For up to three minutes on any matter within the commissions jurisdiction and does not appear on the agenda. Speakers shall address their remarks to the commission as a whole and not individual commissioners or personnel. Commissioners are not to enter into debate or discussion with the speaker. The lack of a response by the commissioners or Department Personnel does not necessarily constitute agreement with or support of statements made during Public Comment. Thank you very much, madame secretary. At this time, is there any member of the public that wishes to give Public Comment . Seeing none, Public Comment is closed. Madame secretary. Item 3 approval of the minutes discussion and possible action to approve the Meeting Minutes of september 11, 2019. Thank you. On the agenda of approval of the minutes is there any member of the public that wishes to give Public Comment . Seeing none, Public Comment is closed. Any discussion or questions for the commissioners . I move to approve, mr. President. Its been moved by commissioner cleveland. And i see Vice President covington. I was going to move it but i second it. Thanks very much, Vice President and seconded by commissioner hardeman. Without objection call for the question all in favor say aye. Aye. Thank you very much. The motion is passed. Madame secretary. Item 4 chief of administrations report report from Administration Deputy chief jose velo, report on administrative divisions facility status and updates finance, support services and training within the department. Before we do that, chief welcome. Welcome, chief wyrsch sitting in the chiefs spot. Thank you very much. Chief velo. Vice president , commissioners, good morning, chief wyrsch jose velo administration, this is my Commission Report for the month of august, 2019. As ive done in the past few months i give you a comprehensive report for my division and bureaus. Im going to give you you a highlight report. On the matters im involved in, we are still meeting and we have the committees that we have formed and in june of this year, have been meeting regularly now regularly reporting. Weve been reporting minutes for the meeting coming up to the headquarters so we are pleased with how the members are involved in the process of creating new policies procedures and other things that are going on like that and more and more meetings are announced every day. So we are pleased with that. And my role is to coordinate to make sure that the persons working on meet the standards and communicate with the facility and process with them too. Im working on several projects with my different bureaus. We are working on the location of the training facility. We have meetings with the chief of the department and we are moving forward on this. We know its high priority for us and we are moving forward and trying to find a good location for it. So hopefully by next year with the bond measure we have some progress on it. But we are moving forward and we identified some sides that could be a potential for us so we are looking forward to that. The project, we are working with chief dewitt and the captain for the aws part of that project. As you know we are requiring we had the presentation last week that we are requiring to install awss piping on this project. And our goal is to have all new developments come up with this and paid by the developer. And the city will attach to our system and make sure we have secondary protection for these projects so thats one that has come up recently and we are working on that too. One of the main goals of administration is to make sure we have a good Succession Plan for future officers to be there. We have been in contact with different vendors to produce training for us, come into the department and start working on that. Im in contact with several vendors that can do this and come to us. Chief officer in training, we are trying to develop classes with the chief Training Division to come up with more officer training. We are looking at a range of topics, bill of rights, investigations training, so forth. So we want to develop this continuous training for the new promoted officers and chief officers to continue this too. So we really had a lot of focus on this for the future of the department. Training division, we continue with the training, we started on july 1 its going to go through november. We have the captain attend every training so far. We started to incorporate station 49 with this training. We trained 61 members this month so far 107 so thats great progress to get these trained in different topics of the department and be more involved so i want to thank the ems Training Division that is helping with this. So far for our members this month in august we trained 222 with a total of 149 members trained on active shooter. And i sent you to the drill we had in june and we just saw that for too so thank you for that. Recruit training, we have a new recruit captain that was selected by the chief. We completed the oneyear testing for the 134th class. We continue to do testing for the 125th and we are getting to start with the 126th. We will start on october 7. Projected collaboration will be february 28 of 2020 so we have selected all the members for that class and they are ready to go and the division is getting ready for that. Today they selected interviews for the new training lieutenants that are going to help the other class so looking forward to that for the other class. Another thing working hard on training. Some of the things they do, they had an event with them. And we also had train the trainers, approximately 12 members from the department became new instructors. So every year the captain trains a class so we have more members in the department and young members being involved in this training for them to develop and give to the community so we receive the young folks coming in and being a part