A counterbalance to china. With much fanfare at the recent new daily g to at the meeting, someone who will be out of aging for them tomorrow is the same as scar, vice chairman of the built in rhode institute. Hes also southwest asia coordinator at the schiller institute, new joints, even stockholm and sweden. This is a thanks so much for coming on the show. Ive got the, the book that you wrote a few years ago, extending the new silk road to west asia and africa. But of course, while tomorrow it may be this, the, the, the forum im showing kind of escaped you, that the nature nation propaganda media says its basically a failure easily is leaving. China as partners are all in depth. China is a proper, the market is collapsing with you probably say actually that to improve again. There may be some dramatic events, success and will that be discussed tomorrow . Youre going to be there . Yes. So thank you. Ill shoot for it. I mean its my pleasure. Yeah. Sure, i mean, all these predictions that i says when i think you have 2000, china has collapsed many times. According to these, a twos say theres uh, you know, producing chinas fall in collaborative, has been going on for 20 years, is not going to happen. China has a completely different structure. It cannot be expected either about chinas own growth and development is dependent on the growth and their loved in the world, which is an interesting actually factor we can discuss about this uh the road floor on tomorrow is a very, very important a combination of a series of the some is involving mostly this global styles. Remember we had the, the russia africa test on the china africa assignment. This year. We had the briggs summits, which now depot grades, the new members a very, very significant the develop. And also the end of last year we had the china error summit and china adult Corporation Council summit. Now, all these things involved trying to, and all these things in go, the bills are Road Initiative and it is incorporated in all these uh, developments knowledge of wanting to remind people that theyve built and bRoad Initiative is i think its going to be easiest ways. Great, this, the Biggest Development initiatives right, is cold and also the depths that the we have seen this so far. I think the most important issues which will be presented, i guess is 1st of all is that that we have now the test, any verse we have been for be a demonstration. Ill bet you missed something built in about initiative the last 10 years. All the projects which were built all the developments, but also the resilience of the road in the face of all these. Do they uh, predictions that despite all the vilification and the negative media attacks, but does it go by facts on the bills are road. Its that increasing and membership. Now we have 152. 00 nation joining that then sort of the international organizations. And so the nations were outside the delta road are actually today of minority. Its important to, i think, to note that the males enrolled into, should do pass is tablets. A new model for trash Boundary International cooperation based on the comic cooperation Economic Development. Without affecting, without interfering in the sovereignty of nations on the political, social, and cultural structures of nations. Which makes it unique, that these nations bank, we, on certain more universally accepted principles that are related to the Economic Development that grows eliminating poverty and aligning the policies, coordinating the policies to reach the goal, the sustainable level, often both. Okay, but that because of i thing is that the thing is that uh, i mean obviously nature propaganda major is not going to mention the band dont get caught a High Speed Railway as they discuss the fact the inventors of Railway Britain gone even have a high speed railing from london to the, to the north of england. But so what do you say about the fact that the washington i may have had to bailouts or lanka which i was trying to 41000000000. 00. And the fact that the total bailout loans from china, which means when you a 2021 or 240000000000. 00, youll get an engine team and well get to a bucket fund gone. Those ambia are in default of the build mode is not going uh the way that the Chinese Communist party predicted it in quite a few countries as a fail. I think there is mixing of a apples and oranges here. We have a Global Financial crisis and the most effective nations are the United States and europe to britain. As everybody comes. Notice we have an International Financial on banking system, which is not based on Economic Development. Then growth is based on financial speculation, gambling which has ruined many nations. And now we have had a series of crises including the praying prices. That will be 19 prices, which one, many, many nations dental are they can always have financial situations. This has nothing to do with china. It has nothing to do with that. But with the initiative these nations, which everybodys talking about now. So wed like to come back to styles. Im the many nations in africa. These have been in these difficulties long time ago. And the real death trap was actually set up before china. And the bells arose, came bumped to the sea of these nations. How seemed their economies being exploited by this moment . Colonial powers. There was civil wars, they were terrorism. There is the cold with 90, nobody. They say passion to these things. We did the federal investigations all the cases of street are and go back in style and zambia. And the causes of their prices have nothing to do with china. China as portions about the death of these nations in 3 lock up and that is only 10 percent on top of that, the 10 percent of china is, is, is uh, as low as 3000. 