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Or even im still here. I hope more police and more safety, you know, in our community, all the community, we appreciate it. President hirsch thank you. Next speaker, please. Hi. My name is paula williams, and im homeless in San Francisco right now. Ive been homeless since december of 2018. Ive made Numerous Police reports. Ive been harmed numerous of times by staff in the shelters. The police have did me no justice. Ive went to the city attorney, ive went to the d. P. A. Its just plain corruption. Its five Police Officers that dont want to take a Police Report, made false statements in my Police Report. Didnt want me to file a Police Report and just was lying. I liked when miss taylor said they wanted to take a look at the shelters. Every morning, i walkthrough t. L. And encourage them, tell them to get up, all to its numerous of stuff that whatever hsoc and all of them is talking about, i just called the Police Yesterday in front of walgreens and had the police come up and pick a lady that was laying on the ground. Sometimes i just do field work all day and call 911, can you please get this person up, can you please so i dont know what they talking about. Every day, im in the tenderloin. Whatever salary they getting, they know me down there. They know me really well. So i think you guys should look up all my Police Reports, go to d. P. A. , and ask someone thats working in the shelters thats harming, it was a 26yearold girl that sprayed chemicals in a 66yearolds face this morning. President hirsch thank you. Any other Public Comment general Public Comment . My name is john jones. May my remarks please the commission. About two years ago, i was getting on a 14 mission bus at the corner of geneva and mission, and all of a sudden, i heard this scream, a woman scream. And i looked around, and there was a chinese woman in the back holding a very well cared for child, and three black teenagers were running off the bus. I came facetoface with one of the teenagers, and he was smiling. Apparentl apparently, one of them had just ripped a cell phone out of the womans hand. Now, the witness to that was five chinese men sitting in the back of the bus. My impression was that chai necessary have very tight families. I could run through the numbers, but my estimate is that 3,000 separate individuals heard a full recounting of that crime and the effect upon that woman. You cannot buy that kind of bad publicity. Its stupid. For a 25 cell phone, you alienate all those people . Thats one fact in all this crime that we talk about that doesnt get emphasized, the effect it has on others, particularly others of different races. Thank you. President hirsch thank you. Any other Public Comment . Id like to use the overhead again. Im trying to start it. Wait a minute. President hirsch we need you to talk into the mic, though. Im trying to start my video, so could you so wait a minute. Sorry. Just a second. I think its ready now. So oh, here we go. 12 years after his son was her son was shot and killed in San Francisco, tonight, shes still pleading for answers and hoping a huge reward will lead to an arrest. Our Crime Reporter has the story. Im here. This is the 12 year. Im back again. Its a sad summer ritual, paulette brown, pleading with San Francisco police after her only son was shot and killed back in 2006. I was told back when it happened, its going to get easier, but it doesnt. I can deal with it. Im functioning. I work i do everything that i need to do, but this pain never, never ends. On august 14, 2006, 17yearold aubrey aberkacen approached several gang members. Police say aubrey wasnt a gang member, but he yelled at his friends to run, and they shot him in the back for this. Like she does each year, she passes out fliers, hoping someone will be brave enough to come forward. San Francisco Police say a 250,000 reward remains in effect. I know its been 12 years, i know its been a long time, but if we can solve a case from the Golden State Killer that goes back for decades, we can solve one thats 12 years old. I cant believe hes been gone 12 years and nothings happened. Aubreys mother and the police say if you have any information, call police. So im saying august 14 of this month will be his anniversary, and im looking for you guys to come im having Media Coverage on grove and baker. Steve David Stevenson has already given me the flier to pass out to faithbased people. Im hoping that coming here for all these years that you guys would accompany me and stand with us concerning unsolved homicides and mothers and fathers who lost their children to homicide so maybe some way we can heal. President hirsch thank you. I would like to see you there. President hirsch the tip line is 4154755555. Any other Public Comment . Next item . [agenda item read]. President hirsch is there any Public Comment on us going into closed session . All right. Seeing none, Public Comment is closed. Next item. Clerk line item nine, vote on whether to hold item ten in closed session, including vote on whether to assert the attorneyclient privilege with regard to item 10a, San Francisco administrative code section 67. 10, action. President hirsch is there a motion . So moved. Second. President hirsch all in clerk commissioner hirsch, we are back on record in open session. You still have a quorum. Line item 11, vote to discuss any or all items held in closed session pursuant to section 57. 