Transcripts For RT Going Underground 20240713

Talked to steve coogan and Michael Winterbottom about their satire on capitalism featuring the last ever on screen performance of u. K. Celebrity Caroline Flack pulitzer ball coming up in todays going on the ground 1st ahead of next weeks hearings on the trial of Julian Assange weve still heard nothing from u. K. Labor leadership contenders in defense of the wiki leaks publisher but one candidate for Deputy Richard bergen has been speaking out going underground to find ahmed caught up with him. Its important that we speak out against the actual vision of Julian Assange who could end up in prison in the United States of america for 175 years people have got to look at was his given reason was given rise to this situation youve got to look at the. Crimes that we kill akes exposed the truth the wiki leaks spoken for example look at the. Video which came out in 2010 a video which went around the world and horrified people showing innocent civilians in iraq being gunned down that wouldnt have been seen by other words if it hadnt have been quickly simulate the wall logs in relation to iraq and afghanistan and similarly the treatment of people in Guantanamo Bay it is because if wiki leaks the world knows about these things because it wiki leaks the world to see the evidence of these things vitally important in a democracy the. Truth is known that we know what the powerful do in our name in the name of every citizen in this country so we need to speak up for what we believe says dont need to depend defend press freedom we need to speak out against the extradition of junior sound the United States america through feeling these atrocities for revealing these crimes are really revealing the horrors of war and you fair with our son so now with a large majority in parliament where the journal and genocides does get exercise the United States due for parcells and assad cracking down on press freedoms head. I think one of the great problems with this situation is that its almost giving a warning to other journalists dont expose war crimes dont expose the truth dont expose the horrors of war because this may happen to you as well just imagine what would have happened when you look at the vietnam war and the trust that is committed by the united. States america that if the journalists who expose those atrocities were prosecuted afterwards its important that the world knows the truth and horror of war and we must carry on speaking out about this and just finally of course now john magaw and yourself have a pet is about a sculpture a massage but i wasnt as much what i was as much vocal support during the run up to the general election so will the labor party be mournful for sporting events and from now on well before the general election jeremy crowe been down our butts and myself and others spoke out against the extradition of julie the sound show believe should lie apart so it was clear on these matters of course the labor party itself now has to decide what it wants a leadership Going Forward to be clear on these matters but its a matter for labor members to decide. If the labor leadership can they reject bergan their joining me now is someone who refuses to be silent over julian songe things like cofounder roger waters roger thanks for coming in the studio at last the sign of a finely exactly youve been campaigning for julie as sancerre eloquently they have talked about them by Richard Berke and you know that the british Guardian Newspaper maybe channel 4 news if you watch that you could be forgiven for thinking you and Richard Bergen and others are basically campaigning for a russian agent whos committed sex arrives i mean everything that hes said now is true. How theyre even having these sex dition. Trial for Julian Assange is weird because its goes completely contrary as we know to u. K. Law so our law the law of this country the little that supposed to represent all wear wigs or addition treaty with the elated today has a treaty but it specifically precludes anything that could be claimed to be a political crime or a political misdemeanor which obviously this is because julian is is only crime is to speak the truth to the people and hes speaking truth though to a powerful elite to do not want the truth spoken to the people to go to serve is obviously believes that the espionage act that hacking these are crimes that you can exude i think they do i thin as 6000 the powers that be in washington d. C. Have decided that they want judean killed or at least imprisoned for the rest of his is health its extremely poll. And and they want to tell for that as an example its frightening to know that any minute they could be that standard issue kicking in the door and you know talk of and i stuffed into beaumarchais where you will stay until theyve had their way with you which is to silence you and any who might follow you which is that which is i mean apart from the fact that Julian Assange. Is clearly a great journalists he went he went in he went to places that other journalists were not going and he developed methods. To help we the people to find out the truth of what was going on in our names in other parts of the like as Richard Bergen was saying the collateral murder in baghdad well why do you think that Amnesty International has chosen to declare a songes new prisoner of conscience. I did not know that what an earth does not me i mean im im asking you because you know you have worked so you could probably explain to me them what the hell is a prisoner of conscience theyve come up amnesty have in the in the last few years come up with some very strange feels some very strange things that are not necessarily based on anything that you and i might consider to be the fact of the matter how entrenched of these elite forces then kissed starmer secure stormers one of the leading candidates to replace Jeremy Corbyn as leader of the opposition nearly oversaw as the head of the Prosecution Service here the edge