00 cups is the finance in for aspects of progress will make it sweet 9 to come out of it. Surprises while the 90 percent. Thats incurred advisory lines of belonging to west as private and multi level financial interest is the docs has all contributed to any blows of this. We dont get that much. It was the aspect, but that debt still exists and isnt the point that the facts that uh and the mill road may be succeeding in so many other countries away from all of that propaganda. Well delegates tomorrow understand that it is in the interest as the the hawks in washington see it to destroy all the progress created by the built in rhode Initiative Like weve seen with the United States. Its got you raj and tina. Weve seen the with him run con claims and focused on happened to him and weve seen, nor the stream pipelines being destroyed by the, by the administration. So well delegates fully understand that this conference in badging, the, the United States, the fed off the ukraine, china, thats what you grain is about. Theyll destroy the infrastructure that everyone will be excitedly discussing tomorrow. Well, i think the reason of these patients, ive come to badging to attend this oral tomorrow because they believe that this is an important aspect of the future Economic Development and uh, which can also lead to peace if it actually, i dont believe that is indeed for us of the United States and europe, they used to destroy a trying not to destroy the bells our own efforts in their interest to promote we say our new job, were seeing the European Union arguably act against since economic interest. Repeatedly, as it followed the United States from one more into another, and all china ever does is a issue harsher and harsher words against us foreign policy. We see that from the statements made by a Chinese Government spokesman, but, you know, just looking for the United States doing in the philippines. This. Yeah, it is, the Chinese Communist party even understand how many us basis around it left us own surround all the Infrastructure Projects around the world. Yes, we have a very dangerous at the security and it is a situation in the world which is the because of the aggressive policies of nato and the United States. And of the difference in philosophy. This is where this whole issue of the bell is our own its. Its a new philosophy of governance among nations where it is that the prosperity of china is down and burned the prosperity of other nations including the United States. Now this is going to be a bit of a huge up table. All the governors philosophy we have have the 0 sum game that jump political manipulations is not the interest of the United States that china developed our route sales. This is something which surprises shots, the Chinese People why youre in the United States are acting against their own interest. Well, of course they dont realize that they may have certain leads into the nice stays. Well, im not really serving the people of the, the, the of the nations, but thats sort of a special economic and financial security. But thats where the industrial interest. This is something very important for the chinese brand, is that because every time they, they see what the United States is doing, they see why this is counter productive. Why are they doing this . So we have a shift in the Global Situation at the end of the day. We ology will be the judge northwest. But the dishes, whats the traffic just talked about because they cut the realities of the comics, social and financial collapse, and cultural collapse in the west. And in your praise, apple and in the United States. This will be determining factors. And the success of china is all as its neighbors. The ascii are found space. And many of its, uh, click on all these boxes. This will improve the, you know, at the end of the day, which way the weather has to go. Look, we have had this fantastic development, but the brakes we had the shy fault ration organization expanding more and more nations bumped to joint that there was a completely new power Diamond International relations. Which those nations are, you know, hoping to join because they have them all face and soul. In these. So uni paula was the United States, a naval im the you have to be. And we dont know when the United States and do you will wake up. So thats we ology, but the rest of the world, the majority of the global majority people, the mobile stuff, is moving already. Its a different direction. The only thing which will stop is that cut back to this make an event. Such a was more which will be followed by nuclear weapons. Otherwise, this new Global Economic warner with china is leading russia. Is there the break stations are there . The ill see ive got to be asia is there, and now there are countries. I wont be that direction. Africa is moving direction. Many companies in south america moving