With you engage in this conduct, this is what happy ne what h. If it is knowingly engaging in bias it kicks up and you are terminated. We cant have a discipline for unconscious behavior. What this says if it is a pattern it becomes known, then the discipline is discipline then you are in the knowingly category. Give me an opportunity. I have to tell you now we have to be specific on discipline and i dont know if the public knows this. When we bring a complaint the department or dpa has to say what the punishment will be before we hear a witness or make a decision. We have tried to whatever they recommend. I see some coming through. I am appalled they can read the factual situation and tell me a certain amount of time. I think the more guidance the better. We cannot change it once they list what it is. I read this. It is very confusing. What are you suggesting to make it stronger . I would make it stronger personally. How do we punish for unconscious behavior . How many times do you say hey babe . How many times do you have to be corrected . Two. Recurring means if it happens again. Then i guess it is the discretion where it may no longer be considered and may result in discipline. I would change that to say will. How many times. Let me give you an example as to why i think will doesnt work. Reoccurring implicit bias issues with the same member may no longer be considered. You may exhibit unconscious homophobia in january and you are trained in april. In august you were exhibiting racial bias. You cant discipline for racial when it is the first time if they are trained on sexual orientation. That is why you need flexibility. If you say will you tie peoples hands in a way that doesnt make sense. The basic training covers racial and homophobic. What is the next one gender . Reoccurring. I dont know. How many chances . Reoccurring is two. The nine month Police Academy drills what respect to give to the citizen, how do we expect them to talk to the citizens, then probation period and in the force. Then they have this. I dont know what to tell you. Or we have 96 day reports with data where certain categories of people based on race and sex have higher incidents of uses of force against them and other things happening. Commissioner brookter. Thank you for your tire less work on this. For me in reading it. The words make sense. However, for me. One Monkey Wrench is the as theftstics and where it is aesthetics. I dont know if it is in the appendix towards the back or if it becomes its own box so folks can read it. I dont like the font size. We do address implicit bias in the bias d. G. O. , dont we . We define it. This is what bias is and implicit bias and there ar aredifferent categories. It doesnt say if you engage this will happen. It just defines it. If behavior is unconscious we cannot punish for it. We would get sued to next year. If someone does not know they are doing something until we put them on notice we cant punish them for it. We are not arguing that. Wait, wait. The issue is if it recurs, yes, meaning more than once, there has to be a fact inquiry. Not every situation is the same. By putting will you are putting one box into everything. I just dont think that is right or that is fair. Unconscious behavior. You have to have the flexibility to ask what is the exact situation going on here . It has to be may in my opinion. Are we using unconscious and implicit bias the same thing according to the d. G. O. . It is. I dont have a problem making it mandatory. Just for the sense that because as commissioner hirsch just delineated if there is recurring issues, how many times do we need to see bias in policing out of one officer before we are willing to say now it is time to get serious and to not put the department in jeopardy and not put all of the work that has been done in jeopardy . I do wish this was flushed out better in here because i think the commissioners i understand the desire to pass this tonight, but i know where commissioner elias is coming from in this and where commissioner brookter is. I wish i would have spent more time thinking about this. We are trying to do more to address implicit bias in the training and academy and so forth. I dont want people to mistakenly read this as saying basically like, well, if you call the bias that is exhibited implicit, then it is a free pass and, you know, repeated issues may or may not be disciplined. I am all over the place based on the comments. If we dont belief the behavior is unconscious, you know what i mean . We have the ability to call bs. Just because someone says it is unconscious doesnt mean that it was. This is for us but also for the department and the members to understand what the potential consequences. So i think, you know, under bias policing having the big t there is wonderful to let people know, hey, if you want to engage in conduct that damages our community, damages our department, damages our citizens, our community, you are not going to be an officer in the sfpd. I think that is great. I think the implicit bias is not as flushed out as it could be, i dont know. I am struggling a bit. My issue is i dont agree with you, commissioner taylor. I dont think if up an implicit bias is different than someone unconscious of their bias. I think you can when people are conscious of what they are doing. When they say those people do certain things or act a certain way or those people deserve that. That is not bias. They dont know what they are referring to. I took bias training. If you believe those people are different than those people, that is not implicit. Categorize the race about those people. I think that about those people that is not implicit bias. I would like to get this passed or change it. Your suggestion is reoccurring implicit bias issues with the same member may result in discipline. Can result in discipline. All right. Lets do that. Same words. May is more permissive. Lets not argue. Put it on paper. I am fine with that. We are changing two words. First may to will and second may to