persecution of julian. Is it all through our society of course lace but you know politicians politicians that tricky animals because theyve always got one eye on them on the meter theyre always looking to see where they stand how much power they have how popular they are or they are and what horrific arenas have to perform and the love of them says overkill for musicians to a very young aspiring musician later taylor swift as someone started talking like you presumably rick would do the Recording Companies would get quite alone at alienating audiences well that it is true in my in my industry absolutely. Theres not a great you dont hear Straight Talking coming out of im 76 years old and he did this for 55 years it was a vague you know not quite so. And also. I have survived to date with but now brith had counted wrote a letter to the major m. O. P. Saying that it was appalling that they were what is having tickets for my shows what they always claim is im a self of know a valid they said a woman of about long standing a valid anti semi who spreads a treat. Thats a could according to them and they do it because i support b. D. S. Because i support human rights lawyer because divestment and sanctions of a could have essman is or was the e. U. Does not support now explicitly did it is Something Different about this obviously Jeremy Corbin was heavily attacked for supporting palestine and Bernie Sanders whose relatives died in the holocaust some of been accusing Bernie Sanders of anti semitism trying to hang time the time to hang over in support of ellison his son is with the same code that they hung coping with by smearing smear tactics and this trait sure of judy in his suit this post of the now with the with the flag. This is why we feel a lot of the time well the d. N. C. Obviously has be village to be attacking Bernie Sanders over the primary season just as they did in 2016 where they prevented him from becoming the next president of the United States then could you see why people at the games are russian agent because they stem from wiki leaks the gain russian gave that you know russia has been the biggest waste of time literally wasting everybodys time for the last where did it come from i mean its so due to chris there were about an identifiable ball steering the 2016 and how in a minute what Foreign Countries interfering in american elections what about 100000000. 00 that adelson has just given to donald trump the game reelected theres a little money arguably also going to certain interests in latin america trying to overturn the the old pink tide if we have a little bit of those we know thats how the game works on going to was hosted by Prime Minister Boris Johnson in downing street he met with foreign secretary dominic rob what do you make of these pictures of him being feted here in london. It makes me want to throw up because guido is of right wing thug who was used by the United States government as the figurehead in there or sent to overthrow the jouni elected democratic. Government of the sovereign country of venezuela in contravention of every International Law and the un charter and Everything Else because why because they want to make money this isnt a hidden secret war leg during the ages this is the European Union and britain both recognizing what it was their shows how it was a city a state in the attack by neo liberal economics and the war mongering of the powerful elites how insidiously has wormed its way into places of power its a bit like in germany the blondish coming out and declaring. B. D. s a phony member now what they said but they had zim if they seriously have well i mean all leadership labor candidates well the greed that. How to i i mean every time theres no election when i was a kid our front room was a Committee Room for the local labor party whoa you know the local labor party from 55 on and before that for the come this party so my mom would be turning in no growth a lot of people have also been saying why do leftwing candidates like corbin like saunders talk about palestine why do they talk about venezuela these are irrelevant to me a real liberal destruction a manufacturing jobs why are they relevant because youre always getting paid on these particular issues that every day people concerned about their own lives might not think relevant to this trust me. 2 of my great heroes in life are ken loach and john pilger who sadly cant be areas in australia i go a note from him this morning but ive seen joan poaches 2 hour long documentary in its school the dirty war on the n. H. S. And its about the dismantling of the National Health service in this country so if you really want to get me started i could weep. Sitting here today knowing that the National Health service which is the jury in the crown of the possibility that we might be moving towards a more equitable world of to the world will see it being sold down the river by the Boris Johnson since i made. That shiz of this world. Just breaks my heart its design for it to be privatized and held it well be that more for roger waters up to this short break plus is the death of british t. V. Star Caroline Flack renewed scrutiny of Rupert Murdochs media empire we speak to a man at the heart of a u. K. Inquiry into Mainstream Media good nominated steve coogan about media manipulation and his new film greed satirizing the billionaires of the fashion industry old visible coming up a bug to have going underground. Called the 19 pandemic not only sees much of the world in lock down but it is also devastation economies tend to make has been painful recovering from it maybe even more painful isnt all the shes false. So its seemed wrong. Just dont hold. Any cue ball that needs to get to shape out these days become educated and engagement equals betrayal. When so many find themselves worlds apart when shes to look for common ground. Welcome back im still with roger waters the interconnectedness here that im really really addressing with you because julie the