Severe gale and a pretty blustery winter Northern Ireland. As well as that, aside from the wind, all these showers to come. Lengthy spells of rain for some, hail showers to come. Lengthy spells of rainforsome, hailand showers to come. Lengthy spells of rain for some, hail and thunder as well. Really unsettled and i have mentioned snow so it is going to be chilly tomorrow, temperatures between seven and ten for most of us. More showers taking us into thursday. Perhaps not quite as voracious as wednesday. But we have got more Rain Waiting In The Wings to come in on friday but slightly less chilly thursday with a bit more brightness between the showers but some nasty weather. Thanks, helen. Thats it. More analysis of the days top stories is over on Newsnight News where you are. Have a very good night. As englands Junior Doctors strike for 96 continuous hours, Hospital Bosses worry about what overnight cover there will be tonight. And with the government and bma union both adamant they wont budge, how can this latest and biggest strike be resolved . Tonight we bring all parties together. Well talk live to Conservative Peer and former Health Minister lord bethell, Junior Doctor dr Emma Runswick from the British Medical Association, patient annie gibbs, and from the body that represents hospital trusts, dr layla mccay. And as President Biden visits belfast, we hearfrom the peace babies born the year the Good Friday Agreement was signed. Newsbeat� s jordan kenny is one of them. From areas like west belfast where walls separate both communities tower over the houses and run through back gardens, peace is not something that is a certainty. Also tonight writer and journalist Hadley Freeman on her descent into anorexia as a teenager. Anorexia makes you behave in quite disgusting ways, wells would be hiding bags of vomit under that bad, Smearing Butter under the table. It is not some romantic disease, it will destroy you. Good evening. No pay talks untilJunior Doctors across england drop their demand for a 35 pay increase thats what the government said today as medical professionals walked out on strike for an unprecedented 4 days. For their part, Junior Doctors say theyd be prepared to suspend their Strike Action if the government put a � credible offer� on the table. The British Medical Association union says it wants � pay restoration� because Junior Doctors have had 15 years of below inflation wage rises and theres a shortage in the workforce. Theyve been offered 5 for 2022 23. The battle lines have been well and truly drawn today outside hospitals across the country and across the airwaves. Tonight we want to try to move on what has now become a familiar argument weve gathered players from all sides and in a few minutes well ask if theres a way forward and any common ground. First, how disruptive could todays action be . Kates been looking at the data. Health secretary Steve Barclay has previously accused unions of making a conscious decision to inflict harm on patients by going ahead with Industrial Action for nhs workers. The exact impact of the Junior Doctors� strike though is quite difficult to quantify. In mid march when Junior Doctors from several unions last walked out, around 28,500 staff in england missed work due to Strike Action each day. And with that constrained capacity the nhs have made plans to prioritise emergency and critical care. Studies of previous strikes show this can be effective. The six days ofJunior Doctors� strikes in england in 2016 saw no statistically significant increase in deaths on those dates. Disruption however can be far more widespread. In march this year english nhs trusts were asked to submit data on appointments which were rearranged as a result of Industrial Action. The biggest impact by far was in elective treatment. A Daily Average of more than 58,000 elective procedures or Outpatient Appointments were rescheduled due to the strike. We should say hospitals are given a certain amount of discretion in what they count as being moved due to strikes but here well take them at their word. If that same pattern was followed for this weeks longerfour day strike, more than 230,000 appointments would be affected. And the timing will also play a role this time. The Long Bank Holiday weekend typically sees a rise in people seeking urgent care think about diy injuries for example. And other non striking staff, such as experienced consultants. Are more likely to have booked days off. Combining all of this is why there are predictions of 250,000 or more elective procedures and Outpatient Appointments impacted by this strike. That would be a larger disruption than the six days ofJunior Doctor strikes in 2016. And recovering from those delays will add an extra pressure on already stretched services. For every day you lose, you have to get a day back. And there are nearly 1. 5 Million People referred into hospital for treatment every month. So losing the days that we are coming up to will probably take some months to catch back up, assuming there are no further strikes and that will require people to work harder and you know, quite a lot of extra effort. And that is one of the things i think is a worry because of course while the doctors are on strike, other people are taking the strain. And in common with a lot of other Health Systems in europe, people have come out with a very high rate of burn out and fatigue. Now when we think about the impact of these strikes we have to remember the scale of the problems the nhs is currently wrestling with. The pandemic was the great change in Waiting Lists for elective care. It had been growing in the years prior, but restrictions on appointments during covid 19 saw the Waiting Listjump from around 11. 