of that. Our bureau of planning, we are getting close to the balancing thats coming up in the next few days. We completed the vacancy for station 49 that was september 4 we finished that. So members we have a new tour and we believe this new process and new shift process will alleviate some of the gaps we had in the system for coverage so thats going to help a lot too. The chief was extremely busy with this. Station 35. Its going to start october 1 delayed a week or so. On the 14th we are going to have on the pier, on the eighth we are going to have the parking area near pier 24. Its going to be a demolition. Next year they have some issues with the migration and things that we have to do this work now otherwise we have to hire a biologist to do this so we are on track with this but its going to happen. Station 49 facilities, its only a two week delay so far but its making Good Progress as you can see from the process and its within budget. Apparatus the standards the central this week. Actually had a meeting about an hour ago given that this is high priority for the department and we are going to streamline this process. A factory in louisiana to inspect the new trucks. They found issues they are going to address, the way the ladders step, they are going to correct that. Thats why we do just one make sure it meets our standards, correct whatever needs to be corrected and continue to build the rest of them so this is a better process, make sure we get what we want. And we have the new budgets that are coming in, going to be in place. As far as stations generally for 219 coming for 214 we are procuring contractorses. The Public Safety bond, it will start in 2020. The apparatus project, we have the stations that are being affected right now and we completed the reparations for the showers in station 19 and 33. We have as you may know already a new Health Safety and wellness chief chief parks is a new member thats taking the role and she started two days ago on monday. Already very busy. We have given her a lot of projects to work on. Some of the things she is working on right now we had a meeting with the Behavioral Health unit, she is going to be overseeing this unit and making sure that it meets the standards that we need. We want to make an argument to grow this unit because we need to grow and make sure it is functioning properly. Weve been having discussions about the Health Check Program restoration. We want to make sure that we have all the players in place 798 the office and chief parks involved in this office so make sure we go back to the members and offer the health check which is something we need to do. One of the things we also are doing is the Injury Report used too good to chief wyrsch and go to hr so now chief park is going to analyze that data, what kind of injuries do you see more common happening where all those things, so we can address some of those issues, whether its training equipment or whatever so we can focus on that so that process is going to change a little bit but from that information we can do education or equipment changes if needed for that. If we see too many ankle injuries for any month we can see whats going on and address that when we inspect the apparatus. If we see other things happening with gurneys we can address that too so we are going to get some good data and focus on the health of the members so i think thats a good project. Community events in the last month or so we had station 49, 42, this is something we are doing on a frequent basis in district 10. They do a stop the bleed and hands on cpr with the community. They go out there and this is done on a regular basis. One of them we had this month. Thank you for commissioners for those of you who attended the september 11 that happened the morning of the last meeting. It was a wellattended event. As you recall from the stair climb we had there too and some of you attended fire 101 thats an event some of you put together. I want to commend the commissioners. So thank you for attending fire 101. We put you through the ringer if i may say, so that was good. So i wanted to let you know this saturday we have the womens group is putting together a very nice event they do every year. Its two days, saturday and subbed, norcal girls firefighter camp. The chief is going to be there too so you are invited to show up if you want to be there. Its a great event and all the participants really enjoy that. And that concludes my report. And im happy to answer any questions you may have, commissioners. Thank you very much, chief. At this point we will call Public Comment on chief velos report. Any member of the public wishes to approach, please do so. Seeing none, Public Comment is closed. Commissioners i see commissioner. Thanks for your report. In regards to the new health and safety chief how does that how is that going to work as far as hierarchy is concerned with the doctors that the department employs . So as you know the commission oversees the Doctors Office and the goal for the new chief is to communicate collaborate and gain information from the Doctors Office in regards to health issues, injury issues and so forth. So they are going to work together. The chief is going to work in my Administration Division and is going to be collaboration sharing information as far as how much they can get because we have the concern about raw data and information we are getting so thats basically the goal of this office. So you mentioned bringing back the wellness program, thats the program that does regular checks on firefighters. Correct. Where has that program been . So there was issues in the past, a few years back there were concerns with the members that the data they were getting directly reported to the Doctors Office and they were afraid that was going to put them out of service or whatever. So they had concerns then the program started to go