defending champions. france who ended england's world cup hopes a school early, the english on their backs, these levy, as you ro, gave, decided to one lead with a header and england strike a hurricane at a chance to level masses. it to all that in the mail topic was that i'll bait stadium with french 3 of old dr. barton walk toggled still very much on his broadsoft or white stated problems are really a good job of this guy. early on is a good resource. i work for a all right. i was all the hall breaker. a part of this call with ukrainian president vladimir lensky says, russian forces have destroyed the eastern city of buck. morse fighting has reported the intensified around the city and the finance region after ukrainian forces recaptured classes nearly a month ago. devise to this is a nobel peace prize. winners have been given at their prestigious awards the prize went to alice viet, billy at the earliest sky. the jails rel russian, that human rights are. advocates and the other recipients were to human rights organizations from russia and ukraine. oh, purchase. the continuing across, grew even as the new leader dina, bali was a, has sworn in her cabinet, police out in force as though supporting the predecessor edrick astir, continued demanding his release, his dear was impeached and arrested on wednesday. although the headlines i'll be back with more after the nobel interview, 2022. we understand the differences and similarities of cultures across the world. so no matter where you call hand out, you sarah, will bring you the news and current affairs that mattie out of here ah, military targets in residential areas fall $190000.00 soldiers on the millions forced underground or out of the country. when russia invaded ukraine in february, many thought it would be over quickly with major cities falling in. while they hadn't record dawn was the determination of ukrainian people to fight for their civil society was quickly mobilized to defend the country. while in russia, it came under a turk situation, all too familiar to pro democracy activists in bella roofs. ah, this is nobel peace prize recognizes the significance of civil society for police and democracy. go into human rights activists from the 3 neighboring countries. the center for civil liberties organizations set up to fight corruption and promote democracy in ukraine, which now finds itself documenting war crimes. memorial established to ensure the victims of soviet oppression and never forgotten. alice b, ali artsy, jailed for daring to oppose dictatorship in brothers from countries on different sides of the war in ukraine, but united in their work with democracy and peace. ah hello and welcome to the old l interview and al jazeera special live from oslo. i'm james base and i'm fully bad t bowl just a few hours ago right here at oslo city hall. the 2022 nobel peace prize was received by yan rodzinski from memory are all examples. matt richard from ukraine center for civil liberties, and natalia pincher. the wife of jail, bella was he and human rights activists. alice bailey at school, will be speaking to all 3 of them about the importance of civil society at a time of war and the challenges and dangers facing activists as they go about their jobs. and we will also be speaking to 2 very special guest who's all lies, have been impacted by the crackdowns on the fight for democracy and human rights. now some of our audience members here in oslo will have the opportunity to ask questions and you too can be part of the conversation, connect with us using the hash tag a j nobel. congratulations. thank you so much for joining us here in oslo city hall for this interview. thank you so much. thank you, alex, sandra, matthew, chuck from the ukraine center for civil liberties. let me start with you. as a human wide defender, do you feel now? i new sense of responsibility with this peace prize, and is this a vindication for the ukrainian people? exactly. this number, the best price as the recognition on the efforts of the whole ukrainian nation who bravely struggle for freedom and for our democratic choice. and this is a huge responsibility because this is a number of pest pros during the war and you're in the very belie devora. before for decades the voice of humor, as defenders from our region wasn't heard. so it's provide us as a unique opportunity. john rosin ski from memorial. you were in court. i believe when you found out that you had won this award fighting to keep hold of your organization's headquarters. what does this award mean for an organization that's now banned in russia? louisiana albin addition is known to band that there are due to organizations the international memorial and also the human rights cent memory. als will have been disbanded and band, but we have an association of independent organization to do so. we used to have hundreds of thousands of people in mobile comprised of those to day. there are tens of thousands, but there are still lots of people who are doing this work. so our could you it is i'm on band at night natalia pinch, hook your sitting to day in a seat where your husband added severely. abaski should have been sitting, receiving the nobel peace prize on his behalf. alice barely ask. he has been in prison. of course, for the past 17 months cut off from the outside world. i want to know 1st, i guess what his reaction was when he heard the news that he had received the nobel peace prize. and what do you think this will due to his situation, even though the thought his reaction legitimately wish it was quite unexpected. o'neill dollars has got on that. and that can you remind me thought we had only one hour to communicate from kelly was at the same time or whether it would help us or not for for festival and italian. i believe for jasmine, we should talk not only about a less, but about all political prisoners in bella rows. and this rise is of utmost importance because the world has heard about the blues