Are 7 children as well as teachers and security guards. Who hm. At val has more details now from moscow. With such a detail now that we have is that the shooter was wearing a noisy vest with noisy symbols, a vest with nasty symbols and a balaclava, or not. Much explanation has been given about that he has been described in the statement of this committee as a criminal or committed a criminal, madras act against innocent civilians and investigation is of course going on in the town of her or the city of is asking it more ciao, which is about a 1000 kilometers east of moscow. Its lee appears to be on course for its 1st far right, Prime Minister since the 2nd world war. A right Wing Coalition lead by a georgia, maloney is projected to take a majority of seats in parliament. The pound has fallen to a reco know against the us dollar for a government announcement on friday of the largest tax cuts in the u. K. In 50 years, it lost 5 percent of its value on monday. 11 and protests are taking place near the parliament where the Public Session is set to be held. And the countries budget, the next year that says the bank starts a partially reopen, of being shot for week. Due to security concerns. The head of Irans Nuclear agency says allegations his country has breached International Agreements of fabrications by israel hood, as lama was speaking at a meeting in vienna, iran nuclear deal. And as a j c p way is one of the main issues being discussed. At least 5 people have been killed in the philippines. Also type in north hit the north, causing widespread flooding. Thousands of people have fled and power is out in large parts of the country. The u. S. Has warned russia that using Nuclear Weapons and ukraine would have catastrophic consequences of foster rushes. Foreign minister, such regions annexed in separatists referendums in ukraine, would have moscows for protection votes of being held in for ukrainian regions occupied by russian forces. Those are the headlines. These continues here and ill just here thats after inside story. Ah, as germany reels from its worst Energy Crisis is chancellor tours gulf countries in search of alternative can they ensure secure energy, germany and europe. And how is gas shaping the politics of the region during the war in ukraine . This is inside store. Ah. Hello and welcome to the program. Im has am secret. German chancellor o left schultz is in the gulf hoping to secure new partnerships with oil and gas rich nations. He met liz of saudi arabia, the united arab emirates, and cut are hoping to agree on how to meet the Nations Energy needs since russias invasion of ukraine since the war you countries have had to cut back on energy and look for supplies elsewhere. Germanys economy is already on the verge of a recession, a mid soaring prices, and the prospect of a tough winter ahead. For 11, the buffer did. Weve made progress on a whole series of projects and now concerned the production of diesel gas. We have allen g projects that play a role here and of course also many things that have to do with modernization with projects. So this is very important for future economic cooperation. But of course, also for the transformation of National Economies that are moving towards climate neutrality. Now of course, very relevant for the issues of Energy Security in this context. It was an important business and a Good Opportunity to continue good relation to the legal for the you is facing a major shortage of energy before the war in ukraine. Russia supplied 40 percent of the blocks natural gas and more than a quarter of its imported oil. Germany is among the hardest hit countries previously importing. More than half of its gas from russia. France has access to other terminals and the u. K. Have no direct pipelines to russia. Combined, they consume less than 21 percent of moscow supplied energy. Ah, well lets bring in our guests now to talk more about this. Joining us by skype from berlin is all exploit now. Hes professor Political Science at Stanford University in berlin, also by skype from doha. My jobs away, re director of the golf studies center at carter university. And andrea se goes out is professor at the really brent school of public policy. He joins us from berlin as well. Good to have you with his gentleman or a bright net. So all of shorts is coming to the gulf, looking for these new energy deals. Why now . While it serves a number of purposes, its on the one hand, a signal to the german public, that the government is frantically trying Everything Possible to address the problems that we are facing before we into that can be long can be hard, but its definitely full of question marks, how hard we will be, its and what to do with it. So it tends to seek, know that hes collecting opportunity is to reduce the dependency from russia. It will certainly not lead to the one replacement of the dependency by another, but its a step in the direction off. On the one hand, he returns home with no contracts. And on the other hand, this is the beginning of a new Foreign Policy of germany and the European Union. And weve got that. How does this trip address . Germanys energy needs particularly would that with that rough winter approaching now . Well, thanks for having me. I guess what were looking at here is it is a tire rotation as only just said, i mean the europeans just lost essentially a 150000000000 cubic meters of gas a year. And thats a last thing last, russia is not going to come back anytime soon. A lot of l n g essentially came in to replace the molecules that have been lost from russia and cut tar has been playing in a role here. And now germany hopes to get us a sheer out of the expanding production in katara, notably the northfield, which comes on line around 252627. 