the wrong direction because members were not showing up and we were being charged for that visit that was not scheduled because they were afraid of what was going to happen with the data. So our goal is to have a conversation with them for the health of the members the benefit of the members and then we dont want, we want aggregate data thats going to give us a picture of the Fire Department. And the member has to talk to their own doctor to get the issues that can be addressed that identify on the exam with the visit they do with the clinic. So we are going to start with that. The funding is there so thats the good news. We are doing it but we owe it to our members to make sure they do it. I think theres legitimate concerns the members have about their private information that is shared or their ability to earn. I think thats a big deal. But i think times have changed when it comes to both physical and mental health. And i think that this new physician is critical to building that trust level because obviously the members didnt trust the department enough with the information which is why they werent coming forward. I get it. I probably wouldnt have either. But this position is going to be critical in building up that trust to make sure that the information is used appropriately and not to disqualify people because it will fail from the beginning if the that trust isnt there. So im happy to see that. I looked into your report and i see that you have reports, for example, about how many, i think this is under the doctors report. How many random drug and alcohol testings. You know, this is the kind of thing in postaccident tests, this is the kind of thing the department is doing proactive to make sure its members arent doing something wrong. I think what i would really like to see in the future, i dont object to these because its important members arent drinking on the job. What i would like to see is a report about how many people have voluntarily come up and done this testing that the department has offered and what information we are gaining from that. And the third step being how we are using that information to better this department. Right. I think that is one thing that we do an amazing job in this department at saving the lives of the public. I think we do a terrible job im just going to say it because i think its true of fending for ourselves and taking care of ourselves. And it is at the to the detriment of our members, historically over the years, we are seeing it in cancers and suicides and all sorts of Different Health issues that we are getting as firefighters and i think that we have a real opportunity to change that. I know that cal fire has gotten a lot of money from the State Government on this issue, especially with mental health, and i believe that they can be a resource as well to help us with the structure of what the new health and Safety Department should look like. But i think we have real opportunity to do some proactive stuff and i also think that the fire ops thing that commissioner, Vice President covington and i went through two weeks ago was amazing on two different levels. One, its the type of thing that should be done before a budget and not after a budget because all the ledge lawmakers were shocked by it. The other lesson for me at least when you put a civilian through Something Like that, when we went into the burning building i thought to myself is this really the right type of equipment that we should be going into buildings with, because its so heavy, its confining, you cant see anything. Its like you guys are going into these fires with your arms tied behind your back and especially for smaller people like myself, its a lot of weight. And its a lot on a person going into these buildings so it made me think are we using equipment that is 21st Century Equipment or are we holding onto equipment buzz we have these traditions in San Francisco . And thats an important question we should be asking ourselves because we should be a state of the Art Department respecting our history but a state of the Art Department. Some of our equipment is outdated and old so the Department Needs to be looking at that type of thing. In regards to station 35, i echo your sentiments in regards to a biologist ill say what everybody is thinking you get down there and get the piers pulled before they get down there because it will be another excuse to delay another delay the city throws at us. Pull the piers out of the water before that guy shows up. Very important. Thats the goal. I think thats it for now. Are we going to get another report or is this the only item . Because there is something i want to say about the drones and why dont i just say it now . We had an incident last weekend where we lost a Police Officer here in San Francisco. We had to call on a neighboring county for a drone to come in and help us search for that officer. That is an embarrassment to the city and it frankly it angered me. Im not saying the department is at fault because we have been moving forward. I have been, chief cochrane is doing a great job with this but now theres another city obstacle and its a joke. We got to get through it. We put Police Officers and firefighters in danger by not having these drones. And thats my original comment that i made earlier. We are doing a terrible job of taking care of ourselves because this is one tool that will help us in the end. It will help firefighters, help the public but it also helps us by allowing us not to put ourselves into certain positions certain dangerous positions that we voluntarily do because we do our job really well. But its a disgrace we didnt have our own drone out there looking for this fallen officer. And im embarrassed by it because i take responsibility for this. Ive been asking about this for three years and obviouslily im not pushing the right buttons in this city to get