5 Million People, to 7. 2 million. Even if this weeks 250,000 rearranged appointments translated directly to an extra quarter of a million on the waiting list which is unlikely that would still be a drop in the ocean. Now billions in funding has been committed to tackle the covid backlog. In February 2022 a plan focussed on the most extreme wait times. Since then, some progress has been made. Those waiting more than two years for treatment have fallen to around 1,000 people. Numbers waiting more than 18 months also fell. Waits that long were intended to be eliminated by this month but the nhs suggest this group recently halved again to just over 20,000 people. At the same time though, those waiting more than a year or more than 18 weeks have either remained broadly static or increased. And the areas where the nhs has made progress, on this graph theyre right at the bottom almost invisible against the scale of the growing issue. The irony here is that to truly tackle this waiting list, which these strikes will likely increase, the nhs will need to increase capacity significantly. And that will require staff willing to take on that work, something the outcome of these strikes may determine. Lets bring together all the parties involved in this dispute Conservative Peer and former Health Secretary lord bethell is with us, as is dr Emma Runswick who is a Junior Doctor and deputy chair of the British Medical Association council. And alongside me in the studio, annie gibbs, whos had multiple appointments cancelled since january and dr layla mccay, director of policy at the Nhs Confederation which represents nhs trusts. Welcome all of you. Annie first of all, three cancelled appointments since the start of the year to get a hearing aid. How are you feeling about that . For hearing aid. How are you feeling about that . About that . For me it has been extremely about that . For me it has been extremely frustrating. About that . For me it has been l extremely frustrating. Because it about that . For me it has been extremely frustrating. Because it is something i really rely on. When large Group Settings for work for example i cannot engage because i find it really hard to keep up with the conversation. And it has affected my confidence. Because most of the time i will be in Group Settings and ijust of the time i will be in Group Settings and i just will of the time i will be in Group Settings and ijust will not of the time i will be in Group Settings and i just will not say much at all. So it is affecting my Mental Health and me going out sometimes in the evening if i am alone. Because obviously i cannot hear very well. The alone. Because obviously i cannot hear very well hear very well. The first appointment hear very well. The first appointment was hear very well. The first appointment was in hear very well. The first appointment was in january and hear very well. The first appointment was in january and then appointment was injanuary and then three cancelled including one this week and the next one, do you know when that is . When that is . They sent me a text messaue when that is . They sent me a text message to when that is . They sent me a text message to say when that is . They sent me a text message to say it when that is . They sent me a text message to say it has when that is . They sent me a text message to say it has been message to say it has been rescheduled for the 19th of may so that will mean i have been without a hearing aid almost five months which is almost half a year. Let hearing aid almost five months which is almost half a year. Is almost half a year. Let me bring in doctor emma is almost half a year. Let me bring in doctor emma brunswick. Is almost half a year. Let me bring in doctor emma brunswick. What i is almost half a year. Let me bring in doctor emma brunswick. What annie is describing is not life or death but it is debilitating. What is describing is not life or death but it is debilitating. What would ou sa to but it is debilitating. What would you say to her . But it is debilitating. What would you say to her . Absolutely but it is debilitating. What would you say to her . Absolutely it but it is debilitating. What would j you say to her . Absolutely it has but it is debilitating. What would i you say to her . Absolutely it has an impact on many of these appointments and procedures will do but like any dry tens of thousands people for whom this is not the first time theyve had an appointment cancelled. And that is predominately not due to Strike Action, we have 7. 