in tragedy. thousands of people who are behind bars beverly in terrible conditions. so this price gives us hope the bachelor natalia. thank you. what i want to bring in someone who knows a great deal about the challenges facing the opposition in belarus, and that is svetlana taken off sky air, who fought against president lucas shanker. in that disputed 2020 election. you stood because your husband wasn't allowed to stand and he was thrown into jail at the time, you are now seen by the european union as the leader of a free baller. bruce, what does this award to day? what does it mean for the protest movement? what does it mean for the political prisoners, including your own husband? so 1st of all, i had to remind the war that location is not the president of barrows hill last elections and trust of people are back in 2020. but i know the price a what it is, no, just a word for a lease. it's air recognition of all the efforts that there are some people have made in order to now fight for treat democratic independence. a beatrice where human rights are respected, but it also a remind for there are some people that they are not forgotten and they're not abandoned. i'm one of those is your own husband. what's your role as the leader of the opposition? how do you think that's impacted his treatment in jail? ah, the have to resolve political prisoners. my husband elise is, are one of them. and i have to say that political prisoners in the bureaus are treated much, much worse than ordinary criminals. they are under constant pressure of administration of jails. they are actually to the physical and morally, they are being tortured every day. you know, they're put in punishment cells, they are deprived or for normal food, for fresh air and so on and so forth. and actually we have a lot of women in jails. it's now, you know, it's our elect pin, but i think that's her with assistance off the whole democratic world are with her, create a multiple points of pressure on the regime. we will be able to get rid of the dictatorship in our country and of course it will release of or for our people from prisons. svetlana took an off sky. thank you for talking to us, alexandra magic, the organization, the ukraine center for civil liberties wasn't set up to document war crimes in the 1st place. your team has been investigating. are these war crimes since 2014. how disturbing has this experience been for you? especially now in the current conflict in ukraine. what have you uncovered when we started our documentation in 2014, we focused on the practice. so for lego induction, torture, sexual violence, and killing civilians. because russia use a tactics a turn against people on the occupied territories in order to save their control. and we sent numerous reports to you and to see council of europe. and nothing's told that this horror still continue. and after low skill invasion, we faced with on presidential level of human fe or you investigating crimes by both sides in the conflict because the international human organization. amnesty international was criticized earlier this year for saying that ukrainian forces were possibly also endangering civilians by launching strikes from civilian areas. are you looking at both sides in the conflict? we obviously document all human rights violations, regardless of the sides. about vast majority. cases in our database is crimes committed by russian troops. it's because russia users were crimes and the method. so for fear and russia needed in many countries of their world log in, we'll dover in georgia in chechnya, in cedar, in my lee in the beer and others. right? yan, let me come to you. they are persistent reports that people have been forcibly moved into russia, including large numbers of children, so civilians as targets in, in new ways far beyond physical violence. what have you, a been able to investigate about this specific issue that was reported, or discreet settlement attitude, uncontrolled movement and transfers of people, particularly children cannot answer for themselves. they're usually orphanage or children or from different hospitals. children who are being taken to russia without being asked and this is really forceful deportation transfers. it's harder to talk about the adults because this is not a direct violence, but they're given no choice when people don't really have any choice because they being sheldon, they being told that there is no choice whether to go to ukraine or whether to go to russia they are just taken to russia and then many of them have to spend a lot of time and a lot of effort in order to go back home. and here i must say that for me it came as a surprise that rush and civil society. so who would, in fact, self organize? it wasn't just some existing organizations, new organizations and being fair job. it so basically its compassion. so there are volunteer networks, schools bringing articles or gree between themselves how they can help. and we'll go to the give individuals families. and in fact, there are lots of cases where people get really very serious support. without it, it would be very difficult, particularly people disabled people who are being helped to move back to grand from russia. right? natalia pincher, present, alexander luther shanker, vellerilla finds himself to day heavily dependent on the kremlin and has been forced into a supporting role for this russian invasion of ukraine. but do people in the levels support this war madness? another koreans case, the 3rd, 3rd, personal discreation in ukraine. well, the right different attitude, sir, or is lucas frank. and he is entourage and there is belittle from people. and of course, opinion was in the research that some of those positions are quite different than the levels it is quite different from the situation in russia. but the reason people don't support that, aggression in lots of course and put didn't, has a lot of influence on lucas franklin and lucas shanker. of is