Underground next turn off the international. Timeout should renounce your were going on the ground in our final show of this season coming up in the show time for the rich to have a cigar legend repeat floyd from. A coal miner. Who sacrificed his life for britain on the pitch villages that when tory old Etonian Boris johnson as britains Prime Minister plus the britain arguably north by u. K. State mandated here in the run up to the 21000 general election also illustrates one illustrating living on the breadline bus for food banks and love sickness we speak to Downton Abbey actor and maybe director john tell him about his new film all the american loves. Story in wales full of them all coming up in the final going on the run of this season but 1st in the wake of u. K. Prime minister mark johnson annihilating the socialist project of Jeremy Corbyn we caught up with pink floyd front man what you waters via skype at his home in new york i started by asking him about the end of the road for labor leader Jeremy Corbett obviously that was always going to come and its clearly a very wise decision the powers that may be sorry have achieved such an incredibly efficient hatchet job on the poor man over the last few years in but particularly over the last year the chances of him have a doing anything really extremely slim because he has been smeared beyond all belief that its becoming more and more apparent that propaganda is almost the most important thing in our lives and the fact that the Mainstream Media is owned by very rich and powerful people and in consequence they may be that they coming closer and closer to controlling everything not just only elections but everything and obviously the elections they cant control they send in the troops you know and stop killing people whats whats interesting to me is that who we are what 500 years since columbus and just now this is the only thing that makes me. That gives me the strength to carry on in this fight and as this 500 years later it seems that we the people are just beginning to rise up now against the settler colonial attitude supply last 500 years and that gives me heart of course are now in the streets of new paths being shot or in santiago in chile being blind dado by the pinkerton man we are many does all we need to do is to organize and to rise and to say no. Were not going to let you kill us anymore were not going to lie down quietly and were not going to let you come in and rape and pillage our lands and steal precious things that might be underground or some to distract. Of near liberal disdain its over and you see its happening in the lebanon its happening in ecuador its happening in bolivia roasted now its happening in chile its beginning to happen in australia as it is as you say that have been protests around the world i should add obviously the European Union and the British Government the British Government certainly recognizes the whats being called a military coup against civil war others in but libya but here in this country there was no youth quake turnout was down some people saying young people didnt come out and vote for corbins Green New Deal for whatever the Extinction Rebellion protest of the dream do raise consciousness in the city how would young people know what their predicament is you know if its given the state of major and way they get their information from its almost impossible for them to to actually understand whats going on im not blaming them but thats why its a real responsibility in mine and shooting innocent is anybody who works in chair and it does move them me you know tries to. Redress the balance of misinformation our children are being given and thats why we have to go to ourselves now and remember that information is the elephant in the room but we have to also be looking over our shoulders because these men. Will be trying to shut down and and julian a son is a big is the point of that no. Stick at shutting people are you mention assad was there the day after the general election his lawyers were saying that. The british Justice System is still denying him access certainly theyre not aiding his access to legal papers regarding extradition to the usa for revealing war crimes corbin of course famously said that a son should not be extradited to the usa the former boss of m i 6 John Scarlett said corbin is more dangerous more dangerous than kim philby why do you think the National Security state said he was so dangerous because under the puppets theyll say were but theyre paid to say that theyre not theyre not real people Jeremy Corbyn can read and has a brain and its he has cognitive substance he can look at the law and go the law says you cant textured julian a son church. And storing thats it thats the law the head of m i 6 goes not really interested in the law what the hells the law got to do with them but when the shadow chancellor drama galiot talked about media bias in the election andrew neil of the b. B. C. We laughed at him. Andrew neil. Entered that andrew neil. One we all love up our sleeve well one well the b. B. C. Of course denies all bias. Yeah of course of course it does im sure there are even russian t. V. Stations or chinese t. V. Stations there is but im sure there are t. V. Stations all over the world but im believably biased in many different ways from many many Different Reasons but they are and we know they are and we can all accept it when its pointed at somebody else im have to just say i get lost my news from ati i get it from you and aljazeera but this is the 1st election that weve had the person trying to be Prime Minister who is a validly in support of un resolutions that condemn israel for breaking International Law do you think that was a an aspect to corbins defeat huge and i think he played it very badly i think he should have told them to f. Off. Because he he stands on the right side of the question hes clearly not an anti semite i mean i know a lot about this because im also clearly not an anti semite and yet they smear me with that accusation constantly it is a bit like standing in front of a bulldozer. And they will they will run you down if they can and i do think he made a mistake not by not just saying. This is ridiculous and for the labor party to accept their ridiculous what is a Holocaust Memorial interpretation of antisemitism to include criticism of israel was insane talk about shooting yourself in the foot thats like the approach of going we dont care him whats real we dont care about right and wrong we dont care about