can. Now, i understand. Are you changing both mays to can. Will and can is fine with me. With the same member will not longer be considered implies cemenitor unconscious and can rn discipline. Unconscious refers to a bias we are unaware of which happens outside of our control. Implicit bias refers to the same bias but questions the level to which the biases are unconscious especially as we are made aware of them. That is what i was trying to explain to commissioner taylor. Thank you. The internet once again. You have the language now for that language . Commissioner brook what font do you want . We will blow it up. Same font. I would like to leave it as a footnote. It is not a disciplinary matter. It is a notice. Make it as big as you want. The font size is very important. Make sure it is bigger than. Sergeant. We are going to increase the font size so it is the same as the other language in there but keep an asterisk so it is a note. With those changes any other changes to be made . Can we have a motion to approve with the changes we have just gone through . So moved. Second. Now we need Public Comment. Thank you. I share many of the concerns of the commission respect to the language on page 17. There is a principal in police work that engaging the public uniformed officers are required to be civil to everyone but not courteous. I think that the language on page 17 is best altered to instead of using the noun diskurtz tessie use incivility and in the examples following on duty diskurtztyious act on civil act that makes the standard more objective. It spares your officers from being tethered to the subjective expectations of members of the public. These are Individuals Police officers may be required to arrest, place into handcuffs. You dont want them to be courteous under those circumstances but you want them to be civil. I would also remember on the same subject that the first offense be rated an a to t rather than b to t. From thank you. We have a motion and second. Can we call for a vote . Is there a vote to adopt . We have a motion and second. It is a matter of voting now. All in favor. Any opposed . Okay. Thank you. It passes. This will go to meet and confer so Everybody Knows that. Next item, please. Line item 5. Discussion and possible action to have a representative of the Sf Youth Commission participate in Police Commission meetings. Discussion and action. This was president with commissioner julius. It took awhile to get on the calendar, but it is something we talked about. We have gone to the Youth Commission over the years for many real sin significant issue. They would come to us with issues as well. We had talked about perhaps giving them a voice here and bringing in issues to our attention that we may not be aware of. I also took into account some of our sitting commissioners and the city attorney. We talked about making changes. Initially i wanted him apartment every meeting. We talked about starting off with one meeting. We changed it so they can nominate pay designated youth representative and they can decide if they want the same person or rotating person. It is important to be visible and to be avissible place and have access. I wouldnt mind sharing my microphone if that is an issue. I would like to read the resolution i have here. I would like to take the word draft off and it starts off whereas the Police Commission is to set policy for the Police Department and conduct disciplinary hearings on Police Misconduct and they have a history in engaging with summer projects that focus on educating and employing young people and whereas the Police Department successfully worked with youth in the garden project and San Francisco youth works and Community Safety initiative, youth Career Academy and delete anything else to add. Whereas in 2016, San Francisco youth successfully facilitated Group Meetings on the Police Commission revised use of force policy and the youth have provided the Police Commission with a new perspective on outreach. San francisco voters created it under the charter to advise the supervisor on policies and laws and they are responsible for providing comments and recommendations on all city ordinances. Be it resolved the Police Commission two request a designated youth representative who may be a member of the Youth Commission to participate once a month in Police Commission meetings and be it further resolved the Youth Commission participate and make recommendations on all policy issues that affect San Francisco youth. This is a long time coming. I would hope you would support me in this resolution. Austin strong is in the audience. They have brought other Youth Commissioners to address the Police Commission briefly on this issue, and support this resolution. Thank you. Hello commissioners, i am austin. I am the Community Staff specialist at the Youth Commission. I have three members of the transformative Justice Committee one just got sworn in last wednesday, ron jones. We have josephine this years chair as well as nora who is part of the mayors Blue Ribbon Panel as well as the district 10 commissioner. They would like to share a few words why we are interested in having this resolution and making sure that you all have the full support and vote this through. We believe that there should be youth voices in city commissions as well as committees and making sure that there is a youth presence felt. I will let the youth speak now. Thank you. Thank you for the introduction, austin. Hello, commissioners, i currently represent district four on the Youth Commission and chair it this year. Today i am here to strongly urge you to add a youth seat on the Police Commission. Throughout the 20 plus years of history we have been advocating for improving Police Relations with youth and other add adjusted issues. We have done Community Outreach when commissioner hilton and i were first year commissioners we hosted a youth police round table. Thank you, chief scott. Very common thing we noticed during the round table, youths lack of feeling