surge arguably we heard just now hes talking about guantanamo torture is dogging about the killing of journalists and civilians in iraq but then all this talk about pharmaceutical companies and all sorts of corruption wrongdoing is all around look around the world you see this as a hugely interconnected as it is hugely interconnected and thats thats one thing that has me up somewhat is that people are in the streets in some of the out of the in chile right and where where where it started with a tiny crease in subway faces something that theyve realized now that there is a movement in latin america and south america but also the in france and maybe one day there will even be an uprising in the United Kingdom to say you know enough so but it was the other uprisings as a border johnson well supposedly he wanted to huge majority in poland was coming to i will come to that but you know before i do in colombia now even though they even though the government there is very very extremely right wing and theres a dictatorship in the people who are on a general strike the whole country is rising up as well and bolivia theyre not theyre refusing to accept the coup again u. S. Financed coup that has just taken place getting rid of the jubilee democratic again britain recognizes the new leader of bolivia well 1st johnson would say anything. I mean and i find it very difficult you know to kape a straight face even but the mention of that buffoons name. Im sorry. Half but its no different than the United States where i live how do you get these people rise into these positions of extraordinary political power yeah arguably donald trump though came to power antiwar ticket i mean i i spoke to judaisms in the Ecuadorian Embassy about how Hillary Clinton could will of got us into a full scale war involving syria im sure she trump was an antiwar president yet and yet and yet the United States involvement in the wars abroad has actually increased in this spending more money on it than they were in any Previous Administration under trump i mean and lets not write off the possibility that trump may do something credibly insanely stupid at the behest of the neocons visibly iran is already has murdering that murdering customs eliminate again exactly well if you can get millions around the world to support during a songe like he is a latter day nelson mandela. Identity politics at least has been presumably theres been massive progress on it since you started out but even in their. Own like Josie Manning who is refusing to testify against really isnt its day 346 of her it because our ancient tongue credit was a brave woman people think Chelsea Manning is a traitor and that she deserves everything that she gets the hatred was so intense music has been such a great part of rebellion against elites over history obviously in south africa and so on presumably thats why you turned up outside the home office here to protest about the incarceration of julian assads hardly any people turned up i have have to say are you saying that again propaganda hardly any people turned up and not a single word was printed in any english or american newspaper of that event a powerful monarchy but obviously what journalists that all the Television Networks here would say no one told them dont cover roger waters singing wish you were here in ignorance of performance so its all what its in their heads oh. People arent stupid why do you think journalists arent coming out and in bed drove sit in their hundreds of thousands to defend judea you dont have to write peoples foreheads so they read it every morning when they go up to shave they go oh look of mustnt step out of line or i wont get that promotion i was because i wont be given that job over this one how about what happens when you fly a big pig above a demonstration of the mother of all parliaments what are you drawing to do will get attention. That for instance a pig that would go flying over here now. Has got a big picture of the American Flag over his face and it says free is in on the of the so it is describes the moment where its going to start from whats going to finish and the fact going to be on it and im going to open my big mouth in public so. The made the pick has become a way of attracting attention to because people recognize it so its familiar its a bit like we dont need no education is familiar to most people its in their minds so that in and if you want to get peoples attention then and and and. You have access to Iconic Images so well it is lyrics and news do you think the tide is not turning in julia surges favor even some Mainstream Media outlets may be reporting on this trial starting on monday and realizing that the very same out there that the reporting of the case may not be able to do journalism i think. Fingers crossed you know. One dreads to show any faith that just at this particular moment while hes languishing in belmarsh in a tiny cell a man has committed no crime and as we know the strings are being absolutely pulled for the United States its a tiny courtroom and its almost full of american advisors american lawyers sitting behind the english q. C. Whos prosecuting whos prosecuting the case so will you we will those of us who care about democracy and freedom and human rights and more importantly running mate and the magna carta and english jurisprudence and the law desperately want to believe that the law will prevail because this is not the law its a Kangaroo Court and to have a Kangaroo Court taking place in my home and distresses me beyond all belief is this what my father my grandfather died for no its not we need to be able to rely on the law and this is a sure or come on people lets lets. Take to the streets where i am or if you will just thank you well while Julian Assange just been mostly ignored by Mainstream Media one story that hasnt is the death of reality t. V. Host Caroline Flack question similar to those are asked after the death of Princess Diana and Amy Winehouse being asked all over