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People involved inhouseing and various way and including from knob hill neighborhoods and they manage today come up with all the that wonderful legislation. The whole range. Because it had people with different experiences. I havent seen the most version if something that says doing what. For example, i have found that some of the policies that exist now are maybe they dont really quite have the input from people who have actually lived in co opposite or condos and things of that sort and putting people in a home owner situation. Its a great idea in rental and people losing their homes and i dont speak for calvin but he is the same kind of thing. When the Community Land trust was talking at spur, they were going to buy older buildings and convert them into in my building it was 100,000 and i knew a good halfdozen around that time in which i knew people for the special assessment totals were 4 million and ours is a million and a half and so fourth, how are these people coming up with this money and the man from the your time has expired. Good afternoon, this is senior disability action and i am really pleased that this permanent resident would be and i like the idea of the ami idea and when you have sen verse seno are low income on fixed incomes and they live in the bayview. Its not quite the same with income and in order to pay rent and people should remain in their communities, thats the most important thing and stability of all in terms of neighborhoods and in terms of housing and so i am in support of this and i do hope of course that we are also looking at what the income levels would be so that it truly meets the needs of that community and those with the fewer options and the greatest need. So i am very much in support of this and thank you so much for bringing this forward. I yield my time. Thank you. We have two more people in queue next caller, please. Yes, i am happy to hear that the ami is limited to 80 of the area Median Income and its a major improvement over previous programs which have been 120 and i do have some concerns unlike the other callers, about proposals to have apologies, we lost our bridge line. We will need a few minutes. Couple people were in the queue when we lost the line. Theres only one person left. Do we want to take a coupleminute recess to see if we can get it fixed. Yes. Thank you. Thank do we have the caller queued in . I do not see the bridge line. Sorry. Vicechair safai, were having technical difficulties again. The bridge line just dropped. Give us a minute. Im going to have authur pick it up on his phone and then were going to switch to a different telephone so give us a few minutes, please. We need a little more recess. Yes, please. Lets go into recess, i have made my call already. Thank you. Thank you for your honesty. Next speaker, please. Hello, caller. Have you made comments . Lets move back to this caller. Next speaker, please. Hello i think i may have been the last caller before things went haywire. I was calling to thank the supervisors for this visionary piece of legislation, most of all, making it by neighborhood adjusting the the ami to neighborhoods. I dont know if it came through, did it . If not, there it is. Thank you. Thank you. Next speaker, please. Clerk hello, caller . Ok. Lets do the next speaker. That completes the queue. Thank you. I think that we do that through sb35. But thinking about what are the barriers and the things that slow down the production of the housing and how that adds to the overall costs. Again, how you can incorporate it into the principles of social housing. So, i would say child care and things like Health Clinics and things like things that are socially promoting a Community Space can oftentimes, if its not clearly articulated and its always an afterthought and a system afterthought, it undermines the idea. You have articulated that really well. And the other thing is people who have worked in Affordable Housing for a really long time again, this is later, right, because youre passing it over from a nonprofit or somebody who is going to do it. But how do you maintain and how do you manage the housing itself . Because thats really an important aspect of sustaining and ensuring the success of these targets. So those are just some of my initial thoughts. Again, social housing, also in certain places, they dont ask tenants to graduate out if they go over income. Some of them are given opportunities for not to say that its forever, but it creates more stability. We have some very small examples of that in San Francisco. And i know of the i. Are iowu built some housing where a lot of the members, whether they were low income or not, they were able to pass that down generationally. I think that in the terms of tenancy it might be something to think about income might be something to think about, because, again well, the last aspect that you talked about earlier is, you know, the federal government is significantly investing in social housing. So the funding of that is, obviously, one of the most important things. And Land Acquisition being one of the big steps in that process. So i appreciate i appreciate the thought put into this and we will make a motion to continue this item to october 19. And its after these amendments have been made. Clerk so the remaining balance is just the continuation to october 19th. [roll call] you have two ayes. Okay, supervisor preston, one more. Madam clerk, call item 5. Clerk yes, item number 5 is an ordinance amending the administrative code to establish the covid19 rent resolution and relief fund to provide Financial Support to landlords whose tenants have been unable to pay rent due to the covid19 pandemic. The members of the public who wish to provide Public Comment on item number 5 should call the number on the screen, thats 1 415 6550001. And the meeting i. D. Is 146, 765, 3310. And if you want to line up to speak, press star, 3, and a system prompt will indicate that you have raised your hand. Supervisor preston . Supervisor preston thank you. And, yes, last but not least, the rent resolution and relief fund. And this is one that we have discussed in principle before, and i think its an important one both for tenants and also for small landlords. So as referenced in my remarks in the previous item, the rent resolution and relief fund is the second of two ordinances related to the fair recovery package. The rent resolution and relief fund is designed to assist small Property Owners whose tenants have been impacted by covid19 and have been unable to pay rent during the state of emergency. If a landlord voluntary waves the debt obligation for the impacted tenants, the landlord will be eligible to receive a percentage of the rent owed, as much as 3,000 per month through this fund. The legislation gives priority to small Property Owners, defined as landlords with 10 or fewer rental units in the city, as well as landlords facing hardship due to lost income. You will likely recall legislation previously considered regarding tenants unable to make rent due to covid19 hardships. Thats something that we have discussed quite a bit in committee and at the board. And i think that we clearly did the right thing as a board, as a city, by taking eviction off the table for those tenants. But as you, supervisor safai and other colleagues on this body by indicated at the time, theres concerns what happens to the small Property Owner who may be at risk of default on their mortgage or foreclosure as a result of the loss of that rental income. And then also from tenant advocates as we continue to have concerns in the absence of any real federal or state rent cancellation, mortgage cancellation, and a mounting rent debt, that tenants are living under right now. And so this legislation will mitigate the impact of on these small landlords and their tenants of the inability to pay due to covid19. As with the housing stability fund, my office has spent months meeting with stakeholders and considering feedback. Im going to now describe some of the amendments which as with the previous item are substantive and will require an Additional Reading and we hope to amend the item and to continue it as we did the previous one so that the two can be heard together on october 19th. I will go through the amendments briefly. Page 1, line 2021, add quote the Mayors Office of Community Development shall administer the fund, and quote the funds shall be used on. Page 1, lines 2325, through page 2, lines 14, add, quote in the case of small landlords facing hardship, the grant may exceed 3,000 per month and may cover up to 65 of the rent that the landlord has waived. For purpose of this section 10. 110051. 1, the landlord with 10 or fewer rental units in the city and the term, quote facing hardship, means that the unpaid rent is likely to cause the landlord to become unable to pay mortgage payments or perform preexisting obligations or complete the necessary repairs at the property. And also strike in that same section, for the purpose of moving this provision to a later section of the ordinance, the following, quote any moneys in the funds that are not expended by december 31, 2022, may be used by for back rent payment and eviction prevention programs. On page 2, line 23, add, quote a percentage, and strike 50 . And page 4, lines 2425, through page 3, lines 12, add, quote they may also have additional requirements and procedures to ensure that the landlord whose receive grant funds continue to operate their units as Residential Rental units for five years after the date of the grant acceptance. Page 3, lines 47, strike definition of small landlords, facing hardship as it was incorporated in a previous section of the ordinance. Page three, line 1013, add, quote Section Capital c expiration, may award grants from the fund until march 31st, 2023. Any moneys in the fund not expended by march 21, 2023 may be used for back rent, payment assistance and eviction prevention programs. The board of direc supervisors y extend these. And thats my amendments and i thank supervisors ronen and mar and walton and haney. And as i mentioned, as with the changes to the previous item, hoping to approve these amendments so that we can consider the ordinance as amended at our october 19th committee hearing. And with that, i am happy to answer any questions or to move to Public Comment. Thank you. Thank you, supervisor. Madam clerk, call Public Comment. Clerk yes. Sorry arthur, if you could queue in the first caller. Yes, i have two callers in the queue and ill release the first caller. Caller hello supervisors. My name is laura kiera, and im the executive director of Legal Assistance to the elderly and im calling in support of this legislation. I attempted to call earlier in support of the nofault evictions moratorium but despite six months of quarantine i still dont know how to use the callin line. So i stayed on to also support this legislation. And we provide Free Legal Services to seniors and adults with disabilities and about 60 of all of our requests are for help with the housing and eviction offense. We are also the lead agency at the sex cells your collaborative, brought to district 11 through supervisor safais leadership. Excells your legal collaborative is the primary referral for tenants right representation in district 11. We are seeing tenants that lost their jobs in march and still arent back to work. Theyre struggling to make rent mayments and even with the state legislation that requires 25 of their rent, theyre not going to be able to meet this amount without going without food and essentials for their families. We also have a lot of seniors who are 60 and theyre too young for retirement but too old because of the high risk of contracting covid so they had to give up their jobs. Were concerned because we have a lot of senior homeowners who need this rent from these tenants to avoid foreclosure. And i think that just in sum, this economic crisis is too big for us to be able to litigate our way out of it. And it can only be resolved through compromise and negotiation. And this fund provides the resources to be able to accomplish that and to allow those parties on both sides to survive this economic crisis. Thank you very much. And have a good evening. Be well. Clerk thank you for your comments. Next speaker, please. Caller yeah, i like this legislation in theory, but i am just wondering how easy it will be to implement the part that requires that priority for the funds go to small and large facing hardship. And also the renter landscape in San Francisco is not just, you know, people individually renting from from landlords. You know, theres a wide variety of models. There are people who live with roommates and there are subtenant relationships. And so im wondering how all of those would play out with this legislation. And so my concern is that even though this legislation does say that priority is going to be given to small landlords facing hardship, the individuals the organizations yeah, the entities that would be able to best take advantage of it would be the commercial landlords and, you know, not the sort of mom and pop owners or, you know, the Master Tenant who needs to who has back rent of their own to pay. And so, yeah, i think that there are some kinks that need to be worked out. So, yeah, i guess those are some of the concerns that i have with this legislation. Yeah, thank you. Clerk thank you for your comments, next speaker, please. Caller hello. This is ann staisha yopipolous. This is very smart to create a fund for homeowners who need the money. And they didnt have to apply for it, they didnt have to show that they had a need. And people who are on the verge of being evicted and who have a need, this money will be available to them to keep them from losing their home. That is the legislation, and its very smart. Thank you. Clerk thank you. Next speaker. Caller thank you, supervisors. Thank you, supervisor preston, for leading the way on this. This is ebby, and i grew up with Small Business and, yes, this is a city of primarily renters