2 Million People on the waiting list even before Strike Action in the nhs. Appointments are cancelled because we have a lack of staff, we have a Workforce Crisis because we have a Workforce Crisis because we have run down pay and conditions for Health Workers in the course of the last decade. Bud Health Workers in the course of the last decade Health Workers in the course of the last decade. � ,. ,. ,. , last decade. And people are leaving. Some of those last decade. And people are leaving. Some of those things last decade. And people are leaving. Some of those things many last decade. And people are leaving. Some of those things many would i some of those things many would agree with, we do know that annie and potentially over a quarter of a million other appointments and procedures have been cancelled this week as a result of this latest 96 hour continuous Strike Action by other members. Bud hour continuous Strike Action by other members. Other members. And it is disappointing other members. And it is disappointing that other members. And it is disappointing that had i other members. And it is disappointing that had to| other members. And it is disappointing that had to happen other members. And it is disappointing that had to happen but this was entirely avoidable. We have been asking for talks with the Secretary Of State since last august. We have repeatedly offered negotiations in october and in january when we first started the ballot and at the end we offered further talks. They were not forthcoming and we took Industrial Action and then we had a Negotiating Meeting and Steve Barclay left that meeting and Steve Barclay left that meeting on the 22nd Of March with nothing offered at all. Having previously had no mandate. So we are in a position where we having to call Industrial Action to shift the government and the government saying were not prepared to talk at all. They are now. They will not put any offer on the table let alone a credible one. 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Negotiations need both sides participating and we are the only side participating. They cannot be many people who believe that a 35 pay demand is realistic and also youre using rpi which is not a credible figure to use according to the National Statistics organisation. Indie use according to the National Statistics organisation. We use rpi because that statistics organisation. We use rpi because that is statistics organisation. We use rpi because that is used statistics organisation. We use rpi because that is used for statistics organisation. We use rpi because that is used for student i because that is used for Student Loans and many of us have over £80,000 of student loan debt. That is the measure the government uses for Student Loans and also the measure they used to operate council tax and many other costs. So if it is good enough for the treasury in those circumstances it is good enough for us and also includes housing costs. We are claiming 35 of pay restoration to levels in 2008 because weve lost 26. 1 of pay in real terms and that makes all of us poorer and puts us at significant disadvantage. Weve had to compete with other countries such as australia and that creates a position where people are leaving and that we are doing the jobs of multiple people. We think that can be reversed and we think that patients in this country deserve better. Doctors in this country deserve better. The numbers here are quite small if you think about them in real terms. If you pose it as a percentage its it seems large but doctors in this country are earning £14 an hourand doctors in this country are earning £14 an hour and if their pay was to be restored it would be approximately £19 an hour and most viewers will consider that for a doctor to be perfectly reasonable. The overall cost to government would be approximately £1 billion which is a drop in the ocean compared to other Government Spending even within the Health Budget let alone the wider budget. Let within the Health Budget let alone the wider budget. Within the Health Budget let alone the wider budget. Let us bring in a conservative the wider budget. Let us bring in a Conservative Peer the wider budget. Let us bring in a Conservative Peer and the wider budget. Let us bring in a Conservative Peer and former i the wider budget. Let us bring in a i Conservative Peer and former Health Minister lord battle. A drop in terms of what the Junior Doctors are demanding . Terms of what the unior doctors are demanding . Demanding . These four days of strikes will demanding . These four days of strikes will hit demanding . These four days of strikes will hit the demanding . These four days of strikes will hit the nhs demanding . These four days of strikes will hit the nhs so i demanding . These four days of| strikes will hit the nhs so hard, demanding . These four days of strikes will hit the nhs so hard, we cannot serve accident and emergency or maternity, wittiness will go up and to say that this is to benefit patients is ridiculous. It is a huge amount of money. Health has done well in terms of budget compared to other departments as has secondary care and health and social and with Covid Recovery and surgical herbs and new diagnostic centres there has been a huge investment. Money can easily be found and this is just not right. Ihla easily be found and this is ust not riuht. ,. , easily be found and this is ust not ri. Ht,. ,. , easily be found and this is ust not riuht. ,. , right. No one is suggesting it will be found easily right. No one is suggesting it will be found easily but right. No one is suggesting it will be found easily but how right. No one is suggesting it will be found easily but how is right. No one is suggesting it will be found easily but how is it i be found easily but how is it fair thatJunior Doctors have had below Inflation Pay rises for a decade and a half . , , Inflation Pay rises for a decade and ahalf . , ,. ,. , a half . Undoubtedly doctors should have a a a half . Undoubtedly doctors should have a pay rise a half . Undoubtedly doctors should have a pay rise and a half . Undoubtedly doctors should have a pay rise and almost a half . Undoubtedly doctors should| have a pay rise