Care of your problem. Redaction could a take care of your problem that is fine if you just filled the form then youre also not having the issue of the spouses for personal and private information up on a website and theres some of those things you cant control put the cover page up youve got it. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Thank you hello, again rebecca ryan with the association ive mentioned the training issue i meant to mention the issuing of fines that wretches of the requirement and importance of people getting the information to do it correctly i want to talk about the list of employers that are designate filers if you go to the Government Code Section online youll see department by department who those designated filers are you tell you there is no analysis or rhythm or reason for the current listing the designated filers in some cases it simply says manage 0 one introduce 7 and in cases ive found an interim a receptionist an larger than from my prospective if we are talking about expanding access to that information we need a conversation about who appropriate filers are how theyre identified and the criteria that requires someone to be a filer i think the thing we all understand in the and the language in the ordinance is very clear about who are required filers i think people understand what their Department Heads or effected officials the screen that is put over them in terms of transparency is elevated i dont believe that many of the people who would, impacted by this particular change at least as the lions share are structured and theyre simply submitted by the departments i dont believe those people have any idea they can could be subject to scrutiny and no liability reason for them to be scrutinized in this way it is a k34r5ik9d issue but requires also some analysis and object activity at the departmental level who are appropriate designated filers regardless of where theyre going to file thank you. May i ask you a question thats a concern how is the decision made who files the form 7 hundred and because the purpose of the form 7 hundred to advise the public so the public can find out if there are conflicts those kinds of transparent well, once a Department Says manage level one or two must file it is difficult to understand how we can say but they dont have the same requirements of Something Else filing the 7 hundred ive i agree with you may be what needs to be looked at are the appropriate people being required because those of us who file them know they are very intrusive and i agree many midlevel employees maybe no reason why they need that because youre not considering them to have conflict issues. You thought mined correct me if i am wrong subject Matter Experts i thought that meant potential influence that intersected with conflict; right . So if i had the ability impact something that i had i was somehow a lot on frngs for example, for a receptionist for example i might not answer the phone number phone call because i dont like the person because theyre my neighbor or whatever i dont understand what possible reason there could be and the thing about any classification of the people in the city they dont youll kinds of things many of which dont have that policy or Decision Making authority i think that is part of the problem the department probably error on the side over some departments may error on the side of over listing to avoid a missing something it didnt come to mondays attendance i dont think until you talk about something that expand educatess dramatically as this does. Thank you. Thank you. Good evening, commissioners im Alex Thompson a representative with local 21 we represent over 4 thousand employees at the city and county of San Francisco many are part of that tier two fielders we openly respect rebeccas concerns about the problems because of this i want to highlight one thing as an example we represent the housing inspectors at the city and county of San Francisco an important job we understand someone might have to file a form 7 hundred in case they were told to inspect one of our properties when information is online it is easily seasonal the potential of having someone retaliate against that inspector for an inspection and tell the public you have to spend money telling them something they dont like the public can google that inspectors name and also because of a lack of training theres a potential that inspector could be disciplined by the city for not having filed out tracer form you minimal for our members we have concerns and look forward to having a discussion we think this needs to say vetted properly and have questions questioning of the list we support the process and our members filed out this form the main issue once again it is outburst felt bag in the way the public can easily get access to that information it causes a lot of the concerns about the members privacy and the spouses privacy and the impacts on the livelihood most of the folks were not told to fill out the form 7 hundred to work here ntd not part of the condition of employment now your private information is on the online for anyone in the public to find this important thing to continue the discussion but youve heard a lot of our concerned we think that a meet and confer with the city is appropriate and look forward to having that meeting. Thank you. Good evening, commissioners charley off the record and im representing myself and not the common cause an organization i once represent but i did want to revisit some previous history the commission had a conflict which they is what we are talking about and actually fined the individual 15,000 that person asked for a waiver of the fine based on the fact then not able to pay it and they demonstrated to the commission satisfaction that was the case and the fine was largely waived in not entirely waived i got wind this employee was an employee of the state i went off looking for any s e i evidence for this individual and encourage you for fun looking a state employee where you dont know if theyve filed American People s e r ii 2r5kd down a document we found evidence i