and i do counsel at the human rights, and i also had a Small Business. And you talk about the landlords and i am very appreciative that we had the word landlord. And my landlord, a small landlord, that there would be protections there too. So thank you very much for adding this to our package of housing. We support the bill. Thank you. Clerk thank you for your comments, next speaker, please. You will be notified that you are unmuted and you may begin your comments. Caller good afternoon, supervisors. indiscernible im the codirector of the Community Housing organizations. Happy to pass along that our coalition of 22 Housing Developers and advocates are supporting this piece of legislation. Along with our support for proposition i as said earlier, in the legislation, that its important for us to be putting forth not only excellent proposals, but the funding measures to go along with them. Earlier you all were discussing extending the protection and we need to look at what happened at the backend and how tenants are able to come out of this without losing their homes or having their credit impacted. Or having their ability to someday to go into other housing situations. So this is one piece that looks to solve a problem, not only for tenants but for landlords as well. And this is as we all experienced the consequences of the pandemic and the recession. So, thank you, and im happy to put our support behind this. And i look forward to discussing this further in light of the events. Clerk thank you for your comments. Next speaker, please. That completes the queue. Great. So we will make a motion to accept the items, the amendments, as proposed by supervisor preston. Can we do that without objection, madam clerk . Clerk we will need to take a roll call. On the motion to amend the legislation, [roll call] you have two ayes. Supervisor safai can we make a motion to continue this item to the meeting on october 19th . Clerk on the motion excuse me as stated, supervisor preston. Preston aye. Supervisor safai. Safai, aye. You have two ayes. Supervisor safai thank you. I dont believe that theres any other items before us, correct, madam clerk . Clerk thats correct. No further business. Supervisor safai we are adjourned. Clerk thank you. Supervisor preston thank you. Clerk thank you. Fosda. Clerk regular meeting of the Small Business Commission Held on monday, october 5, 2020. The meeting is being called to order at 5 30 p. M. The Small Business commission thanks Media Services and sfgovtv for televising the meeting, which can be viewed on sfgovtv 2, channel 78, or sfgov. Org. Members of the public who will be calling in, the number is 4156550001. Again, the number is 4156550001. The access code is 1466683787. Press pound, and then pound again to be added to the line. Again, access code is 1466683787. Press pound, and pound again to be added to the line. When you are connected, you will hear the meeting discussion, but you will be muted and in listening mode only. When your item of interest comes up, press star, three to be added to the speaker line. Best practices are to call from a quiet location, speak slowly and clearly, and turn down the device that you are listening on. When you are called for Public Comment, please mute the device you are listening to the meeting on, and when it is your time to speak, you will be prompted to do so. Public comment is limited to three minutes each, unless established by the officer of the meeting. Speake speakers are requested, but not required, to state their names. Sfgovtv, please show the office of Small Business slide. Today, well begin with a reminder that the Small Business commission is the official forum to voice your concerns about policies that affect the Economic Vitality of Small Businesses in San Francisco. The office of Small Business is the best place to get answers about doing business in San Francisco during the local emergency. If you need assistance with Small Business matters, particularly at this time, you can find us online or via telephone. As always, our services are completely free of charge. Before we call our first item, id like to thank sfgovtv. Please call item number 1. Clerk item number 1, call to order and roll call. [roll call] clerk mr. President , you have a quorum. Thank you, please call item number 2. Clerk item 2, jobsnow . Presentation on the updated Jobsnow Program which provides employment and Training Services to Human Services agency benefit recipients, foster truth, and transitional age youth. Discussion item. The presenter is bart ellison, Workforce Development manager, Human Services agency, and with him are colleagues from the office of economic and Workforce Development. Great. Welcome, bart, and thank you for making yourself available. We really appreciate you being here. Im personally excited about this program. Id like to also welcome your colleagues who have joined you. Well begin with your presentation, which will be followed by commissioner questions, Public Comment, and finally, commissioner comment. The floor is yours. Thank you, everyone. Im going to share my screen. Ive got a small powerpoint to go long with my talking. Everyone sees that . Thank you. My name is bart ellison. Im the Workforce Development manager with the Human Services agency. Some of you may be familiar with jobsnow and some of you that are not, ive got a lot of information to get out in a few minutes. Its a Pandemic Response to really help with the economic and employment Recovery Plan for the city and county of San Francisco, also working in conjunction with some other agencies as well as the larger San Francisco Economic Task force. So let me go ahead here. So just for those of you that are not really familiar with jobsnow . Just a brief history. We started back in 2009 with the economic recovery and wage subsidy act. The intent, certainly back in 2009, during that recession, was to work with our clients that are receiving h. S. A. Benefits and get them into meaningful and paying jobs and working them towards selfsufficiency and getting them off reliance on public benefits, public assistance. Since 2009, we have made 27,000 j27,000 job placements and work with many businesses. So whats important for 2020 and 2021 . The budget, i believe, just god signed on the 1st. We were able to get our budget increased over last year, over 5 million going into the private sector wage subsidies. Our goal this year is to place 3700 individuals into subsidized employment jobs. One of the ways that we hope to do this is we brought back a Voucher Program which we actually started back in 2009. So in addition to my staff working with employers such as yourselves and other entities to try and get folks placed into jobs, were also going to be issuing vouchers to job seekers, so they can go out and become their own job developer. Theyll be able to go to an employer and present that voucher, saying hey, hire me. You may be eligible for a wage subsidy. Its going to put everyone because its just such a large unemployment right now, and trying to put everyone back to work, and i have limited staff, so this is just another way that we can really get folks out there, and hopefully get everyone working again as we as we reopen. In addition to the Voucher Program, we added some subsidies and wage reimbursement tiers specifically for the Pandemic Response. Just in general, our wage reimbursement to employers starts about 1,000 a month for a sixmonth period when they hire an eligible jobs. Whats new this fiscal year is we have a tier specifically for Small Businesses that are trying to startup and or reopen from this pandemic, so employers that lack revenue, also willing to invest in onthejob training. We will if they qualify, theres an application process which ill go through in a few minutes. They will qualify for 100 wage reimbursement for the first three months, and then 50 wage reimbursements for the following three months. Also new this year, to encourage employers to pay higher wages, and also working with our clients, we are offering a flat 50 wage reimbursement for six months for any employer that is paying 25 an hour or more for a fulltime position. We need to have San Francisco business registration, however, the actual operation doesnt have to be located in San Francisco. Of course, a Franchise Tax board account, comply with the San Francisco labor laws, have the payroll taxes. One of my big keys is intend to retain the employee once the subsidy period ends. The subsidy periods all end after six months. We dont hold you to the future, however, we want folks to be able to intend to retain that employee beyond the subsidy period. We also ask that the subsidy or the wages are similar to other employees that are doing the same type of work in that business. We discourage and do not want any hiring of family relationships or marriage through that, and there is an application process, which ill have roxana describe in just a few minutes. One of the things that i wanted to describe in this program is an employee cannot be an existing employee, and they cannot start work until the employer has been approved for jobsnow approval. Its not like hey, weve hired you, and bart, we want to go ahead and get the wage subsidy. R roxana, do you want to mention about how long the process tak takes and some specifics about it . Sure. Im roxana morales. The process takes usually 7 to 14 days. Usually, the longest part of the process is having the employer return the application back to us. Normally, the process will be you will be assigned one point of contact as jobsnow or a business account rep that will work with you oneonone to send you a docusign application. You will submit that application. We will then review it, put it through our process at h. S. A. Once that application is done, well promote your job orders to the community as well as our collaborating partners and staff within. In addition to that, we will be prescreening the candidates that you will be receiving will have met the minimum qualifications for the positions that youre applying for. Once we gather and prescreen candidates for you, we will introduce them to you, send you the recesume, set up interview and walking all through that recruitment process up until that hiring point. Once you make that job offer, thats pretty much where we step back and let you take on the employee as your own, and we say our goodbyes until you have another open position. I think one of the best parts of this program is you are given a one point of contact. The savings that you have in using our services could be anywhere from 3,000 to 6,000, depending on the type of position that youre trying to post. So it really helps in that recruitment. It really adds an extra arm to your h. R. Department. One thing that we do ask we do ask for all these other documents, but the one thing thats important for us in our partnership with the employers will be that communication, the feedback that we get back on the candidates that we present, and the feedback of why they havent decided to go with them. Great. Thank you very much, roxana. If youre curious of what who our participants are within jobsnow they need to be residents of San Francisco, they need to be receiving cash aid, calfresh, medical, and whats also changed this year is weve also added just in general requirements for the poverty level. So theyre making less than 2300 a month for a family of two, and less than 3600 a month for a family of three. They may not be receiving benefits from Human Services agency, but they will have come and applied, and those are the candidates that were going to have our pool out that are going to just have a wide range of skills and whatnot, especially the opening up to that larger group. Were working closely with e. D. D. To be able to have that if you mean funnel of clients coming our way. And other clients that were working with, were very happy to be working with office of economic and Workforce Development. I know that josh is going to be chiming in in a few minutes year, the chamber of commerce, the merchants association. I just mentioned e. D. D. For the state, but most importantly, our success is working with the Small Business employers and helping everyone get restarted, get staffed up, and get back to business. If you have any questions or want to reach out and connect, this is a screen with our information, our hotline number, or the worker hotline, which also is able to answer. The 877 number comes straight into h. S. A. The worker hotline number also gains the office of Workforce Development for other types of questions other than jobsnow and then, we also have our website, which we are updating, but youre also able to apply online there. And then, if you have any questions or want to reach out and prefer to do it by email, our email is there hsajobsnow at s jason, did you want to chime in . Yes, just a little. Joshua arce, with the office of economic and Workforce Development. We are so excited to support Workforce Agency in this program. Weve been partnered for many, many years, and i think during the covid response, coming together around the partner with the Human Services agency and our office to provide additional paid sick leave, particularly to those Small Businesses looking to support the workers and also adding some much needed capital to the overall bottom line of the company, i think through the workforce hotline together, weve supported calls from nearly 10,000 individual workers and businesses. Thats hard working Agency Business members. But i think just to add were really all in from this strategy from oewd, when you look at the what the unemployment is i was going to share a couple of slides it looks like i cant i can make you a presenter. Okay. Just a couple of data points. We see supporting this amazing program, essentially, the 3. 