stream. this has been a very, very long stretch of people who have stood. to your point, robert, they are only going to get the briefest glimpse. the car is slowing down a little but they are still getting a fairly brief glimpse. are still getting a fairly brief ulim nse. , ., glimpse. they will turn right at this roundabout. _ glimpse. they will turn right at this roundabout. that - glimpse. they will turn right at this roundabout. that is - glimpse. they will turn right at this roundabout. that is where | glimpse. they will turn right at | this roundabout. that is where i glimpse. they will turn right at - this roundabout. that is where i was telling you early on about the grass banks which surround this road and form a natural kind of place to come and watch. i think we will see the crowds thicken up even further. ina in a moment i think we willjust be able to see a different camera angle, which also might give us a bit more of an idea of, as martin said, the crowds thickening as they get right into the heart of the city. seems quite relaxed. a lot of people spilling out onto the road but it is all very well contained. 2nd spilling out onto the road but it is all very well contained.— spilling out onto the road but it is all very well contained. and a close shot that we're _ all very well contained. and a close shot that we're on _ all very well contained. and a close shot that we're on here. _ all very well contained. and a close shot that we're on here. a - all very well contained. and a close shot that we're on here. a slightly l shot that we're on here. a slightly less reliable shot, apologies, but you will appreciate this is a 170 mile journey are trying to cover today. the odd glitch along the way, i am afraid, is to be expected. but, look, just one flower stem on the windscreen of that car. somebody has thrown flowers. we can tune in for the applause. applause yes, i mean, we are talking certainly thousands of people, aren't we, that have turned out? yes. and this is a long road. this is three, four miles, around the outskirts of dundee before the cortege will leave and head towards perth. plenty of space to watch. if you are looking at people too, three people deep here, that is quite something. —— people two, three people deep. the houses that you see there, it moves up the hill, and the city kind of covers that hill and down the other side.— city kind of covers that hill and down the other side. and the route overall, martin, _ down the other side. and the route overall, martin, that _ down the other side. and the route overall, martin, that we _ down the other side. and the route overall, martin, that we were - overall, martin, that we were talking about at the start of the day. today's focus is balmoral to edinburgh. elements of the route will have been chosen to allow people to come out from various towns and conurbations to give people the opportunity to do exactly what these people are doing. this is not about necessarily taking the fastest route on thatjourney, it is about selecting a root and going through appropriate places that there is perhaps a royal connection? i think so. to an extent. they could have altered the route and made it a longerjourney to have altered the route and made it a longer journey to deliberately have altered the route and made it a longerjourney to deliberately pass through other towns on the way down. they bypassed quite a lot. but what they have done is taken a route which has taken them through the cities. if they had done a more direct route down the cairngorms, through glenshee, through braemar and blairgowrie, they would have missed most of the main centres of population. they have taken a slightly longer route, down the dual carriageway, so that they hit aberdeen and dundee, for example. you can see the two football stadiums in the top of your shot. the two rival teams there. 2nd stadiums in the top of your shot. the two rival teams there. and new housina the two rival teams there. and new housing developments, _ the two rival teams there. and new housing developments, the - the two rival teams there. and new housing developments, the golf- housing developments, the golf course — housing developments, the golf course. the queen is being driven through— course. the queen is being driven through her— course. the queen is being driven through her britain, isn't she? quite — through her britain, isn't she? quite. there is a lot going on in dundee at the moment. does not seem to be anybody — dundee at the moment. does not seem to be anybody out _ dundee at the moment. does not seem to be anybody out on _ dundee at the moment. does not seem to be anybody out on that _ dundee at the moment. does not seem to be anybody out on that golf- to be anybody out on that golf course — to be anybody out on that golf course. they are taking their chance to say— course. they are taking their chance to say farewell, as well, i imagine. yes~ _ to say farewell, as well, i imagine. yes we _ to say farewell, as well, i imagine. yes we are — to say farewell, as well, i imagine. yes. we are about 55 miles, probably, from the end of the journey now. probably, from the end of the journey now— probably, from the end of the journey now. fiic are something like journey now. ok. are something like that, journey now. 0k. are something like that, 60 miles may be. the convoy is travelling slowly so perhaps another... normally it would be one hour from another... normally it would be one hourfrom dundee another... normally it would be one hour from dundee to another... normally it would be one hourfrom dundee to edinburgh, realistically. probably another two, i would say, at the speed they are going out. for i would say, at the speed they are auoin out. ., .,, ., , i would say, at the speed they are auoin out. ., ., , ., , going out. for obvious reasons because they _ going out. for obvious reasons because they want _ going out. for obvious reasons because they want people - going out. for obvious reasons because they want people to i going out. for obvious reasons| because they want people to be able to witness this moment of history. yes. i to witness this moment of history. yes. . ., ., ., yes. i reference that one flower stem on the _ yes. i reference that one flower stem on the windscreen. - yes. i reference that one flower stem on the windscreen. the i yes. i reference that one flower- stem on the windscreen. the reason i mentioned that. if you weren't with us for our coverage much early in the day at the start of this journey, we were waiting to see whether people would try to throw flowers in the path, reminiscent, of course, of scenes 25 years ago. but a number of local councils had put out requests in the to today asking people, in fact, not to do that. please come, please share this moment, but please do not throw flowers into the path of the cortege, they asked people. for entirely practical, straightforward reasons. they simply did not want other road users to have any problems once the cortege had passed through. that is why it was striking just to see that one. potentially problems for the driver, as well, of course, it would have been a practical announcement, course, it would have been a practicalannouncement, but practical announcement, but nonetheless towns, practicalannouncement, but nonetheless towns, villages, cities wanting to encourage people to come out and see the queen's coffin on its final journey to out and see the queen's coffin on its finaljourney to edinburgh. we will stay with these pictures as the queen's coffin continues its journey here. but whilst we continue to look at this and see the people who have turned out to pay their respects, we've just in the last few moments had a statement through from the prince of wales. of course, perhaps, i should remind you that is prince william we are talking about. it is still easy to forget. it's early days. this is the new prince of wales. just a brief statement expressing how honoured he is to be made prince of wales because it wasn't automatic, it wasn't a given, it is something that was announced by his father, the new king. he is expressing his honour in being asked to serve the welsh people and that he will do so with humility and great respect. the prince acknowledged his and the princess's deep affection for wales having made their first deep affection for wales having made theirfirst family home in deep affection for wales having made their first family home in anglesey, including during the earliest months of installed's life. the statement goes on to say that the prince and princess will spend the months and years ahead deepening their relationship with communities across wales. they want to do their part to support the aspirations of the welsh people and shine a spotlight on both the challenges and opportunities in front of them. the prince and princess look forward to celebrating wales' proud history and traditions as well as a future that is full of promise, and they will seek to live up promise, and they will seek to live up to the proud contribution that members of the royal family have made in years past. just a closing thought from the new prince of wales. their royal highnesses look forward to travelling to wales very soon and meeting the first minister and other leaders at the earliest opportunity. so, that first formal statement from the new prince of wales. and his wife, of course, the princess of, and talking about how proud they are that king charles has asked them to be prince and princess of. and it looks as if they will be trying to visit where very soon. robert? the prince of wales _ visit where very soon. robert? ii2 prince of wales is of visit where very soon. robert? i““i2 prince of wales is of course a very old title, going back into the middle ages, but it is assumed —— it has assumed its modern significance, as part of the mechanisms for making the monarchy relevant all round the british isles. just in comparatively recent times, just as edward vii, great—grandfather of the queen, had the first lying in state, he was the person who decided to invest his son, edward viii, the future edward viii, is the first modern prince of wales, with all the ceremonial and conniving castle and in wales, which many of us will remember being associated with prince charles. robert lacey:_ associated with prince charles. robert lacey: ., , , , , associated with prince charles. robertlacey: ., , , , ., robert lacey: that presumably is to come for prince _ robert lacey: that presumably is to come for prince william, _ robert lacey: that presumably is to come for prince william, he _ robert lacey: that presumably is to come for prince william, he seems i robert lacey: that presumably is to come for prince william, he seems to | come for prince william, he seems to refer to it in this statement. and without getting too political, yes, it is one of the strategies by which the crown seeks to hold the united kingdom together. we are going to see that shortly this afternoon in edinburgh, and tomorrow, the crown playing its part in keeping the united kingdom united, as certainly the queen and king charles ii! want to do. well, here is prince william adding his dimension to that, and just reminding us that, it is not just reminding us that, it is not just scotland that is a constituent part of the united kingdom, there is wales as well. find part of the united kingdom, there is wales as well-— wales as well. and we are going to behind in scotland _ wales as well. and we are going to behind in scotland in _ wales as well. and we are going to behind in scotland in a _ wales as well. and we are going to behind in scotland in a heartbeat. l behind in scotland in a heartbeat. but before that, was i right in saying that it was not a given that he would be prince of wales, is that correct? ., , ., ., correct? nothing is a given. for example. _ correct? nothing is a given. for example. what _ correct? nothing is a given. for example, what is _ correct? nothing is a given. for example, what is going - correct? nothing is a given. for example, what is going to - correct? nothing is a given. for. example, what is going to happen correct? nothing is a given. for- example, what is going to happen to the title of duke of edinburgh? that has been taken back into the group of titles that belong to the crown. there is quite a strong feeling that prince edward, who is head of the duke of edinburgh award scheme, should be honoured with this title that his father had. indeed, that was the intention once, and presumably that will be one of the other developments that we will see in the future, the duke of edinburgh award scheme of course being an enormously successful youth movement which prince edward and sophie, his wife, the earl and countess of wessex, they are only earls, you see, they should become duke and duchess sometime, and there is a school of thought that it should be edinburgh that goes to them. idbfe school of thought that it should be edinburgh that goes to them. we wait to see, edinburgh that goes to them. we wait to see. thank — edinburgh that goes to them. we wait to see, thank you _ edinburgh that goes to them. we wait to see, thank you very _ edinburgh that goes to them. we wait to see, thank you very much - edinburgh that goes to them. we wait to see, thank you very much for - edinburgh that goes to them. we wait to see, thank you very much for now, | to see, thank you very much for now, robert lacey. jane robert lacey. jane hill: as i promised, we are going to head back to scotland because that is our primary focus today, as we stay with these images of the cortege in dundee. let's return to sarah smith, in edinburgh, which of course ultimately is where... back to you, sarah. yes, it is probably another— where... back to you, sarah. yes, it is probably another couple _ where... back to you, sarah. yes, it is probably another couple of- where... back to you, sarah. yes, it is probably another couple of hours| is probably another couple of hours before we will see the cortege actually entering edinburgh, but people are already lining the route it is going to take, they have come out to pay their respects and say goodbye to the queen, as the hearse will drive past. i am joined here now by magnus linklater, a distinguished journalist and commentator on scottish affairs, former scotland editor of the times. you have been out looking out the crowds, which are gathering already, hours before we expect the hearse to come through edinburgh, what were people saying to you there? well. people saying to you there? well, there is a huge — people saying to you there? well, there is a huge atmosphere - people saying to you there? well, there is a huge atmosphere of- there is a huge atmosphere of respect. — there is a huge atmosphere of respect, anticipation, adoration, i might— respect, anticipation, adoration, i might almost put it. people have been _ might almost put it. people have been there for hours, one couple i spoke _ been there for hours, one couple i spoke to— been there for hours, one couple i spoke to had been there since nine o'clock— spoke to had been there since nine o'clock this — spoke to had been there since nine o'clock this morning and they have not o'clock this morning and they have got some — o'clock this morning and they have got some time to wait still, so there — got some time to wait still, so there is— got some time to wait still, so there is no— got some time to wait still, so there is no question about the sense of anticipation.— of anticipation. we've been talking a lot about how— of anticipation. we've been talking a lot about how we _ of anticipation. we've been talking a lot about how we know the - of anticipation. we've been talking | a lot about how we know the queen felt scotland to be a very special place, this wonderful country she caught itjust last year, is that what endeared her particularly do you think to the people in scotland? we have had this astonishing show of people coming out to pay their respects, who obviously did feel she was a very special part of their lives? . ~ was a very special part of their lives? , ~' ,. . . , lives? yes, i think particularly in that art lives? yes, i think particularly in that part of _ lives? yes, i think particularly in that part of aberdeen _ lives? yes, i think particularly in that part of aberdeen shire - lives? yes, i think particularly in. that part of aberdeen shire where she was. — that part of aberdeen shire where she was, where people regarded her almost _ she was, where people regarded her almost as— she was, where people regarded her almost as a — she was, where people regarded her almost as a neighbour, she really felt at _ almost as a neighbour, she really felt at home, she felt she could relax— felt at home, she felt she could relax there, it was a very special place _ relax there, it was a very special place for— relax there, it was a very special place for her. and i think the local people _ place for her. and i think the local people that she got to know whether kind of— people that she got to know whether kind of scots that she felt very much — kind of scots that she felt very much at — kind of scots that she felt very much at home with.— kind of scots that she felt very much at home with. we've been talkin: much at home with. we've been talking earlier _ much at home with. we've been talking earlier in _ much at home with. we've been talking earlier in this _ much at home with. we've been | talking earlier in this programme about the fact that opinion polls would suggest that scotland is not quite as supportive of the monarchy as other parts of the united kingdom, but the scenes we are seeing today would belie that, we are seeing hundreds of thousands of people lining the streets to catch a brief glimpse of the house going past. brief glimpse of the house going nast. . brief glimpse of the house going nast. , ., , ., brief glimpse of the house going .ast. , ., , ., brief glimpse of the house going ast. , ., , . ., brief glimpse of the house going ast. , , . ., , past. yes, the scots are said to be divided on — past. yes, the scots are said to be divided on the _ past. yes, the scots are said to be divided on the institution - past. yes, the scots are said to be divided on the institution of- past. yes, the scots are said to be divided on the institution of the i divided on the institution of the monarchy, after all, we had an independence referendum which divided — independence referendum which divided the nation down the middle. but certainly, that crowd there, you wouldn't _ but certainly, that crowd there, you wouldn't for — but certainly, that crowd there, you wouldn't for a moment think that they were — wouldn't for a moment think that they were anti—monarchy. some of them _ they were anti—monarchy. some of them might make a distinction between — them might make a distinction between their love for the queen and there views _ between their love for the queen and there views about the monarchy, but i certainly _ there views about the monarchy, but i certainly didn't come across any of that— i certainly didn't come across any of that at— i certainly didn't come across any of that at all, and i was also asking — of that at all, and i was also asking people about king charles, did they— asking people about king charles, did they feel is affectionate towards him? and the general view was. _ towards him? and the general view was. you _ towards him? and the general view was, you know, they were very impressed _ was, you know, they were very impressed by the speech he had made, and they— impressed by the speech he had made, and they think that he is a worthy successor~ — and they think that he is a worthy successor. so, time will tell. and it is important — successor. so, time will tell. and it is important i _ successor. so, time will tell. and it is important i think _ successor. so, time will tell. 2“i:r. it is important i think that what we're seeing here, this cortege, driving through a large part of scotland, and the queen's coffin will come here to edinburgh, there will come here to edinburgh, there will be a service tomorrow at st giles' cathedral, attended by senior memos of the royal family, and then an opportunity for people to come through st giles' and see the coffin themselves as the queen lays at rest there. forthis themselves as the queen lays at rest there. for this to be happening in scotland, to make sure that scotland is included in the ceremony that is involved in saying goodbye to queen elizabeth, it feels fitting and important. elizabeth, it feels fitting and important-— elizabeth, it feels fitting and im nortant. , ,, , elizabeth, it feels fitting and im-ortant. , ,, , ., important. yes. the queen used to refer to holyroodhouse _ important. yes. the queen used to refer to holyroodhouse as - important. yes. the queen used to refer to holyroodhouse as her- important. yes. the queen used to | refer to holyroodhouse as her home from home. — refer to holyroodhouse as her home from home, it was her kind of staging — from home, it was her kind of staging post on the way to balmoral. she felt— staging post on the way to balmoral. she felt very much at home there. and so. _ she felt very much at home there. and so. for— she felt very much at home there. and so, for her, edinburgh, st giles' — and so, for her, edinburgh, st dies in— and so, for her, edinburgh, st giles' in particular, with which she was very. — giles' in particular, with which she was very, very familiar, was an entirely— was very, very familiar, was an entirely fitting place for her to be, entirely fitting place for her to be. and — entirely fitting place for her to be. and i_ entirely fitting place for her to be, and i guarantee there will be a massive _ be, and i guarantee there will be a massive turnout tomorrow by that coffin _ massive turnout tomorrow by that coffin it _ massive turnout tomorrow by that coffin. . massive turnout tomorrow by that coffin. , , ., coffin. it will be interesting to find out how— coffin. it will be interesting to find out how they _ coffin. it will be interesting to find out how they are - coffin. it will be interesting to find out how they are going i coffin. it will be interesting to j find out how they are going to manage what is bound to be thousands and thousands of people who want to take that walk through st giles' cathedral and pay their respects at the end, it will be interesting to see how they manage that. but there will be more to see her tomorrow as well, because there we'll be a procession coming from holyroodhouse after the coffin has lain there overnight, coming back up the royal mile, through the historic centre of edinburgh, which is a very fitting place for this to happen, not the first monarch to have passed through their? j �* first monarch to have passed through their? j ~ ., first monarch to have passed through their? ; ~ ., ., their? veryfitting. after all, that nalace their? veryfitting. after all, that palace has _ their? veryfitting. after all, that palace has seen _ their? veryfitting. after all, that palace has seen a _ their? veryfitting. after all, that palace has seen a fair _ their? veryfitting. after all, that palace has seen a fair amount i their? veryfitting. after all, that palace has seen a fair amount ofj palace has seen a fair amount of history. — palace has seen a fair amount of history, some quite violent history, by the _ history, some quite violent history, by the way — history, some quite violent history, by the way. mary, queen of scots lived _ by the way. mary, queen of scots lived there — by the way. mary, queen of scots lived there for many years, saw her favourite _ lived there for many years, saw her favourite courtier holdout and to favourite courtier holdout and - to death _ favourite courtier holdout and to death in the room next stabbed to death in the room next dool’. _ stabbed to death in the room next door. and — stabbed to death in the room next door, and things like that happened, that place _ door, and things like that happened, that place came under siege, but at the same _ that place came under siege, but at the same time, it has been lovingly restored _ the same time, it has been lovingly restored by— the same time, it has been lovingly restored by successive monarchs, obviously— restored by successive monarchs, obviously thought very, very highly of it _ obviously thought very, very highly of it. ., , ., , obviously thought very, very highly ofit. . , , ,, ., of it. have you been surprised to see the numbers _ of it. have you been surprised to see the numbers of _ of it. have you been surprised to see the numbers of people - of it. have you been surprised to see the numbers of people who l of it. have you been surprised to - see the numbers of people who have come out to watch the cortege driving past? ifiat come out to watch the cortege driving past?