it done but its embarrassing. It really is embarrassing. This should be a 21st Century Department with all the tools that we need and the fact that we have to call on the neighbor is embarrassing. Its not a criticism of you or this department its a citywide thing and its just something that should have been fast tracked from day one. I should have just gone out and bought drones and delivered them to fire stations because i know you would use them because we dont have a policy but i didnt do that and i gave this department a chance to get it done and i understand there are a bunch of city roadblocks. We have to kick down the doors and get these damn drones into the Fire Department to save lives. I cannot be more serious about it. This weekend was another example of how inept this this city is at getting things done, stuff that is very important. Thank you chief for your report. I appreciate it. Onward. Thank you very much, commissioner veronese. Commissioner cleveland . My comments will be tame in relation to our previous commissioners comments. The Wellness Checkup program that you are going to institute, is that going to be mandatory so each member of the Fire Department is going toff a Wellness Checkup annually in the future . That is the goal, commissioner. We feel strongly that weve had conversations with the members involve and our philosophy is if we start going to the program the more we get out and the more folks we get there. Youll gain is what you are saying so it will start out as voluntarily and then it will mandatory. As it was previously but wasnt complied with with. Those workgroups you put together, how many different workgroups do you have . Would you say 20. Between 15 and 20, yeah. The key ones would you say are the top three key ones . The Disaster Committee is one of them. We have several ems workers too leadership and ems groups. We have mutual aid, apparatus equipment Action Review Committee rules and regulations, revised rules and regulations. They are the important for the department to move forward. Do you have like 150 members of the department involved . 225. Thats impressive. It is. Thats impressive. You talked about overall officer and chief training. The curriculum that you are going to develop, is that something you are going to develop in house or you are going to take curriculum from external sources . Where is that curriculum going to come from . We have curriculum in the past we developed in the officer academy. There is curriculum from the state Fire Marshals Office that we can take to us and we want to customize it for our tactical operations. It doesnt help somebody coming in from outside and teaching us something that works in phoenix or whatever. It does work for us. We are a unique department with the buildings and staffing model that doesnt really match many of the departments in the country. A few but we do have a curriculum by the state Fire Marshals Office that we can adapt to our own. We have our members trained to train our members. Thats the goal. Do you ever pull anything from the nfpa . The curriculum for chief officers matches nfpa1021 for a fire officer so they do have a correlation and we can pull from that and make sure the topics are covered. Good. You talked about the balancing tour services. Have you gotten any push back on that . When we put it two weeks ago, there was some issues that came back from the field especially one of them was officers not working with their own driver on a regular basis. So we listened to the field we heard concerns, we pulled it back. We addressed those issues and we feel that now we have addressed those issues. We also wanted to have a time where the captains and Double Company worked together to have discussions with whats going on with the house and we addressed that issue too so theres things we have to do but we feel confident enough. We have we have a meeting with 798 tomorrow. We are going to make sure everyone is on the same page. When you have change you have to have a lot of conversations. Absolutely. People get comfortable. Absolutely. You talked about 2014 bond that was i guess funding emergency generators for stations 31, 2 and 19, this is 2019. Why did it take five years . Theres been money for different projects so the project is ongoing and it just happens this stations particular right now with those funds from there. Money is not just spent right now. Its ongoing spending for this money. Okay. I think its really helpful. I agree that you are doing a review of the injuries that happened in the department. And you are going to create some sort of prevention studies because the whole idea of looking backwards is to say lets not you know, lets try to prevent these kinds of accidents in the future if we can. So i applaud you for doing that and creating this. So thats all my questions, mr. President. Thank you very much. Commissioner hardeman. Thank you president nakajo. Very detailed report. You are making it hard on us to ask questions. So good job. Very efficient. Very good, very informative. And even though we dont have any resolutions to vote on tonight we still the meeting is important. I think always to meet just to get things out so the public also knows whats going on in the department. Commissioner veroneses comments, i think it was at least three years ago when the support Services Assistant deputy chief and Mark Gonzales and i had a demonstration at station 7 by somebody who was promoting his particular drone, which was like the state of the art at the time. And it was just a fantastic demonstration it seemed so simple, so uncomplicated. We thought wow, this is going to be like, well have this in no time. Here it is. At least three years later. Im a big proponent of the drones. And saying the same thing that commissioner veronese said is that its all about saving lives. And its really turning out to be about saving