the, had the he is doing with the sales everything to just carson t for when the union with russia. but he understands that an open war with ukraine will lead to his collapse natalia. thank you. we have a large audience with us in oslo city hall that a listening to our conversation. let's take a question from one of them, peter or his brought an obsolete peter your question please. ah, the lobby, it's. my question is, what can the young people in norway and in other european countries do to help you crane in ongoing war? we are a lot about weapons, aid and emergency aids, which we are now feeling in increasing sense of hopelessness. so what can be done to contribute, pollock sondra, if you maybe can take that question. i must admit that ordinary people have much more in that they even believe. and most mobile is ation of common people around the world can change the world history quicker than the human intervention. so there are hundreds of methods how to be useful. you can cold the worth of war, you can gather the nation. you can organize rallies to our government to provide more assistance to crate. you can make a choice to pay more for guess, but don't buy the russian one because freedom is worth it. so you have a choice to be known, indifferent to the other people in this situation because philadelphia to have no limits in national borders. yan, how are you, how his memory are able to operate today with you know, with, with the limited resources and the limited movement that it has. oh, well let's go cursing officially because you're in the right thing. we haven't been with those and we haven't been presented with any charges. we just continue doing what we have done because other organizations have not been banned for the life. and so they continue gathering information on terror. answer questions. so many young people come to us who want to know what has happened to their great grandfather's great grandmother's thought. and also this is what people come to us who want to deal with today's problems. ah, young people, raphael need to find something to do. and that they wouldn't be ashamed of doing hmos. and so because there may be a question, what did you do during this terrible war? and then they could say that both of them i was working with memorial for me. i was involved in documenting the crimes of the past and the crimes of the present them. so the work continues. we asked a politician from the governing, united right, russia party, his reaction to memorial getting this year's nobel peace prize. my thoughts are good, a solution that you this is a personal matter of the peace prize in a memorial organization. once you print and there is nothing special to comment on it as for the principle of the peace prize, you, frankly speaking jason, this is propaganda structure. part of information was the meal of the americans. the british have always had very strong position in formation warner. this is their thought and they use this advantage. this is purely provo gondo formation campaign, from nothing more valuable. yon he's playing down the importance of your award, but this is the 2nd no bell priest prize to go to an individual or organization from russia. some people see this as a rebuke to putin. it must worry the kremlin surely. camera. i'm not sure to what extent it worries this along with the gramlin. but the man we've just heard should really try and recall the history of nobel prizes in russia. it was passed and arg soccer associates and show him support who were all out cas would, in fact, those who were at the urging them or not remembered any more, and those who were being purged the out cassandra, to the whole world. so the president also, it is the regime i, marauding, when they're using those names for their propaganda. they're held, their soldier needs and year, the soccer up here. and the present events, in fact, would be commented up on both of them in a very unequivocal away. so i think that was dena premium there. oh, warding this price is a good sign for civil society in russia. it's not just our prize, it is the price for all russian activity hall fighting the dark times that are descending on russia. and i'm hoping, and i am confident that even in the future with those who are talking, speaking against the nobel prize again to be shamed. alexandra in recent hours, we had some new comments that have come from president putin. he says, one way or another, all participants in the process. the conflict have to agree over the realities on the ground. a suggestion perhaps, that there could be a space for negotiations. so as things stand now, should president zalinski seek peace negotiations with putin? what in don't want negotiation? what in a will stop only when he will be stopped and what he call an invitation and some political compromise. it's means as a life of our people. because when we send mobile groups to release to butcher a mockery of my vision for israel, of a found dead civilians by the escalade scattered around the streets until liberation, we found civilian dead bodies in the garden of their own household. it's not peace . so its occupation and we have the name there thinks what they are. so ukraine will never compromise with life of our people. natalia pinch, oak, president putin has repeatedly said he doesn't believe ukraine is a real country. do you think he also considers bellows to effectively b, a russian province and nursing? it was indeed larosa. yes, yes sir. still an independent country. only because sir, well, yet from her pockets to put em. bella ross has representatives in international organizations and in those organizations for bell rural, such as always will support russia. and that's the only reason why bella grocery remains independent. just a formal independence, there will be mold that her russian troops are present in bella. rue said, what do you say others in civil society who were appalled by the repression, but at the same time in