— driving past? not really, no. i think the _ driving past? not really, no. i think the scots _ driving past? not really, no. i think the scots loved - driving past? not really, no. i think the scots loved the - driving past? not really, no. i. think the scots loved the queen, driving past? not really, no. i- think the scots loved the queen, for all that— think the scots loved the queen, for all that they may have divided views about _ all that they may have divided views about the _ all that they may have divided views about the union, and of course, the monarchy— about the union, and of course, the monarchy is — about the union, and of course, the monarchy is a — about the union, and of course, the monarchy is a unionist institution, but nevertheless, when it comes to the queen— but nevertheless, when it comes to the queen and her years of service, no, the queen and her years of service, no. i_ the queen and her years of service, no. iam— the queen and her years of service, no. i am not — the queen and her years of service, no, i am not at all surprised, and the queen and her years of service, no, lam not at all surprised, and i no, iam not at all surprised, and i think— no, lam not at all surprised, and i think we _ no, iam not at all surprised, and i think we will— no, lam not at all surprised, and i think we will see a massive turnout tomorrow — think we will see a massive turnout tomorrow. �* . think we will see a massive turnout tomorrow. . , ,, ., think we will see a massive turnout tomorrow. . , ~ ., ., ~ think we will see a massive turnout tomorrow. . , ~ . ., ~ , ., tomorrow. angus linklater, thank you ve much tomorrow. angus linklater, thank you very much for— tomorrow. angus linklater, thank you very much for talking _ tomorrow. angus linklater, thank you very much for talking to _ tomorrow. angus linklater, thank you very much for talking to us _ tomorrow. angus linklater, thank you very much for talking to us here - tomorrow. angus linklater, thank you very much for talking to us here in - very much for talking to us here in edinburgh, where we expect, in probably under two hours' time, the cortege will make its way through the streets of edinburgh before ending up at holyroodhouse, the official residence of the monarch in scotland. the coffin will be taken into the throne room, where it will rest overnight before members of the royal family come to holyrood palace tomorrow, and there is a procession from there to st giles' cathedral for a service of remembrance, and the streets will be lined pretty much all the way, i would imagine, wherever people can manage to get a place on the roadside in order to catch a glimpse of it, they will do so, as it makes its way into edinburgh, where hundreds of thousands are waiting to be able to pay their last respects as the coffin goes past them on its way into central edinburgh. sarah smith, many thanks for now. more from edinburghjust a many thanks for now. more from edinburgh just a little later on. many thanks for now. more from edinburghjust a little later on. a very good afternoon if you are just joining us. you're watching bbc news, as we continue with our coverage of the cortege which is carrying the queen's coffin. it is travelling today from balmoral to the palace of holyroodhouse in edinburgh. let'sjust remind the palace of holyroodhouse in edinburgh. let's just remind you what we've been witnessing and indeed what is to come. the cortege set off just after ten indeed what is to come. the cortege set offjust after ten o'clock indeed what is to come. the cortege set off just after ten o'clock this morning, due to arrive in edinburgh in the next couple of hours. and while we see it still travelling beyond dundee, this is a sense of what we expect to happen in the next few days. a service will then be held, it will be attended by members of the royal family, among others, and there will be a short period of lying at rest, in the evening, there will be a video. a vigil. and again, as we are seeing here today, accompanied by the princess royal. then, moving onto wednesday... the route to westminster hall will take in horse guards, whitehall, parliament square and new palace yard. ! and members of the royal family willjoin that procession, although it is being described as a small and personal procession, in fact. during that procession, guns will be fired. the queen will lie in state at westminster hall for four full days, after a short service conducted by the archbishop of canterbury. the lying in state will end on september the 19th, the day of the queen's funeral. the lying in state will end at 0630 in the morning of september the 19th, the day the queen's funeral takes place at 11 o'clock in the morning. we have been talking about the crowds that have gathered over the last few days, look at that carpet of flowers at windsor. we have been talking about the flowers which have been building up at green park, next to buckingham palace. this is the scene this afternoon from windsor. again, somewhere, robert lacey, that the queen felt at home, i think, windsor. we are talking a lot about scotland today, quite rightly, and we know it is the home that she loved the most, but she was also part of the community in windsor. and again, not uncommon to see the queen or other members of the royal family out and about in that area? you're quite right about windsor, the queen always inhabited buckingham palace out of a sense of duty, really. it wasn't her home. it is so interesting we hear about balmoral being her real home, or sandringham in east anglia, or windsor. this does reflect that she was essentially a rural person. and another aspect of her sense of duty, that she did her stuff in buckingham palace, but loved to escape, and indeedin palace, but loved to escape, and indeed in the later years of her life, windsor, with covid, windsor did become her residence rinse philipjoined her there in his final years as well. it was very interesting that yesterday her grandsons, william and harry, with their wives, it was where they came to greet the crowds who were laying flowers. yes. where they came to greet the crowds who were laying flowers.— who were laying flowers. yes, and ou who were laying flowers. yes, and you mentioned — who were laying flowers. yes, and you mentioned that _ who were laying flowers. yes, and you mentioned that are _ who were laying flowers. yes, and you mentioned that are quite - who were laying flowers. yes, and you mentioned that are quite an i you mentioned that are quite an unexpected moment, not what we were anticipating yesterday? it unexpected moment, not what we were anticipating yesterday?— anticipating yesterday? it wasn't. it's not the _ anticipating yesterday? it wasn't. it's not the first _ anticipating yesterday? it wasn't. it's not the first time, _ anticipating yesterday? it wasn't. it's not the first time, it - anticipating yesterday? it wasn't. it's not the first time, it is - it's not the first time, it is actually the third time since their well—known disagreements, it is the third time we have seen william and harry in public together. at the funeral of their grandfather, prince philip, and then at the unveiling of the statue to their mother, diana a project which they organised together, and again yesterday. and i think on each occasion, what was remarkable was the expression of unity that they conveyed. there is no concealing the fact any more that there are disagreements the brothers but when events like this happen, the death of their grandfather, doing honour to their mother or now who can make comparisons, but doing honour to their grandmother, then personal differences are set aside. and i was really struck, i attended for example the unveiling of diana's statue and you wouldn't have dreamt they had a quarrel in the world could and it was not acting, i like to stress this, it is a performance but a performance in the ultimate cause, of paying respect to what matters. their grandfather, their mother and now their grandmother. for events like this that really matter, they do come together because they share their commitment and devotion to what those very precious people in their lives stand for. and we shall see what comes in the weeks ahead but we understand that vince charles, sorry, i've done it again! king charles played a very decisive role in what happened yesterday —— prince charles. on understand he they spoke together, and as a result of that call, prince william then got in touch with his brother and we saw what used to be called the fab four out together. people will make their own interpretations of the body language and that sort of thing, that is not my area of expertise, but what i can see is a couple of brothers and their wives paying homage to a woman that all of them respected in their different ways. them respected in their different wa s. . ., . , ways. yes, that is the unifying because they're. _ ways. yes, that is the unifying because they're. it _ ways. yes, that is the unifying because they're. it is - ways. yes, that is the unifying because they're. it is and - ways. yes, that is the unifying because they're. it is and who | ways. yes, that is the unifying - because they're. it is and who knows what will happen _ because they're. it is and who knows what will happen in _ because they're. it is and who knows what will happen in the _ because they're. it is and who knows what will happen in the weeks - because they're. it is and who knows i what will happen in the weeks ahead? in the days ahead. 22 what will happen in the weeks ahead? in the days ahead.— in the days ahead. -- the unifying cause. in the days ahead. -- the unifying cause- and _ in the days ahead. -- the unifying cause- and we _ in the days ahead. -- the unifying cause. and we shall— in the days ahead. -- the unifying cause. and we shall see _ in the days ahead. -- the unifying cause. and we shall see the - in the days ahead. -- the unifying i cause. and we shall see the brothers and their wives _ cause. and we shall see the brothers and their wives together _ cause. and we shall see the brothers and their wives together again - cause. and we shall see the brothers and their wives together again in - and their wives together again in the days that follow. it is worth noting, if we are pursuing this theme, that the moment the queen died, archie and lily bet, the children of the duke and duchess of sussex, became royal highness is. there has been no public announcement about but that is the situation under the 1917 convention, the grandchildren of the monarch become royal and there has been no contradiction of that. there is not emphasis on it at the moment eeeh emphasis on it at the moment even thou . h emphasis on it at the moment even though they — emphasis on it at the moment even though they are _ emphasis on it at the moment even though they are not _ emphasis on it at the moment even though they are not working royals. they are not, but it's a matter of absolute etiquette established by george v, that the grandchildren of the monarch are automatically hrhs unless they choose not to use that title but they certainly have that right available to them now and it's the sort of detail we will visibly see worked out in the days and weeks ahead. . see worked out in the days and weeks ahead. , , ., , see worked out in the days and weeks ahead. , ,., , ., ahead. interesting, so they have the riaht, ahead. interesting, so they have the riuht, if ahead. interesting, so they have the right. if they — ahead. interesting, so they have the right. if they wish. _ ahead. interesting, so they have the right, if they wish, when _ ahead. interesting, so they have the right, if they wish, when they're - right, if they wish, when they're older to renounce it but from here on in it is automatic, part of the tradition. . . �* . tradition. yes, the children... as we know. — tradition. yes, the children... as we know, princess _ tradition. yes, the children... as we know, princess and _ tradition. yes, the children... as we know, princess and decided i tradition. yes, the children... as i we know, princess and decided she never wanted her children to be royal highness is and not to take up this option and they have not —— princess and. when it comes interestingly, prince andrew was insistent his daughters should be royal highness is and so they are whereas princess anne's children are not.— children are not. zara tindall. that's right- _ children are not. zara tindall. that's right. it _ children are not. zara tindall. that's right. it is _ children are not. zara tindall. that's right. it is interesting i children are not. zara tindall. i that's right. it is interesting how the earl and countess of wessex, prince edward and sophie as people call them, have actually not made a decision on this, they have given their own children the option. they have said, you make up your minds when you are 18. they have a son and a daughter. and 18 is coming up. you can decide whether you want to opt for this life or decide whether to not, it's in your hands. it is an issue that has been put to the site for the moment, but it is one of the issues that is what people have referred to as being in the in tray of king charles. he certainly has not made any move at the moment to contradict the fact that his grandchildren by harry and makin are now royal highness is prince archie and princess lilibet, technically. very interesting and perhaps not something many of us have thought about or are aware of. there was a very loving line about them in what i thought was a very moving speech from the new king, his address where he referenced the fact they have chosen to make their life overseas but still his son. he chosen to make their life overseas but still his son.— but still his son. he supported them. but still his son. he supported them- not _ but still his son. he supported them. not to _ but still his son. he supported them. not to be _ but still his son. he supported them. not to be a _ but still his son. he supported them. not to be a naysayer- but still his son. he supported| them. not to be a naysayer but prince harry has got a memoir coming out in which he has given the impression he is going to air certain grievances. that is a question hanging over the future. meghan the other day made a point of saying, i have not signed anything that will stop me saying exactly what i think, but these are issues for the future.— what i think, but these are issues for the future. indeed they are and toda i for the future. indeed they are and today i will — for the future. indeed they are and today i will focus _ for the future. indeed they are and today i will focus very _ for the future. indeed they are and today i will focus very much - for the future. indeed they are and today i will focus very much is - for the future. indeed they are and today i will focus very much is on i today i will focus very much is on what we are looking at here now. if you are justjoining what we are looking at here now. if you arejustjoining us what we are looking at here now. if you are justjoining us the queen's coffin left balmoral, the home she loved so much, at ten o'clock this morning, and is being driven as part of a cortege south to edinburgh where it will lie at rest for a period to allow people there in the scottish capital to pay their respects. ajourney scottish capital to pay their respects. a journey that today was estimated to take about six hours longer than it would ordinarily take of course, because at quite a lot of various points, as you would expect, the vehicles slow down, certainly through towns and villages, so people can catch a glimpse of the queen on her very lastjourney. and certainly, over the hours we have been watching, we have seen a considerable turnout. we don't have any official estimates or figures from the authorities as to how many people have been in the various towns but bearing in mind that, as we have been reflecting all day, many of the areas it is driven through our sparsely populated, it has been quite striking to see the number of people lining the roads, getting any vantage point they can. we have seen people lined across bridges to catch a glimpse of the hearse as it drives below them. historian and biographer robert lacey is watching this all with us this afternoon, as is my colleague, the bbc�*s martin geissler, my colleague from bbc scotland. we have seen the cortege passing through dundee some miles ago. and forgive me, martin, we turn to you as ever! with your expert local knowledge to assess how the journey is progressing. iii assess how the 'ourney is progressing._ assess how the 'ourney is nttroressin. . , , progressing. if i am completely honest, i progressing. if i am completely honest. i am — progressing. if i am completely honest, i am measuring - progressing. if i am completely honest, i am measuring my - progressing. if i am completely| honest, i am measuring my way progressing. if i am completely - honest, i am measuring my way by motorway— honest, i am measuring my way by motorway services that are sandwich stops _ motorway services that are sandwich stops or _ motorway services that are sandwich stops or toilet break that i know! we have — stops or toilet break that i know! we have passed a very familiar one between _ we have passed a very familiar one between perth and dundee. these are tiny conurbations they are passing through— tiny conurbations they are passing through but everywhere you can park a cal’. _ through but everywhere you can park a car. there — through but everywhere you can park a car, there is a car. i picked the wrong _ a car, there is a car. i picked the wrong time _ a car, there is a car. i picked the wrong time to make his point because there's— wrong time to make his point because there's nobody standing watching, maybe _ there's nobody standing watching, maybe a _ there's nobody standing watching, maybe a few people on the other side. _ maybe a few people on the other side. but — maybe a few people on the other side, but the turnout has been quite extraordinary. this is a very rural part— extraordinary. this is a very rural part of— extraordinary. this is a very rural part of the — extraordinary. this is a very rural part of the country, four or five miles— part of the country, four or five miles from _ part of the country, four or five miles from perth and the convoy will sweep— miles from perth and the convoy will sweep to _ miles from perth and the convoy will sweep to the left over the frightened bridge over the river tay, frightened bridge over the river tay. one — frightened bridge over the river tay, one of the great scottish salmon— tay, one of the great scottish salmon fishing rivers like the river dee by— salmon fishing rivers like the river dee by balmoral. it will not actually _ dee by balmoral. it will not actually go into perth which i guess is a shame — actually go into perth which i guess is a shame symbolically, as the ancient — is a shame symbolically, as the ancient scottish capital, school palace — ancient scottish capital, school palace is— ancient scottish capital, school palace isjust outside, where the old kings — palace isjust outside, where the old kings of scotland were crowned 800 years — old kings of scotland were crowned 800 years ago, and it will then move down _ 800 years ago, and it will then move down through fife towards edinburgh but took— down through fife towards edinburgh but look at that. everywhere you can park a _ but look at that. everywhere you can park a car. _ but look at that. everywhere you can park a car, there is a car. and this dual— park a car, there is a car. and this dual carriageway is lined with people — dual carriageway is lined with people. it is taking a long time i guess— people. it is taking a long time i guess because they are driving at a very sedate — guess because they are driving at a very sedate speed, doing 40 mph for 165 miles— very sedate speed, doing 40 mph for 165 miles but it gives people a chance — 165 miles but it gives people a chance and i'm just struck it's worth— chance and i'm just struck it's worth reminding ourselves what we are watching here. the coffin containing queen elizabeth ii being driven— containing queen elizabeth ii being driven a _ containing queen elizabeth ii being driven a long distance through the country— driven a long distance through the country to— driven a long distance through the country to let the people who were her subjects come out and pay their farewells _ her subjects come out and pay their farewells. it is quite extraordinary moment— farewells. it is quite extraordinary moment of— farewells. it is quite extraordinary moment of history. it is farewells. it is quite extraordinary moment of history.— farewells. it is quite extraordinary moment of history. it is that moment of finali , moment of history. it is that moment of finality. being _ moment of history. it is that moment of finality, being driven _ moment of history. it is that moment of finality, being driven through - of finality, being driven through the country she so loved. and it was a poignant and quite a sobering moment i suppose, as we all sat here and watched the coffin emerge through the gates of balmoral at ten o'clock this morning, and that was your visual cue, the visual reminder, the reality of what we have been experiencing and talking about in the last few days, here was that moment of finality and the queen making her lastjourney. that queen making her last 'ourney. that is exactl it queen making her last 'ourney. that is exactly it but h queen making her lastjourney. that is exactly it but by contrast, when we have _ is exactly it but by contrast, when we have crossed to london, we have seen _ we have crossed to london, we have seen the _ we have crossed to london, we have seen the beginning, the new beginning. really interesting juxtaposition between the atmospheres in the two capitols, as we are _ atmospheres in the two capitols, as we are about to see in edinburgh, and in— we are about to see in edinburgh, and in london, but also the stories we are _ and in london, but also the stories we are watching this week, the end and the _ we are watching this week, the end and the beginning. yes. we are watching this week, the end and the beginning.— and the beginning. yes, and buckingham _ and the beginning. yes, and buckingham palace - and the beginning. yes, and buckingham palace is - and the beginning. yes, and buckingham palace is a - and the beginning. yes, and l buckingham palace is a scene and the beginning. yes, and - buckingham palace is a scene still of celebration, people waving flags... of celebration, people waving fla . s. .. ., of celebration, people waving flats... . flags... cheering, a happy time. treatint flags... cheering, a happy time. treating the _ flags... cheering, a happy time. treating the new— flags... cheering, a happy time. treating the new king _ flags... cheering, a happy time. treating the new king and - flags... cheering, a happy time. treating the new king and the i flags... cheering, a happy time. i treating the new king and the new queen consort. that treating the new king and the new queen consort.— queen consort. that mood will of course change — queen consort. that mood will of course change when _ queen consort. that mood will of course change when the - queen consort. that mood will of course change when the coffin i queen consort. that mood will of i course change when the coffin gets to buckingham palace.