and almost everyone in this country is looking at a pay rise but not everyone is going in with a four day strike over a bank holiday weekends. This is incredibly aggressive and will hit patients very hard. Aggressive and will hit patients ve hard. � aggressive and will hit patients ve hard. , very hard. And potentially the government very hard. And potentially the government is very hard. And potentially the government is pouring very hard. And potentially the government is pouring petrol| very hard. And potentially the i government is pouring petrol on very hard. And potentially the government is pouring petrol on that demanding that the bma abandon their opening gambit . I do demanding that the bma abandon their opening gambit . Opening gambit . I do not think that is riaht, opening gambit . I do not think that is right. There opening gambit . I do not think that is right, there is opening gambit . I do not think that is right, there is a opening gambit . I do not think that is right, there is a vote opening gambit . I do not think that is right, there is a vote on opening gambit . I do not think that is right, there is a vote on friday i is right, there is a vote on friday with the Royal College of nurses and unison to agree terms of negotiations that have already been settled. The government has a record of coming to the table. The government of coming to the table. The government did of coming to the table. The government did not of coming to the table. The government did not am not make the demand of the nursing union, they did not say to them abandon your 19 claim and then we will sit down. So whyJunior Doctors . It is not a, it is nota, i it is not a, i dont think acceptable for anyone, i dont know anyone who thinks that claim is a reasonable one. It is anyone who thinks that claim is a reasonable one. Reasonable one. It is an opening ambit reasonable one. It is an opening gambit isnt reasonable one. It is an opening gambit isnt it . Reasonable one. It is an opening gambit isnt it . I, reasonable one. It is an opening gambit isnt it . I, i do reasonable one. It is an opening gambit isnt it . I, i do not i reasonable one. It is an opening gambit isnt it . I, i do not know| gambit isnt it . I, i do not know the inside gambit isnt it . I, i do not know the inside story, gambit isnt it . I, i do not know the inside story, their gambit isnt it . I, i do not know the inside story, their exact i the inside story, their exact negotiation, what i can see is doctors who have very good pensions to look forward to, a lot ofjob security and compared to the rest of the Public Sector very high wages find, behaving like a trade union and not Like Health Care leaders which is what they should be. Arent There Smarter which is what they should be. Arent There Smarter ways which is what they should be. Arent There Smarter ways of which is what they should be. Arent There Smarter ways of negotiating. Which is what they should be. Arent There Smarter ways of negotiating as opposed to stonewalling and saying drop your demand or else we wont talk to you . Talk to you . Think there are definitely talk to you . Think there are definitely better talk to you . Think there are definitely better way, i i talk to you . Think there are | definitely better way, i think talk to you . Think there are i definitely better way, i think the whole thing is heartbreaking, when think of all the work that has gone in to put the nhs back on its feet and seeing it wreckled by the strike, it makes me feel very sad indeed. It will put back the whole Health Care System for months and write off a whole years work. I would call on the doctors to think again. Would call on the doctors to think aaain. ~. Would call on the doctors to think aain. ,. , would call on the doctors to think aiain,~. ,. , would call on the doctors to think aain. ~. Would call on the doctors to think aiain. ,. ,. , again. What about the government to think again . Again. What about the government to think again . Yes, i again. What about the government to think again . Yes, i am again. What about the government to think again . Yes, i am impatient i again. What about the government to think again . Yes, i am impatient for. Think again . Yes, i am impatient for the government think again . Yes, i am impatient for the government to think again . Yes, i am impatient for the government to do think again . Yes, i am impatient for the government to do its think again . Yes, i am impatient for the government to do its best, i think again . Yes, i am impatient for the government to do its best, it i the government to do its best, it has been in a difficult position, but i would remind you that these negotiations have implications for every Public Sector worker, there are consequentials for giving pay rises to doctors that touch on almost everyone who works in the Public Sector, so they cant move lightly on these matter, what must happen is for the focus to be on patients and to get those operations done, you rightly pointed out that 250, 300,000 operations that will missed just in this week, that is something the country cannot afford. Let me bring in a doctorfrom the Confederation Which represented hospital trust, Confederation Which represented hospitaltrust, i Confederation Which represented hospital trust, i want to ask your assess of today, how the trusts have been able to operate with those covering. Been able to operate with those coverin. A. ,, been able to operate with those coverini. A. ,, been