12 a. Move not to disclose. Second. All in favor . Clerk item 12, adjournm t adjournment. President hirsch is there a motion . Move to adjourn. Second. President hirsch all in favor . [gavel] i went through a lot of struggles in my life, and i am blessed to be part of this. I am familiar with what people are going through to relate and empathy and compassion to their struggle so they can see i came out of the struggle, it gives them hope to come up and do something positive. I am a community ambassador. We work a lot with homeless, visitors, a lot of people in the area. What i like doing is posting up at hotspots to let people see visibility. They ask you questions, ask you directions, they might have a question about what services are available. Checking in, you guys. Wellness check. We walk by to see any individual, you know may be sitting on the sidewalk, we make sure they are okay, alive. You never know. Somebody might walk by and they are laying there for hours. You never know if they are alive. We let them know we are in the area and we are here to promote safety, and if they have somebody that is, you know, hanging around that they dont want to call the police on, they dont have to call the police. They can call us. We can direct them to the services they might need. We do the three one one to keep the city neighborhoods clean. There are people dumping, waste on the ground and needles on the ground. It is unsafe for children and adults to commute through the streets. When we see them we take a picture dispatch to 311. They give us a tracking number and they come later on to pick it up. We take pride. When we come back later in the day and we see the loose trash or debris is picked up it makes you feel good about what you are doing. It makes you feel did about escorting kids and having them feel safe walking to the play area and back. The stuff we do as ambassadors makes us feel proud to help keep the city clean, helping the residents. You can see the community ambassadors. I used to be on the streets. I didnt think i could become a community ambassador. It was too far out there for me to grab, you know. Doing this job makes me feel good. Because i came from where a lot of them are, homeless and on the street, i feel like i can give them hope because i was once there. I am not afraid to tell them i used to be here. I used to be like this, you know. I have compassion for people that are on the streets like the homeless and people that are caught up with their addiction because now, i feel like i can give them hope. It reminds you every day of where i used to be and where i am at now. Im nicole and lindsey, i like the fresh air. When we sign up, its always so gratifying. We want to be here. So im very excite ied to be here today. Your volunteerism is appreciated most definitely. Last year we were able to do 6,000 hours volunteering. Without that we cant survive. Volunteering is really important because we cant do this. Its important to understand and a concept of learning how to take care of this park. We have almost a 160 acres in the district 10 area. Its fun to come out here. We have a park. Its better to take some of the stuff off the fences so people can look at the park. The street, every time, our friends. I think everybody should give back. We are very fortunate. We are successful with the company and its time to give back. Its a great place for us. The weather is nice. No rain. Beautiful San Francisco. Its a great way to be able to have fun and give back and walk away with a great feeling. For more opportunities we have volunteering every single day of the week. Get in touch with the parks and Recreation Center so come once i got the hang of it a little bit, you know, like the first time, i never left the court. I just fell in love with it and any opportunity i had to get out there, you know, they didnt have to ask twice. You can always find me on the court. [ ] we have been able to participate in 12 athletics wheelchairs. They provide what is an expensive tool to facilitate basketball specifically. Behind me are the amazing golden state road warriors, which are one of the most competitive adaptive basketball teams in the state led by its captain, chuck hill, who was a National Paralympic and, and is now an assistant coach on the national big team. It is great to have this opportunity here in San Francisco. We are the main hub of the bay area, which, you know, we should definitely have resources here. Now that that is happening, you know, i im looking forward to that growing and spreading and helping spread the word that needs that these people are here for everyone. I think it is important for people with disabilities, as well as ablebodied, to be able to see and to try different sports, and to appreciate trying different things. People can come and check out this chairs and use them. But then also friday evening, from 6 00 p. M. Until 8 00 p. M. , it will be wheelchair basketball we will make sure it is available, and that way people can no that people will be coming to play at the same time. We offer a wide variety of adaptive and inclusion programming, but this is the first time we have had our own equipment. [ ] [ ] i just wanted to say a few words. One is to the parents and to all of the kids. Thank you for supporting this program and for trusting us to create a Soccer Program in the bayview. Soccer is the worlds game, and everybody plays, but in the united states, this is a sport that struggles with access for certain communities. I coached basketball in a coached football for years, it is the same thing. It is about motivating kids and keeping them together, and giving them new opportunities. When the kids came out, they had no idea really what the game was. Only one or two of them had played soccer before. We gave the kids very simple lessons every day and made sure that they had fun while they were doing it, and you really could see them evolve into a team over the course of the season. I think this is a great opportunity to be part of the community and be part of programs like this. I get to run around with my other teammates