00. And although this lies in the future, it will be important for germany and europe to secure part of that simply because the russian molecules are not going to come back. So a lot of what shoals is trying to do at the moment is forward looking. Policy is certainly not about the upcoming winter, and striking a deal for that. And my job is away. What are the gulf countries get out of this . The united arab emirates, saudi arabia and cuts are obviously, theyre going to get more business and they going to get so more energy. But beyond that, in terms of the, of the geo politics, what do they gain from this . You know, hasnt been very interesting debate going on now about whats happening between europe, jeremy or other countries and those states. The nature of the debate basically is but interesting because what those leaders without a bite or rob crawl or now the dream a basically is hearing from, from the capitals that to 2 kinds of debates. One says, you know, by the way, you know, your relation was developing with us and that sort of differences. And then the debates say, well come, future nations. I think this dominate the debate. Why im, why im focusing on this just a quick, a quick intro because i think this will for what shape than the kinds of relations we witness and will, will, will tell us who are the main countries of the goal, will be in involved. And this energy collaboration, what we are seeing now that there is more focus on gotten back to color because, but n g, what we are hearing from europe and americans that they are not getting a very clear message. That is the, the, the minimum i can describe a very clear message from a double w about the collaborative, the share of help. And that, that takes us to that live in which, whats happening in federal politics and how those countries are actually looking to their, to define their, all their role in near the future. Its, its obvious that any investment on any detector coming from the gulf needs the contribution of that targeted country this into the germany, the united states, france, all of them. They need to be in bold on a lot of preparations. And i think what the 3 countries are trying to deliver to the european knows what is your share, what will be your contribution . And you have to mean to keep in mind the message from those countries. You have to keep in mind that we have an old pots in those like china, like japan, and we kind of basically give up on those people. So you, we, you need to respect our relations with other partners, and you need to collaborate with us. So we can help you. Yeah. All right. Can, im, if i could send to you on some of that as far as germanys relations with these gulf nations. What, what, whats at stake for them with regard to the war in ukraine and the political implications of that mother warren, ukraine is seen as a watershed new situation into your politics. And we are waiting to see in what direction things are moving. So the situations in 2016 when the European Union didnt have direct relations with the called corporation council. Countries on a ministerial level to just wait, what is happening they and leave it to other International Players to have an influence in the call. As what has just been said, that the relationship with china is considered to be much closer than with the European Union. This is something that europe in union and germany has the biggest countries and you cannot afford to allow to stay in the like this in the future. So its not just about energy, its about security. Its about migration. Its about whats the situation in the balkans and in Northern Africa in which all these countries play an important role. And therefore at germany and the us reaching out to build a broader and more comprehensive approach in the relationship with the countries in the region. Angies got that, how does germanys Energy Situation compare with the rest of europe with this, with this winter approaching now and the need to kind of diversify their, their Energy Supplies . Is there a sense that germany kind of got in there 1st . Well look, i think its important to acknowledge that things have been improved quite a bit and quite fast. In fact, i mean, it is remarkable how quickly the rushing gas has been replaced by l. N. G imports. And on top of that, there have been a lot of ways in which a fuel switch happened from gas to other fuel tanks, including coal, but also oil when it comes to industrial production. And on top of that, youve got savings, industry demand this down, for instance, and were seeing the impact on households as well. So if you add that plus gas storage, which has been filled up to the maximum level by now, or at least according to target by now, this gives us a reassuring situation for or outlook for the winter at. But i think its also important to launch the fact that germany is part of a European Energy system is not only about german import european imports. And germany does not necessarily import the l n g. It import elegy through a belgium while the netherlands and wouldnt for those elegy in port terminals, the germans wouldnt have any gas. And so this, it is important to acknowledge that it is not only about one country. Its about an integrated system where storage plays a role not only for one country, but for various countries. And, and i think here the efforts of the european integration and particularly integration of the europe, unanimous market for last 25 years deaf and re paying off the magic wary the issue of human rights is Something Like that thats come up in, in this trip. Were not sure how much these discussions there were discussions about this. The took place between all of schultz and the, and the various leaders. But if you