able to operate with those coverini. A , covering. Across the country nhs leaders have covering. Across the country nhs leaders have been covering. Across the country nhs leaders have been working i covering. Across the country nhs i leaders have been working incredibly hard for leaders have been working incredibly hard for weeks to try to bring in the mitigations, to keep things as safe as the mitigations, to keep things as safe as possible for patients which is why safe as possible for patients which is why we safe as possible for patients which is why we have seen things like the elective is why we have seen things like the elective surgeries are and appointments having to be cancelled to make appointments having to be cancelled to make that possible, and we have iot to make that possible, and we have got consultants, we specialist doctor. Got consultants, we specialist doctor, pharmacist, nurses covering at the doctor, pharmacist, nurses covering at the moment, forjune your doctors and from at the moment, forjune your doctors and from what we hear from members today, and from what we hear from members today, it and from what we hear from members today, it has and from what we hear from members today, it has gone fairly well, but it has today, it has gone fairly well, but it has been today, it has gone fairly well, but it has been very, very challenging to achieve it has been very, very challenging to achieve that coverage, particularly in places where locum cover particularly in places where locum cover are particularly in places where locum cover are artist pates in the industrial cover are artist pates in the Industrial Action, cover are artist pates in the industrialaction, so cover are artist pates in the Industrial Action, so while they are ust Industrial Action, so while they are just about Industrial Action, so while they are just about covering, it could be the case that just about covering, it could be the case that somebody goes off sick, and then case that somebody goes off sick, and then they are in real difficulty, it is absolutely on a knife edge right now. Difficulty, it is absolutely on a knifeedge right now. Knifeedge right now. On a knifeedge . Knifeedge right now. On a knifeedge . Do knifeedge right now. On a knifeedge . Do you knifeedge right now. On a knifeedge . Do you mean | knife edge right now. m a knife edge . Do you mean Patient Safety is on the line . As the days go by . . Many safety is on the line . As the days go by . . Many members say safety is on the line . As the days go by . . Many members say they are worried about Patient Safety and what the implications are going to be, they may have sorted out adequate cover for today but they are not sure what to expect tomorrow, and the next day and the day after that. So, certainly this is a huge challenge to keep everything cover odd, keep everything cover odd, keep everything safe and members are saying they are worried are. Doctors runs wick you have chosen this week for 96 continuous hour, the weekend after the bank holiday, many staff are on leave for ramadan, easter, thatis are on leave for ramadan, easter, that is cynical at at best and dangerous at worst, surely . It is certainly not dangerous at worst, surely . It is certainly not cynical, dangerous at worst, surely . It 3 certainly not cynical, it is the dates we coiled call earliest after negotiations completely failed and broke down after the, after our last round of action and the wednesday negotiations that Steve Barclay walked out of without an offer. Layla is right. Dr mckay is right that trusts and many management teams have been working very hard to ensure safe working, we have got a very strong joint Working Relationship with nhs england, a procedure, both for major incidents i have received calls about a coach crash on the m4. We have agreed a derogation in somerset, so i am really confident that our attitudes towards safety of Health Care Leaders as lord bethel describe, and as well as being trade unionist, Being A Trade Unionist is not in conflict with our commitment to Patient Safety. Let conflict with our commitment to Patient Safety conflict with our commitment to Patient Safety. Let me ask you dr runs wick how Patient Safety. Let me ask you dr runs wick how long Patient Safety. Let me ask you dr runs wick how long do Patient Safety. Let me ask you dr runs wick how long do you i Patient Safety. Let me ask you dr runs wick how long do you think| Patient Safety. Let me ask you dr runs wick how long do you think your members are, have the appetite for continuing this Strike Action if there is no movement from the government. There is no movement from the government there is no movement from the government. ,. ,. , , government. They gave us a 9896 yes vote, on government. They gave us a 9896 yes vote. On the government. They gave us a 9896 yes vote, on the back of government. They gave us a 9896 yes vote, on the back of the government. They gave us a 9896 yes vote, on the back of the largest vote, on the back of the largest turn out in history since the Trade Union Act came in in 2016. I think my members are telling the us loud and clear we need pay restoration, we need to first the Workforce Crisis so we can get care back to the state patients deserve. Thank ou ve the state patients deserve. Thank you very much the state patients deserve. Thank you very much. Much. The state patients deserve. Thank you very much. Much. Thank the state patients deserve. Thank you very much. Much. Thank