0 of this program, what we strategize is looking for workers who have been displaced, graduates of Training Programs, folks who have served the hotline itself, and some of the data points to where the opportunities are going to be if this pulls up on the powerpoint deal there. So we see where unemployment ill get the little slide show item. When we look in terms of unemployment claims, since february of 2020, 259,000 san franciscans have applied for unemployment, and top of that, [inaudible] and our ability to Work Together at oewd and h. S. A. , and our friends at the state to reach those men and women to create candidates who can go out not only for the wage subsidy but also to additional businesses who keep them working. In that case, it has added benefit of supporting the Small Businesses in particular. This is new data that really shows you, again, illustrating the need, and director dickendrizzi shares this type of data with you, as well. I think we see some real opportunity in the leisure and hospitality industry, where 50,000 jobs have been lost between San Francisco and san mateo counties. Both counties, roughly 40 job loss. Particularly, you look at hotels, Small Businesses, and the Restaurant Industry. Nearly 40 of their jobs have been lost, and we see this as a way to bring them back and stabilize our businesses as we come out of this crisis. This is where i think were just so excited to be partnering with Human Services agency and the Small Business commission to take this strategy and not only, again, help those workers who can benefit from the wage subsidy but those businesses struggling to stay open to make it through the economic recovery where were going to emerge even stronger. Thanks again, bart. Youre welcome. Thank you. Thats all i have from josh now, so im not sure if theres any q a or how that works on these forums, so excuse my ignorance for this. No, q a, youre signed up for it. I guess well turn it over. Do any commissioners have any questions or comments . Commissioner dooley . Hi. I have one question, which is i dont quite understand that this program also allows operations to not have to be located in San Francisco . Can you kind of go over that . Thats a little confusing to me. Sure. So as far as San Francisco residents, many times, we dont want to limit the employment. They may be based here in San Francisco, but the work side might be amazon is a great example. They might be in south city or in another location somewhere else. So as long as theyre on the San Francisco tax board, theyre paying the taxes or theyre registered, rather, with San Francisco, thats how that is. So there could be an entity here, but theyre just across the bay or whatever. Does that help . Yes, it does. Thank you. Youre welcome. Commissioner ortizcartagena . For me, as a Small Business, im so excited [inaudible] i helped so many Small Businesses and so many local residents [inaudible] this is great. For the Small Businesses also watch, this mitigates the training process. Imagine getting great people that want to work, and you dont even have to pay that cost. I love this program [inaudible] ill be your biggest cheerleader. You know me, i hit the streets, and i let all Small Businesses know. Thank you, thank you, thank you for your presentation. Thank you, and i appreciate your comments. Commissioner yekutiel. Thank you for your presentation. This is commissioner man manny yekutiel. With the programs that you are making available, are you making them available proportionately to the industries that have lost the most jobs or where are you placing the dial in the industries that have lost the most employees . Whatever employers have reached out to us or the employers that we have reached out to, the available job orders that we have, its really been based on what is our client pool. So we think we have a wide variety this time than in the past. So individuals that have maybe never been exposed to h. S. A. Benefits before or maybe just arent on them right now, just pulling a potentially higher skill set, hopefully, well be able to match. Thank you. Are you hearing from the folks in hospitality to fill those jobs, and historically, have those jobs been a large part of your replacement programs . Yes. Roxana, are you still here . Yes, im still here. Can you hear me . Yes, theyre still here. As a matter of fact, were working with oewd and hospitality to connect us with their side of the house. In addition, we of course, the promotion that we do is to all Small Businesses, but we definitely its all about promoting. So the people that come in and take advantage of the program, the more we get the word out there. Thats whos going to come in and apply. Hospitality is one of the biggest industries. But its also one of the industries with the highest turnovers. We switch back and forth because a lot of the times, depending on the population were working with, the candidates that were working with, some of them may need the flexibility that the industry provides, and in other cases, they may not need the flexibility. They want something more stable. Thank you, roxana. I have two more questions. I saw in a slide maybe 3. 5 million to support for private sector for the placements. Does that mean youre providing Financial Support to private Sector Companies who accept your placements . I just want to make sure i understand the program. So the way the program works, all the candidates that come through our program are eligible to receive to receive a wage subsidy, right . The employers have to apply, and we have to determine that the position pays an x amount of dollars. There are about five tiers that we work with. The tiers can be anywhere from parttime hours to fulltime hours, paying San Francisco minimum wage, up to right now, theres we dont have a cap on the wages, right . But, normally, about 50 because of the skill sets we have in our pools are the highest wages weve paid. Once weve made that connection with the employer, the employer receives the subsidy, not the candidate. The candidate gets a job, and what we do is provide them with a job that, again, is a you know, were looking for permanent positions, were looking for companies that are willing to train, and the but the subsidy doesnt go to the client, it goes to the company, and they pay some of the wages. And the wages [inaudible]. Such an amazing program. I really appreciate you presenting it today, and the next question is, authorized agents, living in the u. S. Or have an annual salary less than 150 of the poverty line. 250,000 san franciscans applied for unemployment. Thats a staggering percentage. Also, would these people be considered eligible for these programs . Im not sure about the numbers, but i can tell you that when you look at the the scale or the table of the 200 , you take into consideration that we are not going to be considering somebody thats collecting unemployment. Thats not going to be considered income, so it ll b based on what the household has, and it varies from household to household. Thank you. Its an amazing program. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. That is first, i just want to echo commissioner yekutiels comments. This is an Incredible Program, and its really coming at the right time. That really leads to my first question here, which is it seem seems like outreach is really critical here, and making sure employers know about it, but also making sure that applicants potential applicants know about it. Certainly, i can imagine somebody that has just lost a job or is looking for work probably, how would they even know about this . So i guess a question for you guys is how how are we going to reach out to these recently unemployed folks . Is there something we can do through e. D. D. To directly inform them of this program or what how are you guys imagining were going to let them know about it . Sure. So were already partnering with e. D. D. , and they do a daily workshop. I think theres about 250 people in each workshop, and so were part of that workshop, letting them know about jobsnow and how to apply for that. We also send out, just within h. S. A. S universe, we do connection that way through the mail, and then also partnering with all of our other chamber of commerce, first source hiring, Small Business association, just trying to spread the word out that way. Ive been sharing some fliers with some of the partners that i have names for so that we can help they can help spread that out, so Small Business will get a flier. Regina and i forget her name, sorry. Any way, were going to send out the email soft copy so that they can then share that out with their network, as well. And, i mean, definitely in San Francisco, one of the biggest our biggest help has always been the word of mouth, right . But we also collaborate with the communitybased organizations, we also help us put the word on the services that h. S. A. Is providing, especially around jobsnow right. You know, certainly, it seems with the threshold changing and more people being qualified to receive it, we should be very careful to be aware of that because they can say oh, i tried to get that program, and i couldnt get it. I have more questions, but commissioner dooley has made a request, followed by commissioner zouzounis. Commissioner dooley, please. Hi. Im sure you showed us some really helpful slides today, and i wonder if those can be made available to the commission . For example, i will be meeting with the north Beach Business Association tomorrow. I have been taking notes, but i would like to make sure that i have been telling the merchants the right information on how to get in touch with you. That would be very helpful. Sure, no. Id be happy to share this. And it is easy, domenica, to send it to you . I would also like to say that i make myself available if you ever need me to come in and do a presentation to the associations or to the the chambers. Id be more than happy to do so and join you at those meetings. Great, thank you. Commissioner zouzounis . Thank you for presenting, everyone. This is really crucial, and im glad were looking at collaborating and helping support. My question was in the order of operations and procespective business im pretty sure that my business local businesses in the industry, were always looking for workers, and its been its a hiring was scare even prior in the service sector, and im pretty sure weve gotten on a list, like, jobs weve had open, we had listed on jobsnow somehow, but no remember, like, the order of operations . Like, does the prospective employee have to say oh, thats a job im interested in, and then, they apply and we get documentation . And when do we start communicating with that prospective employee . So what will happen is, it works both ways, right . Because with the voucher system, the employer may see a candidate may meet a candidate, the candidate will introduce the voucher inform them, and then, they can come they would take the voucher, call us, and well engage the employer at that point, having knowing that they already have this candidate in mind, so thats one way. But if you are an employer thats looking to post i dont believe you may be posting with jobsnow because if youre posting with jobsnow youre working with one individual to promote your job, promote your business, and prescreen your candidates. At that point, they will only send you the candidates that meet the minimum requirements for your position. And if you would like, i can pass on your Contact Information to you, and we can check on your familys business and see if theyre on. But one of our account reps are happy to. Okay. That makes sense. If youre a business, and youre anticipating you might have an opening, but you dont at that moment, you can talk to that business account rep and kind of get in the system beforehand . Thats correct, thats correct. Okay. And thats how we usually prefer, you know, that we start planning ahead. And once you have that point of contact with us. That point of contact will follow you for as long as you like us to be partnering up. Weve been partnering with employers since 2009, and theyve been having that specific case or basis account rep with them for three or four years, depending on how long the business account rep sticks with us. And if i can just add to that real fast, too. So if the Program Comes across someone that they may not have heard the program or they havent received a voucher, you can refer them to call the jobsnow hotline, and they can get registered and move forward with the hiring process, assuming your business is registered with us, as well. So very flexible during this fiscal year. Great. So, you know, i guess i should mention, i believe correct me if i am wrong, josh that we hired an employee through jobsnow through the Jobsnow Program . She is and continues to be fantastic. Made it through the pandemic. You know, we had to trim down quite a bit, but i we wouldnt be here without her, no question about it. So great. We didnt take advantage of the any of the vouchers. Maybe i missed an opportunity there, but shes fantastic. Couple other quick questions for you. So in terms of starting the application process, is it called the hotline or is there, like, an easytogoto website to send people to . Is there an online process application . How do employers and employees start the process . So either roxana or i can go so for a job seeker, they can simply call the hotline or they can go to a website. Theres an Interest Form that went live on the 1st. It goes right to us. What is that website . Pardon me . What is the website for members of the public listening in . Sure. Its sfhsa. Org jobsnow, and thatll be on the slide deck that ill send to domenica. And they can call the job line and be connected with someone. And you mentioned limited staff, but it looks like youre going to do a pretty significant increase in the number of jobs that youre processing. Looks like about a 50 increase over what youve done previously. With the budget increase, have you identified like, are you going to add more f. T. E. S to make that increase happen or how are you going to get there . Sure. At this time, we have no additional f. T. E. S through the city, but we have adjusted or processes, so staff are organized and ready to go. Amazing. So its safe to say that most of that budget increase is going to find its way into the pockets of employers oh, yeah, the budget increase is all to the employers. Nothing going to the staff. Yeah, thats incredible. A tiny question here. So 100 or three months and 50 for the next three months is the reimbursement. For one of the tiers. So talk me through that. What does that mean . So we have five different tiers. That particular tier youre talking about requires that the employer pays 25 or over . Well, i got the 25 or over was 50 or six months. Or six months, right. The other one im sorry. Youre right. Thats the other tier is for small to business employers or people that are being rehired or that but the a salary has to be 16 or higher. So 16. 