that direction. Nothing can stop that unless we have a global war. And well, ill get to the issue as well. Ill get to these reward. But to me, you mentioned cultural collapse, you c, l, e to control of media and culture in nato nations is so strong that the many ordinary working people do perceive china as an enemy. Possibly because of the propaganda or in the daily news. And of course, with the age of hollywood, is just trying to understand how it not only supports any message that you might have given just now in the developing world where america is still seeing the United States, as youll seen as a, as progressive in some way rather than regressive it develop it, disabilities the developing world, let alone maybe even in china, let alone the working classes, often nato countries. So actually that quite unified in nature, countries on the United States, behind the model of as you see it, self destruction. Oh yeah, thats unfortunate, that is a terrible but i think there will be shifts even in, in europe and in my space as people realize that this is not, this is suicidal but germany is doing is suicide. The german industries, many german duster exactly in the country that moving to asia and moving to the United States. Moving to the gulf guns we use because they find out that their petitions are the killer. And therefore they have to find somewhere else the to survive. Now how, how much pressure from the population will come close to force the political change in the United States and in europe is not clear. The elections in the United States will be very important. But i think the majority of people around the world have realized that the United States and you are especially with the quote with crisis which they all the weaknesses of that their, their power was expelled. And now the brain more even more. They suppose they are. The enable that the bees mighty powers, im not really able to do anything to, for example, defeats russia and the rest of the world. Now realizing that this is a strong man in the field which is carried, but it has a balance of substance. And you know, as a says that the state of affairs been but nations. I look whats happening in west africa as a and this guy, ill stop you. The more from the vice chairman of the belt and rodents viewed in sweden and South West Asia coordinator. The Center Institute of is right the the, the israels assault and the people about it continues unabated. And why wouldnt it is realize been given a blank check by the west to unilaterally and not be bound by any constraints to proceed as of which is a 2nd. My buck is being carried out again against the palestinians. The the welcome back to going on the ground. Im still here with the vice chairman of the building road institution, sweden whos saying this guy is a new, were about to talk about west africa, where theres been a lot of developments, obviously, uh, this year against the french imperialism. But youre also talking about the threats of global war that could stop the dreams of being talked about at tomorrows belton road to form for International Cooperation can, can the Shanghai Cooperation Organization add to built in road and replace um, well, can it be nato, basically in the context of what youre saying about war or . Yeah, i dont think the chinese and asian nations of the shining covers if they see themselves as the arrival would have to destroy the west. They dont want to have that china has been, but yeah, i didnt mean about destroying the assignments protecting the milton or hurt initiative. As i said, as i said before, we know how they destroy infrastructure from the north stream pipelines supplying natural gas and russia to germany. Every railway line, every road and rebuild that is created with Chinese Investment in partnership with developing well, the government is shortly on the threats or is this under threat, but nations are trying to protect themselves. Look at practice on, for example, the, the chinese engineers up in active building, the class, the roads, the boards app is under attack. Many, many times, many of them were killed by terrorist groups. Separate. This groups werent worthy, you know, for all the interest, but they never gave up. Because this is a, a, a, a pretty substantial question for both pakistan and china. So its very interesting because the chinese side is, is proving that really the Security Council on Economic Development all the other way around. If you dont have the comic development, if you dont have prosperity and society, its not the secure way. But dont you think every time china, i mean i was in damascus interviewing president , asked to be able to watch our interview and rumble. China was just making efforts to invest in reconstruction there. And the United States as allies were really bombarding is, have, as you said, impact your son can they not to, in spite of proxies as they have in the past, the terrorists, as theyre even cooled in the major nations with the, the, i dont get them to the thing so aging. Yeah. Yeah. Things are changing and looking, for example, at the symbolic gesture, when the chinese president incentives own president ial airplane to transport, president chavez, other fish, 1st lady to be to china for the summons. Basically, this is a shift in this or that you cannot