— course change when the coffin gets i to buckingham palace._ in to buckingham palace. absolutely. in as much as we _ to buckingham palace. absolutely. in as much as we are _ to buckingham palace. absolutely. in as much as we are qualified - to buckingham palace. absolutely. in as much as we are qualified to - to buckingham palace. absolutely. in as much as we are qualified to give i as much as we are qualified to give people advice as to how they can get to see the coffin, i believe, am i not right, the lying in state certainly in london will go on 24 hours. . ., �* . certainly in london will go on 24 hours. , ., �*, . |t certainly in london will go on 24 i hours— it goes hours. yes, that's correct. it goes throu . h hours. yes, that's correct. it goes through the _ hours. yes, that's correct. it goes through the hours _ hours. yes, that's correct. it goes through the hours of— hours. yes, that's correct. it goes through the hours of the - hours. yes, that's correct. it goes through the hours of the night - through the hours of the night ending at 6:30am on the morning of the funeral. the other thing worth bearing in mind, the procession of the state funeral on monday week is quite short, the distance from westminster hall to westminster abbey is not very long. and actually come it is almost part one to the funeral procession will be on wednesday when the coffin goes on the much longer route from buckingham palace, past all those london landmarks you mentioned, to westminster hall. if people are planning to come to london, they have more chance probably on wednesday of seeing the coffin pass than they will on the monday of the funeral itself, with of course the four days of lying in state in between. four days of lying in state in between-— four days of lying in state in between. ., . ., between. you are quite right to noint out between. you are quite right to point out about _ between. you are quite right to point out about the _ between. you are quite right to point out about the lying - between. you are quite right to point out about the lying in - between. you are quite right to i point out about the lying in state, we might talk more about that in a moment. just before that, we can cross, we have a new camera position from the centre of edinburgh, on the royal mile, very, very famous, beautiful and well—known as a tourist attraction, a key part of the annual festival. tourist attraction, a key part of the annualfestival. it tourist attraction, a key part of the annual festival. it is absolutely at the heart, if you say edinburgh, you think royal mile, one of the first things you think about, is that fair to say? and look at the crowds there. i is that fair to say? and look at the crowds there._ crowds there. i was sitting in the r0 al crowds there. i was sitting in the royal mile _ crowds there. i was sitting in the royal mile three _ crowds there. i was sitting in the royal mile three weeks - crowds there. i was sitting in the royal mile three weeks ago - crowds there. i was sitting in the royal mile three weeks ago in i crowds there. i was sitting in the | royal mile three weeks ago in the middle _ royal mile three weeks ago in the middle of— royal mile three weeks ago in the middle of the fringe festival, and if anybody— middle of the fringe festival, and if anybody has been, you know that's the place _ if anybody has been, you know that's the place you can't move, everybody handing _ the place you can't move, everybody handing out — the place you can't move, everybody handing out leaflets, jugglers, fire eaters. _ handing out leaflets, jugglers, fire eaters, stilt walkers, everybody promoting their act and it is noisy, hustle _ promoting their act and it is noisy, hustle and — promoting their act and it is noisy, hustle and bustle. the change today, still busy _ hustle and bustle. the change today, still busy but what a change of mood — still busy but what a change of mood a— still busy but what a change of mood. a short stretch of road. and we are a little _ mood. a short stretch of road. 2“i:r. we are a little way off the queen's coffin arriving in edinburgh but our correspondence there are telling us that people started queueing very early in the morning and these images tell that story. people want to be there for that moment and robert, you were talking about lying in state in westminster in london, when we eventually reach that point. but the first opportunity for members of the public to pay their respects will be of course in edinburgh, ithink respects will be of course in edinburgh, i think i'm right in saying it's 24 hours. forgive me if i'm wrong. but that is certainly, we know, that is the first opportunity for the public to queue up and spend their time filing past the queen's coffin to pay their respects. in edinburgh in the scottish capital. in saying to giles cathedral, which has had such a often tumultuous history, wherejohn knox, the famous presbyterians preacher, used to preach. the first time the anglican prayer book was read there, and outraged members of the congregation, who threw a stool at the preacher, with some sharp words, and there is now a bronze milking stall to commemorate that. as well as a statue ofjohn knox in there as well. as a statue of john knox in there as well. . ., ., as a statue of john knox in there as well. i ., ., ., _, , , well. john knox, of course, being our well. john knox, of course, being your great— well. john knox, of course, being your great scottish _ well. john knox, of course, being your great scottish protestant i your great scottish protestant reformer. ., . your great scottish protestant reformer.- who - your great scottish protestant l reformer.- who cleared your great scottish protestant - reformer.- who cleared the reformer. correct. who cleared the catholics out _ reformer. correct. who cleared the catholics out of _ reformer. correct. who cleared the catholics out of scotland. - reformer. correct. who cleared the catholics out of scotland. that - reformer. correct. who cleared the catholics out of scotland. that is i catholics out of scotland. that is how history _ catholics out of scotland. that is how history remember _ catholics out of scotland. that is how history remember him! - catholics out of scotland. that is how history remember him! and | how history remember him! and even those two images _ how history remember him! and even those two images that _ how history remember him! and even those two images that we _ how history remember him! and even those two images that we see - how history remember him! and even those two images that we see on - how history remember him! and even those two images that we see on the | those two images that we see on the screen, there is poignancy with that, because the queen's coffin being driven south, inevitably, down to edinburgh, and waiting there, lining the royal mile, and i would imagine the streets off it as well, thousands of people waiting. that 'ourne thousands of people waiting. “i“isgf journey through edinburgh, from the first roundabout, at the start of edinburgh, to the holyrood palace, it's about five or six miles of solid, urban streets, it will be interesting to see, edinburgh is a city of just interesting to see, edinburgh is a city ofjust under half a million people, so, a big population, by scottish standards, the second biggest city in scotland, it will be interesting to see the streets there. it will be the first time we have seen them going a long way through an urban area, but i suspect given what we have seen through rural scotland, it has been an extraordinary turnout, on every bridge and every field, it seems. i suspect edinburgh may be quite something. suspect edinburgh may be quite something-— something. absolutely. just approaching _ something. absolutely. just approaching perth _ something. absolutely. just approaching perth i - something. absolutely. justj approaching perth i believe, something. absolutely. just i approaching perth i believe, is something. absolutely. just - approaching perth i believe, is the point of the journey that the cortege is at, and ourfocus is on that, but a few minutes ago, we touched on the mood and the scenes at buckingham palace, and we will return there, because our correspondent charlotte gallagher has been spending a few hours there among the crowds, and we could tell, charlotte, in contrast to what we are watching, there is great excitement where you are because they have been catching quite a few glimpses of the new king? thea;t glimpses of the new king? they have indeed, glimpses of the new king? they have indeed. jane. — glimpses of the new king? they have indeed, jane, there _ glimpses of the new king? they have indeed, jane, there has been - glimpses of the new king? they have indeed, jane, there has been a - glimpses of the new king? they have indeed, jane, there has been a real i indeed, jane, there has been a real feeling of wanting to welcome the new king to hisjob, to his office at buckingham palace. he is in there at buckingham palace. he is in there at the moment meeting people from the commonwealth and also remembering the queen, lots of people coming down with flowers, i have got some very nice flowers to show you now. this is zara. how old are you? i show you now. this is zara. how old are ou? ., show you now. this is zara. how old are you?_ can _ show you now. this is zara. how old are you?_ can you - show you now. this is zara. how old are you?_ can you show. show you now. this is zara. how old i are you?_ can you show me are you? i am eight. can you show me what ou are you? i am eight. can you show me what you have — are you? i am eight. can you show me what you have made _ are you? i am eight. can you show me what you have made for _ are you? i am eight. can you show me what you have made for the _ are you? i am eight. can you show me what you have made for the queen? i what you have made for the queen? so, yesterday evening i drew a picture — so, yesterday evening i drew a picture of— so, yesterday evening i drew a picture of me, the queen and my brother. — picture of me, the queen and my brother, and i have put rest in peace. — brother, and i have put rest in peace, your majesty. find brother, and i have put rest in peace, your majesty. peace, your ma'esty. and how old are ou, zara? peace, your ma'esty. and how old are you. zara? i — peace, your majesty. and how old are you. zara? i am _ peace, your majesty. and how old are you, zara? i am eight. _ peace, your majesty. and how old are you, zara? i am eight. and _ peace, your majesty. and how old are you, zara? i am eight. and when - peace, your majesty. and how old are you, zara? i am eight. and when it i you, zara? i am eight. and when it was the jubilee. — you, zara? i am eight. and when it was the jubilee, what _ you, zara? i am eight. and when it was the jubilee, what did - you, zara? i am eight. and when it was the jubilee, what did you - you, zara? i am eight. and when it was the jubilee, what did you do i you, zara? i am eight. and when it was the jubilee, what did you do in j was thejubilee, what did you do in school? idbfe was the jubilee, what did you do in school? ~ . . was the jubilee, what did you do in school? ~ , , , , school? we dressed up in red, blue and white and _ school? we dressed up in red, blue and white and we _ school? we dressed up in red, blue and white and we learnt _ school? we dressed up in red, blue and white and we learnt about - school? we dressed up in red, blue and white and we learnt about each j and white and we learnt about each year. _ and white and we learnt about each year. each — and white and we learnt about each year, each class did a year about the queen — year, each class did a year about the queen. i can't remember my year, because _ the queen. i can't remember my year, because it _ the queen. i can't remember my year, because it was a really long time ago _ because it was a really long time ato. �* . because it was a really long time ato, �* , ., because it was a really long time ato. �* , ., ., ., because it was a really long time ato. h ., ., ., ., , ago. let's have another look at this wonderful picture _ ago. let's have another look at this wonderful picture that _ ago. let's have another look at this wonderful picture that you've - ago. let's have another look at thisj wonderful picture that you've done. what i really like as well, not only have you got the crown, you've got the handbag, and what did we learn about what she keeps in her handbag? she keeps her marmalade sandwich. she keeps her marmalade sandwich. she does. _ she keeps her marmalade sandwich. she does, she kept her marmalade sandwich in her handbag. whereabouts are you down from?_ and - are you down from? chingford. and wh did are you down from? chingford. and why did you want — are you down from? chingford. and why did you want to _ are you down from? chingford. and why did you want to come - are you down from? chingford. and why did you want to come down - are you down from? chingford. and - why did you want to come down today? why did we want to come down? i why did we want to come down? mean, you're watching it all the time. _ mean, you're watching it all the time. the — mean, you're watching it all the time, the queen is someone that i've sort of— time, the queen is someone that i've sort of known all my life, really, and living — sort of known all my life, really, and living in— sort of known all my life, really, and living in london, we take all this for— and living in london, we take all this for granted, we don't bother to put ourselves out and come to these occasions. _ put ourselves out and come to these occasions, so... so, we did. these are my— occasions, so... so, we did. these are my two nieces, and they persuaded me, us, we came. but so far, persuaded me, us, we came. but so far. it's _ persuaded me, us, we came. but so far. it's been — persuaded me, us, we came. but so far, it's been quite, sort of, tiring. — far, it's been quite, sort of, tiring. but _ far, it's been quite, sort of, tiring, but it is lovely to be here amongst — tiring, but it is lovely to be here amongst all these people, it really is. �* . amongst all these people, it really is. �* , . ., , amongst all these people, it really is. it's a lovely atmosphere, isn't it? yeah. — is. it's a lovely atmosphere, isn't it? yeah. you — is. it's a lovely atmosphere, isn't it? yeah, you can _ is. it's a lovely atmosphere, isn't it? yeah, you can see _ is. it's a lovely atmosphere, isn't it? yeah, you can see how- is. it's a lovely atmosphere, isn't it? yeah, you can see how many| it? yeah, you can see how many n-eole it? yeah, you can see how many people care- _ it? yeah, you can see how many people care. but _ it? yeah, you can see how many people care. but that _ it? yeah, you can see how many people care. but that is - it? yeah, you can see how many people care. but that is why. i it? yeah, you can see how many| people care. but that is why. did ou trow people care. but that is why. you grow up people care. but that is why. d r. you grow up watching charles on tv? yeah, i thought he did very well, charles — yeah, i thought he did very well, charles he — yeah, i thought he did very well, charles. he looks like anybody's son. _ charles. he looks like anybody's son, really, he was upset that his mum _ son, really, he was upset that his mum died — son, really, he was upset that his mum died. and i thought he did well, realty _ mum died. and i thought he did well, realty he _ mum died. and i thought he did well, really. he held up well. considering. have you ever met royalty before? i considering. have you ever met royalty before?— royalty before? i met edward. years ato. i royalty before? i met edward. years ago- i worked _ royalty before? i met edward. years ago. i worked in _ royalty before? i met edward. years ago. i worked in fashion, _ royalty before? i met edward. years ago. i worked in fashion, edward - ago. iworked in fashion, edward came _ ago. iworked in fashion, edward came to — ago. iworked in fashion, edward came to the store, and we were introduced — came to the store, and we were introduced to him. i came to the store, and we were introduced to him.— introduced to him. i bet that was very exciting- — introduced to him. i bet that was very exciting. yeah, _ introduced to him. i bet that was very exciting. yeah, it _ introduced to him. i bet that was very exciting. yeah, it was - introduced to him. i bet that was very exciting. yeah, it was very i very exciting. yeah, it was very quiet. we _ very exciting. yeah, it was very quiet, we shouldn't _ very exciting. yeah, it was very quiet, we shouldn't have - very exciting. yeah, it was very quiet, we shouldn't have been | very exciting. yeah, it was very - quiet, we shouldn't have been there, but we _ quiet, we shouldn't have been there, but we pushed ourselves in. let�*s but we pushed ourselves in. let's see some — but we pushed ourselves in. let's see some more _ but we pushed ourselves in. let's see some more flowers _ but we pushed ourselves in. let's see some more flowers that - see some more flowers that people are bringing down. what is your name? , are bringing down. what is your name?- and _ are bringing down. what is your name?- and how - are bringing down. what is your name?- and how old - are bringing down. what is your name?- and how old are i are bringing down. what is your name? dolly. and how old are you? five. the flowers _ name? dolly. and how old are you? five. the flowers are _ name? dolly. and how old are you? five. the flowers are so _ name? dolly. and how old are you? five. the flowers are so pretty. - five. the flowers are so pretty. i not them five. the flowers are so pretty. i got them for _ five. the flowers are so pretty. i got them for the _ five. the flowers are so pretty. i got them for the queen. - five. the flowers are so pretty. i got them for the queen. and - five. the flowers are so pretty. i i got them for the queen. and argue atoin to got them for the queen. and argue going to put _ got them for the queen. and argue going to put them with _ got them for the queen. and argue going to put them with all- got them for the queen. and argue going to put them with all of- got them for the queen. and argue going to put them with all of the i going to put them with all of the other flowers?— going to put them with all of the other flowers?- and - going to put them with all of the otherflowers? yeah. and did other flowers? yeah. and did you watch the jubilee _ other flowers? yeah. and did you watch the jubilee on _ other flowers? yeah. and did you watch the jubilee on telly? - other flowers? i22“i and did you watch the jubilee on telly? and other flowers? i22.“i and did you watch the jubilee on telly? and what watch thejubilee on telly? and what did you fish think? it watch the jubilee on telly? and what did you fish think?— did you fish think? it was really sad. did did you fish think? it was really sad- did you — did you fish think? it was really sad. did you like _ did you fish think? it was really sad. did you like her— did you fish think? it was really sad. did you like her crown? i did you fish think? it was really i sad. did you like her crown? and did you fish think? it was really - sad. did you like her crown? and the 'ewelle ? sad. did you like her crown? and the jewellery? and _ sad. did you like her crown? and the jewellery? and when _ sad. did you like her crown? and the jewellery? and when charles - sad. did you like her crown? and the. jewellery? and when charles becomes king, in the coronation, he is going to wear a very, very big crown, do you think you will do things about that in school.— you think you will do things about that in school.- what - you think you will do things about that in school. yeah. what have you liked about — that in school. yeah. what have you liked about today? _ that in school. yeah. what have you liked about today? coming - that in school. yeah. what have you liked about today? coming to - liked about today? coming to the castle. liked about today? coming to the castle- and _ liked about today? coming to the castle. and did _ liked about today? coming to the castle. and did you _ liked about today? coming to the castle. and did you come - castle. and did you come with mummy and dadd ? castle. and did you come with mummy and daddy? yeah. _ castle. and did you come with mummy and daddy? yeah. well— castle. and did you come with mummy and daddy? yeah. well done, - castle. and did you come with mummy and daddy? yeah. well done, and - and daddy? yeah. well done, and well done for speaking _ and daddy? yeah. well done, and well done for speaking on _ and daddy? 122.“i well done, and well done for speaking on tv. you are dolly�*s dad, why did do you think it was important to come down today? just to be a part of it, it is an just to be a part of it, it is an historic— just to be a part of it, it is an historic moment, none of us have experienced it before, just strange how it _ experienced it before, just strange how it has got hold of everybody, including — how it has got hold of everybody, including those that are not, you know. _ including those that are not, you know. too — including those that are not, you know, too deeply rooted in the monarchy— know, too deeply rooted in the monarchy and everything else, the whole _ monarchy and everything else, the whole nation hasjust been, it's been _ whole nation hasjust been, it's been really good. it is whole nation has 'ust been, it's been really good.— whole nation has 'ust been, it's been really good. it is strange to think that it _ been really good. it is strange to think that it was _ been really good. it is strange to think that it was only _ been really good. it is strange to think that it was only a _ been really good. it is strange to think that it was only a couple i been really good. it is strange to think that it was only a couple of| think that it was only a couple of months ago that it was thejubilee, people were here for a totally different reason grapple absolutely, and now it is on to the next. are you from london?— and now it is on to the next. are you from london? no, we are from kent. you from london? no, we are from kent- and — you from london? no, we are from kent- and did _ you from london? no, we are from kent. and did you _ you from london? no, we are from kent. and did you come _ kent. and did you come down especially _ kent. and did you come down especially for _ kent. and did you come down especially for this? _ kent. and did you come down especially for this? yeah, - kent. and did you come down j especially for this? yeah, just kent. and did you come down - especially for this? yeah, just for especially for this? yeah, 'ust for this. she wanted us h especially for this? yeah, 'ust for this. she wanted us to h especially for this? yeah, just for this. she wanted us to bring - especially for this? yeah, just for this. she wanted us to bring her. especially for this? yeah, just for i this. she wanted us to bring her up, so it was— this. she wanted us to bring her up, so it was all— this. she wanted us to bring her up, so it was all down to her. well done, so it was all down to her. well done. dolly- — so it was all down to her. well done, dolly. my _ so it was all down to her. well done, dolly. my name - so it was all down to her. well done, dolly. my name is - so it was all down to her. well done, dolly. my name is jessl so it was all down to her. well. done, dolly. my name is jess and thisis my friend _ done, dolly. my name is jess and thisis my friend live. _ done, dolly. my name is jess and thisis my friend live. watch - done, dolly. my name is jess and| thisis my friend live. watch where have _ thisis my friend live. watch where have you — thisis my friend live. watch where have you come _ thisis my friend live. watch where have you come down _ thisis my friend live. watch where have you come down from - thisis my friend live. watch where have you come down from today? j thisis my friend live. watch where| have you come down from today? i thisis my friend live. watch where - have you come down from today? i aim have you come down from today? i am from south-east _ have you come down from today? from south—east london. i am from essex _ essex. why did you want to come down today? we have got to be part of - today? we have got to be part of history and _ today? we have got to be part of history and as — today? we have got to be part of history and as friends, _ today? we have got to be part of history and as friends, we - today? we have got to be part of| history and as friends, we thought we could come down this year, and then in 30 years' time, come back, when it could be another big occasion, without children. we have got to be a part of history. and occasion, without children. we have got to be a part of history.