07 zlr, San Francisco minimum wage. Okay. I just want to be clear. If im paying minimum wage, i can get 100 or three months and 50 for the next three months, so if i pay 25, i can get 50 for six months . Is that capping the citys no, because the hours are different. Were being more flexible with the rehires and the business with no income, whereas with the other positions, the requirement is they have to be permanent positions. Theres more flexibility with that other tier, and its geared for more of the fore the new businesses or for a Small Business that has been in business but wasnt getting any income during the pandemic. Okay. And then, is there a kind of job that you guys specialize in or that youre particularly adept at . A sector . A sector or even a Commission Type . You know, beauty of the staff, theyve worked with various skill levels as well as various industries. We have placed people in janitorial jobs, in Public Sector jobs. It varies in what we can do. What were trying do is help that candidate find a job that will be there after the six months of subsidies, right . So we want to do a really good match on skills. Right, great. Thank you so much. Two more questions. These are fore josh. So josh, i can imagine that this program plugs into other stuff that oewd is doing. Do you want to flush that out for me . Sure. Sure, commissioner laguana. The thing about this perspective is so great, its not only to support our Human Services agency, but our director, awe teen torres is always looking for these real winwins between business and workers to really have a shared strategy to get through these times. So in the care of our service, we serve roughly 5,000 individuals in any given year. Thats men and women coming into our job centers or going into our vocational trainings and construction tech, hospitality or health care. And so the graduates of those programs who cant find work because a lot has changes, obviously, in terms of employment, those men and women come out with skills that are very marketable to employers that may not have the opportunity to hire them, may need to stay open, may need to be productive to keep going, and now, this is a winwin because a graduate of someone who did all that training, in some cases, up to six months of training, can now have the opportunity to go to work. And the workforce hotline, close to 10,000 individuals, in many cases have been signed up for workforce services. Thats not just accessing and help getting unemployment, but its the stipend we have some Training Programs that are coming in during covid that help them get a few hundred bucks just to help make ends meet, and we can refer them over to the h. S. A. Employers that are coming into jobsnow . That and we mentioned some workers in family first. Thats a roster of partners, and think tony lugo there at the department, we talked about enabling those individuals who can get sick leave. In combination, i think thats, from our office, and as director torres is fond of talking about, is finding a winwin. Its an Incredible Program at the right time. I love it. I think the entire commission feels the same, and we will all work hard to help you guys promote it. One last question for you, josh. This is in the weeds a little bit, but im just curious. The unemployment figures mentioned 259,000 claims. The oewd showed totals for the sector of 126. I was wondering, you know, thats basically, thats 100 difference between 126 and 259. Do you know why those two numbers are different or can you speak to that . Yes, i can, chair laguana, and if i can share one last time, i can go back to the graph in question and illuminate the discrepancy. Just waiting for the green light to be able to share again. The main thing thank you very much. So the main thing that i can point to, and ill go back to that very first graph is, in some ways, actually, a little bit of good news in an otherwise challenging time, which is that some jobs have been regained. And so i did, before presenting this today with h. S. A. , i went through and doubled checked the numbers. So these are actually raw counts from the e. D. D. That we get every week. So there have been, since february 1 through the 19th of september, 63,000 claims. Another 63,000 contractors get pandemic insurance. But i think youre referring to this number, chair laguana, which is how does this number show for San Francisco and san mateo county, overall job loss of 126,700. Thats if we go back and look at this data, some jobs have been regained, and a lot of jobs have been regained since april. If we look at the next graph, which is from june 2020, that 126,700, as of june, was 140,000. Youll see that the job loss in june was close to 12 . Weve recovered im not that great with math, but i would say approximately 13,000 jobs were regained by the time we ran this report in August August when we look back in june. When you go back even further, to the earliest days of the pandemic, april 2020, the change from june 2020 to april 2020 was this figure here. 181,700. So again, doing the path there, im going to go out on a limb and say 55,000 or so jobs difference between, again, this is april 2020, 15 of all jobs were lost in these two counties these are estimates, of course, and 81,700 to 126,700 by august. So i think weve seen the cycle of folks go on unemployment, get another job, and others go on unemployment. When you total all these cycles of activity, this is what we see. In the leisure and hospitality, 78,000 were lost initially. Some were regained, but not enough. Theres still so much hurt among the workers and businesses, of course. And just to loop in two components here that i think if you could keep it on that slide, drawing the commissions attention to this, the single biggest hit is the restaurant, with a loss of 131,600 jobs lost since february. One can imagine restaurants, with the number of minorities, immigrants, undocumented workers that they employ, that this is disproportionately hurting minority communities. So this underscores why, since the pandemic has started, a lot of our focus has been on restaurants because it is, a, the sector experiencing the most loss, and b, that loss is concentrated in vulnerable communities. Vulnerable communities. Thats not to say or diminish the losses that are happening in other sectors, and certainly, were working on doing our best to help if we can with those to help, you know, retail and the arts is definitely just absolutely crushed. And, you know, certainly manufacturing and nonprofits is a big concern. But in terms of orienting ourselves around triage, right, like trying to tackle the biggest problems and help the most people that we can, this is whats been guiding the commission through our work. So i just bring that up for those that are curious or wondering through what lens that were looking at this. So with that said and this is important to the Jobsnow Program because the Jobsnow Program is the other half of that. We are looking at the restaurants. Jobs now is looking at those vulnerable communities, and we cant forget, at least from my perspective, we cant forget that there were folks that struggled to find jobs in the prepandemic environment, and there were people getting from step zero to step one is a very challenging thing to do. I was once one of those people, so i can relate. We cant stop that, and now weve got a bunch of other people that need help. This is a fantastic program. Really knight really excited to see it, and the fact that you decided to spend some time with us. With that, well go to Public Comment. Are there any Public Commenters on the line . Araceli, are you seeing anyone on the line . There are no callers with their hands raised. Okay. Clerk sorry. Actually, Somebody Just raised their hands. Thats fine. Unmute them. Caller, please go ahead. Ah, yes. I had a question about the the 25 an hour incentive. Im wondering if that will discourage employers from employing employees at fulltime schedules and instead shift them to parttime schedules . And, you know, so how would that impact employers and jobsnow participants . Thank you for the call. Are there any other public callers on the line . Clerk that concludes the queue. Okay. Seeing no more public callers, Public Comment is closed. Before we go into any further discussion, bart, would you would you have an answer or a response to our comment . Sure. If i understood the question correctly thats why roxana has mentioned about five tiers. The tiers range for employers to employ fulltime or parttime. To be eligible for that 25 an hour tier, that is fulltime employment. So if there was an employee doing 20 an hour, they would qualify for the parttime tier. They would qualify for a parttime reimbursement fee, which is a flat figure of 1,000 a month. And were these tiers presented in the presentation you presented to us or not . No. We are the ones that will fit best for that employer, and it might be they might say oh, i want this, but something might be a better fit. Do we have any other commissioner comments before we go onto the next comment or any further questions . Okay. Seeing none commissioner laguana . Yes. Yes. For the commission, as our office with the in the last economic crisis, work with h. S. A. In promoting the Jobsnow Program, it was very successful and was very popular amongst newly starting businesses. So our role, we have been part of the team and part of the rollout team. So not only will we be pushing out this information through our eblast and every platform that we have, we will also be providing this information in our oneonone basusiness counseling and then connecting with them on an individual basis. We are definitely there as a partnership with h. S. A. And with oewd to make sure that as Many Employers and businesses are able to who know know about the program and, of course, can help take advantage of the program. Im glad that we are working tightly with them to help get that information out. To the entire jobsnow team, thank you for all your work, thank you for coming in, roxana, josh, and bart, and any other members that are here, we appreciate you spending your time with us. Thank you, commissioners. Thank you for having us. Next item, please. Clerk item 3, Indoor Dining guidelines. Update and report on the San Francisco indooroutdoor gyning guidelines issued under the coronavirus covid19 local Health Directive 202016 cb. Discussion item. The presenter is patrick fosdahl, acting director of the Environmental Health branch, department of Public Health, and i know that he is joined by colleagues of the Public Health branch. Great. Thank you, patrick, for coming and explaining this. This is definitely the topic du jour for our restaurant community, and we hope that you will shed some light on this for the benefit of our friends in the Restaurant Industry and help us wrap our heads around what this week looks like. So with that, the floor is yours. Great. Well, thank you for inviting us. I know it was a little bit lastminute, but were always happy to come and partner with you guys. We know that its been a moving target for months now for Small Businesses. As these orders and directives come out, its a very fluid situation. They seem to be changing weekly, if not daily, and try to keep our hands wrapped around it has been a struggle, so we know that its even been a greater struggle for the Small Business community. Really glad to be here, and hoping we can shed some light on where we are today, at any rate. So i do have a quick little presentation that we put together quickly, if i can get the share screen option. Domenica . Clerk yes. Sorry. Its taking me a minute. The joys of working from home. Okay. Can everybody see that . We can, thank you. Okay. All right. So im patrick fosdahl. Weve kind of already help, and ive got one of my food managers, terry hong, and were happy to be here. Just a quick overview of the Environmental Health branch, were housed within the department of Public Health, and we are the Environmental Branch of the department of Public Health. We have about 30 separate programs that we enforce, and restaurants, food facilities would be one of those. Its one of our largest programs. We enforce nearly all of the 45 articles of the health code, and then, as of about march, we now this includes both Health Orders and directives that, as you indicated, seem to be changing daily. So weve also been trying to stay on top of those as they come out. What weve been kind of doing during the Pandemic Response is initially, we sort of pivoted from being primarily an enforcement or agency of the branch of the Health Department to be more of an outreach, and that was because of the brandnew, sort of changing environment that covid brought the daily. We contributed to or wrote ourselves. We pushed out well over 40,000 [inaudible] to regulated businesses. Weve also been calling ones that we dont have emails for just to make sure that everybody is aware of whats going on. Weve conducted inperson clie compliance checks just to see how the businesses that are operating, how theyre doing. Weve participated with barrier masks in businesses, and we respond to complaints. I think weve received 1700 or more covid related complaints through the 311 system, and we also will respond to what are called covid clusters, and those happen at different businesses. Restaurants would be one of those, so we get a cluster of