firefighters and Police Officers and the victim a few weeks ago in oakland even the oakland airport, which is involved in that incident, somebody drowned, and the head over at the airport there stated if we had a drone probably could have rescued this guy. But again its not the airport. But people at the airport can also know how to use a drone. They can know how to make sure its not in the line of an onramp i mean a runway. So im very disappointed as the commissioner said, we really are dragging our feet on this. This privacy thing has been beat to death on this. And like i said at the last meeting we have helicopters flying all over taking everybodys privacy. This has been going on for years and nobody seems to complain. We need a drone for emergency and we cant seem to get it done. It is a really makes us look pretty bad as a city that we cant overcome this simple little obstacle and no brass in the police and Fire Departments are probably Sheriffs Department probably has the same support and just cant seem to get it done. And getting this on tv is good. The public should be outraged that for some technical privacy reason that really is just so petty our officers will know how to use a drone and keep it private. The officers will know too. So very disappointing. I was over at the new this just goes in the report because chief wyrsch isnt doing his operations but i was over at the new hospitals and the only disappointing thing is i know when i was still working as a union rep, we were pushing to get the structures much higher and they were beat down to the size they are now. But just for emergency, fantastic, im sure that plenty of our drivers, ambulance drivers had to have huge emergency entrances. The only negative was both the buildings that they are not bigger because of obstacles of complaints about making it too big. Only city in the country probably that would complain about somebody giving you a gift to have an emergency for an earthquake. So you know we have hurricanes all the time but we dont want a building too big. Maybe we could save some of our people but we take that attitude which is, it was too bad but what beautiful buildings. Im sure our drivers would be very happy if they have to drop people off there. So i thought i would bring that up. The other thing was i didnt want to talk until commissioner covington did but she didnt put her name up there. I wanted to congratulate our commissioners for going into the training and especially for doing it. They hyped that thing up saying we are going to have the San Francisco losing Training Centers citizens should be outraged and they did a great report. So anybody who was involved in that, they had the newscasters she went in there and she was very impressive and supportive. They did a great job. I saw it a couple times the other night so thank you for doing that. That was great. Thank you chief. Thank you very much. You havent seen it . No. Its great. Youre in it, yeah. Thank you commissioner hardeman, Vice President covington. Thank you, mr. President and thank you for your kind comments commissioner hardeman. I havent seen it. Commissioner veronese said he is going to send the link to me so i look forward to seeing it. So the fire ops course was very, very impressive. I was with one of our supervisors, a number of supervisors were there just so that you know as was our lieutenant governor. And she stayed all day and she went through all of the modules and was very, very impressed. It was a very fortunate for us to be able to get some National Support for this. Its the first time in 27 years that the department has done it. So its been a very long time. And the amount of coordination and energy that was required to put on such a large training event, it was very impressive. The members of the department worked exceedingly hard. And i have to thank chief for helping me so much, not only helping me look splendid but also helping me look like i knew what i was doing. So i appreciate that. I learned a tremendous amount, and perhaps chief, you can go into the four different modules so that im not just droning on and on. But it was as close to real life as you can get without endangering someone. So it was very, very handson. And the last module for my group happened to be the burn room. And there was some excitement about my group being in the burn room, because we were the last group. It was the hottest of the day. They are still laughing. It was 150 degrees. So a couple chiefs went, i think it might be a little hotter than usual in there. I always ask when i go out with any members of our department i ask, i said, okay, youve never lost a commissioner, have you . And they say no so then i feel fine. Can you go into some detail chief velo about what the four modules were . Absolutely, and i want to make is sure this is clear they put this together, the coordinator for this event so it was a good event. Yes so there were four stations we went through. The first one in different order, it was a medical emergency, ambulance and we have the participants be inside the ambulance with a major emergency while we are driving to the hospital to get a feel of what it is to be inside the ambulance working that code, a shooting or emergencywise, that was one of them. Another one was we had to rescue a civilian or a firefighter from a second story window through a ladder. The technique that we use for that purpose. We had a patient in a vehicle that was involved in an accident and we had to use the jaws of life to cut them out. So we had four different vehicles. And participants were able to use the tools to cut them out and cut the vehicle apart so they can extra katecanget that person. The last one was containers that get hot and produce a significant amount of heat and smoke and they had to go through a small amaze maze to extinguish that fire. They had to go inside with some