look at saudi arabia, in particular, the crown prince, me, how much been said, man, who was, you know, persona non grata up until the beginning of this year because of the, the murder of the saudi journalist jamal i shogi there a sense hes, hes hes sort of coming, coming in from the cold. Now that the, the reality of politics are set in now for many western nations. No doubt the politics has changed. I mean, this starts with, by then, and now its more still, most of the capitals. I think those capital, they felt the heat and one of the issues they cannot ignore the fact that they, they have to stop lecturing. People whether you agree or not. They were lecturing people about human rights. They were lecturing people about plan b s of governance. How about they failed . And the 1st, the crisis when it comes to the energy, i mean, you look, you look at what happened and decent. And since february, and you look at the panic, you has. This will create a lot of doubts about the plan, b s that youll use to lecture the world about them and governance, and then how to manage the crisis. I think also is applies to the human rights issue and how much they are. Actually. The author decisive and they are honest when it comes to this, not only actually human rights is one item. Look at the Energy Transition. In europe, you used to lecture the world about energy. Its transition and going to clean energy. However, when they feel the heat, they have to go to use the Nuclear Energy and then they stop and the activate the local euclid site. This is, this is a moral moral question. This crisis basically is raising a moral question about what the you use to lecture the word about and how much of the us and see it and how much they are actually fulfilling the commitments when it comes to human rights and defending the human rights. And actually trying to defend those who are oppressed, or dose, or suffer. I think these are another round of, of, of assessments to all of this values that you and the make. And they used to settle the people in that egypt all the person. And whats your take on that . So, i mean, critics will say that concerns about any concerns that germany would have about human rights in the gulf region would be put to one side now because of germanys energy needs. Well, its not as simple critical as it sounds, if the fundamental human rights violations, germany and the European Union will stand up and call them fundamental human rights violations. What i think is beneficial, not only in this dialogue that we have seen in the making sense, the start of the war in ukraine. But also what is happening before the world cup in kata in football is that theres a growing attention to what is actually happening in societies in the region. And so far, all you could read in the western media is they violate human rights and they are waste energy. And now we got to much more different say to picture and development. Like, whats the role of women in countries like saudi arabia needs to be evaluated more clearly and more closely. Its not about lecturing, if there are relations of human rights than those whose rights have been violated, should count on the European Union that they stand up and call it. This will be response to that. You shaking your head there im. Im insisting electric. Im electric because this is what was happening in the world was lecturing, but that about the human rights says the world cup was given to be organized here. But they are ignoring the fact that they supported germany to have the world cup when hitler was in power. And they ignored the fact that the city of business in paris were built by immigrants. And people who are still suffered because of illness and not 50000 people will die on 102050 big not all of this. They are selective dot lecturing. And they want the when they want, when they want energy, they will put human rights aside. And i know personally that they have the tools to do so they have the rule to change to playing the game. Sometimes the governments comments speak, ministers can come, the president can come out regardless whos the still important and then big of it to the media. And they say we are in free media for me to handle everything. If the, if the media can hold them accountable, they will go to the civil society. They play different cards, but they are not honest. And they are lecturing the world about something they know that they should be a fair and look at the suffering of other people and, and just go down. And if i could bring it the issue of energy and germanys energy needs back to this. I, jamie does plan to be Carbon Neutral by 2045 they. I made that very clear. How does this, these deals now . It with the gulf countries affect their plans there . Look, let me also actually, 1st of all, i have to ask the status. And im trying to sure whether or not how purposely really is one as described. And i would, i would also challenge the notion of, of different times and regimes being similar to the, to the present situation and actually comparable. But coming back to the, the german question and, and where they go with their energy tradition. And i think that has also a little bit into, into what my previous professor said about whether the germans and the europeans are, have critical. And when it comes to their Energy Transition, i dont think there actually is energy and the change of talk. What were seeing at the moment is, is very government and grew up trying to plug holes because of the social situation and ukraine war. But at the same time, there is massive investments going on that that accelerate the Energy Transition re power you plan, put forward 290000000000 just for renewables. The germans are investing to and a 1000000000 in industrial