— got to be a part of history. and it is strange _ got to be a part of history. and it is strange because _ got to be a part of history. and it is strange because we _ got to be a part of history. and it is strange because we will- got to be a part of history. and it i is strange because we will probably never see another queen. h0. is strange because we will probably never see another queen. no, which is wh it never see another queen. no, which is why it was — never see another queen. no, which is why it was really _ never see another queen. no, which is why it was really important - never see another queen. no, which is why it was really important for - is why it was really important for us to pay our respects. and do it for our grandparents and everything. yes, i lost my yes last year, and she would — yes, i lost my yes last year, and she would have loved this, so i had to come _ she would have loved this, so i had to come down for her. a she would have loved this, so i had to come down for her.— to come down for her. a lot of neo . le to come down for her. a lot of people have — to come down for her. a lot of people have said _ to come down for her. a lot of people have said the - to come down for her. a lot of people have said the queen i to come down for her. a lot of - people have said the queen reminded them of their mum or their grannie, that generation, that lovely wartime generation? i that generation, that lovely wartime teneration? ~ ., , ., ., , generation? i know, my grandma, she has not a generation? i know, my grandma, she has got a picture _ generation? i know, my grandma, she has got a picture with _ generation? i know, my grandma, she has got a picture with the _ generation? i know, my grandma, she has got a picture with the queen - generation? i know, my grandma, she has got a picture with the queen and i has got a picture with the queen and it used _ has got a picture with the queen and it used to _ has got a picture with the queen and it used to be front of stage in the house. _ it used to be front of stage in the house. she — it used to be front of stage in the house, she loved the queen, so to be able to— house, she loved the queen, so to be able to come — house, she loved the queen, so to be able to come down with some flowers today and _ able to come down with some flowers today and pay respects is so important. today and pay respects is so important-— today and pay respects is so important. today and pay respects is so im-ortant. “ ., , ., ., important. and whereas that photo now? i think _ important. and whereas that photo now? i think sister _ important. and whereas that photo now? i think sister has _ important. and whereas that photo now? i think sister has got - important. and whereas that photo now? i think sister has got it. - important. and whereas that photo now? i think sister has got it. and | now? i think sister has got it. and are ou now? i think sister has got it. and are you hoping — now? i think sister has got it. and are you hoping maybe _ now? i think sister has got it. and are you hoping maybe to - now? i think sister has got it. and are you hoping maybe to see - now? i think sister has got it. and are you hoping maybe to see king j are you hoping maybe to see king charles today?— charles today? absolutely. i feel like we are _ charles today? absolutely. i feel like we are just _ charles today? absolutely. i feel like we are just really _ charles today? absolutely. i feel like we are just really excited i charles today? absolutely. i feel| like we are just really excited just to see another monarch as well, it is a really sad occasion but it is also lovely for us to experience a king. so it will be really nice. hat king. so it will be really nice. not many people _ king. so it will be really nice. not many people will have experienced a coronation. it is new to most of us. absolutely. coronation. it is new to most of us. absolutely-— coronation. it is new to most of us. absolutel . “ , ., ., , ., absolutely. and we 'ust want to be a art of it absolutely. and we 'ust want to be a pan of it and _ absolutely. and we 'ust want to be a part of it and that _ absolutely. and we just want to be a part of it and that is _ absolutely. and we just want to be a part of it and that is mostly - absolutely. and we just want to be a part of it and that is mostly what - part of it and that is mostly what we are _ part of it and that is mostly what we are here for, you've got to make the most _ we are here for, you've got to make the most of— we are here for, you've got to make the most of it and pay our respects, she did _ the most of it and pay our respects, she did us _ the most of it and pay our respects, she did us proud for all of our whole — she did us proud for all of our whole lives, so it's really nice. and _ whole lives, so it's really nice. and we — whole lives, so it's really nice. and we are _ whole lives, so it's really nice. and we are going to come down for the funeral briefing on monday. we have got to be part of it. we have got to come down nice and early and try and get our spots. 2nd got to come down nice and early and try and get our spots.— try and get our spots. and you can tell, try and get our spots. and you can tell. jane. — try and get our spots. and you can tell. jane. how — try and get our spots. and you can tell, jane, how much _ try and get our spots. and you can tell, jane, how much the - try and get our spots. and you can tell, jane, how much the queen i try and get our spots. and you can - tell, jane, how much the queen meant tell, jane, how much the queen meant to every generation here. you've got people that are just five years old, people that are just five years old, people in their 70s and 80s coming down, and the queen and the royal family mean something different to a lot of them but what a lot of people have been telling me is that she symbolised that unity and also stability and some people saying they felt quite unnerved when they heard that queen les had died, but now they really, really want to welcome king charles ii! of this role, he is in mourning as well, he is mourning his mother and they want to make him feel incredibly welcome. charlotte gallagher, thank you so much. i . 2' charlotte gallagher, thank you so much. i . ,, ., charlotte gallagher, thank you so much. i . ~ ., , ., much. jane, i think we had better go home and just _ much. jane, i think we had better go home and just leave _ much. jane, i think we had better go home and just leave the _ much. jane, i think we had better go home and just leave the people - home and just leave the people outside buckingham palace to put it all into words, it is so moving! it does feel like that, so lovely. and children as ever often come out with the best observations as well. we will have much more from there, of course. so, the queen's coffin, the cortege, through perth, about 35 miles to go, i believe, i am just told, to edinburgh. we are reflecting on its journey throughout, we've been talking about the number of people who have come out and lined many parts of the route. let's return to a scene we sawjust route. let's return to a scene we saw just a route. let's return to a scene we sawjust a bit earlier in the day, not something we quite spotted at the time, but tractors in aberdeenshire is as much as i can tell you, they formed their own guard of honour. that is a group of farmers who came out in a kind of coordinated display, just i think near to banchory. display, just i think near to lztanchory-_ display, just i think near to banchory. display, just i think near to bancho . ., , banchory. so, much earlier this morning. _ banchory. so, much earlier this morning, maybe. _ banchory. so, much earlier this morning, maybe. somebody. banchory. so, much earlier this| morning, maybe. somebody has banchory. so, much earlier this - morning, maybe. somebody has been in touch with me — morning, maybe. somebody has been in touch with me about _ morning, maybe. somebody has been in touch with me about that, _ morning, maybe. somebody has been in touch with me about that, hats - morning, maybe. somebody has been in touch with me about that, hats off - touch with me about that, hats off touch with me about that, hats off to the aberdeenshire farmers for their show of respect as the cortege went past. an area of scotland that she and herfamily went past. an area of scotland that she and her family loved so dearly, well done to every farmer. i{illite well done to every farmer. quite touchint well done to every farmer. quite touching that they _ well done to every farmer. quite touching that they coordinated that and lined up. and touching that they coordinated that and lined up-_ and lined up. and princess anne is in this car that _ and lined up. and princess anne is in this car that we _ and lined up. and princess anne is in this car that we are _ and lined up. and princess anne is in this car that we are looking - and lined up. and princess anne is in this car that we are looking at. i in this car that we are looking at. indeed. — in this car that we are looking at. indeed, with her husband. she will have seen that, as she will see the crowds that have turned out, and what looks like a very, very substantial crowd lining many of the streets inedible. edinburgh, preparing for its key role in all of this, because once the cortege arrives, it was due at four o'clock, we think it is running a bit late, but once it arrives, there is much more ceremony in edinburgh. that is the first part of the uk where members of the public will be able to pay their respects. edinburgh preparing for all of that, and its role. judith moritz is in the city and has been talking to people getting ready for those events. the queen love balmoral, above everywhere else. and so, as she left her summer home for the last time, the wreath on top of the coffin was created from flowers from her estate. the cortege is now making its way along its 175—mile route through eastern scotland. and her subjects came out to see. here in ballater, the community closest to balmoral, where the queen was considered a local by many. the coffin is being driven to edinburgh, and the city stands ready. this afternoon for claire display of perfect pageantry. the public proclamation of the new king. and a 21 gun salute at edinburgh castle. those with ceremonial responsibility is our feeling a mixture of pressure and pride. it's a huge responsibility, i've been lord promised just a few weeks and i hope i live up to the expectations of me and i am sure the city will put on a very determined show of its respect for the queen in the next few days.— show of its respect for the queen in the next few days. because the queen died at balmoral, _ the next few days. because the queen died at balmoral, it _ the next few days. because the queen died at balmoral, it set _ the next few days. because the queen died at balmoral, it set in _ the next few days. because the queen died at balmoral, it set in train - the next few days. because the queen died at balmoral, it set in train a - died at balmoral, it set in train a sequence of events in scotland that would not have happened had she passed away in london and so its capital city is readying itself as the queen's coffin is brought here and edinburgh becomes the centre of events for the next few days. on monday, the king willjoin the procession as the coffin is brought along the royal mile to st giles' cathedral, where the queen will lie at rest. “ , , cathedral, where the queen will lie atrest.“ , , cathedral, where the queen will lie atrest.“ , ., ,, cathedral, where the queen will lie atrest.“ , ., «as at rest. anybody can talk about it but to live _ at rest. anybody can talk about it but to live it _ at rest. anybody can talk about it but to live it is _ at rest. anybody can talk about it but to live it is what _ at rest. anybody can talk about it but to live it is what makes - at rest. anybody can talk about it but to live it is what makes a - but to live it is what makes a difference... but to live it is what makes a difference. . .— but to live it is what makes a difference... ,., difference... reverend liz henderson is one of the — difference... reverend liz henderson is one of the royal— difference... reverend liz henderson is one of the royal chaplains - difference... reverend liz henderson is one of the royal chaplains but - difference... reverend liz henderson is one of the royal chaplains but is i is one of the royal chaplains but is preparing for the service of prayer and reflection to be held at the cathedral. ., and reflection to be held at the cathedral-— and reflection to be held at the cathedral. ., ., ., , cathedral. you look around edinburgh and you can — cathedral. you look around edinburgh and you can see _ cathedral. you look around edinburgh and you can see the _ cathedral. you look around edinburgh and you can see the building - cathedral. you look around edinburgh and you can see the building the - and you can see the building the place is getting busier and people are gathering and they are particularly in this part of the old town so the focus is very much on st giles' cathedral. it has particular significance for this service because the cream actually came here just three weeks after her coronation injune1953 and it was here she was blessed by the then moderator of the church of scotland and the dean of the chapel royal. amongst the pump and protocol, there are the people. once the cream's subjects, now the king's, all witnessing history as it happens around them. judith moritz, bbc news, edinburgh. and that is a flavour of the planning, and this is edinburgh this afternoon. a quarter past three on sunday afternoon, thousands and thousands of people lining the streets of scotland's capital, waiting for their chance to see the queen's coffin passing by. we are keeping an eye on all of that and, as i say, it was due to arrive at about four o'clock in edinburgh but we are told that is still running a little late but the crowds have been there for many hours, our correspondence telling us that a lot of people started queueing early this morning so a little longer wait forthem. i this morning so a little longer wait for them. i don't think people will might. those arejust for them. i don't think people will might. those are just some of the scenes we can bring you this afternoon from edinburgh as the queen makes herfinaljourney from queen makes her finaljourney from balmoral to queen makes herfinaljourney from balmoral to edinburgh where she will rest for 24 hours or so and members of the public will be able to queue and pay their respects. as we stay with these images from the helicopter, we can talk as well to... i apologise, helicopter, we can talk as well to... iapologise, i helicopter, we can talk as well to... i apologise, i will explain in a moment because we are going to pivot back to the capital, at buckingham palace, back there again and we have been talking a lot and heard some lovely stories and thoughts and memories and anecdotes from members of the public who have been outside the railings of the palace. we have heard a lot of cheering as the new king charles was driven in a little earlier and i think what we're seeing right now, slightly shot, apologies, but you will appreciate, a busy day with a lot of cameras and radio signals around, but i believe this is the queen consortjust leaving the palace. she went in an hour or two ago and there were cheers as she was driven slowly into the palace and now off to other areas. we know the new king has a very busy afternoon of a lot of meetings with particular reference to the commonwealth, a lot of meetings with high commissioners, the secretary general of the commonwealth, and he has a number of meetings with religious leaders as well so king charles very much working away this sunday afternoon inside buckingham palace. i think we will stay with this shot for a while, we were going to get the thought our security correspondent frank bookers met the queen on quite a few occasions —— frank gardner. including being presented with your 0be by the queen. including being presented with your obe by the queen.— obe by the queen. that's right and an absolute — obe by the queen. that's right and an absolute honour, _ obe by the queen. that's right and an absolute honour, and _ obe by the queen. that's right and an absolute honour, and i should i an absolute honour, and i should just mention before i talk about that, tim lawrence, princess and's husband, was referred to early as a commander but it is a vice admiral. we don't want to emote anyone! —— demote. we don't want to emote anyone! -- demote. . ., , , .~' demote. the thing that has struck me over the years — demote. the thing that has struck me over the years in _ demote. the thing that has struck me over the years in the _ demote. the thing that has struck me over the years in the occasions i - over the years in the occasions i have been lucky enough to meet the queen was the extraordinary attention she pays to what people are saying. she did not go through the motions, she was genuinely interested in what people had to say, she would look you in the eye, pause and listen and respond, these were not platitudes, she was so interested. you think about the thousands of people she met, she was terribly kind to me when i got my 0be, i had been shot of the year before so i was standing with this zimmer frame and the courtiers were very nervous because they thought there might be a risk i might topple over and fall on top of her or something! she inquired about the nature of my injuries and said, how very gallant of you to stand up, which was really lovely. some years later, at a charity event which i was involved in a she was a patron, i mentioned to her that she gave me my 0be exactly 50 years after she gave my grandfather his. mine was for services to journalism, his for service to forestry, and i said, 50 years apart, same sovereign and she said tell me about it! i think that was rather lovely! and in case anybody thinks this is a case of less the palace cleared this anecdote and others. and another i was terribly touching, we were discussing the middle east come and she loved meeting royals and others from the middle east and she said, referring to the previous sultan of oman, but she said she rather liked the previous sultan but perhaps he grew out of touch with his people and got deposed by his son, perhaps it will happen to me! she had a wonderful twinkle in her eye. she could be serious when she needed to be and humorous when she wanted to be. she always got the occasion right in that sense. talking about eyes, she was colonel in chief of the royal green jackets eyes, she was colonel in chief of the royal greenjackets which i was a serving officer at the terry authorial, and they were merged into the rifles in 2007 —— territorial. there was a party at st james's palace to mark the occasion. she attended, she had something terribly wrong with her eye, it was some kind of infection or whatever, but her absolute lack of vanity made her turn up. she was clearly in some discomfort from this, but she wanted to be there. she was a fantastic colonel in chief, handing over to her husband, prince philip, duke of edinburgh, he was colonel in chief of the rifles and currently it has been camilla, now the queen consort, so whether that will. .. been camilla, now the queen consort, so whether that will... i suspect she will be very much busier than she will be very much busier than she has been but she has been a wonderful colonel in chief, as was the queen. someone vein might have thought they could not go out looking like this but she obviously decided this was her duty the overriding sense of duty she had. it is lovely that you talk about the humour because we have touched on it a little today but obviously under the circumstances, not as much as we might. but that clint was there, and with the get —— the glint. of the right approach at the right time. and the number of people she would have had to meet, and i suppose the best politicians they say have that as well, the ability to make you feel as if you are the only person in the room at that moment and they are completely focused on that conversation with you and that is what i sense from you, that is what the conversation was like? yes. what i sense from you, that is what the conversation was like?- the conversation was like? yes, i was lucky — the conversation was like? yes, i was lucky enough _ the conversation was like? yes, i was lucky enough to _ the conversation was like? yes, i was lucky enough to meet - the conversation was like? yes, i was lucky enough to meet her. the conversation was like? yes, i. was lucky enough to meet her seven times and each time, the scariest thing about it, the only scary thing is all the protocol around it, the people around it. when you cut through and meet her face to face, she immediately put you at ease. because she was so natural. where as there is an awful lot of pomp and ceremony and protocol, you do do this, don't do that, but when you meet her, or that melts away. so lovely to hear those anecdotes, thank you very much for now, frank gardner. we arejust thank you very much for now, frank gardner. we are just going to take a minute, as we promised earlier, just to reflect the queen's love of racing, hugely knowledgeable about it of course. we are going to talk about the st. ledger, the final classic of the horse racing latter season which is due to begin in doncaster. it almost doesn't need saying, well documented, the love and knowledge of the queen in this field so let's head there and join our correspondent matt gracbling who is at the winner's in closer at doncaster racecourse —— enclosure. i imagine the queen is very much in peoples thoughts. {lit imagine the queen is very much in peoples thoughts.