fear of being imprisoned or even worse yet. so in dollars it's virtually quite difficult, so to speak up to in miss express with marcia one's own thoughts. so to her, over the 2nd year we saw back in 2021 is thought that people wear brutally beaten as the whole. and we remember the young that chrysler, and not when they were brutal abuse. sterling elsa that the by police, by the police forces on solicit living. and bertha writes as that, as all those things haven't under those beatings and abuses that are still going on . but they are going on in some prison where those people can't be heard. no one can hear their cries. all right, i have another audience question. now this one is from clara. goes to my car, be standard and ask your question to yan regency. yes, my question. is at what point in your life for you, the most afraid and did you almost change your mind about your fight for peace and for justice? and if i may add, are you afraid to day of going back to moscow? no, thank you by you so. so i'm not afraid to go back to moscow little i've got a return ticket in my pocket. i smuggle so i don't understand why i should be afraid of going back to my own country. there are risks, but they're not as large. got as that was one can imagine. i think other people face greater risks. there's people sitting here in the auditorium, for instance, a j, a daughter of our colleague natalie's team leader is here present here. old people in the auditorium. i tell her was smothered from her activism and that was terrible . and i was never so afraid in villa as tul homeowner, i abandon my work. well, you talked about the daughter of natalia timmer over. she's here with us. lana is similar over please send up a we're going to be talking to her because she is has been directly impacted by the repression lanissa. moreover, i is natalia's daughter. she was, as you said, a prominent human rights activist who was kidnapped and killed in 2009 for bringing rush and war crimes in chechnya to light. she helped memorial document abuse in chechnya, lana, 1st of all, what does this award mean to you? and what would it have meant to your mother, natalia? um ah, 1st of all i am, i have a very strong feeling that i can shake off the term. although i am very honored to be in the presence of such distinguished guests. i shouldn't really be here. it's my mother who should be here. she should be receiving bill ward. she should be giving this interview. but alas, this is the reality, the toryn. um, that's why the news of this a war. it was on a very pleasant surprise and am for my mother. it would have meant the world because working in such a gruesome conditions in church now while trying to raise a daughter being a single mother um, living in a house with no electricity and running water. alexandra will relate to this. it's it's, it's full of challenges. but she, she just believed in the sense of mission and nothing could stop her, no threat could ever stop her. but every time she would get an international war, it every time should be recognized for what, what, what she did. she always use it as an opportunity to talk about what's happening in change and to remind the world about all the atrocities committed by the russian army on. that's why i am very proud that i am in a position to carry on her legacy in my own way. thank you very much, lana james over to you. let's get some final thoughts on alexandra. the 3 countries here have her this historic bond. how do you bring the people of those countries together at the end of the war? this number, this price was given to human rights defenders not to the congress. and this is a very important human story. makers, civil society and human rights defenders always built in visible ties and protect people in circumstances when the law doesn't work. and now we continue jointly to resist to common eval, which trade to dominate in our power to the world. and i couldn't predict what will be in the future, but i know for sure that we have to do our best in order to create future which we want. so yeah, and what would the region look like if there was no vladimir putin in power? how difference, what difference would things be? but well, it's very difficult to imagine the world without putting he has been powerful so long. let's hope that we'll see the day. and that world is going to be based on respect for international law and not on efforts of separate countries to destroy that international law. natalia finally, you, after everything we've heard, are you just a little hopeful there could be change? we ask for, do you assess the whole as belongs to your factual hope? that 1000000000 voice will be heard by the international community. i hope for those people in belgrade hope for this, and those are compatriots who live abroad also hope. thank you. natalia. thank you. so much for all of you for this fascinating discussion, congratulations on winning the nobel peace prize. and thanks all 3 of you for your bravery. thank you. thank you very much. oh, on the line. thank ah, ah. my mama prizing is then peter movement takes place in kenya. counting up a gas, the british demanding return of their lives, nearly declassified documents showing a light on presents colonial past. there is systematic torture, a reign of terror in these count major human rights abuse. how wish this happening, a very british way of to a chance i wanted or near to deny on al jazeera ah, ah ah, the you are is a with of impact the people around the world. people pay attention to what we thought here. and i'll just, he was very good at bringing the news to the world from here. oh, oh, well cut fast for africa and the air of wild morocco make history by reaching the semi finals defeating portugal. america will take on defending champions, france you overcame england to one to also make it to the fund. ah, hello there, i'm this tells you, hey, this is al jazeera life and also coming up for is new president unveils i cabin.