disorganization. There are plans to essentially turn the north sea into green power plants, and were talking about 100 gigawatts of, of capacity just by comparison. Thats 75 Nuclear Power plants of capacity. So what were looking at here is essentially an Energy Transition on steroids. If you will, and driven by fruit and an aggressive war, not necessarily by climate policy, thats the irony of it. So what im thinking and if we connect the dots here, and if we do the numbers, we might actually get well ahead of our 202035 targets when it comes to renewables and the compensation. And im absolutely convinced that that the goal of nets 0 by 45 will be kept no matter what over at brighton. Is it fair to say, you know, 67 months ago, left shot would, would not have been even considering a trip like this, that the, the kind of the durgin needs of, of supplying, supplying Germany Energy needs is, is, is, is what drove him to do this im not so sure about it because what he said at the beginning of the term of the new coalition is that germany will be a different country at the end of the term. And, but the answers pointed out is that the boring ukraine is a boost for the transition to turn the German Economy into forsythe free economy. And you need partners for this and its not just a replacement of Energy Source and it also comes with technology. So if germany as an export based economy can export solutions that matter in other parts of the world that come as an incentive to compare the different interests, then it makes perfect sense to reach out for countries that for example, a very rich with sunshine and not a very far away, and you can think of giant Pipeline Projects to produce Energy Resources that would make sense in different the compost energy mix in your own job. If we talk about the war in ukraine right now and where, where the middle east in countries, security, gulf countries stand on, that theyre having to, to kind of strike a balance here. And they, because of their ties with china and russia. I think its obvious that goes to states a try, trying to be balance on their position because at the end of the day, this what is happening in europe, however, that im, if a cation is getting to the capitol because there are no controlling 6. 00 to 5. 00 energy, whats oil and gas . And so basically they try to be balanced because they have ties with the west. Youre putting you, they have ties with china and they dont want to upset russia. Its obvious. And i think this kind of this balance its, its really tough a process because, you know, you know, that you and the west and, and then i to state are, are, are the chairman to basically put russia and the pressure. And the, i think the narrative from the gulf is very clear. We are trying to help to how to secure an energy to sources as part of our, a global responsibility. That is, that is, will put statements that, you know, go to state is, is helping on securing energy to sources contributing to Energy Sources to the society is, will, are suffering as a consequence. And this, you know, i think there is a consistency on some state on this, especially when it comes to countries. I thought they said, you know, we are helping those countries auto need and either and those countries they are want to buy our guys, we are ready to sell it however they need to contribute to Building Infrastructure and etc. So i think its very, its very clear that i tend to have to have a clear balance in a very tough time. And that, and the problem is the nature of the crisis is still is not clear where its moves and whether it will be escalated or there will be more actually of this. And it will be, it would have more impact on Energy Security in the global the whole. Yet lets get the addresses take on this. Well. What implications as is, have been for global Energy Security . Is holden. Well, the crisis, the sauce at the moment does a couple of things to the Global Energy system. First of all, it puts a strain on already very tight l n g markets and those cell into markets in terms of supply to move sideways for the next one. Or 2 years, maybe 3 years until situations change again in the us and cut our me additional supplies. But there is also a big shift in oil because the europeans, r and barr going russian oil. There is a g 7 embargo and rational, including a price cap and not all of that will be re delivered and, and redirected to other wells region, which means you will take some off the market and that will probably have an impact on, on the market as well, we also have a similar situation with coal, coal guts, sanctioned by august this year, but the new russian coal that is and that also many markets got more tighter than they were. Now one thing that is important to see is that what were talking about, the cold and europe at the moment. This in fact has an implication and an impact mainly on non o. S a d countries in the global south that is southeast asia, africa, and elsewhere because thats where people feel high prices the most. Those are economies that are in part elegy in port dependence like pakistan, which is hardly hit by the dash and, and other parts which are now priced out of the markets. Or they have very high intensities in of their economy. Which means the moment prices go north, those economists are had heart, so the repercussions are mostly felt in places that a poor, not rich. All right, so we are going to have to leave it there, as, thanks very much to all 3 of you. All rich brightener in berlin, magic wary in doha, and our andrea. So got our joining us from berlin as well. Thanks so much for being on inside store and that is it for our show. Thank you as well for watching. 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