— imagine the queen is very much in peoples thoughts. of in everybody's thouthts in peoples thoughts. of in everybody's thoughts in the _ peoples thoughts. of in everybody's thoughts in the st. _ peoples thoughts. of in everybody's thoughts in the st. ledger- peoples thoughts. of in everybody's thoughts in the st. ledger which - peoples thoughts. of in everybody's thoughts in the st. ledger which is. thoughts in the st. ledger which is happening in about half an hour but today really is a day where everybody connected with the queen's most beloved sport of horse racing has come together haven't been halted on thursday when we heard about her majesty poor health but is back today and there is a seven card race in chepstow and here in doncaster, flags are at half mast and there are books of remembrance for people to sign inside the buildings and the jockeys are wearing black arm bands as well. and earlier, at around 12:15pm here staff and jockeys stood in line, and they first watched a three minute video of the queen's history they first watched a three minute video of t at the en's history they first watched a three minute video of t at the age history they first watched a three minute video of t at the age of ;tory they first watched a three minute video of t at the age of three but horse but at the age of three but later in life became a very successful owner and breeder and the jockeys who rode for the queen of course wore the lovely scarlet, purple and gold racing silks, and one of those lucky enough to be in the saddle for the queen on many occasions was frankie dettori, who won the first race here today and earlier i caught up with him and asked him for his favourite memory of the queen. when i won my fourth king george, i went to the podium to get the trophy and she asked me about the race and i explained how it went. ., ,i it went. cheeky of me, i said, by the wa , it went. cheeky of me, i said, by the way. i've _ it went. cheeky of me, i said, by the way, i've won _ it went. cheeky of me, i said, by the way, i've won it _ it went. cheeky of me, i said, by the way, i've won it four - it went. cheeky of me, i said, by the way, i've won it four times. | it went. cheeky of me, i said, by i the way, i've won it four times. she turned _ the way, i've won it four times. she turned around and said lester 187 times! _ turned around and said lester 187 times! she — turned around and said lester 187 times! she had that great sense of humour _ times! she had that great sense of humour -- — times! she had that great sense of humour. —— won it seven times. obviously— humour. —— won it seven times. obviously at _ humour. —— won it seven times. obviously at windsor castle and buckingham palace and racing, in my stable _ buckingham palace and racing, in my stable and _ buckingham palace and racing, in my stable and at other events i met ber~ _ stable and at other events i met ber~ she — stable and at other events i met her. she was, you know, she always made _ her. she was, you know, she always made a _ her. she was, you know, she always made a de _ her. she was, you know, she always made a detour her. she was, you know, she always made a de tour if someone in the room _ made a de tour if someone in the room was — made a de tour if someone in the room was from racing and she felt more _ room was from racing and she felt more people comfortable —— she felt more _ more people comfortable —— she felt more comfortable talking to people about _ more comfortable talking to people about racing. but we have lost our greatest _ about racing. but we have lost our greatest ambassador. that about racing. but we have lost our greatest ambassador.— greatest ambassador. that is a sentiment _ greatest ambassador. that is a sentiment shared _ greatest ambassador. that is a sentiment shared throughout l greatest ambassador. that is a l sentiment shared throughout the morning and the day here at doncaster. earlier i spoke tojulie harrington from the british horseracing authority who said that what the queen did for the sport really is immeasurable. of course the queen's most famous win came in 2013 at the gold cup with her horse estimate but it is fitting racing returns here at doncaster and the st. ledgertakes returns here at doncaster and the st. ledger takes place because that is a race at the queen won herself with her horse dunfermline in 1977. that was of course herjubilee year as well. a fantastic atmosphere as well and a final thought frankie dettori will also be riding in the st. ledgeralthough dettori will also be riding in the st. ledger although he is not the payment is one of the queen's jockeys on a day like today, you never know —— not the favourite. thank you so much. we are of course keeping an eye on the cortege as it makes its way south to edinburgh but as we continue to watch these pictures, in terms of other formalities happening today, you might know if you work with us earlier, that the accession of the king has been proclaimed across all four of the uk's nations today. to call to his mercy our late sovereign _ to call to his mercy our late sovereign lady— to call to his mercy our late sovereign lady queen - to call to his mercy our late . sovereign lady queen elizabeth to call to his mercy our late - sovereign lady queen elizabeth ii, of blessed — sovereign lady queen elizabeth ii, of blessed and _ sovereign lady queen elizabeth ii, of blessed and glorious _ sovereign lady queen elizabeth ii, of blessed and glorious memory, i sovereign lady queen elizabeth ii, i of blessed and glorious memory, by whose _ of blessed and glorious memory, by whose decease _ of blessed and glorious memory, by whose decease the _ of blessed and glorious memory, by whose decease the crown _ of blessed and glorious memory, by whose decease the crown of- of blessed and glorious memory, by whose decease the crown of the - whose decease the crown of the united — whose decease the crown of the united kingdom _ whose decease the crown of the united kingdom of— whose decease the crown of the united kingdom of great - whose decease the crown of the united kingdom of great britainj whose decease the crown of the - united kingdom of great britain and northern— united kingdom of great britain and northern ireland _ united kingdom of great britain and northern ireland is _ united kingdom of great britain and northern ireland is solely— united kingdom of great britain and northern ireland is solely and - northern ireland is solely and rightfully— northern ireland is solely and rightfully come _ northern ireland is solely and rightfully come to _ northern ireland is solely and rightfully come to the - northern ireland is solely and rightfully come to the prince i rightfully come to the prince charles _ rightfully come to the prince charles philip— rightfully come to the prince charles philip arthur- rightfully come to the prince | charles philip arthur george. band plays. pipes play. guns fire. let's go to our ireland correspondent emma vardy, who is at royal hillsborough near belfast for more on all of today's formalities and pageant and perhaps more besides there, emma? ibis and pageant and perhaps more besides there. emma?— there, emma? as northern ireland's ro al there, emma? as northern ireland's royal accession _ there, emma? as northern ireland's royal accession proclamation - there, emma? as northern ireland's royal accession proclamation took i royal accession proclamation took place earlier today, there was a parade by the soldiers of the royal irish regiment, and the band of the royal irish regiment where here, too. and also members of the public have been braving some pretty heavy main to be here, they are still coming in this afternoon to lay flowers, and that carpet of flowers at the gates of hillsborough behind me has just been growing over the last few days. political leaders have been attending the events, too, although there was an announcement today from sinn fein and from the sdlp, the two biggest nationalist parties here in northern ireland, that they wouldn't be attending the proclamation today, which really comes down to the basic politics of northern ireland, in that they nationalist parties here don't see the royal family as their monarchy, their aspirations are for northern ireland to become part of a united ireland to become part of a united ireland in future, but of course, they also respect and appreciate the role that the queen herself played in reconciliation and relationship building between the british and irish relationship here. and sinn fein have said that they saw today's formalities as being for those who see themselves, their political allegiance, to the crown, but they will be attending other events in the days to come. and of course, the king will be visiting here in northern ireland on tuesday, and they will be attending events to mark his arrival here then. emma vardy. our— mark his arrival here then. emma vardy, our ireland _ mark his arrival here then. emma| vardy, our ireland correspondent, thank you very much. our security correspondent frank gardner is still with me here in the studio, and i should say, talking to you, frank, not really in your role as security correspondent but civilly because you have met the queen on quite a few occasions, and some of that is because of your military connections, and i was interested because earlier, you mentioned the role of the monarchy being so important, and some people watching might think, that it is just ceremonial, if you like, the various roles they have within britain's military, explain from your perspective how important that role was, what the queen brought to that? her role was hugely important, she was head of the armed forces, she was head of the armed forces, she was colonel in chief, or at least held a rank with over 50 military organisations notjust in britain but around the commonwealth. amazingly, she had herfirst role as colonel in chief in 1947, when she was still princess elizabeth, she became colonel in chief of balaclava company of the world scotland, or its equivalent back then. she was colonel in chief of the royal green jackets, which i was a serving member of, before it was amalgamated into the rifles, and i remember being told on one of my very early mess dinners, we don't do the royal toast, and i said, really, why not? because our loyalty to the queen is neverin because our loyalty to the queen is never in doubt. that was actually a lot of nonsense because i attended plenty of royal toasts, but it was a nice idea! and of course she was a superb horsewoman you would see her atropine the colour, she would attend things like sovereign's parade, when she was on horseback she was completely at ease, she rode a lot and there was famously that picture of her riding on the grounds of windsor castle i think it was with president ronald reagan. totally at ease, passionate about horses. but her connections to the military were hugely valued by the military, and that is passed on, it is extended to other members of the family. so, the military patronages are very important, they present colours, and in more recent years, when men and women have come back from operations in places like iraq and afghanistan, in some cases young men and women, hardly into their 20s, with broken bodies, having suffered terrible, life—changing, catastrophic injuries, the comfort that queen and other members of the royal family, and as i mentioned, camilla, the queen consort, has been colonel in chief of the rifles, this is enormously comforting to people, to know that somebody as high up, and in such an exalted position in british society, actually cares about them, and wants to know about them and how they are getting on, and what kind of pastoral care they are getting, these things really matter to people. so, are getting, these things really matterto people. so, it's are getting, these things really matter to people. so, it's valued. very, very interesting, thank you so much and good to see you, frank gardner, with your many recollections of meeting the queen. we are going to return to edinburgh now, because as we say, that is where the cortege is headed. and we have seen the crowds build and build on the royal mile, where we can go now tojoin our on the royal mile, where we can go now to join our correspondent alexandra mackenzie, near singh charles cathedral.— alexandra mackenzie, near singh charles cathedral. yes, 'ust outside st giles' cathedral h charles cathedral. yes, just outside st giles' cathedral here, _ charles cathedral. yes, just outside st giles' cathedral here, and - st giles' cathedral here, and edinburgh has been very much a focal point since thursday night, but even more so today, the crowds have been gathering here all day with many people just wanting to come and catch a glimpse of the house as it passes through here, as you said, the end of its journey, which passes through here, as you said, the end of itsjourney, which began much earlier this morning, on royal deeside and then came through aberdeen, dundee, and will finally end up here on the royal mile, where people are packed into the streets, all the way from the top of the royal mile, up at the castle, all the way down here, past st giles' cathedral, and then eventually down to the palace of holyroodhouse. now, the coffin will come through, the house welcome over the new queensferry crossing, which was opened by the queen a few years ago, and it will come into edinburgh and skirt round the castle at the top of the royal mile and then it will come down the royal mile, to be seen by all the people waiting here, some of them have been here for hours, for much of the day, and down past st giles', where the service will be tomorrow, and then down to the palace of holyroodhouse, where the coffin will live overnight, before tomorrow, there will be a session tomorrow, there will be a session tomorrow, joined by mothers of the royal family, the procession welcome back the royal mile to st giles' cathedral, where they are preparing for that service tomorrow, and then there will be a vigil in the evening, with members of the royal family. and the coffin will lie at rest for 24 hours so that memos of the public can come and pay their respects to the late queen, and many people here, that is all they've known, they'vejust people here, that is all they've known, they've just known one monarch, queen elizabeth. forthe known, they've just known one monarch, queen elizabeth. for the 70 years that she was on the throne. and this wasn't the only thing happening here in edinburgh. earlier today, there were two proclamations, one announcing the new king, king charles iii, to the people of scotland. that took place just at the other side of st giles', and people gathered for that, there was a procession down from the castle, that was attended by many dignitaries and politicians, nicola sturgeon and leaders of other political parties. and then there was a second proclamation, at edinburgh castle, and that was to announce the new king to the people of edinburgh. people have been coming to edinburgh since thursday night, holyrood palace has been a focal point, up until now, many people coming to lay flowers, tributes, candles, messages, some just saying a simple thank you people have been showing emotion and just expressing their loss. people just expressing their loss. people just wanting to come together, many people just standing in silence, wanting to come together and remember the late queen. alexandra mackenzie, thank _ remember the late queen. alexandra mackenzie, thank you _ remember the late queen. alexandra mackenzie, thank you so _ remember the late queen. alexandra mackenzie, thank you so much - remember the late queen. alexandra mackenzie, thank you so much there | mackenzie, thank you so much there in edinburgh, as we return to the images we have been looking at of the cortege, which i am told is actually now not far from the queensferry crossing. that is dunfermline, the turnoff on the m90 motorway, ancient borough of dunfermline, 1000 years old, it was made a city in thejubilee celebrations. as you can see, there was no room to stand hardly on that bridge, so i think that is a portent of what we are going to see in edinburgh. these people obviously have had a chance to watch what has been happening over the course of the day, and perhaps people who did not necessarily know the route might have changed plans and are coming out. that is the town of rosyth, and in the distance you can see the naval dockyard of rosyth, where the queen named buttons biggest battleship, named in her honour, hms queen elizabeth, i think she named it quite a while back, but it was launched into service, it began service in 2020, the flagship of the naval fleet. service in 2020, the flagship of the navalfleet. and service in 2020, the flagship of the naval fleet. and there you can see the three forth bridges. including in the middle the old forth road bridge. the queen opened that in 1964. and on the right, the bridge which they are about to go over, the queensferry crossing, which she opened very beautiful. finlr; queensferry crossing, which she opened very beautiful. only 2017, still not that — opened very beautiful. only 2017, still not that long. _ opened very beautiful. only 2017, still not that long. and _ still not that long. and periodically, as you see, the cameras switch back to the various vantage points that we have in edinburgh, because we talk about the royal mile a lot, it is a very famous, well—known location, but there are many other streets which are really filling up, and have been over the course of the day. we don't have any official estimates, we don't have anything from the authorities as to the numbers they think are out on the streets, but edinburgh's part in this is huge, as we've been reflecting. there has been a lot of preparation and build—up, and edinburgh will be the first place in the uk that members of the public will be able to pay their very last respects, as the queen will be lying at rest for a period. robert lacey, you've been watching all of this throughout the day with us, and you were expanding earlier, the notion of lying in state, it hasn't always happened, it is relatively new, in historical terms? robert lacey: , terms? robertlacey: , terms? robertlacey: robert lacey: yes, as i was saying, the first lying — robert lacey: yes, as i was saying, the first lying in — robert lacey: yes, as i was saying, the first lying in state _ robert lacey: yes, as i was saying, the first lying in state that _ robert lacey: yes, as i was saying, the first lying in state that we - the first lying in state that we know of on a major scale was for gladstone, the prime minister. and at the end of queen victoria's reign. and george v, who was the queen's grandfather, when he saw this event, he thought it would be a wonderful way to honour his own father, edward vii, the great—grandfather of the queen. and so that's when the institution started, and the lying in state was originallyjust for a day started, and the lying in state was originally just for a day also, started, and the lying in state was originallyjust for a day also, now, for elizabeth ii, it is going to be a day, 24 hours, in scotland, and four days in london. i was reflecting on that wonderful sequence we saw about her love of racing, i think one of the secrets of her success and her meaning to people was that while herjob was grand, she was not grand. it is a cliche to talk about the common touch, but she just had populist instincts in her. and as we have said so many times, she was a player who understood she was in a system thatis who understood she was in a system that is more important than anyone individual. and she worked so hard to make the royal family operate as a team, and as we were saying earlier, king charles iii is clearly taking steps to imitate her, very much, in talking to william about the need for him to get together with harry, as we saw yesterday. and that's clearly in charge hard at work, following in the traditions of his mother. and think about what one wants to be, if there will be a different tone. ~ , ., ., , ., tone. will be a more slimmed down monarchy. — tone. will be a more slimmed down monarchy. in _ tone. will be a more slimmed down monarchy, in the _ tone. will be a more slimmed down monarchy, in the last _ tone. will be a more slimmed down monarchy, in the last 48 _ tone. will be a more slimmed down monarchy, in the last 48 hours - tone. will be a more slimmed down monarchy, in the last 48 hours of. monarchy, in the last 48 hours of drawing and royal watchers making the point wondering if this will be a slightly more emotional monarchy, and in a good way, the fact that he and in a good way, the fact that he and his wife very early on after the news was still very fresh that the queen had died was greeting people at buckingham palace, showing interest, saying thank you for coming and laying flowers, whether that was him instantly wanting to lay down a marker and say, this is the sort of thing i want to be. the hue the sort of thing i want to be. tue: huge popularity of william and catherine has been a tendency to say that charles and camilla will be caretaker monarchs. maybe i myself was one who thought that they are interim for the real top of the pops but in fact these last few days we have seen extraordinary upwelling of sympathy but also support and encouragement for charles and camilla. the polls are not out yet but i think that is a natural reaction to the situation, but the way in which king charles has already reached out to people with two walkabouts this private initiative to try to get his sons back together closer, certainly in public. these also activist king yes, he has had a long time to think about it but he has jumped straight in actually speculate the combination will come much quicker thanit combination will come much quicker than it did last time when we had to wait 18 months —— the coronation. that's interesting because there's been no discussion dates, quite rightly. maybe some of us assumed it would take a long time simply because that is what happened last time. ., ., ., ., ., ., time. the coronation took a long time. the coronation took a long time in 1952-3 — time. the coronation took a long time in 1952-3 nearly _ time. the coronation took a long time in 1952-3 nearly 18 - time. the coronation took a long time in 1952-3 nearly 18 months, time in 1952—3 nearly 18 months, because they had not worked out the significance of television and they had to convert the abbey from a church holding 2000 two many football stadium holding 8000! because of the idea of the queen being crowned on the site of the people and that was an enormous physical undertaking which will not be necessary this time. there is a royal tradition, something also started by king edward vii, the sort of populist king at the beginning of the 20th century, that royal events should take place in the summer and he was the first king who celebrated a winter birthday in the summer because it's more fun for everybody to celebrate in the summer so i don't imagine we will have a coronation this winter but i certainly would have thought that next summer is the latest one could expect for a coronation. but obviously the feelings associated with the loss of the queen and her funeral have to be played through thoroughly before so that can happen. thoroughly before so that can ha--en. ,~ thoroughly before so that can haen--.m., i, happen. absolutely and yes, apologies. — happen. absolutely and yes, apologies, slightly _ happen. absolutely and yes, apologies, slightly running l happen. absolutely and yes, - apologies, slightly running before we can walk in one sense but there is so much to cover and so much to discuss. but we must keep pulling it back to this, our focus much today on the cortege, the movement of the queen's coffin from balmoral down to edinburgh. apologies, just occasionally losing the line there. the queensferry crossing, and again, martin, your thoughts on the numbers are people we are seeing and what we are people we are seeing and what we are witnessing. irate are people we are seeing and what we are witnessing-— are witnessing. we are looking at the dean bridge _ are witnessing. we are looking at the dean bridge in _ are witnessing. we are looking at the dean bridge in edinburgh, . are witnessing. we are looking at| the dean bridge in edinburgh, and people _ the dean bridge in edinburgh, and people who know edinburgh will know the west— people who know edinburgh will know the west end, princess street, the new town — the west end, princess street, the new town of edinburgh, that is where this is— new town of edinburgh, that is where this is but— new town of edinburgh, that is where this is but we are at the dean bridge — this is but we are at the dean bridge and it looks like the numbers were very— bridge and it looks like the numbers were very deep on the pavements. as were very deep on the pavements. as we saw— were very deep on the pavements. as we saw from — were very deep on the pavements. as we saw from the aerial shots earlier, — we saw from the aerial shots earlier, when the convoy passed over the queensferry crossing crossing, there _ the queensferry crossing crossing, there was— the queensferry crossing crossing, there was a bridge and some embankments by the motorway which were packed with people. we shall see. were packed with people. we shall see~ they— were packed with people. we shall see. they are about to head down towards _ see. they are about to head down towards cramond, people in scotland will know _ towards cramond, people in scotland will know that area, and it will be in about— will know that area, and it will be in about another mile or so, on the edge _ in about another mile or so, on the edge of— in about another mile or so, on the edge of town. maybe a couple of ntiles— edge of town. maybe a couple of miles from here. we shall see but everything — miles from here. we shall see but everything we have seen so far suggests— everything we have seen so far suggests this could be something quite _ suggests this could be something quite spectacular. queensferry itself named after queen margaret— queensferry itself named after queen margaret 1000 years ago and there is a chapel— margaret 1000 years ago and there is a chapel in— margaret 1000 years ago and there is a chapel in edinburgh castle, the oldest _ a chapel in edinburgh castle, the oldest building in the city of edinburgh, st margaret's castle, a tiny building where she used to create — tiny building where she used to create well over a thousand years ago _ and this will be, as it gets into edinburgh proper, the cortege, i feel as though this will be quite a moment, actually. the first time we will see the coffin travelling through a much more densely populated area are much more tightly packed, geographically, area i mean. and again, when you catch that glimpse of exactly what we are looking at, you look at the vehicle and you think, that is the queen, the late queen. and that is poignant and sobering. it’s the late queen. and that is poignant and sobering-— and sobering. it's worth catching ourself and sobering. it's worth catching yourself and _ and sobering. it's worth catching yourself and reminding - and sobering. it's worth catching yourself and reminding yourself| and sobering. it's worth catching i yourself and reminding yourself of that because we spend so long looking — that because we spend so long looking at the journey of the car, it is the — looking at the journey of the car, it is the contents of that cart that makes _ it is the contents of that cart that makes this— it is the contents of that cart that makes this an extraordinary moment in history— makes this an extraordinary moment in history -- — makes this an extraordinary moment in history —— that car. and makes this an extraordinary moment in history -- that car.