strengthen and friends of the security of our friends. Now these are not the allies, the chinese dont like this, have allies. They like to have friends. But china is, is drawing a line there with it, but they clearly threatening the security regardless of that visit to magic because joe biden occupies a 3rd of the country there. And then as well, the elegy in northern syria, thats true. The reason that they are capable of doing that is because the turkey, which is an angel member, but also have not decided which way he wants to go. And iraq is an unstable country. So when these things run these nations for starting to think about their own future, that will shift and the United States will not have people to rely on to continue this policy. Look, i really dont think they have people to rely on in the leads of developing well nations who may school their own children at western Business Schools and the want their children to be educated in the nature of nations. They, they dont have enough in the lead to all these developing countries during building Road Initiatives that actually favor the new liberal model over the china is model. Yeah. Well those, those leaders, for example, and the children are being bobus thrown in west africa. Right now. Those were loyal to france and brought the of the United States that vehicle was wrong. Theres a new generation there, which is, you know, taking over low down more africans getting education in china today than africa is getting education in brittany and the United States. China has surpassed those 2 countries already in 2018. All the fries is still the trying to, for historical reasons. So nations, people will send their children there and the children, actually, the china will probably to russia and other places where they will get their education in the future. Because they realize that there was a homeless. The only thing in the west is doing is taking advantage of them. So there is a reality we have to talk about the economic realities of nations. This is what really the term is, everything at the end. Saudi arabia, the gulf countries have been loyal friends and allies of the west, but look at the ship which has taken place because those nations can no longer live with the fact that they have dependent every morning they have to look at the oil price on the tv screen, if they go to survive this month, so not dealing with 3. 00 major loyal shocks in the, in this decade, in 2014, 2016, a 2020 went saudi arrived. Yet the largest boiling spot was on the brinko going bankrupt. And do you know what that means socially and secure the terms . So saudi arabia have decided that they no longer going to go with the old system, where they can sell oil and buy luxury stuff. And for that, so they want to become an industrial nation and who is ready there with the engineering, scientific, technological capability to help them become an industrial nation. Is china. And thats why it did the last years summit between china as other ideas, 13 major cooperation agreements and very, very important sophisticated did listen to the speech given by president. She didnt think in his stomach with the gulf cooperation, causal leaders. There was 5 points which i would like to drill peoples very great. Right . Now, i will not mention them all of the very quickly. Besides, people focus too much on china wants to buy oil in the local currency and you walk from the gulf countries from knowledge of 2060, this is very important, but further seeds are being talked about industrialization, 5, g, 6, g to communication systems, proud Technology Space co Operation Technology in the space. Training astronaut, Nuclear Power development, a sort of sofa. So is a waste because its presented, which of course, given the nature of ation, media here is uh, you know, we even showing the us politicians talking about the war and ukraine really being about the future war on china. Its singleton easily talking about the fact the jo, bidens, india, middle east, your, because a little bit closer door. Imac is going to somehow, you know, make the belt road in nature to have some small footnote in history. Is it actually true . But it ends in perez board, which is controlled by the Chinese Government. Just describe quickly what this you have bite and the initiative which is being celebrated in nature propaganda media like the bbc and cnn actually is one of those, those bbc, us. Yeah, they dont want to think about economics unless does President Biden and the, the most of the funds are lying days. But they dont barely go about comics and barely go about geography. Now kind of does not control the autopay riots. The china is operating the product that has been corporation with the read government. China is not going to period was country they told me to do as board which was for sale. They use the you force grease to sell the auto tray us to pay his steps. Try that, came in and developed it now trying to is also building the railways. Everybodys talking about this in the middle east. The europe, a 40 north china is building the railways. Do these been your best f o u . I did. That. Didnt make it into videos and fall. I didnt make it into the news. Obviously, length of china, it was a central part of it, nor did it make any news in the bindings. I have to blame, change, and