and pass the ball. This is new to me. Ive always played basketball or football. I am adjusting to be a soccer mom. The bayview is like my favorite team. Even though we lose it is still fine. Right on. I have lots of favorite memories, but i think one of them is just watching the kids enjoy themselves. My favorite memory was just having fun and playing. Bayview united will be in soccer camp all summer long. They are going to be at civic centre for two different weeklong sessions with america scores, then they will will have their own soccer camp later in the summer right here, and then they will be back on the pitch next fall. Now we know a little bit more about soccer, we are learning more, and the kids are really enjoying the program. We want to be united in the bayview. That is why this was appropriate this guy is the limit. The kids are already athletic, you know, they just need to learn the game. We have some potential collegebound kids, definitely. Today was the last practice of the season, and the sweetest moment was coming out here while , you know, we were setting up the barbecue and folding their uniforms, and looking out onto the field, and seven or eight of the kids were playing. This year we have first and second grade. We are going to expand to third, forth, and fifth grade next year bring them out and if you have middle school kids, we are starting a team for middle school. You know why . Why . Because we are . Bayview united. Thats right. 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Good afternoon and welcome to the San Francisco Historic Preservation Commission Regular hearing for wednesday august 7, 2019. I would remind members of the public to please silent your mobile devices that may sound off during these proceedings. I will take a role at this time. [roll call] first on your agenda is general Public Comment. I have no speaker cards. Any member of the public wish to address the commission . Closed Public Comment. Department matters, director announcements. No announcements. Review of planning Staff Commission report and announcements. Is the Planning Commission on recess . Sorry, still none. [laughter] okay. Commission matters president s report and announcements. No report. Consider ration of adoption drive minutes for the july 17, 2019 regular hearing. Any member of the public wish to comment on our draft minutes from july 17 . Okay. Closed Public Comment. I move they be approved. Second. On that motion to adopt the minutes for july 17. [roll call] cell moved. The Motion Commission comments and questions, item number five. V. P. Matsuda after our july 17, 2019 hearing, i received a phone call from supervisor ronans office regarding the motion to include the wolsey project on our landmark designation. If there is nothing else, we can move on to your consent calendar. It is considered to be routine by the Historic Preservation commission and may be acted upon by single roll call. There will be no separate discussion of this item unless a member of the commission public, or staff so requests. Item six, 20181321, at 78 carmelita street. I have no speaker cards. Any member of the public wish to take this off the consent calendar . Closed Public Comment. Commissioners . I move that we approve it. I second it. Thank you. [roll call] so moved. The motion passes unanimously 50. Regular calendar for item number seven, the hub plan, 30 van ness project, and hub housing sustainability district. This is for your review and comments. May have the screen please . Good afternoon. My name is i am the senior preservation planner for the hub plan at 30 van ness, then 98 franklin Street Project on the hub housing sustainability district. Joining me today are allison, sql research is manager at the Planning Department. I would like to note that we have a stenographer present to create a transcript of todays proceedings. I would encourage commissioners, members of the public to speak will slowly and clearly to assist this process. The public review. For the hub project began on july 25, 2019 and will land at 5 00 p. M. On september 9, 2019. The Commission Members will provided with links at the notice of public hearings and notice of availability of the draft eir on july 25, 2019. Today we are here to provide an opportunity for your commission to provide its comments on the draft eir to the Planning Commission and the department. As part of the hearing today you will receive public testimony. I would like to remind everyone that comments made by the public at this hearing should be directed to assisting the commission in formulating its comments on the draft eir and want to be responded to. If a member of the public would like to make a comment on the draft eir, attend the Planning Commission hearing on thursday august 29, 2019. The San Francisco Planning Department proposes to rezone portions of an area of San Francisco within the boundaries of the downtown civic center, south of market Western District and mission neighborhoods. The 84acre area is referred to as the hub. It would amend the 2,008 area plan of the San Francisco general plan focusing on the eastern portions of the plan. The hub plan improves plans to streets and sidewalks. The street scape and Street Network improvements are analyzed at a project specific level and the draft eir. Two individual Development Projects 30 van ness and 98 franklin street are evaluated. The proposed project at 30 van ness includes retentions of portions of the existing 75foot tall, fiveStory Building and construction of a 45 foot Story Building with ground floor retail space. Thirtythree floors of residential space and vehicular bicycle parking. The proposed part project at 98 franklin street, demolition of the vehicular project parking lot. It would be occupied