— in history -- that car. and people are gathering _ in history -- that car. and people are gathering with _ in history -- that car. and people are gathering with the _ in history -- that car. and people| are gathering with the conventions of the crowd which are usually associated with celebration, football matches, horse racing, whatever, and it is easier really for the folks around buckingham palace, cheering the new king and queen. complex emotions now. and it will be interesting to see how people, how the crowds react. there we can see the crowds and we have come to see from the air, getting used to the cars parked, have got out and gone of the road to catch this glimpse, even though the cavalcade is streaking past them rapidly at this stage. and as we stay with the aerial images we are now familiar with today of the cortege, i am looking as well at a number of camera angles in various parts of edinburgh and i know we keep saying it, but thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of people are out on the streets. and we know that many have been there since really quite early this morning, standing there for many hours, waiting for their glimpse of what we have been looking at here since ten o'clock this morning. that was the point at which the queen's cortege left balmoral. we will state with these pictures, but try to give you a sense of what we are witnessing, and what is to come in the next few minutes and hours. this is the cortege taking the queen to her resting place for tonight, at holyroodhouse in edinburgh. it set offjust after ten o'clock this morning from balmoral and worth reminding you perhaps before we get into edinburgh proper of what we expect in the coming days. tomorrow afternoon on monday, there will be a short procession of there will be a short procession of the coffin along the royal mile to st giles' cathedral, with the king and queen consort following on foot. a service will be held attended by members of the royal family. the queen will remain at st giles' cathedral for a queen will remain at st giles' cathedralfor a short queen will remain at st giles' cathedral for a short period of lying in rest and cathedral for a short period of lying in restand in cathedral for a short period of lying in rest and in the, there will be a vigil. later on, the queen's coffin will be taken to edinburgh airport. that will happen on tuesday teatime. her body will be flown to london and she will be accompanied by her daughter, the princess royal, princess anne. it will arrive at buckingham palace in the evening, witnessed by the new king, king charles, and the queen consort. and on wednesday afternoon, the queen's coffin will be adorned with the crown and a wreath of flowers and it will travel on a gun carriage from buckingham palace to westminster hall. that is what awaits in the coming days. our royal correspondent sean coquelin hasjoined us in the studio. what we are witnessing here as we witness these scenes in edinburgh, everything we have seen today building up to a moment of reflection for the people of edinburgh, many people from across scotland now, and a sense of what is to come in the days ahead. i suppose this first pausing point, if i can put it that way, is what we will see in the next 24 hours also in the scottish capital, these will be the first people who will have the chance to pay their respects and file past the queen's coffin. that's riuht. in a file past the queen's coffin. that's right- in a way _ file past the queen's coffin. that's right. in a way that _ file past the queen's coffin. that's right. in a way that is _ file past the queen's coffin. that's right. in a way that is almost - file past the queen's coffin. that's right. in a way that is almost like l right. in a way that is almost like the first step of a journey that will take more than a week, from balmoral to edinburgh gradually this rolls out and i thought it was very moving this money, beginning simply in balmoral, the coffin carried by six of the queen's gamekeepers, the coffin taken to the hearse and a rather homely scene. that will play out in this great narrative until it reaches westminster abbey for the state funeral, with choirs and grandeur and world leaders. today is the first glimpse of that and we have seen the root of the journey from edinburgh, small groups of people looking on and wishing well. edinburgh will be a bigger crowd and eventually london even bigger so it's gradually building up to a crescendo of movement and activity and eventually a very solemn conclusion. {lit and eventually a very solemn conclusion.— and eventually a very solemn conclusion. , ~ , conclusion. of course. and people watchin: , conclusion. of course. and people watching, sombre _ conclusion. of course. and people watching, sombre and _ conclusion. of course. and people watching, sombre and sober- conclusion. of course. and people i watching, sombre and sober though this is, they might think i want to queue up, however long it takes, i want to queue up and have that moment, for whatever reason, i want to file past the queen's coffin and pay my respects, whatever their motivations might be, whether in edinburgh or london. it’s motivations might be, whether in edinburgh or london.— motivations might be, whether in edinburgh or london. it's a moment of histo . edinburgh or london. it's a moment of history- for— edinburgh or london. it's a moment of history. for all— edinburgh or london. it's a moment of history. for all of— edinburgh or london. it's a moment of history. for all of us, _ edinburgh or london. it's a moment of history. for all of us, none - edinburgh or london. it's a moment of history. for all of us, none of- of history. for all of us, none of us have seen this before, very few of us, we don't know if we will see it again so there's an opportunity to almost take part in it and pay our own respects but to see it is very important and i think people often want to be there to watch on television as well, but lining the road and looking at something that is a very deep tradition that happens each time these big events happen, people like to go. even coming to work this morning, you could see people on the trains with bunches of flowers hoping to go to buckingham palace and there is a sense of participation and anticipation as well as people are thinking of what has happened. you will see it in communities across the country as the cortege goes through. we will see more of this and people will have their own thoughts. their reasons for being there, they will bring their children come and say, perhaps older people will remember the coronation and i think it is a generational thing as well, people wanting to talk about it and take pictures and remember it and talk about it and it is what people now are discussing and thinking about. yes. is what people now are discussing and thinking about.— is what people now are discussing and thinking about. yes, we will go to edinburgh _ and thinking about. yes, we will go to edinburgh in _ and thinking about. yes, we will go to edinburgh in a _ and thinking about. yes, we will go to edinburgh in a moment. - and thinking about. yes, we will go to edinburgh in a moment. and - and thinking about. yes, we will go to edinburgh in a moment. and all| to edinburgh in a moment. and all these interviews _ to edinburgh in a moment. and all these interviews we _ to edinburgh in a moment. and all these interviews we have - to edinburgh in a moment. and all these interviews we have had - these interviews we have had practically have been intergenerational, grandmothers and mothers _ intergenerational, grandmothers and mothers and children. it does bring people _ mothers and children. it does bring people together, in sadness but also in a very— people together, in sadness but also in a very human sense. i love your analogy— in a very human sense. i love your analogy to— in a very human sense. i love your analogy to it — in a very human sense. i love your analogy to it starting in this small way and _ analogy to it starting in this small way and swelling up and going through— way and swelling up and going through all of those harvested fields— through all of those harvested fields of— through all of those harvested fields of rural scotland, moving now into the _ fields of rural scotland, moving now into the urban area and what lies ahead _ into the urban area and what lies ahead. lt— into the urban area and what lies ahead. , ~ ., into the urban area and what lies ahead. , ,, ., ., ., ahead. it is like a river going from ahead. it is like a river going from a stream to _ ahead. it is like a river going from a stream to a _ ahead. it is like a river going from a stream to a river _ ahead. it is like a river going from a stream to a river and _ ahead. it is like a river going from a stream to a river and swelling. l a stream to a river and swelling. exactly. and royalty is about choreography, and again, as we have said so— choreography, and again, as we have said so much, — choreography, and again, as we have said so much, it is something the queen— said so much, it is something the queen did — said so much, it is something the queen did very well. and the way he had started, it looks like prince charles — had started, it looks like prince charles is— had started, it looks like prince charles is carrying on at speed. robert — charles is carrying on at speed. robert would no more than i would, but the expression of that monarchy has to be seen to be believed it is also true in the sad part of monarchy. also true in the sad part of monarchy-— also true in the sad part of monarch . . ., , , monarchy. and the abbot saying is that monarchy _ monarchy. and the abbot saying is that monarchy is _ monarchy. and the abbot saying is that monarchy is only _ monarchy. and the abbot saying is that monarchy is only as _ monarchy. and the abbot saying is that monarchy is only as good - monarchy. and the abbot saying is that monarchy is only as good as l monarchy. and the abbot saying is l that monarchy is only as good as the people _ that monarchy is only as good as the people doing the job, and she did the job— people doing the job, and she did the job and that is what people are marking today and will be in the week— marking today and will be in the week ahead. find marking today and will be in the week ahead-— marking today and will be in the week ahead. �* ., , , ., week ahead. and that is why we are seeinu week ahead. and that is why we are seeing crowds in _ week ahead. and that is why we are seeing crowds in the numbers - week ahead. and that is why we are seeing crowds in the numbers we i week ahead. and that is why we are l seeing crowds in the numbers we are. we can return to edinburgh now and rejoin sarah smith who is there for us. let's return to edinburgh, to rejoin sarah smith, and we are looking at images from the sky, which perhaps you do not have access to, sarah, but quite deep crowds of people as the cortege comes into edinburgh, and huge crowds we are seeing, is that fair to say, where you are? filth. that fair to say, where you are? oh, es, it's that fair to say, where you are? oh, yes. its building _ that fair to say, where you are? on, yes, it's building all the time. huge numbers of people who are now aligning the royal mile, and all around here, around holyroodhouse palace. although there is a real sense of anticipation building here, as they expect the cortege to come through and to be able to catch a glimpse of it, it is just how polite everybody is being, people are here in huge numbers, it would be easy to see somejostling to in huge numbers, it would be easy to see some jostling to get the best spot, but there is a real kind of family atmosphere her, with young babies, old people, dogs, you name it, generations have come out and they are standing very patiently, very quietly, waiting for the cortege to arrive, without any sense of selfishness, trying to grab their own spot, it's very, very friendly, and it's very, very sombre. people are standing reflecting on what has happened as they wait to see the cortege, and it is very different from other occasions where you might see huge crowds like this, looking at the numbers of people lining the royal mile there, we think about other times we have seen huge crowds come out like this along the royal mile in edinburgh, the last time i can remember seeing anything like this was when the scottish parliament was being opened for the first time in 1999, there were not quite so many people here then, but the whole of the royal mile was lined with well—wishers, and then they saw queen elizabeth driving in an open top vehicle all the way up the royal mile to the general assembly building at the church of scotland to open the scottish parliament for the first time, they were lining the streets in order to catch a glimpse of queen elizabeth. and she came to scotland very early in her reign, she made a real point of coming herejust in her reign, she made a real point of coming here just three weeks after the coronation in 1953, and again, herand her husband after the coronation in 1953, and again, her and her husband the duke of edinburgh drove through the streets of edinburgh in an open top vehicle so that people could see them, people were lining the royal mile then, in order to say hello to their new queen, in 1953, and they have come out in even greater numbers in order to take goodbye to queen liz in edinburgh. —— numbers in order to take goodbye to queen liz in edinburgh. -- queen is. when she opened the scottish parliament in 1999, the queen spoke very deliberately about the people of scotland, and she said the grit, determination and humour, the forthrightness and above all the strong sense of identity of the scottish people are qualities which contribute so much to the life of the united kingdom. that was her tribute, and she was making clear that she understood that this was a country within the united kingdom, with its own sense of identity, and people of a distinct character. she knew them, she understood them, she cared deeply for scotland, and that will be one of the reasons that we are seeing just so many people coming out to catch a glimpse of the coffin as it is driving through the streets of edinburgh and making its way here to the historic old town right in the centre of edinburgh, where the cortege will finish its journey at the palace of holyroodhouse, which was always the official residence of the queen whenever she was in scotland. thank ou ve whenever she was in scotland. thank you very much _ whenever she was in scotland. thank you very much for — whenever she was in scotland. thank you very much for now, _ whenever she was in scotland. thank you very much for now, sarah - whenever she was in scotland. thank you very much for now, sarah smith. as the cortege makes its way now into scotland's capital. the bbc�*s royal correspondent is watching these pictures in the studio with me, and still with us is the historian and biographer robert lacey for and goodness, robert, you and i have been following this journey all day from early this morning, and there was that deeply poignant moment when the gates of balmoral opened, and the cortege started to make its way out and resort the coffin for the first time, i feel as resort the coffin for the first time, ifeel as if this now, the entry into edinburgh, is similarly moving. i'm not even sure whether i can put my finger on why, something about the capital, the sheer number of people there, the fact that the queen will rest here now for 24 hours or so as well, there is something very simple but sad and poignant about that as well. i something very simple but sad and poignant about that as well. heel poignant about that as well. i feel 'ust the poignant about that as well. i feel just the same. — poignant about that as well. i feel just the same, actually. _ poignant about that as well. i feel just the same, actually. i - poignant about that as well. i feel just the same, actually. i am - poignant about that as well. ifssl just the same, actually. i am trying to work out myself how to put it into words. the first sight of her into words. the first sight of her in the coffin was of course tremendous moving to everybody who saw it around the world on television. then, out on the road, we got sucked up by the feelings of people along the way, and also our excursions back to london, where the mood is so different because it's looking to the future, with king charles iii. and now, suddenly, we sense, don't we, that there is something emotional coming now, and ourfocus is entirely something emotional coming now, and our focus is entirely back on this woman, why everybody around the world but here particularly in scotland, the capital of scotland, is so moved and wants to pay their particular tribute what she has done and what she has meant to them. find and what she has meant to them. and auain, it and what she has meant to them. and again. it takes — and what she has meant to them. and again, it takes us back to much of what you and i talked about a lot over that long platinum jubilee weekend, the crowds we saw, the celebrations we saw, there were people you and i spoke to who might have had certain views on the monarchy, certainly might have wanted to see a more modernised monarchy, howeveryou wanted to see a more modernised monarchy, however you define that, but a slimmed down monarchy, would have thought i could be changes which could be made in 2022 to the institution, but the one theme that cut through everything a conversation we had with people, which was, the queen is different, there was a respect for the queen, there was a respect for the queen, there was an admiration for the fact that she worked into her 90s, the phrase, she never put a foot wrong, that was the phrase that people used to you quite a lot, just that sense that, and i am not trying to say any human being is absolutely perfect, but there was that sense that people had, that the queen transcended the institution as a whole, and that thatis institution as a whole, and that that is what people have turned out on the streets today to value and remember and say thank you for. it was interesting even in that report from northern ireland, sinn fein, who are anti—monarchists entirely, still, and they won't take part in certain things, but that doesn't preclude them from paying tribute to the way in which the queen did her job so well, and of course specifically in the case of ireland made this human contribution to reconciliation, that only she could make. the same process, the same human touch that she brought to the whole dissolution of the british empire and its conversion into a family of nations. you know, ireland at least still is in british family of nations, and i wasjust thinking, too, about those horseracing pictures we saw, one reason she loved ireland was because that was where she sent her young horses because the irish grass is so good for them, and where she had them bred. so, we're talking all the time about a human being who in her different ways, whether you are monarchist or not, has touched our lives. and that's what the people of edinburgh are gathering to mark now. and picking up briefly on that point, sean, you think of those images today of the queen shaking hands with some of those politicians, i mean come images which a few years previously you could not have imagined witnessing, and that is the role that she played in that? ,, , ., in that? the queen brought with a sort of dignity. — in that? the queen brought with a sort of dignity, and _ in that? the queen brought with a sort of dignity, and also _ in that? the queen brought with a sort of dignity, and also her - sort of dignity, and also her separation from the party political process allowed her to be above that, _ process allowed her to be above that, and — process allowed her to be above that, and i— process allowed her to be above that, and i think she brought a lot of dignity— that, and i think she brought a lot of dignity to those relationships, and it— of dignity to those relationships, and it was— of dignity to those relationships, and it was a very profound thing. and i_ and it was a very profound thing. and i think— and it was a very profound thing. and i think that is part of the fact that often— and i think that is part of the fact that often part of the way she is held now— that often part of the way she is held now is the fact that we know so little about — held now is the fact that we know so little about what she thinks about things. _ little about what she thinks about things, the mystery behind the mask of duty. _ things, the mystery behind the mask of duty. we _ things, the mystery behind the mask of duty, we still don't know, really — of duty, we still don't know, really. and i think that allowed many— really. and i think that allowed many people to project many things onto her. _ many people to project many things onto her, and that is a very hard thing _ onto her, and that is a very hard thing to— onto her, and that is a very hard thing to do. _ onto her, and that is a very hard thing to do, to sustain that, and never— thing to do, to sustain that, and never to— thing to do, to sustain that, and never to put a foot wrong, never to step away— never to put a foot wrong, never to step away from that, i think that is an achievement in itself to recognise. an achievement in itself to recognise-— an achievement in itself to recognise. an achievement in itself to recoanise. ~ ., �* ., ., ,, ., recognise. wouldn't we love to know some of the — recognise. wouldn't we love to know some of the things _ recognise. wouldn't we love to know some of the things that _ recognise. wouldn't we love to know some of the things that were - recognise. wouldn't we love to know some of the things that were back i recognise. wouldn't we love to know some of the things that were back in j some of the things that were back in those political conversations, in particular, but we won't. irate those political conversations, in particular, but we won't. we won't, and also as — particular, but we won't. we won't, and also as we _ particular, but we won't. we won't, and also as we look— particular, but we won't. we won't, and also as we look at _ particular, but we won't. we won't, and also as we look at those - and also as we look at those pictures. _ and also as we look at those pictures, you have that sense of ordinary— pictures, you have that sense of ordinary places seeing extraordinary things. _ ordinary places seeing extraordinary things, when you see back gardens and shops— things, when you see back gardens and shops and then there is this cortege — and shops and then there is this cortege going through, i think there is something about that which is very moving, seeing history go past your front _ very moving, seeing history go past your front door, and people coming out to— your front door, and people coming out to see — your front door, and people coming out to see it— your front door, and people coming out to see it on to say they were there. and — out to see it on to say they were there, and to remember it, and its ordinariness— there, and to remember it, and its ordinariness is part of its extraordinary nest, i think. going extraordinary nest, ! think. going through— extraordinary nest, i think. going through these places. | extraordinary nest, ithink. going through these places.