instructors to help them out. So it was a good way for them to get a feel not just for you but the local officials that were there too. It was a very good simulation and i was on the nozzle so that was quite exciting. I felt a lot of pressure being put on. So thank you very much. And im glad that you mentioned adrienne sims. What is her rank . Incident support specialist. She was the commander in chief for the day. She had everybody doing everything, and everything went off without a hitch whatsoever. So very, very good. And thank you, 798 as well for that. So chief velo, im wondering about the Succession Planning, if the you can give us more information, not today but at some point . Absolutely. And im also wondering if there is a committee that is assigned to review the Succession Planning as it goes on . Theres a committee called career workgroup that actually is meeting next week. And they are going to review all the ranks and what qualifications and prerequisites we would like them to have with the current standards the state Fire Marshals Office or the classes available to them. Thats the closest to the Succession Plan we are looking at. And when you get to the Management Level what kind of courses will be required or desired for those folks to have to succeed when they get promoted. How long has the group been meeting . First meeting is next weekend. Absolute first meeting . Okay. And how many members of that group. Im going to say around 12, 13 members. Are they of various ranks . Yes. Its led by chief hail. And different ranks are involved in that process too. Okay. Very good. Now the Health Program and the chief parks, hopefully she can attend the next meeting and you can introduce her to us. Thats our goal. That would be great. And i also had a question about the restoration of the Health Program. And since it has been dormant for a while is there also a committee for this part of what it is that the new batallion chief will be handling . So theres no Committee Per se with her duties and jobs. Theres a Behavioral Health committee that meets and actually its meeting soon too. Its not specific for her duties and responsibilities. Now the Health Program what we are doing is putting together a meeting with 798 chief parks, the Doctors Office myself and other folks are going to be there to come up with the best solution for our members to move this program forward. I agree with the commissioners that we need to get it back. We have the funding for it. We should just start doing it. But we need to make sure it is successful. We dont want it to fail like last time. We want to have the right parameters. So we get the raw data to know what issues we have and the members will contact their private physicians and address those issues. I believe we can find a Common Ground in the middle that we can all agree and then for the benefit of our members. How much is the funding and what is the source of the funding . Thank you. Good evening, commissioners so the source of the funding is within our general fund budget. I want to say maybe ten years ago we applied for a fema grant that kick started the program again where we ran everybody in the department through and the goal was to have that continued. So we have funding its not for everybody every year but its for once every three years to put all the members through the department at some point over three years. Its about 300,000 annually. And whether thats appropriate or whether we want to expand it it has been difficult to argue for it when we havent been fully using the program. So thats part of the discussions that are ongoing with this. Very good. We want to take advantage of every fiscal opportunity that exists. Okay. All right. Moving on from that. The Drone Program i am also feeling very frustrated since chief Shane Francisco was in charge of Homeland Security its been about four years now that i meant down to the training on drones and spent the whole day, you know, they were going over legal issues and various ways to deploy the drones. And here we are, we are still talking about this. So, mr. President , i think this warrants a space on the next agenda and perhaps at that time we can hear from chief cochrane so we know exactly where the holdup is. And im sure that me and commissioner veronese will not mind walking the halls to get what needs to be done. This cannot continue like this. Its outrageous. If the City Attorney who is responsible for the assistant City Attorney who is responsible for the paperwork and whatnot, we need to have conversations with everyone, because, you know, we keep saying that its not if, its when. The next big shaking of the earth will occur. So, all right, ill chat with you offline. Okay. Thank you for your report. Thank you. Thank you very much, Vice President covington. Commissioner hardeman i see your name. Thank you again if we have time i want to bring up something that probably is useless information for most people in the room. But so 9 11 last meeting i watched the whole night i spent watching specials on public tv. And it was quite amazing. And commissioner veronese talking about the weight of the average person is 100 pounds, they showed them marching the firefighters marching forward. I dont know if any of you watched it. Its not something you really want to watch but i wanted to refresh my memory on what happened that day. But the most interesting thing to me was the maid of honor in my wifes cousin was working right there in the pentagon. That was her office for Army Intelligence. And she hadnt been in her office otherwise she would have been dead. I mean exactly where the plane hit. So we were very fortunate that one of our relative it is. And then she proceeded to go up to climb the ranks and was the highest ranking person in Army Intelligence in the country and was the highest ranked woman in the United States that was not in the military. She just retired three years ago. She had three sons and her husband so its nice, theyve gotten married since. But some of my background story, i took a lot of interest in watching about the pentagon because of our family connection. 