cases, well send an inspector out, kind of figure out whats going on. San francisco and covid19, just a little bit before we get into the Indoor Dining, there are five Key Health Indicators for how were doing in San Francisco, and fortunately, right now, were in pretty good shape. Those indicators are hospitalizations and available hospital beds, new cases, the rate of infection, our testing capacity, Contact Tracing and available p. P. E. And right now, all of those are really in pretty good shape. We have a little bit higher transmission rate than we would like, but all in all, were doing pretty well as a city. San francisco, we performed 533,000 tests approximately for covid. Weve had 11,000 about 11,500 cases since we started in march, and weve had 108 deaths. And the deaths are always a really sobering reminder, to me, of, really, the importance of what were doing here. In conjunction with what weve done here locally, the state has adopted four color codes to sort of guide reopening. Why they chose these colors, i dont know, but its purple is the worst, and then, it goes to red, orange, and yellow, and its based on the disease transmission or activity in a particular county. So San Francisco, were currently orange, which is pretty good. It puts us ahead of our neighboring bay area counties. So on september 30, San Francisco issued directive 202016c, which is the Indoor Dining provision that were going to talk about now. So its lengthy. The guidance that goes along with that directive is 12 pages in and of itself, so were going to hit on a few key topics of changes that were made and let the questionandanswer time kind of direct where we go. So indoor dines guidelines, first of all, it applies to dining establishments only, and those are establishments that are permitted to serve whats considered a bona fide meal. And so for restaurants that are permitted, thats just what they do. For bars, the questions been raised, what about bars. So the bars that have a permitted kitchen would fall into that same category. Bars that dont have permitted kitchens, what weve allowed them to do is to partner with somebody who is a permanent kitchen and allow them to essentially do whats called a pop up in the bar. If they want to serve a bona fide meal, thats a way of doing it. We waived the fees for those popup permits, and we also prioritize their approval in large part because of the demand and need of that particular business to try to find a way to operate. So the indoor directives are operate at 25 of the maximum occupancy, and thats the posted occupancy for either the building or the room or 100 patrons, whichever is less. Before opening, were asking that businesses look at ways to improve their ventilation. The reason Outdoor Dining was opened first was because of the tremendous amount of volume of air movement outdoors, which greatly decreases disease transmission. So before we open that space, wed like to see that space increase their ventilation. Thats accomplished by opening windows, increasing the amount of return by hvacs, increasing filtration, that sort of thing. We ask that businesses spend a little extra time checking for rodents or pests, and then checking the personnel who will be working there with a series of guidelines. There are a series of signs that needs to be posted. This seems to be changing daily, as well, but there are a couple of signs that need to be posted. And those are one, a sign that covid19 is transmitted through the air, and two, seniors and [inaudible]. Basically, what that requires is a way of allowing patrons to do a selfassessment and determine whether or not theyre suffering from any of the symptoms before entering the establishment. We dont want sick people or people that are symptomatic to be going indoors. Its limited to a party may stay or a partys stay at a facility cannot exceed two hours after theyve been seated. I think the thinking behind this criteria would be reducing the amount of people there at once. All bars must close at 1 30, and that would allow 30 minutes for patrons to finish their meals. A lot of the requirements, you just go right down the line and check them off. Were here to help. Most of the food establishments know who their district inspectors are at the Health Department. Were asking owners to reach out with any questions, and wed be happy to help out. So with that, well open it up, i guess, to questions and answer time if there are any questions. Great. Thank you for the presentation. Commissioner adams . Yeah. I just want to say this the program was working with the bars and the popup restaurants was a brilliant idea. Just that alone, you saved a lot of businesses and a lot of bars, and its creating an atmosphere in the city, especially, like, in the last thing i said with commissioner dooley and what shes done in north beach, and now what manny has done on valencia street has created and saved so many jobs. What you guys have done in your department and getting the restaurants and economy and stuff back up in bars in this crazy world were in, i just want to say thanks. Thats good. As we get into these next steps with slowly opening up Indoor Dining, weve all got to be careful, but, you know, its giving some businesses a chance here, so thats what i have. I appreciate that. Commissioner dooley . Hi. I just wanted to ask a couple of questions about enforcement . Who is going to have to do that often very unpleasant task . Is that going to fall on that owner and the staff or is there some way that your department is kind of monitoring or is it all just 311 complaints . Yeah, thats a thats a good question. We get asked that question a lot. I think when the Health Orders first started coming out back in march, there was a lot of language in there that involved penalties and jail time and all that have for noncompliance. So weve been dealing with that enforcement question for a while. So we view it as a partnership with us and the business. Its really in both of our best interests to ensure that those statistics remain low so that we can allow businesses to continue to open. So businesses definitely have a role to play on that. Theyre on the frontline, and theyre there, working with their businesses every night that theyre open. So theyre the ones that are first going to see if there is a compliance issue in their facility. Now, what we respond to are complaints, so and we also do some routine inspections, as well, kplients checks. But if we get complaints that there is too many people, crowding, that there is not social distancing, people arent Wearing Masks or oftentimes from workers that, you know, theyre not being compliant, well go out, and we do have enforcement authority. Typically, what we do is we tell them what they need to do to correct, provided its not something thats egregious. If we continue to see it, if they continue to violate, well issue a notice of violation, to the point we would suspend our revoke permits to stay open. We have suspended any permits. We havent revoked any permits, and we havent issued any fines. We have been working with the city around cease and desist notices, and i think the Business Community should be aware that theres a group that goes out all the time that just monitors businesses, and this started at the beginning of covid, and its made up of people from a bunch of different agencies with the city who sort of monitor businesses that are open on the weekend and at night for compliance. We do want people to comply, but like i said, we view it as a partnership with the businesses, and its in their best interests and everyones best interests to comply with these requirements. I have one more question. I just wanted to ask, how does the Indoor Dining situation apply to takeaway cocktails that weve seen all over north beach . Does that suspend it . Does that continue . How do we deal with that. Yeah. Ill let terry hong, the manager, weigh on this, as well. But my understanding is the beverage still needs to be served with a bona fide meal. Terry, did you want to weighin on that . Sure. I think patrick, you have it pretty much about right. In fact, commissioner may have phrased it better than both of us, saying it was sort of a kind of a ray of light, i think, that helps everyone, helped the bars stay open, and its allowed us to do what we do best. Even though the bars may not have been that experienced with food safety, we made the decision that thats what we do, and weve doubled our efforts, and its a winwin situation. And, commissioner dooley, i dont think thats changing with Indoor Dining. Thank you. Thank you. Commissioner zouzounis . Thank you. I have a couple questions, if you could bear with me. So i hear that youre largely responding to complaints. However, you said that there are inperson compliance checks. Do you have data on the industry or sector off business ties that youre hitting the most with those compliance checks . Are they at random . How are those noncompliancebased compliance checks, if theres a strategy around that or triggers . That is my first question. All right. Terry, you work closely with those guys. Sure. [inaudible]. The City Attorney has a team of investigators. Theyre not inspectors, per se, but they are investigators. So a large part of our inspections are generated by their observation. So, you know, were not so they make observations, and they send us reports, and our First Response is always the same, is education. So well go out there, and well educate in some ways, we have a better working relationship because we know from the food inspections. Just like in food inspections, the vast majority of people have no violations, 95 , and i think you would find the same during these covid times. Now, its mostly covid complaints, whether its no masks or no social distancing. We are mobilized based on the complaints. In some ways, its good and bad. In some cases, weve deputyized some of the community. You need some expertise for food safety, but you dont need expertise to see someone not wearing a mask or not observing distancing. Not every complaint from the public or from the Investigator Team will lead to violations from our department, but we will respond to 100 of them. Okay. And so youre youre you were were youre not going to businesses that dont have compliants . Its not our focus. Every inspector has a specific area of the city. [inaudible] but there may be less bars in that particular area, and sometimes bars do generate the most currently, they generate the most complaints. It might be that they would go there to educate and also conduct a food Safety Inspection per normal because everyone equally, everyone has to have one in six months or more. Okay. And and has any one have you all been seeing any new applications, like, new food license applications coming in during this time, and how is that working . Like, for example, businesses that may need an additional license to to operate the way they want or being in compliance or whatnot . Yeah, ill probably answer that in two different parts. So the first one is we were surprised ours. Patrick asked the department, director fosdahl asked them to run the numbers. It was higher i dont have the numbers in if front of me, but we were actually pleasantly surprised that there were a good number open during this time and not as many closing. Kind of the tangent to because i think youre asking two questions. We are seeing a ton of new permits for the bars because the bars are required to get that nofee i wouldnt call it a permit, id call it an approval. They do need to partner with a pop up, and we need to make sure that that pophas a permit, so we are getting tons of those, yes. Thank you. And i know that alcohol, obviously, is under the Environmental Branch, and we have seen, during the course of the Health Directives released by the city one in particular very much it specified type 20 and 21 off premises sale alcohol licenses. It was a sixth supplemental order, and it put a curfew on these license business types for an exemption for businesses over 5,000 square feet, so essentially, all of the Corner Stores were shutdown with police force, no notice prior, and safeway and bevmo and restaurants to go were still selling alcohol, but stores and restaurants and businesses with type 21 licenses were shutdown as of 8 00 p. M. That was never explained to us as a business, as a commission the impetus for that, so we dont really know if Something Like that could come down the line again, like, that regulatory license specific. Could you all give us some insight if youre going to be doing business restrictions in in the future . Thank you. Sure. I think thats been rescinded, but to your point, that actually surprised us, as well. As my boss explained, we enforce the Health Orders and directives, that, i think, came from a different route. I think that came from a mayors directive, and if my undering is correct, it was that, you know, peace officers found that there were gatherings at all of not all of these facilities that you mentioned, but these types of facilities, and somehow, that recommendation was made and accepted by the mayor, so that went into effect almost immediately. So we didnt really have a role to play in that. Obviously, if if we if we were given an opportunity to make recommendations, again, our focus would be hey, if they are properly socially distancing, if they are wearing facial coverings, we dont really have any issues with them staying open, just so long as the bevmos [inaudible]. Okay. Two more questions. Can you give us kind of a playbyplay, when you had to go to a business that had a covid positive case and how that interaction might happen . How a point of contact is found and if theres notices that have public and kind of what the order of operations in that is . And then, i can add my second question in there, too. So with the ventilation guidance that we see, its all guidance, right . Theres no mandatory prerequisites, right . Thats correct. Okay. Thank you. Just like we have a partnership with this committee, we also have a partnership with our other city agencies. So