— through these places. i wonder whether we _ through these places. i wonder whether we have _ through these places. i wonder whether we have any _ through these places. i wonder whether we have any sound - through these places. i wonder - whether we have any sound from any of our cameras to edinburgh. whether wejust get a of our cameras to edinburgh. whether we just get a sense of what the crowd is, or isn't saying, doing... applause. and many, many people clapping as the cortege goes past, as we have seenin the cortege goes past, as we have seen in earlier stages of this journey. beautiful aerial shots of edinburgh, i think we will have other images as well of the royal mile. very moving, watching the cortege drive through those streets, people who had been waiting for so, so long, just standing quietly, calmly, and then that lovely ripple of applause as the cortege passed them by. as the queen makes herfinaljourney queen makes her final journey through queen makes herfinaljourney through her beloved scotland. and the coffin will rest for 24 hours in st giles' cathedral. as we stay with these pictures, let's talk to the right reverend dr iain greenshields, who is moderator of the general assembly of the church of scotland. he saw the queen in personjust church of scotland. he saw the queen in person just a few days before she died, at the royal deeside estate. thank you so much for being with us here on the bbc, as we stay with images from the city of edinburgh. and tell us about your final, as it turned out to be, conversation with her majesty, what did you discuss? well, in fact it was a week ago today, and we were just discussing the service that had taken place at pretty church, we were doing that over dinner, and she was very lively and engaged in the discussion, and when i was given leave to leave balmoral, i spoke to herfor a when i was given leave to leave balmoral, i spoke to her for a few moments, and i gave her a wooden cross that had been made by prisoners, and she very gratefully received it from me, and wished me goodbye. ifind it very received it from me, and wished me goodbye. i find it very difficult to believe that that lady who was so alive and with it a week ago is no longer with us.— alive and with it a week ago is no longer with us. because we had all seen her looking _ longer with us. because we had all seen her looking much more - longer with us. because we had all seen her looking much more frail. seen her looking much more frail physically, but you are clearly telling us that in every other way, she was bright she was engaged, she was the person you had always known, you had always had these sort of conversations with? l you had always had these sort of conversations with?— you had always had these sort of conversations with? i mean, i had not had any _ conversations with? i mean, i had not had any conversations - conversations with? i mean, i had not had any conversations with . conversations with? i mean, i had| not had any conversations with her up not had any conversations with her up until then, not had any conversations with her up untilthen, and i hadn't not had any conversations with her up until then, and i hadn't known what to expect, and you're right, she was frail when she came into the room, but that wasn't the lady that i was engaged in conversation with on saturday or on sunday. she was intelligent, she was with it, up—to—date, she had an incredible memory for things, and ijust find memory for things, and i just find it memory for things, and ijust find it very difficult to believe that thatis it very difficult to believe that that is her gone. bind it very difficult to believe that that is her gone.— it very difficult to believe that that is her gone. and it is well documented, _ that is her gone. and it is well documented, the _ that is her gone. and it is well documented, the importancel that is her gone. and it is well. documented, the importance of that is her gone. and it is well - documented, the importance of her faith to her throughout her life, did you touch on that?- faith to her throughout her life, did you touch on that? yes, we did, and that was _ did you touch on that? yes, we did, and that was very evident _ did you touch on that? yes, we did, and that was very evident in - did you touch on that? yes, we did, and that was very evident in the - and that was very evident in the conversations that we had, and we will have the opportunity now tomorrow of expressing our thanksgiving for her life in st giles', and it is a very appropriate place that that will take place in, and it's very appropriate that we will be celebrating her life and her faith there. and on a more personal level, again i am struck by the number of people in the last few days who have said to me how much the queen would put you at your ease when you entered the room, despite the inevitable formalities surrounding her, i think everyone has said that once you are actually in her presence, she is, she was, we forget that, she was remarkably easy to talk to. would rsmgrisaigt�*g�* sgs�*g’tg talkie; “rigid say that was remarkaetg�* eaa�*gie talkie; magi-a say that was your experience? you say that was your experience? absolutely. she was the queen, yes, you knew that, and there was a certain respect for her majesty but absolutely, she you at absolutely, she had you right at �*ease absolutely, she had you right at �* ease from the get go and she your ease from the get go and she was quite remarkable lady.- your ease from the get go and she was quite remarkable lady. thank you so much for— was quite remarkable lady. thank you so much for your— was quite remarkable lady. thank you so much for your remembrances - was quite remarkable lady. thank you so much for your remembrances and l so much for your remembrances and your time here on bbc news, right reverend doctor iain greenshields, the moderator of the general assembly of the church of scotland. and now let's return to the centre of edinburgh. i don't even know how many deep those crowds are, just people as far as the eye can see as this quotation makes its slow, final procession through the streets of edinburgh —— this cortege. and the queen's coffin will rest in st giles' cathedral for 24 hours. this is the capital of one of her kingdoms to which she is returning for the last time. and i think that the dog it is almost a cliche, people are saying that they are here for the history but why not? —— i think it is almost a cliche. it is an age passing. and such a shy person, to command such loyalty and love it is actually a tribute to her shyness and i think her christian faith. it is not for him to say but i am sure she greatly enjoyed meeting doctor iain greenshields. her professional duties brought her up her professional duties brought her up with a number of classes of men and women, men of politics, men and women of philanthropy and politics but it was always said that she and the duke of edinburgh, who did enjoy a good philosophical argument, loved to talk with men and women of god. and to discuss the faith that both of them, the personalfaith and to discuss the faith that both of them, the personal faith they had and which we have heard the new king charles expressed so eloquently, talking about his mother and father now being joined in heaven. taste talking about his mother and father now being joined in heaven. now being 'oined in heaven. we can 'ust hear now being joined in heaven. we can 'ust hear a now being joined in heaven. we can just hear a little _ now being joined in heaven. we can just hear a little of _ now being joined in heaven. we can just hear a little of the _ just hear a little of the crowds again. applause again, plenty of clapping. as this slow procession makes its way. apologies, slightlyjumping ahead of myself, because of course the cortege is taking the queen to the palace of holyroodhouse. that will be its final destination this afternoon. but of course, ultimately, the queen will lay at rest at st giles' cathedral which we have mentioned many times today, and thatis have mentioned many times today, and that is where people will be able to pay their respects but at the moment the cortege is winding its way to the cortege is winding its way to the palace of holyroodhouse. that reall is the palace of holyroodhouse. that really is the royal— the palace of holyroodhouse. that really is the royal mile today. in l really is the royal mile today. in every really is the royal mile today. ti every sense, yes. really is the royal mile today. in every sense, yes. and _ really is the royal mile today. in every sense, yes. and it's - every sense, yes. and it's interesting _ every sense, yes. and it's interesting when - every sense, yes. and it's interesting when you - every sense, yes. and it's. interesting when you watch every sense, yes. and it's - interesting when you watch that people — interesting when you watch that people are clapping politely but people — people are clapping politely but people will think, how do you respond — people will think, how do you respond to a funeral? there is a ripple _ respond to a funeral? there is a ripple of— respond to a funeral? there is a ripple of polite applause.- respond to a funeral? there is a ripple of polite applause. there is and we can _ ripple of polite applause. there is and we can hear— ripple of polite applause. there is and we can hear a _ ripple of polite applause. there is and we can hear a little _ ripple of polite applause. there is and we can hear a little more - ripple of polite applause. there is and we can hear a little more of. and we can hear a little more of that. applause and so the queen is very nearly at the end of herjourney for today. the hearse pulled up at the front of the palace of holyroodhouse in edinburgh. and she will remain there overnight. before the focus then tomorrow turns to st giles' cathedral in the city. the coffin will be taken into the throne room inside holyroodhouse. that will be her resting place for tonight. so quiet at holyroodhouse. and my guests watching all of this today, this moment in history, as the queen's coffin is taken inside. the princess royal, princess anne... vince andrew and prince edward. —— prince andrew. the queen's children... she now has three of the queen's children. .. she now has three of her— the queen's children... she now has three of her children _ the queen's children... she now has three of her children with _ the queen's children. .. she now has three of her children with her- the queen's children... she now has three of her children with her and . three of her children with her and prince charles, sorry, king charles will come tomorrow.— will come tomorrow. yes, the princess royal _ will come tomorrow. yes, the princess royal and _ will come tomorrow. yes, the princess royal and her - will come tomorrow. yes, the i princess royal and her husband will come tomorrow. yes, the - princess royal and her husband made thatjourney princess royal and her husband made that journey with the princess royal and her husband made thatjourney with the cortege, staying with her mother throughout the final journey from balmoral to edinburgh and now the queen's three children there inside the palace of holyroodhouse, where the queen will rest tonight. and again, seeing her three children, it reminds us perhaps of the scenes we saw less than 24 hours ago outside balmoral as members of the royal family came out to thank the royal family came out to thank the well—wishers and look at flowers and read the messages and we saw those very moving images of some of the members of the royal family visibly upset. they had lost a loved one, so easy to forget, princess beatrice and eugenie, for example, very tearful as they looked at the tributes that had been left. they have lost their granny. the new prince of wales issued that very moving statement, talking about how he has lost grandmother. and just there again, as the coffin was taken inside, just that flash, at the momentary shot where we remember that there are children and grandchildren who have lost someone very dear to them, just as the nation says goodbye to the longest reigning monarch in its history. robert lacey, who has been with me here throughout the day, you have studied history, you write about royal history, but we have not seen these scenes before, and we may not again. these scenes before, and we may not aaain. ~ . ., , these scenes before, and we may not auain.~ . ., , ., �* again. well, we certainly haven't seen them _ again. well, we certainly haven't seen them before, _ again. well, we certainly haven't seen them before, and - again. well, we certainly haven't seen them before, and i- again. well, we certainly haven't seen them before, and i think i again. well, we certainly haven't - seen them before, and i think maybe what's totally unique about today is, hundreds of miles of clapping, has ever that happened before? starting, as sean said, with a small, humble church, and finishing now in the grandeur of edinburgh. it was thanks to the helicopter, which had to take a break halfway through, thatis had to take a break halfway through, that is what is unique. and as we remarked earlier, other monarchs have died away from the capital, remind us of the united kingdom we live in, as the generations have gone by, from queen victoria, who wasjust whisked up by gone by, from queen victoria, who was just whisked up by train and taken to windsor, to george v and george vi, who came from sandringham, with more ceremony and public attention, but this moves beyond them all. every camera shot we saw, where we saw two images, what camera was showing us, and what all those mobile phone screens were showing us, too, which were in fact people's memories getting preserved, that they will be taking home and looking at tonight. new technology bringing these internal emotions and old—fashioned ceremony and meaning. bringing it home in a new way. and bringing it home in a new way. and what were people clapping? were they saying thank you? were they saying goodbye? were they, as we have heard so many times, even all the people we interviewed at buckingham palace today, wanting to be part of this moment of history, robert? taste moment of history, robert? we wondered moment of history, robert? , wondered how people would react, with the conflicting emotions of farewell, and then also, the welcoming of the new era. old—fashioned english clapping, sorry, british clapping. don’t old-fashioned english clapping, sorry, british clapping. don't make me correct — sorry, british clapping. don't make me correct you! — sorry, british clapping. don't make me correct you! proved _ sorry, british clapping. don't make me correct you! proved to - sorry, british clapping. don't make me correct you! proved to be - sorry, british clapping. don't make me correct you! proved to be the i me correct you! proved to be the wa . but me correct you! proved to be the way- itut it _ me correct you! proved to be the way- itut it was _ me correct you! proved to be the way. but it was discreet, - way. but it was discreet, restrained, respectful all the time. stick it was, throughout. since ten o'clock this morning, that is exactly how it has been. and now, martin geissler, edinburgh's time now for the next 24 hours, the focus is on this city. what has just struck me is, thejourney is on this city. what has just struck me is, the journey today has taken the queen from a place where she knew as a place of rest, it was an informal place for her, and we saw the cortege emerging through the gates of balmoral without much ceremony, to a place of absolute ceremony. martin geissler: ~ ., ceremony. martin geissler: ., , martin geissler: we have seen the marchin: martin geissler: we have seen the marching bands. _ martin geissler: we have seen the marching bands, the _ martin geissler: we have seen the marching bands, the courtyard - martin geissler: we have seen the marching bands, the courtyard at - marching bands, the courtyard at holyroodhouse, that is the official residence of the royal family in scotland, and it is for ceremony. and so begins a week of ceremony. the quiet, behind closed doors aspect of that long and remarkable life is over, and for the next week, it will be about people getting the chance to say those goodbyes. she will rest tonight in a room with that she will have known very well, the throne room in the palace of holyroodhouse was used for receptions and state occasions, so she will have seen many evenings in there, and last night she was also in a room that she knew very well as well, the ballroom in balmoral, used for the annual ball which was a fantastic social event in the calendar of deeside, everybody who worked on the estate was invited to the ball, as were a whole variety of local people, notjust the gentry, the landowners, shop owners, literally, butchers, bakers, candlestick makers, and they would have danced with the royal family, in a ceilidh, not in a formal ball which people might expect, but a highland dance. i don't know whether the shoes did come off, but they tend to! and people who have been to these occasions talk very fondly about how informal they were and how happy the members of the royal family seem to be when they were in that environment. leta family seem to be when they were in that environment.— that environment. lets turn to edinburgh _ that environment. lets turn to edinburgh itself, _ that environment. lets turn to edinburgh itself, and - that environment. lets turn to edinburgh itself, and sarah i that environment. lets turn to i edinburgh itself, and sarah smith, who is in the city for us as we look at various vantage points that we have from where we are, sarah, and people not going anywhere quickly, just gently milling around, perhaps some people still in thought. yes. some people still in thought. yes, --eole some people still in thought. yes, people very _ some people still in thought. yes, people very gradually _ some people still in thought. is: people very gradually starting to move away, from where i am, i can see people just beginning, move away, from where i am, i can see peoplejust beginning, but move away, from where i am, i can see people just beginning, but as you say, in no hurry. they have witnessed a moment in history here, and they are not in a hurry to leave, because it is a poignant moment for most of the people who have come here to see this. after what has been a really remarkable day, if we think about what we have been watching today. it started off looking almost humble, as we saw the queen's coffin leaving the gates of balmoral. as it travelled down through scotland, and was witnessed by people along the route, the various towns and cities that the cortege went through, this became notjust cortege went through, this became not just about watching the queen's coffin being driven through the streets of scotland, is very affecting as that was, i think we all caught our breath for the moment the first time we saw it leaving the gates of balmoral, this was a day that wasn't just about pageantry and p°mp that wasn't just about pageantry and pomp and circumstance, this is a day that became one about the people of scotland. they came out in such huge number to line the route, whether it was through the streets of aberdeen or dundee, or along the more rural roads that the cortege drove along as it left balmoral and started coming south. the people who came out, with quiet dignity but in huge numbers, they showed the respect that scotland had for its queen, and just how queen elizabeth herself had touched the lives and hearts of so many people here, what more fitting tribute can there be, than a slight surprise that we had, huge numbers of crowds, hundreds of thousands of people, who stood for hours and hours, just hoping to get a glimpse of the cortege. now, there was pageantry along the way, we saw the proclamations of the accession of king charles bean read in some different cities throughout scotland and across the rest of the united kingdom, and that came with all the pageantry you would expect, as the kings bodyguard for scotland, the royal company of archers, went to the mercat cross to tell the people of edinburgh that the proclamation was about to be read told that queen elizabeth was dead, and that the king was now king charles iii. you can see how beautifully choreographed these moments of pageantry were, exactly as you would expect. and they contrasted beautifully, i think, expect. and they contrasted beautifully, ithink, with expect. and they contrasted beautifully, i think, with the careful and measured way in which these formal parts of the occasion were carried out, alongside all those people who had come with young children, with parents, generations of family, lining the route, listening to the proclamation of king charles iii. 0f of blessed and glorious memory, by whose _ of blessed and glorious memory, by whose decease the crown of great britain _ whose decease the crown of great britain and — whose decease the crown of great britain and northern ireland is solely— britain and northern ireland is solely rightfully come to the prince charles _ solely rightfully come to the prince charles philip arthur george. there was a 21 gun salute fired from edinburgh castle after that. god save the king! _ guns fire is the 21 gun salute was taking place, the cortege was still making its way south from balmoral, with its way south from balmoral, with its ultimate destination being here in edinburgh, where the streets were lined with people awaiting its arrival. and then the very last part of the journey of the queen's coffin came through the historic heart of edinburgh, came down the length of the royal mile, which runs from edinburgh castle to holyroodhouse, which was of course the queen's ultimate destination. and she was greeted again by the oil company of archers as she arrived at holyroodhouse. you can see here some of the lengthy journey that was made before she came finally to holyrood. where her coffin now rests in the throne room, and will be there overnight until she leaves again in procession from holyroodhouse, back up procession from holyroodhouse, back up the royal mile to st giles' cathedral. king charles will be following on foot behind the coffin, with other senior members of the royal family being driven up to the service of remembrance at st giles'. as the cortege arrived at