9 11 on friday, the memorial so in a way im looking forward to it and in another way not looking forward to it. So ill see what the new memorial looks like. Thank you very much, commissioner hardeman. Chief i just have a few questions about four questions. In terms of support services in the six new bogies you were talking about they were being out fitted, it is the light. Okay. Does that mean those six are in our position . So we get them and we send them to a specialized vendor to do the package. We go to the radio shop to put the radio. They come from the factory the way they are and we have to put all the Little Things on there. Theres things we go through to put the things on there. How long does that take for a turn around to come back . Two weeks ago. We should have it by next week. Okay. You had on your report you made reference to the 49. Can you give a little more detail as to what do you mean by the shift change of 49 that you were talking about in the reference that it should help . So the way the tours for the members work, the way the hours work and how when we continue to analyze the data. Based on the call volume, we shift the schedules for them to be available at that time. So every year we do this study and we look at that. So when they bid for spots, every year the members bid for different spots and tours we accommodated that so we have better coverage i believe at this time than we had before this happened. So we addressed those issues when there were gaps in the system that addressed that. So sometimes the members go to different assignments go to training, so gaps are produced in those shifts. And sometimes we cover sometimes we cant cover them. So now members able to bid and we cover the main spots that we have so we have better coverage and therefore better results. So we are talking about the members at station 49, both paramedics and emts . Correct. In terms of the shifts, 24hour shifts, 12 hour shifts . They are 12 or 10, right chief . 12hour shifts, 10hour shifts depends on the day. And the adjustment that the 12hour shift is whats the shift . Like a 2 30 shift to 1 in the morning or. Just some information in terms of that. [off mic]. They keep going throughout the day so we have coverage throughout the day but they are not all the same time so they staggered at starting times when they come in service. I want to get a feel of it and an understanding. We are talking about how many members that are affected with this third shift . 212 on 49. This is a normal process we do every year they bid for different stations and so forth. In this case the different shifts they do. So in my mind as im getting this information and the commissioners as well, im trying to also take into consideration when we had heavier run times and how we dealt with that and even in terms of the late night shifts or the midnight to the morning shifts how we cover that so i just wanted to get more clarity in terms of that. Thank you for that. I have two more comments. One is i also am glad that we brought back the health check. The health check and other issues that are part of our administrative change, i call it or improvements most of us pick those kinds of recommendations or concerns when we did the chief interviews. Because we had one at least 21 different individuals who gave different priorities, concerns. And health check was one of them. And for a lot of us commissioners im talking for myself, to develop quite know how its working unless you have some comprehension. And i do remember the point of where the members werent taking advantage of that. And for many of us, for myself, its like such a crucial essential component. And its paid for. Why arent they taking advantage of it . And so your explanation as to what it was previous to what we are trying to develop now, its part of a new i call it culture but also there has to be some internal changes as well within the department or else one doesnt have confidence that things have changed. They can be ordered to take a health check for the benefit of the individual. Thats what i hear as an interpretation when commissioner veronese makes reference to us in our department, we need to do that and perhaps thats an individual issue that helps us in the sense of every member takes care of themselves. So thats number one in my mind. In the reference of changes the safety officers another change we got to remember. Another recommendation was to get committees activated. That was another one. So its really encouraging but also very concrete when we hear in your report that these changes are not part of the implementation. So at one point chief velo, maybe perhaps you can give us a list of those committees. Not exactly who is in the committees but all those 15 to 20 committees, what are those committees, because i know theres a multitude of them. I think that members of the department depending upon who is leading the committees and what time are you meeting and the participation. I say that because i was participating somewhat in the awards and knew there was a committee. And some of these things like the retirement they get dormant depending upon personnel and who can do the work. So again its a structure there. I know that its going to be improvement within that as well. Thats my mind. If i may i can have more information that came out with the guidelines and also the posture of the committees and the members of the committees so we can forward that. Theres an email that came out so we can forward that. I appreciate that. And for me in terms of membership from the commission in this setting to the membership, in terms of the officers and command