we dont do the epidemiologists part. Theyll reach out to the restaurant, and theyll do the interview, and theyll explain to them what they have to do. Theyll have to do the Contact Tracing, theyll email them the dox, and its the documentation, and its a pretty thorough educational process. Thats where the Environmental Health branch comes into play. We will then send our inspectors there, and theyre expecting us. Well fill the gaps. Well say hey, did you get this document . And theyll say no, i didnt, or hey, i need the spanish version or cantonese version. If we need a spanish speaker, we have five certified spanish speakers that can go into the mission, probably three or four certified cantonese speakers. Without one or the other, you leave yourself vulnerable with the information not being followed through. Very helpful. Thank you. Thank you. Commissioner yekutiel. Thank you very much, commissioner laguana. This is commissioner yekutiel. I have a set of questions about this, given the fact that i own a restaurant, and ive been waiting with bated breath to ask these questions. I have an inspector for my part of the mission, and shes been in the mission throughout the entirety of my time as a restaurant professional. She is so professional, she is so good at her job, but also, you could easily, as a health inspector, just not be nice, but she is nice. Shes actually more than nice. Like, she works with you, and she comes up with solutions, and i just have to say, so many of us in the mission, we have a great relationship with marisol because shes incredible. Okay. Thats marisol. One thing that im hearing from folks in the Restaurant Industry is trepidation of providing addresses and phone numbers. Is there a suggested way that you would use to ask for peoples phone number if they havent made a reservation in advance . Gotcha. Patrick, you want me to answer that . Sure, go for it. Yeah. I would agree with you 100 . Marisol is one of our best and young, smart, intelligent, very thorough inspectors, best of the best. Ill pass those kind words onto her. Ill agree with you, i think its going to be challenging. I dont want to sugarcoat it. Restaurant people are really good at customer service, and asking those questions is probably not in your comfort zone. One of the things that you have in your experience, if a customer brings in a dog, and youve had a restaurant for a while, you have to ask them, is that a Service Animal . I think i would frame this as its for the good of everyone, and Health Inspectors are going to have to ask these questions, too. Youre not singling anybody out, youre asking everybody these questions. Notwithstanding being a health inspector, id be subject to those questions, as well. When they say, why we want their phone number, we can say for Contact Tracing purposes . Its voluntarily, and thats kind of the way that yi would phrase it, and i think id put it in that light to any of your patrons, that its voluntary, but its in their best interest so if there was a positive case and a need to follow up, i would want to know that, and i would hope they would, as well. They dont have to provide it, and if they dont, thats up to them. Okay. Thank you, director. Where my restaurant is on the villa in the mission, a lot of patrons dont have access to touchless Payment Options. Is there a way to safely take in nontouchless payment . You know, do you think that thats a restriction thats going to be relaxed at any point . Just kind of wondering what the options are on the touchless Payment Options . There are some businesses that are only accepting cash, and theyve found it hard to transfer over to touchless. Well, just like my phone number, it is optional, and i think theres a law requiring San Francisco businesses receive cash payment. One complaint came in and said, the restaurant wouldnt accept my cash payment. So, you know, the inspector very nicely called the business. For example, marisol would call you and say hey, you have to let them pay by cash, and then, to the greater concern about safety, if you have a sanitizer pump there at the counter. Its like if i go to walgreens, i want that discount, so i punch in my number, and theres that pump sanitizer there. You can obviously keep yourself and your hands safe with options. Its not just discounts. Those walgreens points really add up. All about that walgreens phone number input. Next is [inaudible] entertainment in restaurants including televisions. Ive gotten some questions from Restaurant Owners that they cant have the televisions on so people arent screaming over each other. But what if you want to play televisions on silent with closed captions . I think you make a very valid, reasonable argument. But the City Attorneys position is well, you have people dining and leaving their mask off. They want to create a dining experience. Youre absolutely right there, that people could safely watch a soundless t. V. Screen and still leave in two hours, but i think it was to sequester the distractions of the dining experience. Okay. I have four more quickies. You talk about installing air filters, hepa filters as filtration. A lot of us have been going online, trying to find them, and a lot of them range from 200 to 2,000 or more. I think its confusing to figure out whats the right model or whats effective . Do you want to tackle this one . So the short answer is no. I have not seen a list that the city has. Unlike the e. P. A. Approved disinfectants, and theyve all been licensed and checked, and you can see pretty much what you should and should not be using. Now were kind of getting into new ground here with ventilation, and there just doesnt exist any list like that that, you know, thats been approved by a Regulatory Agency and is rated for different sized rooms and that sort of thing, so we are kind of breaking new ground there. I think the longer that this goes on, we may have a list someday, but that doesnt exist right now. I would encourage you, director, if you have any capacity which i know you dont right now theres a lot of companies trying to sell you something with a lot of bells and whistles, and a lot of us that dont have filtration systems, people are getting duped for thousands and thousands of dollars. Okay. The deescalation training, im so glad that you promote this. I know on valencia, theres some really, really amazing people that come to support our restaurants, and there are some people that just are plain nasty. They dont want to keep their mask on, they dont want to follow the rules, and we are putting our workers on the frontlines. I wonder if the city would be willing to provide deescalation training to restaurants that want it to help prepare our servers for interaction that require deescalation. You provide a website, but is the city willing to provide kind of, like, Onsite Service if requested . I think thats a great suggestion, and ive written it down. Let me look into that. We might be able to set it up. Its obviously going to be something thats like this, obviously, a zoom training, but we made available other online trainings, and i dont see any reason why we couldnt do this. Two more questions. A lot of the bar owners, and even some of the Restaurant Owners that serve cocktails, theyre kwusconfused about whae city considers a bona fide meal. I wonder if you guys would be willing to do some kind of like cheat sheet, you know, like you do for the compost bins or recycling bins about what represents a bona fide meal . I do think theres some confusion. Thats more of a comment than a question. Congress woman alexandria ocasiocortez got a rapid test today. If we were able to have massive deployment of rapid tests, you could conceivably have environment where people within a closed dining establishment, we would know the results within ten to 15 minutes. Is the city considering the deployment of rapid tests as it apply to s applies to other forms of dining . I have not heard that question. I think thats another intriguing idea. The situation is fluid and constantly evolving. If you asked me last year if there was any way we could test 533,000 san franciscans by this point in the pandemic, i wouldnt have thought that would be possible. So things i didnt think were possible have become possible. So that kind of testing specific for an industry, why not, but i have not heard that discussed yet, but again, an intriguing idea. Thank you so much. I really appreciate your answers to my questions. Thank you. Are there any other commissioner questions . I dont see any. So couple questions of my own. The clusters in food establishments, are we talking primarily about workers or are you also getting reports of diners having clusters . Yeah, you can go ahead and respond to that, terry, but its my understanding that its been workers. Terry, is that correct . Yes. So i think its Important Information for the public that we arent really seeing any substantial clusters of numbers of dining related to the public. Im sure you got the c. D. C. Report that came out of that study that showed roughly 50 of the covid positive it was a small sample set, like 400 people, but it said that 50 dined at a restaurant. It didnt look at indoor or Outdoor Dining, or whether it was a highvolume area or not. So i think its important to hear from you guys, since youre on the frontlines of this. I know that there has been nervousness from some in the community about even Outdoor Dining. So as we tackle this next step, i think its really important to highlight that were not seeing clusters of diners in my measurable quality. Thats not to say it doesnt exist, but its really relevant because i think if it was a significant source of transmission, you guys would have seen or heard of it or it would have crossed your desk if it was happening in broad numbers. Does that sound right to you . Yeah, that sounds right. They do do all that Contact Tracing, and they look for where paths have crossed, and and then, they extrapolate from that for, you know, things like like the situation where you have workers all in the same kitchen together. So if we had peoples whose paths were all crossing, doing a hobby or spending time in a spent, those would be a light would be shined on that, for sure. Okay. And thank you for bringing that up. Also, i just wanted to say, as an aside, i could not agree with you more on the colors. How did purple become i mean, like, prince. Purple should be, like, the best color. So any ways, the 1700 complaints that you received to date, these are you went into that a little bit, but how much or what percentage of these complaints are actually returning into violations . I know that the department commendably has taken an education and coaching approach versus a punitive approach towards business as we all learn how to operate with the new normal. But to what degree the coaching is not working anymore, and its an actual violation or citation being issued, are you seeing that, too . Yeah. I think kind of what were seeing is a few things. As the pandemic has worn on, peoples feelings about what theyre being asked to do and the restrictive nature of anything, its become increasingly more difficult the longer the things go on. I think primarily what we end up responding to as an endorsement issue are violators that are willful. So theyre choosing to, you know, this is im going to run my business this way for x, y, and z reasons, and you cant stop me. And those are the ones that end up going down a path that will ultimately result in some sort of enforcement being taken against them. That is a small percentage of the ones that we see. By and large, people want to do the right thing, and when theyre instructed on how to do that or given the resources for how to do that, most people want to comply. But there is a percentage, and its a small percentage that, for whatever reason, theyre trying to skirt the law or theyre just being obstinate and saying im not going to do that. Would you agree with that, terry . I agree with that, yeah. Great. So next, a couple of questions about ventilation. I have a keen interest in this first because i think the more we learn about the virus, that seems to be the primary source of transmission. Second, you know, as restaurants start to open, i want them to be able to continue to stay open, and, of course, if we start to see a resurgence, particularly as we enter into this vulnerable winter period, that has an impact not just on the restaurants but also the entire Small Business community, so i think its really important that we get this right and that we communicate well to the community industry, and that i guess we all get on the same page about this. So, i guess my first question is with respect to ventilation, you know, i see guidance about fanning and opening windows. I see guidance about filters, you know, the merv13 standard. But im a little curious. I mean, ultimately, arent we essentially wanting a certain amount of air movement or air exchange, and, i mean i dont know for a fact. Im not an hvac guy but whether its b. T. U. S or something else, shouldnt there be a way to measure the amount of air movement through a space . Just what i see right now is heres a few things you can do to update your hvac system, and also, you might think about opening up the windows and putting up some fans. But what seems to be lacking is heres a standard that you need to reach or adhere to. I dont know if youre working towards that or the science isnt there yet. Im just curious how youre thinking about that. Yeah, no, i completely hear what youre saying, and i think, yeah, youre right about the science. You know, air transmission, which is why Outdoor Dining has been so popular and i think the appropriate first step. So were moving indoors and moving to a new territory, and just what youre describing are all factors that need to be considered along with just the very different sort of setups that these restaurants have. Some of them have very few windows, if any, especially if youre talking about bars and that sort of thing. Some of them are below grade. Some of them have very elaborate