holyroodhouse, we saw three of the queen's children at princess anne, prince andrew and prince edward, there to greet her, and now you can see people just very slowly moving away from the royal mile, which will be thronged with even more people i suspect tomorrow trying to cut limbs of the coffin as it makes its way back up the royal mile before lying in state at st giles' cathedral, lying at rest, i should say, for 24 hours, when people will have the opportunity to file past the coffin, before about teatime on tuesday, when the coffin will be flown from edinburgh airport to raf northolt. and some of the proceedings in london will then commence. for now, it is the people in edinburgh having their opportunity to pay their respects and say goodbye to queen elizabeth. ,,. ., ,, , elizabeth. sarah smith in edinburgh, many thanks — elizabeth. sarah smith in edinburgh, many thanks for— elizabeth. sarah smith in edinburgh, many thanks for now. _ as we stay with these images from the centre of edinburgh, let's just get some thoughts of the historian robert lacey, who has been with me throughout, and the bbc she is martin geissler. jane hill: martin, it strikes me, still peoplejust, no—one is any hurry up people are moving away, but it feels quiet, contemplative, no—one is rushing around, it has been a sober moment, and i guess all of us are absorbing what we have seen today. martin geissler: it seen today. martin geissler: , ~ seentoday. martin geissler: , ~ ., martin geissler: it is the kind of da it has martin geissler: it is the kind of day it has been, — martin geissler: it is the kind of day it has been, it _ martin geissler: it is the kind of day it has been, it was _ martin geissler: it is the kind of day it has been, it was not - martin geissler: it is the kind of day it has been, it was not a i martin geissler: it is the kind of day it has been, it was not a day l day it has been, it was not a day for rushing — day it has been, it was not a day for rushing anywhere, it was not a day for— for rushing anywhere, it was not a day for events, it was a day for thoughts, _ day for events, it was a day for thoughts, and contemplation. and i think probably nobody should be in any rush— think probably nobody should be in any rush to — think probably nobody should be in any rush to do anything, stand and chat and _ any rush to do anything, stand and chat and get a bit of perspective, i suspect, _ chat and get a bit of perspective, i suspect, is— chat and get a bit of perspective, i suspect, is what people are looking to do— suspect, is what people are looking to doiust _ suspect, is what people are looking to dojust now, and then gently head off and _ to dojust now, and then gently head off and let _ to dojust now, and then gently head off and let the rest of sunday evening — off and let the rest of sunday evening take care of itself, whatever that involves. but their thoughts — whatever that involves. but their thoughts i suspect will be what has happened today and what has happened over this _ happened today and what has happened over this remarkable life. we were saying _ over this remarkable life. we were saying earlier that it was worth taking — saying earlier that it was worth taking a — saying earlier that it was worth taking a moment to think, as we watched — taking a moment to think, as we watched this cortege... as we watched — watched this cortege... as we watched this cortege... as we watched this cortege... as we watched this cortege wending through the most _ watched this cortege wending through the most beautiful parts of scotland... somebody has brought the corgis _ scotland... somebody has brought the corgis the _ scotland... somebody has brought the corgis. the moment of history that we were _ corgis. the moment of history that we were watching, it really has been something _ we were watching, it really has been something remarkable, and if! we were watching, it really has been something remarkable, and if i can 'ust something remarkable, and if i can just add _ something remarkable, and if i can just add my— something remarkable, and if i can just add my own thoughts to what sarah _ just add my own thoughts to what sarah said, i think scotland did itself— sarah said, i think scotland did itself proud today, for what it is worth, — itself proud today, for what it is worth, it — itself proud today, for what it is worth, it looked beautiful, and it was respect for, and if this recess has to— was respect for, and if this recess has to start, _ was respect for, and if this recess has to start, and sadly it has to, it did _ has to start, and sadly it has to, it did well — has to start, and sadly it has to, it did well. the corgis... james cook. — it did well. the corgis... james cook. i— it did well. the corgis... james cook, i think it wasjames, i can't tell you _ cook, ! think it wasjames, i can't tell you how— cook, i think it wasjames, i can't tell you how any people have asked me in— tell you how any people have asked me in the _ tell you how any people have asked me in the last few days, what do you think— me in the last few days, what do you think will— me in the last few days, what do you think will happen to the corgis? well, _ think will happen to the corgis? well, that was one of the cartoons that broke me, you might have seen a little sketch cartoon in the washington post, and it wasjust a single corgi on its lead, with no—one at the end of the lead, and it turned around and was looking backwards. and i can't say anymore because as a dog lover, that broke me. and it is a beautiful, simple image, thatjust said, where is my owner? robert lacey: ~ , , owner? robertlacey: , , ., ., robert lacey: where is my leader and carer? and if — robert lacey: where is my leader and carer? and if one _ robert lacey: where is my leader and carer? and if one dare _ robert lacey: where is my leader and carer? and if one dare interpret - robert lacey: where is my leader and carer? and if one dare interpret a i carer? and if one dare interpret a cartoon. — carer? and if one dare interpret a cartoon, isn't that the message, we are all— cartoon, isn't that the message, we are all that — cartoon, isn't that the message, we are all that corgi, in a sense, those — are all that corgi, in a sense, those of— are all that corgi, in a sense, those of us _ are all that corgi, in a sense, those of us who are committed to this, _ those of us who are committed to this, what— those of us who are committed to this, what we have seen today. corgis — this, what we have seen today. corgis are — this, what we have seen today. corgis are welsh, too, aren't they? so, corgis are welsh, too, aren't they? so. i— corgis are welsh, too, aren't they? so. i mean. — corgis are welsh, too, aren't they? so, i mean, people often talk about the queen— so, i mean, people often talk about the queen of england, and i think today. _ the queen of england, and i think today, we've really been reminded that that's — today, we've really been reminded that that'sjust one today, we've really been reminded that that's just one part of what she was — that that's just one part of what she was. so glad martin feels proud and happy. — she was. so glad martin feels proud and happy, and i think everybody in scotland _ and happy, and i think everybody in scotland watching must feel that. her love — scotland watching must feel that. her love for this country, scotland, has been _ her love for this country, scotland, has been so — her love for this country, scotland, has been so well displayed, and seeing — has been so well displayed, and seeing the coffin rolling through those _ seeing the coffin rolling through those won feels and everything else, it is a _ those won feels and everything else, it is a complete sort of feeling, sad though it is. it's interesting you say everyone in scotland, it's not often we say that everyone in scotland, because the country is divided over a very important issues at the moment but i think you're right, even the most fervent republicans in scotland would have stayed away today out of respect, they might not have any fondness for the monarchy but this was not a day to express that and they might have thought, you know what, this was about doing right by your country. you don't have to necessarily appreciate the institution to think this was a day conducted properly and well. and institution to think this was a day conducted properly and well. and you sa that conducted properly and well. and you say that cartoon _ conducted properly and well. and you say that cartoon was _ conducted properly and well. and you say that cartoon was perhaps - conducted properly and well. and you say that cartoon was perhaps saying, | say that cartoon was perhaps saying, where is my leader. our royal correspondent, sean, the uk has a new leader in king charles and all the scenes we have periodically witnessed today at buckingham palace, we have all reflected on the different tone, the sombre nature of what we have witnessed in scotland but people are waving flags and cheering and celebrating outside buckingham palace every time king charles is driven through the gates. exactly that, looking forward and looking _ exactly that, looking forward and looking back, _ exactly that, looking forward and looking back, we _ exactly that, looking forward and looking back, we look— exactly that, looking forward and 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pictures we saw of the i the last pictures we saw of the queen— the last pictures we saw of the queen at— the last pictures we saw of the queen at work, she was wearing a tartan~ _ queen at work, she was wearing a tartan. greeting the incoming prime minister— tartan. greeting the incoming prime minister of— tartan. greeting the incoming prime minister of the united kingdom, but she was— minister of the united kingdom, but she was wearing her scottish tartan and holding her scottish's crofter's stick~ _ and holding her scottish's crofter's stick. almost to say something so sad. _ stick. almost to say something so sad. as— stick. almost to say something so sad. as a — stick. almost to say something so sad, as a happy circumstance, but a week— sad, as a happy circumstance, but a week ago— sad, as a happy circumstance, but a week ago she was preparing to come to london— week ago she was preparing to come to london and now they went to her. again. _ to london and now they went to her. again. it— to london and now they went to her. again. it is— to london and now they went to her. again. it isa— to london and now they went to her. again, it is a remind of the united kingdom — again, it is a remind of the united kingdom over which she has presided so successfully. she kingdom over which she has presided so successfully.— so successfully. she was wearing tartan and _ so successfully. she was wearing tartan and that _ so successfully. she was wearing tartan and that beaming - so successfully. she was wearing tartan and that beaming smile, l so successfully. she was wearing - tartan and that beaming smile, most strikingly perhaps about that photograph, i suspect that is howl will remember it but that she looked old and frail and people were taken aback at how frail she looked but in the middle, the smile. and aback at how frail she looked but in the middle, the smile.— the middle, the smile. and the fire was lit as well! _ the middle, the smile. and the fire was lit as well! an _ the middle, the smile. and the fire was lit as well! an awful _ the middle, the smile. and the fire was lit as well! an awful lot - was lit as well! an awful lot colder! _ was lit as well! an awful lot colder! she _ was lit as well! an awful lot colder! she was _ colder! she was wearing her cardigan~ _ colder! she was wearing her cardiuan. . colder! she was wearing her cardigan-— colder! she was wearing her cardiuan. , , ., ., cardigan. yes, the smile and i read an interview _ cardigan. yes, the smile and i read an interview with _ cardigan. yes, the smile and i read an interview with the _ cardigan. yes, the smile and i read an interview with the photographer| an interview with the photographer who took it, and they made that point as well, what a delight that was. it was clearly an act of great bravery as well to be there for that. ,, ., bravery as well to be there for that, ,, ., ., , bravery as well to be there for that. ., , ., , that. so often things had been cancelled, but _ that. so often things had been cancelled, but this _ that. so often things had been cancelled, but this was - that. so often things had been cancelled, but this was a - that. so often things had beeni cancelled, but this was a great challenge. _ cancelled, but this was a great challenge, and _ cancelled, but this was a great challenge, and there - cancelled, but this was a great challenge, and there was - cancelled, but this was a great challenge, and there was a - cancelled, but this was a great . challenge, and there was a great deal of— challenge, and there was a great deal of speculation— challenge, and there was a great deal of speculation as _ challenge, and there was a great deal of speculation as to - challenge, and there was a great| deal of speculation as to whether she would — deal of speculation as to whether she would make _ deal of speculation as to whether she would make that _ deal of speculation as to whetheri she would make that engagement deal of speculation as to whether - she would make that engagement with liz truss— she would make that engagement with liz truss but— she would make that engagement with liz truss but there _ she would make that engagement with liz truss but there she _ she would make that engagement with liz truss but there she was, _ she would make that engagement with liz truss but there she was, the - liz truss but there she was, the last act— liz truss but there she was, the last act of— liz truss but there she was, the last act of her— liz truss but there she was, the last act of her constitutional- liz truss but there she was, the| last act of her constitutional duty that she — last act of her constitutional duty that she would _ last act of her constitutional duty that she would never _ last act of her constitutional duty that she would never miss. - last act of her constitutional duty that she would never miss. i - last act of her constitutional dutyl that she would never miss. i think it was— that she would never miss. i think it was a _ that she would never miss. i think it was a huge _ that she would never miss. i think it was a huge act _ that she would never miss. i think it was a huge act of— that she would never miss. i think it was a huge act of tenacity, - that she would never miss. i think it was a huge act of tenacity, justl it was a huge act of tenacity, just steely— it was a huge act of tenacity, just steelv will— it was a huge act of tenacity, just steelv will to _ it was a huge act of tenacity, just steely will to be _ it was a huge act of tenacity, just steely will to be there. _ it was a huge act of tenacity, just steely will to be there. you - it was a huge act of tenacity, 'ust steely will to be therei steely will to be there. you said earlier- -- _ steely will to be there. you said earlier... you _ steely will to be there. you said earlier... you talked _ steely will to be there. you said earlier... you talked about - steely will to be there. you said - earlier... you talked about braemar, when the family turned out, the clouds broke and it has just started raining! clouds broke and it has 'ust started rainina! . clouds broke and it has just started raining! yes! it has held off all da and raining! yes! it has held off all day and now— raining! yes! it has held off all day and now the _ raining! yes! it has held off all day and now the brollies are out. raining! yes! it has held off all- day and now the brollies are out. i had not spotted that but you are right, it takes me back to those 5°99y right, it takes me back to those soggy and muddy braemar games, apart from the moment when the queen arrived! we mentioned the new king who has been carrying out duties all afternoon inside buckingham palace but of course, as we said, he will make his way to edinburgh. we can just reflect on what he has been doing today and the next few days ahead with charlotte gallagher who has spent the day at buckingham palace. big crowds and cheers when king charles was taken into the palace but he was very much there for a working afternoon? he palace but he was very much there for a working afternoon?— for a working afternoon? he was indeed. for a working afternoon? he was indeed- he _ for a working afternoon? he was indeed. he has _ for a working afternoon? he was indeed. he has been _ for a working afternoon? he was indeed. he has been meeting i indeed. he has been meeting representatives from the commonwealth inside buckingham palace and you can tell he is there because the royal standard is flying high above the palace, as well as mourning the death of his mother, getting used to his new role as king. king charles iii. and we know the commonwealth was so important to queen elizabeth, that league of nations together, she felt it was a really important part of her legacy so i am sure what king charles wants to do is to continue and strengthen that and we saw cars going in earlierfrom the that and we saw cars going in earlier from the different commonwealth countries. we think they have left now. we also saw the queen consort, camilla, driving in earlierand queen consort, camilla, driving in earlier and there were cheers and even screams from the crowd, and she was waving and you knew she was coming because people had their phones in the air ready to take pictures as she drove past. there is a realfeeling of notjust remembering the queen but also excitement. people were really excited to see king charles, the new monarch, for the first time in 70 years. people are coming to lay flowers in green park but also to cheer on this new king and a lot of families here, multiple generations, grannies telling grandchildren about when they were growing up and the queen was growing up and how they saw then prince charles becoming king, a lot of mums and dads taking children, a lot of babies having photos and i'm sure parents are wanting to mark this historic moment. we have seen the ubiquitous paddington appearing on a lot of cards placed in the floral tributes at green park and one child i saw had even brought her own paddington toy to put down for queen elizabeth. so a real sense of community, people talking to each other, and you don't often get that in london, it can be fairly, not unfriendly place but almost anonymous place, but people had come down and they want to meet people and talk about their memories of the royal family.— of the royal family. charlotte gallagher. — of the royal family. charlotte gallagher, thank _ of the royal family. charlotte gallagher, thank you, - of the royal family. charlotte gallagher, thank you, and - of the royal family. charlotte i gallagher, thank you, and thank of the royal family. charlotte - gallagher, thank you, and thank you for your contributions this afternoon at buckingham palace. for the last time this evening, we reflect on the two elements of this story running today, the crowds we have seen at the palace, the cheering for the new king and queen consort, and the solemnity of what we have watched, the long six hour plus journey of the cortege which left our moral at ten o'clock this morning and now has finally arrived at the palace of holyroodhouse in a now rainy edinburgh. and perhaps, robert lacey, i can have one final thought with you, as somebody who has studied the monarchy and history and written so much about it. a moment in history. that is why a lot of people be heard from at buckingham palace said they wanted to be there and we are witnessing this, living through it. this is the end of the first stage of the queen's finaljourney, with more ceremonies to come over the next week but this is an enormous week in this nation's history. last week but this is an enormous week in this nation's history.— this nation's history. last week seemed pretty _ this nation's history. last week seemed pretty big, _ this nation's history. last week seemed pretty big, with - this nation's history. last week seemed pretty big, with prime| seemed pretty big, with prime ministers changing, and the queen herself passing away, but i think the coming week will move people even more. and give reality to this cliche we have been uttering about being part of history. we have watched history being made this afternoon. people out there were part of it. people watching have also been made party to it as well in all sorts of new ways that have come into being in this queen's reign. we saw the anticipation of the future respectful anticipation, outside buckingham palace, and mingled with the sadness with which we saw the people of scotland starting to say goodbye to their queen, who loved them so much and loved being there so much. and if she had to pass away, for her to pass away in her beloved balmoral was the place for it to be. yes. pass away in her beloved balmoral was the place for it to be. yes, and that very fact _ was the place for it to be. yes, and that very fact means _ was the place for it to be. yes, and that very fact means we _ was the place for it to be. yes, and that very fact means we have - was the place for it to be. yes, and that very fact means we have all i that very fact means we have all witnessed what we have today, and so many people in scotland, the country the queen loved so much, made her finaljourney there. and the queen loved so much, made her final journey there. and just the queen loved so much, made her finaljourney there. and just in the last few minutes, the coffin of queen elizabeth ii arrived here at holyroodhouse in edinburgh after the journey from balmoral castle in royal deeside, a journey that took her through so much of aberdeenshire, the countryside she so loved, the place where she and her husband, prince philip felt relaxed, where they could come to a degree, as much as they were ever allowed, switch off from the rigours and duties of royal life. and some of those famous photos of them relaxing around the balmoral estate, those perhaps stick in our minds is a place where they were, as much as we canjudge, at their most a place where they were, as much as we can judge, at their most relaxed. and now here tonight, the queen will rest inside the throne room there at holyroodhouse. that is her resting place for the night as she is born in in front of her other three children, the princess royal, prince andrew and prince edward. and those images bring to a close our coverage here from bbc news of the queen's finaljourney through here from bbc news of the queen's final journey through scotland. enormous thanks from me to my guests, robert lacey and martin geissler, who have sat with me and followed the queen's finaljourney. from me, jane hill, i wish you a very good evening. this mourning, the funeral cortege left balmoral castle, where the queen died on thursday, for a six hourjourney to edinburgh. silent onlookers gathered along the route to pay their respects, and some true floral tributes in the path of the coffin. the cortege passed through key landmarks as people bid farewell to the country's longest reigning monarch. , . . . to the country's longest reigning monarch. . . . . to the country's longest reigning monarch. , ., ., ~ to the country's longest reigning monarch. , ., ., ,, ., to the country's longest reigning monarch. , ., ., «a, ,, . monarch. just as a mark of respect, to see her — monarch. just as a mark of respect, to see her on _ monarch. just as a mark of respect, to see her on her— monarch. just as a mark of respect, to see her on her final— monarch. just as a mark of respect, to see her on her finaljourney - monarch. just as a mark of respect, to see her on her finaljourney back| to see her on herfinaljourney back to see her on herfinaljourney back to london. she has been really important to us as a family, just to pay our respects and say

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