again about all agog newspapers and ironically flacks last on screen performance is to be in a film starring steve coogan himself at the heart of an inquiry into president thinks the film greed examines the dark side of the fashion industry from the perspective of a billionaire businessman going underground caught up with the films director Michael Winterbottom and coogan on the red carpet and started by asking coogan about using comedy to shine a light on the billionaire class the more clever more sophisticated super rich try to keep a low profile and dont attract attention to themselves if it. Sucks someone who uses a inspiration if you like for this is someone who did did attract attention to yourself you deliberately used him self. To sort of as they go ahead public figure and this company. And that in a way helped shine a light on the sort of these. Super rich are you but thats what we were about were about people being supposed to do it people have money to do what they like but. Theres such a mash. Disparity between the super rich and the super poor. It comes about that people have to say what is acceptable you know. What you know and to talk about it because the one thing the super rich have is influence a young they can influence politicians they can influence you can buy influence by interest in newspapers what theyre able to do is to sell things that you could control the brain or janitor im not stopped their gender they want to they want to crime is one where no one no one talks about this stuff and what were trying to do so is make me a story that Michael Winterbottom. He did say at the end of it the ending of a storm. Of the haitian im salaries of the c. E. O. s. Pay the walks in bangladesh no i marked out yeah it was some sort of so do you think that this kind of represents and some walking interests of various off the most basic of the councils cost of this film its amazing how the federal i support filmmakers i support i support creativity what the problem with this industry is the constant tension between art and commerce and and when given a choice i will always side with overcoming. What you find is that the world is run by people who are box of life people who will always basically close ranks if that if that the cartel of have is that a threat just about the so i support my claim well weve seen over the past couple of years especially the Political Climate bill you know as the super rich are getting ever more scrutinized so do you think comedy like this do you think is not helping with that sort of i think scrutiny that. I think you know i well meaning documentary that appeals to you know often is. Preaching to the converted speech to the choir just say and. I think comedy is a really good way to you know using comedy as a way to show you the pill. Of difficult subjects is theres a good thing you said it best to do comedy i dont like documentaries Straight Talk mostly about inequality and the way in which because its grown over the last 40 years this felt like you know intent and steady way you have to have a character like which we create a space and create really start to be. That. Market and hopefully people by the end of the film feel that you know the world should be changed in some way and it has been reported of course so many that the end of the film you did one c. E. O. Salaries compared to the walkers but do you think that represents a kind of in some locking interests of you know the feeling as just by being in different industries. So you think when he talked of thats a system opposed to paying a ransom money is because i think that they dont want the films i saw by individuals i dont like one brand is bad one brand is good is what you get the system the Market Forces all the brands compete against other so they all look over the world for the cheapest possible place where they go to fight each other and can say i was here for then ill go to bangladesh to get i get cheaper they get me a multiyear cheaper so its like you know all the brands are doing all the brands use the same fashion so much as its about to get in with you guys its not say this part is a bad thing but if you think that the owners are is worth 60000000000. 00 but the women who make the closest pay 0. 50 an hour 0. 60 an hour whatever its to pay and what you wish to do in that gap is grotesque and what actions you want consumers to take off the stock i think they should be i think the place guys is bless them because if youre going to be tried so look at look for i think i think all suppliers and thats great but that takes me like 5 buying free range and is why they tend to be just expensive it is like leasing it makes some difference to the best way to the best way to change is i have got to say what we want we dont Want Companies to be allowed to buy theres no way we want to break a system or you know we dont want the market to be the only kind of principle holds all brands or kind of competing with other brands of one brand find a cheaper place we can pay we have pay for actually less but thats moving from 1. 00 country to another that then that all the brands chasing us plus the people its all get richer and richer and richer just put all the money into taxation and just finally with the Political Climate now changing and so much awareness growing through our access do you think you have hope now that system is going to change i do i think my unforeseen my adult life is coincide with the tone of the market 1st i serve as it was Margaret Thatcher and since then its been a sense like you know you can argue with the market i think that since the financial crisis really theres been a growing sense that something should change things should be fairer that is the rich we have which are rich it doesnt matter the inequality doesnt matter i think people are tired of that people do want to change steve coogan and Michael Winterbottom speaking to going underground for his arm of their. 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