systems, some of them have very old forcedair systems. Its hard to say this is going to be the standard when, i think for a lot of businesses, that standard may require significant upgrades and investment and capital to make changes. So i think the way that im viewing this is sort of incremental. Were taking steps, and that might be coming at some point, where we actually are able to provide guidelines about what are the appropriate air filtration, you know, sort of systems that you can buy off the shelf, depending on the size of your room, you know, versus having a standard around air flow that would be appropriate for reducing the transmission of this disease. Gro i dont thi i dont thin there yet, and we may be ready to take that step at a future date. Theres just a whole lot of factors involved, and its going to be a difficult decision to make for everybody. I. You know, if youre not having fans going or if you dont have windows, then you must have an hvac system with x amount of exchange, and perhaps just have an arbitrary number just to establish some minimum effort on behalf of our friends in the Restaurant Industry, only from my perspective so we can keep going on this path that were going, and keep staying open. Im worried that there are folks there that will say well, thats the guidance, but its just if i want to, and im concerned about that aspect of that. When people do Indoor Dining, do you send inspectors to review what theyre doing or talk it over with them or is it, you know, on a your own reconnaissance kind of thing . I think a little of both. You know, if we had all 7,000 restaurants come to us at once, we probably wouldnt be able to handle the influx. Thats why we provide the ability to reach out to us. Commissioner, one thing for consideration, i think for all the things that you and the director mentioned, we like to point out the weakness of that ventilation part, but its not really the strongest part of the new directive, but i would say its one part of because of all the new things mentioned, because of austin t a all the variables, its hard to set a standard. We focus on the variables that we did understand and could control, which is the 25 , because the other one is almost its almost a dog chasing its tail. So many things change restaurant to restaurant. That number is a set number that runs across every restaurant. In some ways, thats the main were hanging our hat on that. We dont want to have the rule back. Yeah, right. And i cant emphasize enough, like, im certainly not advocating to make it harder for our friends in the Restaurant Industry, but just making sure that were doing what we can to continue down this path to we can get to 50 and 100 open. Thats where my heart is at, so i just want to make it clear that thats where im coming from. So thats all my questions. I dont see any other commissioner questions lined up, so do we have any Public Commenters on the line . Clerk there is no one with their hand raised at this time. Okay. Seeing there are no Public Commenters, Public Comment is closed. Commissioners, are there any last questions or comments or feedback before we close this item . Okay. Seeing none, gentleman, thank you for all of your work. I think one thing that we can be happy about is that we are progressing and improving the city. And i think as dr. Aragon pointed out at the last meeting that we had with him, we are the largest city and the most successful for controlling the pandemic for a city our size. Weve really done a phenomenal job, and you guys are clearly at the frontlines for making that happen, and we are clearly grateful to all of your efforts for making that happen, and we are also deeply appreciative of those inspectors who are helping us get to the other side. Thank you so much for everything you do, and if we can be of assistance in the few tr, donfew future, thank yplease cont. Thank you for being here. Thank you for having us. Thank you. Okay. Item 4. Clerk covid 149 Economic Impact survey. Presentation on survey seeking to gather information regarding the impact that coved 149 has had on the locate of economy and Small Businesses, suggestion item. Presenter is professor anoshua chaudhuri, chair of the department of economics, San Francisco State University. Im so excited about this. Professor chaudhuri, you have the floor. Please make your presentation. Good evening, everyone. Its a pleasure to be here, and i would like to thank commissioner dooley for initiating this item. We have been talking about this for a few months now, and, you know, the heart really is what is going on at the local level. We have a lot of level at the National Level, but the main idea is to dive deep into the ground story of San Francisco. So id like to share some slides, if i could get that option. Coming at you very shortly. While we are waiting for that, i just want to introduce myself. Ive been at San Francisco state for 17 years. Im a professor in the economics chair. My current profession is health economics. This is my living lab right now, and, you know, i mostly work on the impact of Health Policy on individuals lives and health outcomes, but economics, you know, you can ask any question and it would fall within the realm of economics, right . So looking at my slides. Can everybody see this . We can. So the point is, what is the local story . That is what we want to get at . I just have four slides. Im not going to spend a lot of time on this. I want to spend more time on the questions, getting your thoughts. But what i want to start with is what we know from Research Done so far. This is a wide variety of research that weve drawn on. The first one is by an conne economist at u. S. Santa cruz. He found that in the first two months after we went into shelter in place, there was a 22 drop in Small Business owners in the united states, and this disproportionately affected minority and womenowned Small Businesses. They d they found only 35 of the Small Businesses are actually what they would rate as healthy, and they took a very conservative estimate of health, being two months worth of operational possibilities, whatever that would be. Covering costs, but to be able to survive two months. There was another survey that went out on facebook in a Small Business roundtable. The two most important things that Small Businesses are worried about cash flow and lack of demand. The businesses affected the most are hotels, cafes, dining, and all these businesses that have just opened up in San Francisco after six months. A lending tree study in july looked at they did a survey and they found San Francisco with the grimmest outlook of all major u. S. Cities. They put the number of businesses that would never recover at 16 . A similar yelp study came out studying the San Francisco bay area, and between march 1 and july 15, there was 2500 business that had closed, and San Francisco is fourth in the nation with business cloners. So if you look at this, you have many questions. First of all, a lot of this is at the National Level, and a lot of it, we dont know whos the sample are these localized . So where is the San Francisco story . Its so we wanted to get a little bit deeper, and we started asking questions. So we started talking to Small Businesses on the ground, and this is anecdotal, but this is what we heard from our conversations. San francisco i think its a question of evolving through these uncertain times. So in that spirit, theres been a lot of inconsistencies in approval of fees and taxes. Some businesses arent even looking at these bills. Some businesses have complained that the sidewalks and public spaces arent being cleaned on the weekends, when they need it the most. Street street encampments in parking are actually keep people way. They actually need grants and small payment release, and then, increased operations to comply with covid regulations is a burden. And some businesses that have had to revert to other forms of delivery and business, they need help. They dont know how to do this quite. So these are the things that we learned from our conversations on the ground, and im sure this is not new to any of you. Im sure youre hearing the same. So what knowledge are we missing to form policy . First, a lot of the findings are findings at the National Level if you take census surveys and population surveys. We need to know the local context, which sectors need help. I was here the last hour, and you went over the unemployment numbers, and the Restaurant Industry has been hit hard, but lets not forget there are other Specialty Retail that are also hurting. The gift stores and book stores and Hardware Stores and other things that people use a lot. We also we also want to know, what are the best resilient businesses, what are they looking for . What do they need to survive . And then, what [inaudible] on unemployment thats happening . And finally, to look ahead, if recovery is slow, were already six months into this. We have no idea where the end will be. What is this going to have what impact is this going to have on our downtown, on our neighborhoods in San Francisco . So what are going to be all the indirect and the spillover effect of whats going on right now . So thats really where we are. Our team is really myself, and i got excited about this and interested in the spirit of giving back to the community. A lot of my research is currently, you know, about the community. And i come up with questions with my community partners. I have a student working with me. Shes an indian student, and a lot of this has been in consultation with commissioner [inaudible] so i want to see if you have any questions. If not, i will go over the questionnaire. I sent a draft out for you to look at, and maybe we could go over there and see if these questions make sense. And we go over the questions and see what ideas and thoughts you might have. So first, professor, i want so say thank you so i want to say thank you so much. I we can relate to that public service, because were super generous, as well. With respect to the questionnaire, perhaps i missed it. I dont know how that was distributed, but we do get a bunch of emails. Its possible i overlooked it. Now it was in the agenda. Got it. Okay. I guess im supposed to look at the agenda now, is that the expectation . No. I might i might be able to bring it up. Domenica, would you like to give me the share option again . Clerk yes. And ive added a few things, so id like to share the most recent. You know, one thing i just wanted to add, you know, just as another thing to add to your research, because i do to clarify, im imagining this being the beginning of a conversation that were going to have over perhaps the next few months that this project and im very grateful to commissioner huie to be setting up. But one thing or data source that you can add to the existing research, theres a website called tracktherecovery. Org. I dont know if youve seen that or are familiar with it. Yes. Okay. It is interesting because you can look at this county level data and run chart countylevel data and run charts. I dont know how accurate the data is, but harvard brown, bill gates foundation, my assumption is its reasonably good. Yes. Please, lets go through the questionnaire. Okay. So im not completely sure how you want this to go out, and so this first part is really a place holder. Its something that i would like some discussion on, but there is a certainly amount of graf 2k3w gravitas if it went out not from researchers at San Francisco State University but the Small Business commission. Businesses are looking for guidance, theyre looking for help. Theyre fatigued with numerous measures that theyve taken, and i dont apeople will be as interested in contributing to Research Knowledge as they are in how this is going to help them. Id like to put that out there, and with that, lets go through the questions. So these are some demographic questions that we came up with based on our conversations with business owners. And a lot of the census questions dont get the into this this much detail. A question that i added today was do you need a license to operate, but before that, its the usual zip code, gender type of business. What kind of people frequent this business . And again, this was developed with our conversations with business owners. Also, looking at a little bit of comparative analysis of all these questions that are to come next, Small Businesses who operate in San Francisco versus they have branches in other counties, that could tell us that San Francisco is doing the right thing or they need to improve. So thats the question there, is to have that comparative analysis. And and then, we dive into an overall effect, but breaking down and initially, we had taken the census date of march 134, but cynthia and i discussed and said its more appropriate to have the stayathome order in San Francisco and cut it off a off march 17. So this is related to how the business was operating before the pandemic, and then, how many employees, and what has happened since march 17. So was there a change in operating revenues, sales receipts . Did the business do any of the following . Since march 17, did this business have a change in the number of paid employees . Increase or no change . And then, as we opened up businesses in a safe manner relative to one year ago, how would you describe this business current operating capacity . So is the capacity theres no wchange or is it less than 50 or more than 50 , has increased 50 or more, and so im getting some of those metrics . And then, in the last month, did this business rehire any paid employees . And so yes, no, and did they layoff any paid employees. In the last month, was this business affected by any of the follow, and select all that apply so we are able to find relatively which ones are the most commonly the ones that are commonly chosen by businesses. So this is ability to rehire. Ive heard, and i think the jobs now discussion kind of related to this, that a lot of businesses or restaurants, especially, its hard for them to find employees, and especially now, with