empowered. They didnt feel the Police Commission or any city hall bodies were accessible to get their voices heard on issues. We were so glad they had us to come to that we could addvo indicate for them. However there are so many loopholes that we have to work through and i think throughout our time it is going to take a very long time to get changes they want passed. We would love for you all to have a youth seeth seat to advise you on the youth of color and lbgq. We are oppressed by the criminal justice system. It is important they have a voice on this political body. I hope you are supporting this resolution. Thank you. I am nora hilton, a mayoral appointee and former chair of the transformative Justice Committee last year. In march 2019, the Youth Commission in collaboration with sfpd hosted a round table. We heard from a lot of San Francisco youth and communitybased organizations about negative experiences they had with sfpd or comments or criticisms of sfbd policy they wanted to share but they didnt have a choice to share that because it is not uplifted as much as other voices. In the last years budget and policy priorities we urged the mayor and board of supervisors to add a youth seat to a lot of commissions. Youth voices are not heard as much as they should be. We would like to advise you to add the seat and show your support for the youth in addition to your support for under represented communities in San Francisco. Good evening. I am still getting used to the microphone thing. I just got appointed on wednesday. Hold it closer. I am ron jones district 10 Youth Commissioner. I think the reason why it is very important to have the youth voice represented on this admission is because it is very cute to talk about summer efforts like earlier in the meeting. Overall one of my goals in the Youth Commission is to expand or reach to represent all youth in San Francisco. If we have the opportunity to address this commission on issues affecting youth on a monthly basis we can give you a better view of the things youth want to see in their communities. Directly we deal with young people throughout not only the summer but the full calendar year. Therefore, if that is going to happen, there needs to be a direct link to youth voice on a consistent basis and the youth is empowered to say things that need said and you all dont have to hear 100 Public Comments as you can hear a consolidated idea what the youth think. Thank you, commissioners. Okay. I think we need Public Comment before we vote on this. I would move we accept the resolution. Is there a second . Second. Public comment on this policy. Is there any Public Comment . The chair is clear the time is pressing. I will be very brief and confirm my remarks and explain in a letter. The leadership of the Police Department recently attended a event at the church. The this is just on the Youth Commission. I misunderstood. I am sorry. Public comment on the Youth Commission proposal. Please take the vote. All in favor to adopt the resolution. A. Any opposed . Okay. It passes. Thank you. Next item please. We thank you all for coming. Thank you. Line item 6 general Public Comment. Public is welcome to address the Commission Regarding items not on the agenda but are within the subject matter of the commission. Speakers shamming address to the commission as a hole not to individuals. Under Police Commission rules of order Neither Police or dpa or commissioners are required to respond but may provide a brief response. Individuals shall refrain from entering into any debates during Public Comment. General Public Comment. Confirm and explain my remarks in a letter. Time is wasting. Chief scott and other leaders recently attended a meeting at the glide memorial methodist church. I read the transcript. After the introductory remarks of reverend morgan wheat, the minister of celebration there it is my impression the leadership is obliged to leave and they did not. Next speaker. Okay. Linda chapman about the special victims unit issue. I know that the limitations of the venue. When you leave here you would be able to look to some reforms and having the investigation reopened and what not. Thithis is a matter of public safety. The Victims Office from the das office and Adult Protective Services tried to have an investigation. What is it . You saw what happened at laguna honda. This is worst. They could get a job at the jewish home and be protected by the administrator who looks after his own even after it was found that the registered nurse in charge of the night shift that she did what she was accused of which was Sexual Battery . They confirmed it was the case. Nobody denied it until the sergeant came along probably. I cant go into the whole thing, but they were mandatory reporters and didnt do it. I was a investigator for the federal service. I wori worked on rape in one ca. I investigated Sexual Assault and ind indecent exposure. Up need to allow me to correct the incident report which was done by two excellent young officers from central. There were multiple statements in the report that were material such as the suspect checked off unknown whereas they identified or found she did it. Her name would not be released. Your time is up. Thank you. Thank you. Next speaker. Good evening, commissioners, brad edwards district 11. One of my favorite race mayors was read the footnotes. The discipline penalty reminds me of the race mayor. The fact the most wellmannered of those in the audience speaks well for the detail and participate in this commission. Some of the housekeeping i appreciate commissioner br on. Okter coming to the Public Banking Forum the other night and lastly. Well, i take no position on it in particular. I do note there has been a drop in officerinvolved shootings. I aii am bitter the most recente involved a dog but we are pointed in the right direction. Any other Public Comment . Those emails are public boat shouldnt the meeting have been public as well . [indiscernible] i am at a loss for how compliance with the law