brought that to the commission that individual was, in fact negotiating the purchase of two homes they were pleading poverty to the commission there was no remedy for the commission except that fact so for the people that are here tonight i wanted to recount this story how valuable an s e i is and how accessibility of that information is also excelling important in a timely way so i thought id give you that story thats an old one im sure we dont have this problem but i dont know. I want to thank everyone for being here i know that took an effort to bring you 5 out for this night thank you for coming. Good evening, commissioners im mark Southern California planning man live in the North District this is technology possible to insult online data sources from the sources by google are there is no problem to take this information but to make sure that the people are closet to the elected officials with conflict of interest the management of the city is held account to the folks ive sown there my advocacy the management is eager to please those who are exposed but want to make sure there is transparent i like the union and the managers that is a fun th if there is a possibility of people having hardships have people file and go ahead and get the records they were easy to delay get them in pdf file weve seen the powell result and embed and take the unities interest into account. Good evening. Im here with the friends of ethics a number of fast points there are circumstances you want to redact the information on a filer for example, a filer living at a bearded womens shelter we dont make the addresses possible but an employee or a person that has an restraining order you dont want that information exploded to the point when you talk about having redactions and exemptions he need to spell how out with clarity the basis so it is not true this is one thing the second thing in terms of training i was a form 7 hundred filer with the city and a federal employee who had to file federal forms all of those are done by train online that is mentioned a quiz you take and didnt answer everything so if you have a whole lot of holdings at ida b. Wells do you have to list all of them those kinds of questions readily pop to mind that kind of training didnt take a lot of staff time this is a state form no reason why ethics cant move forward with other agencies across the state to develop a protocol and training people can assess at their homes or office and have a Group Meeting we have a case people have to file under perjury people signed statements they knew were not true people came before this commission in the past year who filed without disclose or not disclosing they have a conflict of interest and had funding to an agency that funded them the commission if this it those things were not filed with the commission but at the departmental level later a situation people were not required to file like aids to supervisors thats been changed because of the grand juror but a periphery that accepted free cruz cruise to the ref i cant remember and met with rec and park to get a waive of the rules there are things you really do have a significant and serious reason for president the information i suggest that you send it back and when i send that back do a robust outreach to include groups with the Sunshine Task force and those who are transparency oriented not to see only did filers. Thank you. Im bob to be specific i do support the expansion of requirement that everything be filed with and through ethics theres been a lack of concreteness here tonight and a lot of ab straktsdz so im going to talk about of the experience ive had youve already heard training can be online a dozen years ago it was Film Training in herbs auditorium but it needing not be a bumping for the ethics staff or departmental staff the state training is a specific training youve got to spend x amount of hours i knew it i flunked because i turned in my time before the x hours was complete a state requirement it is simple city can amplify that or specific some training this is a red herring that is going to be burdensome on staff lets look at the specification that are department that have people that score or evaluate proposals and requests for grants you really need to understand who those people are that may not be them but the Commission People that generate those scores and analyze are the ones that in effect make the dignities maker tilt one way or the other. If you dont know who they are are maybe their spouse its part of a company it is bidding or has some other bit of information that can be relevant so people at that level it is important to understand how much they influence the Decision Making when you here from ethics staff anyone can go to a department be real and concrete how eight hundred a person know that go of they said that from ethic you know go there how many will take the trip to the airport and when you find out who the airport offends are thats a lot of labor the puc has mull, if you will departments some can be filed at hetch hetchy or a number of places you dont want people all over the place a common database makes is it easier to track what is going on at the depended with the executive director or the levy level that sits up the analyze it is worth sun shininging having consistent filing with you folks maybe you want to let the departments do it but you need to be the Central Depository thank you any other Public Comment in the or. Any commissioners want the gentleman said looking to us to see whether or not we had some concrete comments on the proposed regulations and where whether we think that is a good way to go or bad way or whatever comes. One question i want to go back to the point of ms. Ryan how do we determine with any consistency who the second tier socalled second tier employees that are subject to this filing who determines that . So jack briefly alluded to this im sorry director sincroy so every two years every even number of years i work with the choifks and we send anti nos to the department each Department Head or designee asking him to add and inducting and amend