you | the state patients deserve. Thank i you very much. Much. Thank you for talking to the audience. Thank you for talking to the audience. What can the visit of us President Joe Biden to belfast do for peace in Northern Ireland and to help restore the government there . Amidst a huge security operation, the president arrived just over an hour ago to mark the 25th Anniversary of the good friday Peace Agreement and well talk to nick in belfast about that in a moment. First, for those born after the agreement was signed, it was hoped their lives would be free of brutal sectarian conflict that scarred the generations before them. Radio1 newsbeat� s politics reporter jordan kenny was born in 1998 and has been talking to other young people about what it means to be a peace baby in a place still grappling with its past, and what the future of this still divided nation could hold. Tramore� s a town in county down in Northern Ireland, of about 6,000 people. Its roughly 20 minutes outside belfast and its where i grew up and went to school. I was born in 1998, the year the Good Friday Agreement was signed here in Northern Ireland. It means i grew up after the troubles ended and didnt have to worry as much as maybe my parents did, for example, about getting caught up in the conflict that was happening here. Me and others like me who were born after it was signed are known as peace babies, and im keen to find out where they think Northern Ireland could be in the next 25 years. Just across the way is my old school, tramore high. I left here in 2017, but im heading back to meet with some of the pupils who are today sitting in the classrooms i used to be in. The five of us all born in Northern Ireland after the Good Friday Agreement was signed. Big cheerfor the peace babies . Is that something you think about a lot, like, what does that mean to you . I feel like for our generation it doesnt mean much, because we are very ignorant to the pain and the suffering that our parents and grandparents went through. As a generation we will never understand that. When i say the term the troubles, what do you think of straightaway . David . Derry girls. You a big fan . Big fan. Even just like army getting aboard the bus and them acting like it is a normal thing. Like we never worry about violence, you know, we dont get on a school bus and fear for our lives like people did. I think were very separate from it and it feels like ages ago for us. Is that something you think still exists, that you would feel afraid to say whether youre a catholic or protestant in certain areas, carys . Yeah, ive heard of like friends of mine have been certain places and they have said they are maybe catholic when they were protestant or protestant when they are catholic, because they were, like, they felt they would be under threat if they said that they were protestant or a catholic, just because of the people and the environment they were in. I think that its all about appreciating someone else is different from you, and knowing their ideas and their ideals may be different than you, but that doesnt mean you cant be friends with them, that doesnt mean you cant work beside them, that doesnt mean you cant train beside them, because the reality of Northern Ireland is everywhere you go, you are going to be with someone whos a different religion than you, who has different ideas from you and you have to accept and move on from. So, moments after the Good Friday Agreement was signed in 1998, kerry was born. She is now 25 too. But she has grown up in the shadow of it her whole life, and she has a bit of a personal connection to it as well. Shes from lisburn originally, which is about ten minutes outside of tramore, where we were, but she now lives in dublin, so were on our way down to go and meet her. Kerry, what we going through here . So these are all from 1998, around say april 10th to april 12th, where my parents did some interviews for the newspapers. So this one is the sunday world and the headline is my hope and its a picture of you. Yeah. And the first sentence of the article is this is our hope for the future literally. So my middle name is hope. Kerry hope sarah patterson. My parents named me this, i guess for them it meant hope for the future generations of Northern Ireland. And that hope that they had, do you think what they were hoping for has happened . I think for the most part it has, you know, the violence has ended for the most part and the communities are a lot more integrated than they were. You know, i think they would still like to see more progress in terms of the government and getting stormont back up and running, but theyre really proud of how ive been able to have such a happy and healthy childhood and thats been echoed throughout Northern Ireland for my generation. Kerry seems pretty optimistic about the future. It seems that hope that her parents had 25 years ago is still something that she has today. And just ten minutes drive from here actually is the relatives of one of those people responsible for giving them that hope. We in the sdlp concluded many years ago that we couldnt lay the basis for agreement against a background of violence or disorder. Ollie, explain to me who your grandad is. Well, my grandad isjohn hume. He was a politician in Northern Ireland. He worked during the troubles and he worked during the Peace Process and on the Good Friday Agreement. And he should have helped to bring the two sides together. Well, i guess how i knew