the workers that they had to layoff, its hard for them to find people and bring them back. And this is disproportionately affecting ethnic restaurants that typically hire undocumented workers, and theyre gone. Its hard to track them down. Ability of employees to work, ability of employees to work from home, physical distancing, available p. P. E. , need for new licenses or permits, confusing a lot of programs, availability of covid regulations, availability of other supplies or imports. In the last month, was this Business Sales affected by any of the following . Competition from businesses outside your county. Some other counties may open earlier, so maybe San Francisco businesses lost some of the competition. Not enough business in San Francisco, lack of cleanliness, confusing opening guidelines. I had to turn away customers who refused to follow rule does. This is one that were hearing quite a bit. Increase in the cost of parking, homelessness, closed streets, lack of parking, delays in getting permits and approvals. Would you describe the current availability of cash on hand . So this is the Financial Health questions. Has this business missed any loan payments . Has this business missed any other scheduled payments which could be rent, utilities, payroll . And then, has this business requested Financial Assistance from any of the following sources . And this is a laundry list, and i think that this laundry list is also a way to educate some of the businesses. Do we do all of them know that these things exist, and so we would we have a question later, asking if they have heard of or where do they get this information from . And then, we break this down into federal assistance versus local assistance. And has there been any change in this business use of forms of delivery. And then, some planning ahead questions. Do you think this business will need to do any of the following . So this is i think when we learn some of these things, we may be able to connect businesses to these types of programs and resources. And then, yeah, the expectation of how how much time do you think . This is how optimistic are businesses feeling about this . So we want to know what their optimism, pessimism is. And then, how has this business getting all this information . I have an openended question there, and then, a few scale questions where business feels supported by the local merchant community, the business feels that people are shopping locally and supporting us, the businesses feels that the city is doing a good job in supporting Small Businesses, and then, if the business feels that San Francisco is a good place to do Small Business. And then, two openended questions there. If they can tell us what kind of assistance would help is u sustain them, and then any other information that they would want to provide that didnt get captured in the previous questions. So thats really where the survey is. Im always trying and debating with the length of a survey, how long it takes to take a survey, survey fatigue, and we want good quality data. We want everybody to answer the questions and not leave holes, so thats, again, an important task. We are not we havent completely decided this is going to be the order of the questions. Thats going to be another iteration, so what feels like. And sometimes, there are validationrelated questions. You want to ask a question in a certain way that you can validate that the business is really paying attention to this, and theyre not just clicking away. So those kinds of things, we cant gotten to. But i just you know, cynthia and i have gone back and forth on these questions and would love your feedback and love to hear what you have for us. I just cant commend you enough. Thats a fascinating and exhaustive set of questions, and i mean that in the best possible way. Before we get to any questions, commissioner huie, do you want to offer any additional observations or what you experienced . For sure. Sorry. This is my first time speaking in a little while. I just want to say, commissioner laguana, for encouraging this conversation and for having this on our agenda tonight. And i wanted to thank the rest of the commissioners for your support on my interest in wanting to find out more information and more and to actually do a formal kind of data seeking. And of course, i wanted to thank professor chaudhuri and her research assistant. Weve worked really hard on just making just trying to get as much understanding around what we were seeing because things continue to move and evolve. Theres Different Things coming out from different data sectors, with ybut really stay focused on that lens of San Francisco itself, and looking at how our city is going to be recovering in the next few months. I was blown away with that presentation. I thought that was amazing, so thank you very much for really bringing so much information for us to really be able to think about. One of the things that i wanted to encourage the commissioners with tonight is really that, you know, this is all its very open. You know, so, you know, i think weve talked about were very open to, you know, looking at how best to gather the data, but also doesnt want to go out in one giant survey, you know . I think something the commission could do is think about regular data gathering and how that works into our infrastructure . So i think this is kind of, like, the beginning, and we are just really hoping for, you know, ideas and comments on how to pak thmake that a really va piece or tool for our policy advocacy. So i think those were my main kind of header pieces, and im really excited and happy to hear all of your comments. Well, thank you again. This is really incredible, and it feels like the start of Getting Better data, which i think is going to be really helpful for all of us. Commissioner zouzounis. Thank you, professor, and thank you, commissioner huie. Real great stuff. Real comprehensive. The only things that i would like to add or ask a question about, i think and ive expressed this before. Something i think the purview of this survey in terms of how we can best utilize the data is we want to collect information that we can actually asupply legislatively, whatever form it takes that can actually be in the control of San Francisco in terms of what we have at our disposal. And one question that i would like to add, is have any city, state, or federal laws unrelated to covid19 impacted your business this year or since that march 17 date . Because we need we need to [inaudible] regulatory changes havent stopped, unrelated. I mean, they just made a ban of a whole product category for the state of california, flavored tobacco, which is largely going to impact essential businesses in the immigrant community. So weve also been getting tipped off that some expense some expenditures that are a result of city specific ordinances are not being, you know, calculated in forgiveness for example, p. P. E. So we need to start to be able to track any laws out of covid that might be impacting Small Businesses at this time. And then, the second thing on the scaled questions, the first one, the scale of onetofive questions, i would recommend changing that to local merchant organizations specifically because we also know [inaudible] i had a question. What exactly do you mean by social insurance . People have already applied for eidls and ppps. They dont want anymore loans. How are they going to payback if theyre not generating any revenue . So thats the kind of i know we are all hurting. Theres limited amount of money, but this is the idea of, you know, if we dont support now, we might see really bad spillover effects a year from now, and we are not anticipating that. And this is why we want to preempt that stuff and give the relief and give the support now. But i cannot come in and say that this is the kind of stuff we want to give. We should tell the tbusinesses that this is the kind of information that drives that advocacy, once we learn the ontheground story. Well, we certainly try. Commissioner adams im sorry. Commissioner zouzounis, were you done . Yes, thank you, and thank you for your responses. When we do these surveys, its not to do them all at once, and spreading out and maybe targeting it. And starting out at different segments. This is how were going to get some real Important Information, how we move forward here in the next, you know, year, if not longer. If you do it all at once, youre not going to get a good take on it. You need to spread it out. How we do it, i dont know. These questions are excellent. You know, im hoping that things are going to get better, but im hoping from a lot of people that it isnt. This will help us be proactive rather than reactive. And these questions, this couldnt happen at a better time. The sooner we get this out to groups in segments, the better. This is something so, so important, and commissioner huie, thank you for pushing this. This is good. [please stand by]. Later in this hearing, in new business, i think well be exploring some of the commissions goals for the next six months and what our focus should be. I did want to mention it because i did mention it during the hearing, we have placed a pretty big priority on shared spaces and restaurants because of the number of people affected, but we have also had hearings about sperpersonal services and gym businesses. I did not want to imply that we were not paying attention to other sectors. So with that, i think the next steps are the commission needs to develop priorities over the next six months, and i think thatll inform what kinds of things we can target with the survey, and then, with respect to coordinating with Business Associations, and commissioner dooleys suggestion, i think thats an excellent suggestion, and i know we all have relationships with Business Associations that we can help facilitate that. And certainly, i think i agree with you, that if its seen as an official Commission Work product, but being distributed through the various Business Associations, hopefully, well get a little more buyin and also, quite frankly, well get Higher Quality data because well know the folks coming to us will be through vetted channels, and its not just some random google form on the internet that just anybody can answer. So i think this is extraordinary and excellent work, and i cant wait to push the ball down the road a little bit farther. Our next hearing is jam packed, so i would say scheduling wise, lets look to reconvene in november, either the first or second meeting in november, schedule permitting, and well hopefully by that point, as a commission, well have a sense of, you know, do we want to target a specific sector or a specific size, and how does how will the output of the survey help us turn that into Measurable Results better in line with our priorities . And, of course, there may be legislation that emerges, too, that just throws everything out the window, and now, all of a sudden, were dealing with the legislation, and thats now top of mind. That seems to happen a lot in our universe. So with that, any other commissioner comments or questions or reactions to what i just said . Are we good . Commissioner huie, are we good . Yeah. Actually, i wanted to follow up on those things. I think those are really good comments, and i feel that i can help with the time between now and november with, you know, developing kind of, you know, some sort of framework around how we can break things apart with professor chaudhuri. Yeah. And we can also i also want to think a little bit about outreach. I, of course, love all of our merchants associations, but ive also noticed what commissioner zouzounis has mentioned is there are many people not connected in those types of networks, so figuring out a way to actually, like, get people in stores, you know, and actually spending time walking into businesses. So i want to spend a little bit of time doing that. Commissioner dooley. Just one thing. When ive tried to get these surveys done, people want to know how they can transmit this information . And im also wondering if youre going to have paper surveys that can be gathered and mailed . Because i personally find when gathering information, not a lot of these businesses are going to like having someone bring a computer to them, so i guess i want to make sure we cover as many people as possible, so i really urge a paper option that we could, say, a Business Association could gather and send somewhere like a Business Association. Let me ask you a question, commissioner dooley. When we did this in the past, previous to my time on the commission, did we do that in the past . We sent things out in the past. This is a survey we wanted to take about vacancies, business vacancies, how long things had been vacant in the neighborhood, and we thought that maybe that maybe would make some comments on that, but it was not particularly successful just because i feel that people just didnt bother to answer. Well, you know, well continue to push the ball forward. Commissioner huie, im glad that youre willing to continue working on this. I think myself and Vice President zouzounis can continue to coordinate with you offline and, you know, if theres an opportunity to move faster, im happy to take it just because i think that data sooner rather than later is helpful in this time. So i also want to say, you know, that were not obligated to wait longer periods of time if we can develop strategy. May i Say Something . Yeah, please. So, you know, in terms of survey research and this is im putting my researcher hat on here. In internet surveys, weve seen that a good Response Rate is about 40 . Youre never going to get 100 , never ev never, ever, and if you know people really well, you might get 70 . If we can start with a large sample, like, if we have 25,000 businesses that we have email addresses for, and we get 40 to respond, that would be a really good baseline survey. We dont want to lose too much time in gathering that baseline data because who knows . In a months time, i dont want to say anything, but maybe we go back indoors, and