force theres interaction in terms of other levels of officers, batallion chiefs, theres really no occasion, unless the commissioners go out or theres an occasion of interaction. And with the membership it gets to be greater. I call it a gap. So that the officers and the chief as you visit every firehouse, some of that tradition is something that we also would like to do, because theres just no better way to meet the various members, have dinner, have some interaction. But for myself, theres been a lot of changes in 25 years. And some of those members i had interaction are no longer here. And some of the new members have come in, unfortunately i dont even know who they are and i bet you they dont know who i am either right . So what im saying to you is its important for me to have that kind of involvement, because if its for committees or affinity groups, i dont know what the members do in terms of participation within the department. And again, the more we know, the better. I know folks are doing coaching and basketball, i know theres flings i know the black firefighters have their program. I know theres other things that other groups do but the more information we have because then it engages to me to say this is what the members are doing because prior to the Service Within the department. But the other part of that for me is community service, just to build rapport. Now im leading up to the Succession Plan. And im glad that we talked about it, because in my mind it sounds good to me. Then it becomes what part of the Succession Plan, you know . And then if you tell the officers then it becomes in my mind batallion chiefs captains, lieutenants Succession Plan but part of this for myself is to be part of a Succession Plan for officers you got to have members getting back to the members who want to take tests and want to do applications to advance themselves in the department. So with this new membership thats coming in, im kind of curious as to because im concerned about gaps and encouragement of is there a way to encourage members of the department to take tests, to think of promotions. I think theres a movement in there where one has to get educated. Not everybody thinks about becoming an officer. And in some ways in this department i met a lot of quality men and women who are just members of the department, which is fine. But in terms of Succession Plan and ranks, i would like to see a reflection of the membership advance itself into age 20s 30s, to assistant batallion chiefs. At some point its an examination and employment but at some point its an employment as well to get in those positions. I say that because were a department known for diversity. I like to see that continue as a diversity among the ranks only because that to me is a good Succession Plan. I hope this makes sense chief. Im just kind of rambling at this particular point but im trying to maintain all these issues that we are looking at. So i get it. We are going to need a Succession Plan. The last part of this information you pick up from interviews. Myself im going to speak for myself that many of our veteran firefighters men and women are starting to retire. And i think there was some information as to our workforce. But i think there was some information as to how young our workforce is in terms of years of experience within the department. And im curious as to that kind of information that in the next couple years when the retirement hits a certain point it goes back to, again who is coming in. When mayor lee was alive and supporting this department we had as much as klee classes during two different fiscals on a sixyear plan. Now i know we are down to two classes, i believe. One. Okay. One a year. One a year. So just that alone makes me contemplate in terms of succession, in terms of workforce coming into the department that department, the training and ability of experience and not to lose that. And again, im glad you are doing training. Okay. Thats my little spiel. But thats the things that stimulate myself. Sorry chief. No, no, i agree with your points. All right. Im done. Commissioners anything else at this point . No. Thank you very much, chief. Madame secretary. Item 5 Commission Report. Report on Commission Activity since last meeting on september 11, 2019. Commissioners ill call for the public first on this item. Commissioners is there any report from the commissioners in terms of this particular area . All right. Just a point of information commissioners, we did our grand jury report was accepted. So i wanted to share that with you. With our recommendations and our findings. I want to acknowledge the command force for being able to support us and the director and the command force. Madame secretary . Item 6 agenda for next and future Fire Commission meetings. Commissioners. I think we have next meeting is october 9th. Right. We have a brief presentation by dr. Teraza and after that meeting we have a closed session in terms of performance evaluation. Right. Other than that, theres the latter meeting of october. And again as a point of information we are three months away from christmas meaning that november, we have one meeting november 13th. And one meeting in december, december 11. So according to our agenda, i just wanted to put that out there that this month of october would probably be a meeting of occasion if we want to get a matter on before we hit the latter part of the year. Just as a point of information, commissioners. Madame secretary . Should i take Public Comment on that . Yes. May i have Public Comment on that agenda item 6 . Seeing none Public Comment is closed. Item 7 adjournment. I need a motion. So moved. Vice president covington. Thank you very much. Meeting called to order. Notroll call. Believepledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of america and to the republic for which it stand, one nation under god,