errors. United ever as china is involved in building that it has raised. A network in china is involved in the saudi land bridge projects. Its china build 2 major ports and these are out and 55 and i flew as the one i sold was. Okay, but what about by then blinking is build back better world and partnership for Global Infrastructure investment is youre all these just pos, schemes by native nations have helped by that propaganda media to try and attempt to, to make out basically a compatriot building road. Absolutely. They, you look, if you want to compete with the built around different build better foster railways, you should build better and more efficient power plants. You should build errors and more efficient ports and the airports United States, and youre unable to do these things anymore. They cannot finance them, they cannot bill, but they dont have the engineering as killed capacity with china. It has to be these things. So this is not the way its gonna be. These are just propaganda they. This is the 7th or 8th initiative boss. Its not the 1st well and all these things are like, all the air has no substance. You know what i well i see on the, on the other issue of no, no substance. And they give it up on the, on this says in gen genocide story that the week of they dont going underground as a, as a lie. And they give it up on talking about this fake genocide in nature. They are, its fading away. I call it the silly as jim assigned them district because for the 1st time the victims of genocide are growing in number and their Living Conditions are improving. This is a very silly kind of genocide. And therefore, you know that the, even the company is what were trying to sleep shinji i, they have to go back and work it and try and i wasnt trying to resolve it. Local. The big guys in the fine take at the banking is, are, these are big american, a furnish a european bass i, company, Everybody Knows is that they want to prosper and they want to have their business. They have to work with china. Now these, the whole situation ukraine has, but the big problem for working was russia, but the door is still open to china. And the one of those interesting things i shouldnt mention here is that the, you know, electricians doc live in reality when the ukraine war broke out. Uh, many things, parents and media and the way i said, oh, mr. Bolting kill, theres so pro, which they mean that theres this important right away from china, was prizes through central asia, because that style worship bellows into poland. This has become one of the most important transform andres for the induct fees on both ends and china. And youre especially the industrial mesa office to get an industrial now everybody was said, oh, when did they do the watering ukraine started, they said this is finished. Its got, i was almost the only one. I went then and it started investigating the whole thing. I said no, no, no, its not finished. This is going to actually continue and grow because youre and cannot survive without this. And therefore they didnt dockwood sanctions on the russian and bennett whose re weigh and con companies. So the, the trains continue to go from china to you from europe, to china. There was a short disruption at the beginning of the war 2 to 3 months. But it is continued that increase as i predicted. Now listen to this that you are right, thats 90 percent of the rare metals used in europe come from china. How do they come in a quick way . They come through this way, way was going to pass as through the nose of the russians and beloved was into poland. Many of the rear metals used in the, on the industrial youre including died, tax the munition use in the war in ukraine against russia. All these ro, materials they passed from china, russia, 2 bedrooms and 2 york. And they continued to do that until today. Thats reality. Reality is not determined by the dishes. Youre being industrious, especially in germany, well, most of by, without working with china. And without keeping the door open through bella luce and russia, this is my big argument that we have a physical and the comics reality and both dishes are not. Itd be out. If you want to talk about the economics. We already talked to business man. Talk to industrial this, how they see that the, how things are moving between the east and west, out into the attendance kind of the entire, the, the Global Supply chains are. This is what the chinese that frankly gets people dentist, that you cannot, the couple you cannot disentangled yourself. Otherwise you are, you are committing suicide as a nice guy. Thank you. And thats it for the show. Remember, we bring you brand new episodes every sunday and monday and until then, keep in touch via all social media, if its not sensitive in your country and had to channel going on the go on tv, hon dot com, to watch new and old episodes of going underground, so you see the the, theres many problems in u. S. Society now that theyre facing because of the, their model is again, its not able to fulfill the expectations of people guessing goals in, in, in, in homelessness, us and growth in poverty. This is a lot of traffic ations on the people who say so that they need to find a way to, to vote for, you know, solving their own problems and not trying to police the world the,