away from public transparency and accountability is in sharp relief of to hold sfpd accountable. [indiscernible] the last openness report was six month ago. We received seven records from d. P. A. This year, and who knows how many more. Can d. P. A. Ever catch up . It is unclear. We dont know what stuff they have taken to speed up this process, so i encourage this commission to investigate this process. Thank you. Can i ask one quick question . Who denied you entry and said you couldnt participate because the Public Defenders Office has a vested interest . We knew we couldnt participate because we have a vested interest. We were told not to identify specific individuals. You can identify whoever you want. I was told by director henderson that i couldnt participate. I will take it up with him. I would like to give you a chance to make a very brief response. Sure. I did respond in writing. There is an email that went out , as well. The point of it is the intention of the symposium was a roundtable discussion with the Oversight Agency about operational challenges and solutions related to 1421, amongst other issues having nothing to do with 1421. Technology, operations, budget, work policy, auditing, management, mediation, community engagement. There were several outside Law Enforcement agencies that attended only the welcome presentation of the symposium, but all of them were asked to leave, as well. The attention was the roundtable discussion with the oversight agencies. What i want to be clear about is that this was not the policy Group Discussion addressing ongoing plans related at all to the release of Police Records as defined by the letter and the allegations. I think there was a miss communication about that intention. I tried to explain it in person to the group that came there, but the group that came came after the welcome part where other people were in the room, but i just want to be more clear that no other agency that was participating even does 1421 in the way that we do because their City Attorneys Office does the role of taking all the evaluations and dissemination his. We couldnt have had a discussion about the process that we were doing, anyway. Let me stop you because this is Public Comment and i dont want to get into a back and forth. If you need to put this on the agenda, we can. You have a written response. I do. You will send that out. It already has been sent out along with the entirety of the attachment of what was presented i just dont want any more discussion. Then my request would be to put this on the agenda because there were some issues. There were things that were in the letter from the Public Defenders Office and from d. P. A. That i think need to be we look at it on a future agenda. Next speaker. We have additional letters for the public should they wish. Thank you. You can put them on the table hello, commissioners. Hello, again. I stopped coming to these sessions a little while ago. We were participating in a working group with my colleagues , and the process was making progress. The process was taking place, the process of what matters. We are talking about transparency and accountability, especially. That is what matters. I think we should be forgiven for assuming the worst one i discussion about the challenges of transparency and compliance with state law is done behind closed doors. This Commission Just spend spent 20 minutes discussing the challenges of how to monitor implicit bias amongst police officers, and it was visibly frustrating to some of you. It was very boring to some people, but it was public, it was open. We know where you all stand. We know what you all think about the issue. We know none of that about the hearing that was held on august 23rd and 204th. It is all behind closed doors. And the process of transparency and accountability i think is maybe, i have read the letter as i was sitting here from director henderson in response and dealing primarily with 1421, but the bigger issue is the discussion of how to go about transparency. It seems to be there is no other reason it should also be transparent. So having that discussion hidden , not only from participation, but from observation, raises red flags where i think the public should know. Can i ask a question . I realize this will be put on the agenda, but when we come back, my confusion is, im sure your office has meetings about 1421, and director henderson, if he is right that this was not a working group meeting, what is wrong with his office having meetings about how to administer 1421 . I dont understand why you dont invite the public and director henderson to every meeting that you have about it, why there is a forum for you guys to get together and discuss this. Why cant they talk about how to administer it on their own as well because they are the ones and plummeting it . [simultaneous talking] i would like to know that at some point when we all come back that was my confusion. My apologies. I forgot to also make an announcement with respect to the 1421 status earlier, just so that everyone is aware, we did have the working group. We received all of the submissions. We are working on the language. We hope to have it on the agenda within the next few weeks. I understand our calendar is very heavy, so we are hoping to have a policy before the commission for approval within the next few weeks. It will probably be the beginning of october. Thank you. Okay. Any other Public Comment . Seeing none, Public Comment is closed. Next item, please. A line item seven, Public Comment on all matters pertaining to item nine, closed session, including public on it on item eight, vote whether to hold item nine in closed session Public Comment on us going into closed session to discuss other items . It is closed. Line item eight, vote on whether to hold item nine in closed session. San francisco ministry of code section 67. 10. Is there a second . Second. Can we have the vote, please . All in favor . Aye. Opposed . Okay, we are going into closed session. Thank you, all