by new facilities for the International High school. The 98 franklin street site would include vehicular parking and bicycle space. This eir evaluates the designation of portions of or all of the hub plan area as the housing sustainability district. In accordance with Assembly Bill 73. Through adoption of an ordinance by the San Francisco board of supervisors would allow the city to exercise streamline approval of residential and mixed Development Projects meeting certain requirements. Qualifying projects would still be required to implement applicable mitigation measures identified in this eir, and would comply with adopted Design Review standards and all existing city laws and regulations. Projects that qualify under the provisions of the hst would not be subject to further environmental review. The draft eir finds the proposed project, even with the implementation of mitigation measures would result in significant and unavoidable impacts with respect to Cultural Resources, transportation and circulation, the remainder of this presentation will focus on Historic Architectural resources. First i would like to provide a summary of Historical Resources located inside the hub area. The hub plan area contains humoa in read. Historic resources shown districts are shown in a variety of shades. Several of the individual resources and historic districts, within the plan area are designated under articles ten and 11 of the planning covariate the area also contains Historical Resources that were identified and passed the surveys that cover all or part of the area. [reading notes] several Additional Resources were identified through the ceqa review process. An Additional Survey was prepared in conjunction with the hub area plan eir. This survey, the hub plan Historical Resources survey, or simply the hub survey, was conducted between 2,018 and 2019 to have plan area. Along with california register of Historical Resources eligibility findings. A preliminary analysis of the hub plan area determined that 27 buildings within the hub area require new evaluations. This was because either the buildings had not been preselected for intensive level evaluation and past surveys. Were not age eligible at the time of the surveys. Meaning they were not 45 years old. Had designations or evaluations that were determined not to be sufficient for the purposes of the survey. Or, because no information came to light indicating new potential areas of significance. This had to do with lgbtq history or modern architectural history. Of the 27 buildings evaluated, five were identified as individually eligible Historic Resources. This includes the San Francisco Womens Centers at 5563 brady street. The San Francisco buyers club, then gantner and mattern Company Building at 1453 mission street, the mirrored flat type residential building at 16181624 Howard Street and the San Francisco Human Services Agency Building at 170 otis street. The draft eir has identified significant and unavoidable impacts with regard to Historical Resources area the first impact states that the hub plan would cause could cause a substantial adverse change in the significance of individual built environment, resources and or historic districts. Foz on making this determination the draft eir considered, which would be accomplished by introducing changes in existing land controls and zoning to provide a flexibility and allowed allow land uses. Of these 18 sites, three contained listed or eligible historic buildings. [reading notes] could you repeat those again . Sure. Of the 18 sites where zoning controls and land uses are changing, three contain Historical Resources. These are; 170 otis street. Ninetynine south van ness. And ten south van ness. Van ness has a separate eir that has been evaluated separately. In addition to these three sites, it is anticipated that implementation of the hub plan would result in increased development throughout the hub plan area. Although implementation of the hub plan would not immediately change the significance of the horse toric resource. For the purposes of the eir analysis, foreseeable result of zoning control changes proposed under the hub plan could be demolition of the Historic Resources, or their alteration in adverse manner. Regarding districts, there draft eir has evaluated potential impacts all historic districts within or adjacent to the hub plan area and determine the plan could result in Significant Impact to one. To address the impact, the hub draft eir includes mitigation measures required for projects located on the site of Historic Resources. The first such measure would require sponsors to seek feasible means for avoiding impacts to Historic Resources, by designing a project that meets the secretary of the interior standards for rehabilitation. A special project were not feasible, the sponsor would be required to consult with the Planning Department to determine if a feasible project that minimized the to the retention of significant architectural elements would be desirable. If avoidance of impacts to Historic Resources is determined to be infeasible, number of another mitigation measures would be required. These medications were partially compensate under the hub plan. However, because demolition of both environment resources or alteration in an adverse manner could still occur, the impact would remain significant and unavoidable, after the application of a mitigation. The second significant and unavoidable impacts, with regard, cul title i. The hub plan and accumulation would result in demolition or alteration of environment one. It determine the mitigation measures listed above would not reduce the hub plans contribution to the cumulative impact to a less than considerable level, and the impact would remain significant and