him, he was always in the house yeah, hed come in, hed be in his armchair, and hed be full and straight asleep watching the tv. And if you go to change the channel, hed be like, i was watching that and i didnt think i really realised because i was quite young, i dont think i really realised how important he really was to the country until he died. And he was on the news for like five days straight. I was like, oh my god. Like i had no idea because hes reallyjust granddad. How do you feel about what your granddad did 25 years ago . I honestly think its pretty good because id be in school and id be likejust like in history or whatever. And he would be like, wed be looking through the textbooks and itd just be like photographs of him and like, talking about him. And its like, wow. Like he really did something important. Whats the legacy like for you . Ollie . Some of my friends were over here the other day and they saw like the photo with bill clinton and the nobel prize and they think its crazy. I remember some of them were sending photos of it to their parents petrol bombs thrown, and a bus was set on fire. The police said paramilitary organisations were likely to have been involved. Its a different picture to where we are now, the Lyric Theatre across the city, where ive come to meet some young actors rehearsing for their next big production. Aaron, youre telling me youre from like the shankill area, ballysillan, thats an area that i suppose is quite famous. People would have heard of it and itd be kind of known for being like a unionist, loyalist area. Well, tell me a bit about what its like growing up there . Growing up, i was always quite insulated from like the sort of conflict, i guess, like my parents kind of kept it out. Like i didnt really even know catholics were a thing until i was about ten. And i remember my dad trying to explain it to me and just not having a clue what he was talking about. But growing up there, i mean, its pretty much just the same as growing up everywhere else. I mean, those areas are quite underfunded or deprived in some areas. I think theyve been left behind a bit in some of the regeneration thats gone on, post Good Friday Agreement. Would you describe peace as fragile in, you know, maybe the area that you grew up in . I think so. I think especially the last couple of years and especially, i think post brexit has sort of stirred the pot an awful lot. I dont know if it was a couple of months ago or a year ago, i cant remember, there was all that trouble in lanark way and there was a bus stolen and everything else. And i remember being there that night, and the riot or whatever you want to call it, there was the old boys at the back sending the young lads at the front forward, do you know what i mean . So i think especially over the last couple of years, i think theres a perception among a lot of people in sort of the areas im from that the peace hasnt necessarily benefited them. Weve come to londonderry or derry, Northern Irelands second city, with a population of about 110,000 people. Were on peace bridge right now, and peace is something weve talked a lot about, but im keen to hear what other issues are on young peoples minds here. Our first stop is the guildhall to meet bethany, who works for a Womens Organisation and also supports those going through abortions. Its really hard for me to approach the 25th Anniversary with a celebratory tone. We have to look at Proper Health care institutions. We also have the worst nhs Waiting Lists across the uk. We need to look at the Mental Health crisis here. Weve lost more lives to suicide than we did in the troubles, and we need to look at, you know, diversity, the change in demographics. Ending violence against women and girls, championing relationship and sex education, doing that work on the ground to make sure that everyone here can not only survive but thrive and live healthy, fulfilled lives. I mean, surely thats what peace is all about. The final person im meeting on my tour of derry is student elliejo, at one of the citys newest tourist hotspots. Northern irelands been without an executive now for over a year. Its not the first time this has happened. What impact does that have on you and your friends and other young people . You know, im only 18 years of age. I actually dont really know a functioning stormont. We only had it there for about two or three years before it actually broke down once again. I think when i actually look at my study in politics, what Political Leadership have i seen . What actual politics have i seen . And its all been very disappointing. Like, i actually dont understand. Yesterday, familiar scenes as violence reared its head again in derry. People taking part in an illegal republican parade threw petrol bombs at a police van. Tensions are flaring up again on both sides. But for the young people ive been talking to, though, theres still positivity around their future and what the next 25 years could hold. Jordan kenny. Live to belfast now, and nick is there. Joe biden arrived in the last hour or so. How big a deal as his visit . It was a re how big a deal as his visit . It was a pretty low key how big a deal as his visit . It was a pretty low key start how big a deal as his visit . It was a pretty low key start to how big a deal as his visit . It was a pretty low key start to what how big a deal as his visit . It was a pretty lowkey start to what is i a pretty low key start to what is expected to be a low key visit. There was