their section of the conflict of interest that designates it is up to each time difficult head theres a Legal Section and they dont need to to be the final person but someone in the process but necessarily it is somewhat of a somewhat of a gray standard who should or shouldnt file a form 7 hundred we felt my office and the Clerks Office the department is the best place not to look at each departmental regulation who should be and not it is the departmental heads call. Yet from what i heard there are questionable individuals or job titles i mean, we dont need interims to be filing i question the jobs given to the informing for this kind of filing i want to see a process there are greater consistency and understanding who really has any kind of influence we should be concerned about we do audits and maybe at some point there can be a process you know not wanting to burn our staff but some kind of process time after time to audit different departments to the completed that have filed form 77 hundred and whether or not theyre really necessary and would it jack or jessie can you comment is that like a burdensome project for staff. Im not sure it is an interesting idea as andrew said one of the things were were relying on the Department Heads and their understanding of what their staff does interim most people how can an interim make a decision beyond that by a department by department basis it would probably take a decent amateur of ramp up northbound understanding all the classifications and certainly ms. Ryan and other folks you might look to for help the departmental heads i guess but there would be sort of a ramp up in understanding the department and the duties that sort of thing thats not much of an answer im sorry it is a decent amount of work. It is something to think about ill agree with some of the other comments that there are detail to be sh8g9s and meetings with the units and get that interaction so we do this in a way that works for everybody. Certainly one the things the commission can consider you know with the substance of the proposal as we put is it there the process for requesting compelling circumstances there could be a dignities to sort of how the process you think folds as we go forward with it for this year or wait until folks go have kind of addressed this issue for filing and that sort of thing. I also have a question for it manage about big deal to protect information rededicated information and privacy you know the gentleman spoke about that go there recent systems we make sure that certain individual their information is protected. You know of your protecting against google are one step away from that the user comes to the site theyll run a Research Even though their not using google one step removed but still mr. Chair im a little bit more on the side were talking about a lot of abstract to the hard to nail down the practice a cattle for the departments the Mayors Office for the office of Economic Workforce Development is 20, 22 25 million and the did you want that is warmed up of 12. 0 and hundred how many staff how you could come up with something that would uniformly apply so for me and ill just say im approach this in a fundamental rudimentary way ill see a document from the Department Heads on their procedures on their rational but dpw is not using the same rational another oewd id like to see from the departmental heads or their delegate necessary though they internal contemplate that and ultimately come up with some kind of policy or practice that creates tier one and two individuals during Public Comment that was mentioned Decision Makers throwing a rfp process the procurement process that truly could have impact that is true as a Community Member through highup and sometimes programmed that are deeply embedded between the department and not Decision Makers on any particular day except that day they need to make a decision on an rfp again there is an inconsistency within the department we talk about the procurement. Commissioner hur i share the concerns of any fellow commissioners one this problem already exists right their filing form 7 hundred and inconsistently piloted that is a problem that exists frankly, if theyre going online managers will go look carefully and more education and people will be more selective in making sure in terms of noticing and the power of those not on the list some problems may soft themselves there will be some consistency if youre leaving it would the Department Heads that is hard for the people on the outdoor to look at this im okay with some consistentcy once again we you could or fshgd those those online is a big it is useful as long as we have the redactions that are proposed by staff ive not heard compelling reasons why we need things like phone numbers and addresses of tenants and that kind of thing so if we redact that workout 9 issues with the union but we should go forward. Im curious that the letter that went out from one of the unions or a couple of unions talked about this being part of the Bargaining Agreement now what are they refer to say there an agreement between the unions and the employees in a Given Department if they dont file form 7 hundred what is the position that you have to meet and confer with the unions. Yeah. So under state law im an expert ill try to get the broad outlines the state laws from the employer changed the conditions theres a requirement to meet and confer with the united about the changed in policy. But whats the change. The change would be exactly what wear talking about instead of having the forms 7 hundred and hard copies to officers having the 7 hundred posted on the website thats the change as weve discussed weve got some closer of the personal information those things are not changed but the question how to access the information going forward. Thats what we want to discuss. From the department added with whatever union it was that is covering its employees that we wont put them obama regardless of what we say that will be fine correct. I think that is just i mean, we certainly dont know whats going to happen but have a good discussion a