unavoidable with mitigation. Other Cultural Resource impacts were determined to be less than significant, and less than significant after mitigation. I refer you to the draft eir for the full impact discussion. Department staff, and the caps on team identified seven alternatives to the hub plan, the hub hst and 98 franklin street and 30 van ness. Because these projects result in less than Significant Impacts to Historic Resources, as proposed, a discussion of the four alternatives related to these projects is omitted from this presentation. The three alternatives to the hub plan and hub hs the are as follows. Alternative a, the hub plan and hub hsd alternatives which approves the existing zoning. It assumes no adoption of the hub plan or hub hsd. Alternative b, the hub Plan Land Use only alternative, which assumes the same policies and encode a general plan amendments with the hub plan and the hsd except that the alternative would exclude the street scape and Network Improvements and alternative see, the hub plan reduced intensity alternatives which modifies the building assumptions of the 18 sites identified for height and bulk increases and requires that all projects involving Historic Resources conformed to the secretary of the interior standards for rehabilitation. Alternative a would involve less intensive and the involvement area. It is possible even absent the hub plan and hub hsd Historical Resources could be demolished. Policies encourage but do not require retention of Historic Resources. Therefore the impact of alternative a on individual built environment resources and historic districts would be significant and unavoidable with mitigation. Similar to the hub plan although some what reduce peak because of less develop my pressure. Alternative be the same alternative sites as the hub plan but would not involve streetscape and Street Network improvements. However because streetscape and Street Network improvements are not a major contributor to the impacts associated with them limitation of the hub plan, in an unavoidable impact to Historical Resources. Alternative c, avoiding specific built environment resources and would require substance and develop my projects located at the Historic Resources to meet the secretary of interior standards for rehabilitation. Therefore, handbags to less than Significant Impact to Historic Resources. Only one alternative c would result in a less than Significant Impact to the Historic Resources. The draft eir identifies alternative see as they environmentally motive. Before the presentation ends i would like to remind everyone that a public hearing on the draft eir before the Planning Commission is scheduled for thursday august 29, 2019. Comments on the draft eir must be submitted orally at the Planning Commission hearing or in writing to the Planning Department by 5 00 p. M. On monday september 9, 2019 for them to be responded to. After the Planning Commission hearing, the Planning Department will publish a response to the comment documents which will contain Department Responses to all relevant comments on the draft eir. Publication will be followed by a hearing before the Planning Commission where the Planning Commission will consider certification of the final eir. This ends my presentation. City staff and members of the project team are available to answer any questions you may have. Thank you. Any questions . I do have a question. Could you put up the slide, the third slide i think that showed, you know, i think it was the next slide, yeah, thats the one. The area, im sorry, go back one where the districts okay. I just wanted to be sure where that was. That is an intense little residential block there. Correct . Yes. Thank you. There was a Community Sponsor proposal of a district in the area, right and we were talking about expanding that. Im not familiar with our proposal. Thats okay. Thank you. Lets open this up to Public Comment. Any member of the public wish to address the commission on this agenda item . Closed Public Comment. Commissioners . What is it that we are being asked to do . That was not clear to me. Good question. This is a draft eir on the hub area plan on the two projects, and the hsd. This is review, and comment if you have any concerns or questions on the Historic Resources portion of the draft eir. We will take on those comments, and those will be submitted to the Planning Commission, praying to their hearing and also to the er oh and they will be responded to. In the past, as i recall, when things like this, draft eir come up, the question was whether or not the commission thought there had been a fair analysis of the issues from the Historic Preservation point of view. Assuming that to be the case, whether or not the alternatives presented reasonably addressed those issues. When i looked at this, i looked at it with those questions in mind. Did i do the right thing . Or, is this supposed to be some freeforall . [laughter] i see a panicked look there. I think this is different than a proposed project. This is more complicated, perhaps commissioners, then the eir you see that a project specific. But, what we are requesting a view is the same did we do an appropriate job analyzing the impacts on Historic Resources, alternatives represent a broad enough range . That is what i wanted to be confirmed. To follow up on that, whether or not the mitigation measures we looked at were adequate . I have a couple of questions that might facilitate some conversation. On the mitigations, we have cul one eight, and the way it was presented in the presentation, that is the primary mitigation and if that is not achievable then it goes to be, c, and d. We wanted to be able to pull from both of them, its an idea that if we can get a project that we think meets the standards