no precedent walking off the steps, he came down the lower deck and you could barely see him greeting rishi sunak on the tarmac. They may have had a lot to do with the dreadful weather we had today in belfast but it was symbolic of low expectations of this visit. Why are they low, one simple reason is there is no Power Sharing Executive at stormont. That means there will be no big Plenary Session between the president and the five main parties here in the Northern Ireland assembly tomorrow, he will meet the individual leaders but make them one on one after he speaks at a different location so this president is treading very carefully because the dup, it is up to them to decide if they go back into Power Sharing and they regard him as overly sympathetic to nationalists. While there is some hope in the government that the dup will go back in, they were encouraged Byjeffrey Donaldson the other day, Chris Heaton Harris said at the weekend he thinks that a deal can be done but this party is divided so no one is making any assumptions about what they might do. Why do some teenagers stop eating . So suddenly and drastically that they are admitted to hospital within months . Anorexia is a Mental Illness still misunderstood described by some as a condition that affects silly girls who go to private school. Journalist and writer Hadley Freeman stopped eating aged 16 in the 19905 and shes written a book good girls a story and study of anorexia. Shes been talking to me about what led to her developing the illness. So i was sitting in pe and i looked at my legs and i looked at the legs of the girl next to me and she was very, very tiny. And i said to her, without really thinking about it, is it hard to buy clothes when youre that small . And she said, yes, i wish i was normal like you. And of course, she didnt mean anything bad about that, but for me, itjust immediately meant not special, nothing, average. And ijust went barrelling down some dark hole inside of myself. And i basically stopped eating that day, and within three months, i was in hospital. And you describe in the book that essentially there was a bomb inside of you and it could have been anything . Yes. This is why i dont have much interest in things like triggers and Trigger Warnings, because the trigger is, like i said, just not relevant, if someone is building up to that expression of unhappiness, anything will trigger them. You know, there were other things that i also felt were setting me off. There was a moment when i was just starting to stop eating and i was watching when Harry Met Sally and theres a moment in that when harry says to sally about his ex wife, did you see her legs . I think shes retaining water. And to me, i immediately thought, oh, legs, got to make sure those are skinny and also, oh, waters fattening. So in that sense, when Harry Met Sally, you have a Trigger Warning on it. Its not the obvious things that can trigger somebody. It can be something incredibly innocuous, like when Harry Met Sally. Can you describe for our audience the kind of effects anorexia had on your body . It was horrific. And this is why, partly why i wanted to write the book, to tell girls that anorexia is not about sort of wasting away palely in some kind of emily bronte way. For me, it gave me osteoporosis. Almost all my hair fell out, and it hasnt grown back properly since. For girls in the hospital who i was with who were throwing up, you know, their teeth rotted out. Other girls were using laxatives and that had a horrific effect on the insides of their bodies. You know, anorexia makes you behave in really quite disgusting ways. And there were ways that we all behaved in hospital to get out of eating that were disgusting. You know, girls were hiding bags of vomit under their bed. They were spitting food up their sleeves, Smearing Butter under the table. Its not some kind of romantic disease. Its a horrible disease. And it will destroy you. What kind of treatment did you receive in the 19905 . The what kind of treatment did you receive in the 1990s . The theory was the should receive in the 1990s . The theory was they should be receive in the 1990s . The theory was they should be punishment receive in the 1990s . The theory was they should be punishment and receive in the 1990s . The theory was i they should be punishment and reward so you were given a privilege such as being allowed out of bad and if you lost weight you would lose the privileges. Some of the care you received was brutal. Oh, yeah. In that you were threatened or you were shouted at. A nurse would be up to your face shouting at you, threatening that they would force feed you . Yeah. 0r there was one nurse in another hospital who used to, when we would be fighting and saying we didnt want to eat, she would wrap her arm around you, hold your arms down and just literally force you to eat. And theres one time when i was having a seizure at the table and she was about to start doing that to me because she thought i was faking to get out of eating, and fortunately another nurse intervened. I dont want to be damning all the nurses. It wasnt entirely like one flew over the cuckoos nest, but there was a lot of brutality and a lot of shouting. And in this period you managed to do gcse in a short period of time. You managed to do a levels, you managed to gain a place at oxford. How . By luck, really. I was very lucky. My parents were able to pay for me to go to a Grammar School which let you do gcses back then in three months