that we do not have an impact and we dont mitigate. There is the second step which is if the project doesnt meet standards and we can do a routine elements project then we would still pull from those areas mitigations, as well. Its sort of a combination. What we are getting out there is a process where we can try to get an approved project, but then if we cant get something that meets the standards then we would basically have a sweep of mitigations that we could apply in regards to what the project is in the building was appropriate. Two followup questions. On the individual projects, they will each individually be analyzed under ceqa and impacts . To clarify, deeming the two projects that are at 98 franklin and 30 van ness . No. All of these projects that are identified in this area that are Historic Resources. When projects come forward for those that will be a separate analysis on the impacts and if it meets the standards then it will be determined one way, if its article ten or 11 it may come before us. There is no change in article ten or 11. There is an ability with the hsd that projects would become ministerial, so that they wouldnt necessarily have a separate ceqa document. And then the variety of other mitigations would still apply through how the ordinance is implemented. That would be the case for those projects that are ministerial. What we would do is Community Planning exemption which is our standard process what we do with easter neighborhoods or central soma projects. The goal here was to try to build those mitigations into the plan so that each project knew in advance what they were and how they were route. Thats kind of a twostep approach her. When projects move forward they will still be able to rely on the plan and the mitigation measures of that plan and move forward without having to deal on a more expensive Environmental Impact report or an analysis, they can rely on the plan exemption. The hst which is the housing sustainability district is relatively new concept. The one that was adopted for central soma was the first in the state. This relies on a bill that was put forward by in three years ago now, that basically says if you have a recently adopted 2018015774coa and plan, that establishes mitigations that does what it is supposed to do in that eir. The city can designate housing sustainability, or housing projects are not completely ministerial. No separate review, no ceqa so we can approve them. I think we have a very limited timeframe like four months to approve them. We just established the first one in central soma. The city can establish its own parameters. Only a project up to 16 defeat, i think, can but, the hope is to do the same thing here in the hub. Projects a certain size, or whatever can be approved ministerial e. In which case, we would still have the mitigation measures to rely on. Otherwise if we didnt have the mitigation measures for Historic Resources in their we would not be able to consider Historic Resources in this hsd process. Its a little bit unusual, its a new animal, but that is our approach. There wont be any project related eirs . Probably not. We dont know for sure. But probably not. There could be other environmental documents that tear off of it, yes. There is a lot of information that was presented so i may not have found it, may its in here. Where does it say that one a is the first step and if not achievable it goes if i had a proposed project could i comments i am going to mitigate this and please give me my approvals . How do we make sure that does not happen . Sure. The only thing, planning staff, in mitigation measure cul 1b, he begins by saying where avoidance is not feasible where as in measure cul 1a. They shall undertake and that it lists the additional mitigation measures. This wasnt covered in the presentation but it is in the text. Okay. Cleverly disguised. Before you sit down, i dont have the text of it in front of me, could you identify alternate c again. I just need a summary, not a detail. I just want the basic. I think i understand. Alternate c assumes reduced intensity, in the 18 develop meant. It also requires that projects that involve Historic Resources conformed to the secretary of interiors standards. That is one of the three alternatives not the proposed project . Correct. This would assume, a number of the sites are tiny, they are like a 25 by 100 site or something. This would assume that there would be different height and bulk requirements for those 18 sites, is that what this is saying . Not that have been defined, but yes. We would basically need a project that meets the standards. We would need flexibility on that. We havent gotten into establishing height and bulk in relationship to the alternatives that would be effectively the requirements. I have one last, we talked about this, the language here on the elements, for the sake of the commission can you explain to us, this has been incorporated previously, but we are in the process of developing our own retains elements of policy for direction to give direction to the public. Can you give us a little background of how we got to this language i wanted be used previously. In the central selma eir, there is a similar mitigation that we base this mitigation on which basically has the department and the project sponsor review whether or not saving the projects, that meets the standards is feasible. So then we have them prepare a feasibility report, that basically is similar but not exactly the same as the alternative process. They look at their proposed project, they go through what the project goals are, and then they look at if they were to keep a building or a portion of the building how feasible is that and then staff looks at that and determines whether or not that project d