the law we dont care about the un we dont care about war crimes we dont care about any of that stuff we will roll over and adopt this red to kill us definition of anti semitism but that labor party why havent they britain under Boris Johnson gets close at the door all trouble happen to the reputation of the United Kingdom how much closer can you get johnson son of johnsons a complete buffoon have you ever listened to the man speak i mean his thats whats really depressing oh hang on lets have a look into class 48 in college whos the dumbest. Here who do well in the working class of the mining efficiencies here in britain in the working class of the midwest in the United States a little 2 or 3 of them to the altar up. That sets exactly right they do i could sit here and this could be going out everywhere until im blue in the face explaining the human rights and the law and International Law and what happens to my brothers and sisters all over the world and children matches and murders and the fundamental tenets those of the Building Blocks upon which we could build a just and fair and surviving planet in the future when they take cain it is probably not that suffered so many years of being joe its the blacks its the puppys danis its the foreigners its the migrants its the russians its the chinese its the welsh i come from mining stock im from County Durham on anybody whos not jeff bezos or. Lives in penury well not everybody there are thriving middle classes. Everywhere you see ben they go from they never ever have more than 20 bucks in their pocket ever that whole lives in a Nation Special report corroborates that accounting criticize the conservatives for for austerity but last time you were on you compared to society to all the socks these brave new world if johnson opens up big pharma to the n. H. S. Do you think well get real so much air in britain that opioids you who are a good at name. You know its already wrought by trend but theyd they were just legitimized it because as we know opioids and anything else strive and if they thrive under the under the umbrella of the fact that there are profits to be made out of selling the show so that so actually having a downtrodden. Rich rate working class and got nothing to do with is the perfect environment. For sell it selling them some if the sat close are allowed to take over banana h. S. Theyll do exactly the same thing that they did in the United States where and they are now being sued for billions of dollars that case goes on at the moment the sack was of course deny all wrongdoing but away from all the pessimism then finally the alcan culture cheer us up to those certainly who feel defeated now in the Labor Movement here in this Country Music art and culture be some kind of elevation. Well heres the good news ok and this is good news is that when something good happens it is not reported so we dont get to revel in it we dont get to bathe in the glory of our brothers and sisters humanity and b. B. C. I. G. P. They they couldnt be less interested in hearing this message we are all filled with love for our brothers and sisters and it will come out and part of that love is going to be our support for our and degenerates brothers and sisters all over the world who are beginning to say no 500 years its slavery is enough because raja the right wing labor that supported 30 blairs wars are demanding gerry corwin leaves and for john to the course he gets everybody supported war on syria so we expect more u. K. Wars not ours johnson has this huge majority in parliament here of course weve got another blair theyre both entirely attached to be a Great American empire they believe in the uni polar model. Of one amp controlling the whole world he will go he will follow the american empire anywhere roger waters thank you. Youre very welcome thank you every Christmas Roger waters speaking to be there from new york after the break christmas starvation in one of the richest countries in the world the author illustrated on food banks being the price of bailing out the system and Downton Abbey strong gulen speaks about his new film pink wall about the choices we make in the maid of love. 2 of going on the ground. So what weve got to do is identify the threats that we have its crazy. Let it be an arms race. Spilling Dramatic Development only personally. I dont see how that strategy will be successful very critical time to sit down and talk. What politicians do. Put themselves on the line to get accepted or rejected. So when you want to be president and you. Want to. Have to go right to the pros this is what before 3 of the more people. Interested always in the water out. There should. Welcome back the number of donations in registered support for food banks in the u. K. Is reportedly seem a sharp increase since morris Johnsons Conservative Party won an 80 seat majority in last weeks general election according to charities like the Trussell Trust and the biscuit from joining me now is kate milne whose new book is called its a no money day kate thanks so much for coming on even before i get to the book i got to ask you. Boris johnson despite u. N. Condemnation despite the 4000000 children living in poverty in britain said if ordered 1000 fewer children are in poverty since 2010 of the election trying to get votes whats the relevance of a book like this just before christmas i think Boris Johnson is not always known to tell the truth he has expressed the the idea that breaks it will be a good thing for families which i think is clearly not the case so i prefer to believe the Trussell Trust and the report that frank field and alan made and the u. N. That showed there are more and more children in poverty in this country ok so its all its a no money day obviously the conservative government will now continue to pursue universal credit which the labor party had opposed and wanted to abolish i suppose in a way that does the title come from there. Yes one of the things we the publisher and i wanted to be very clear about in the book is that the mother is working shes not somebody thats applying for universal credit because shes got a job but that job doesnt cover everything she needs to provide for self and her child my own mother with lies on carers to help her and so my idea that was for this parent was that she was one of those carers because they do a difficult job and they were long long hours but yes it was i think we thought it was important because 70 percent of the people who use 1st banks are in work its not just the unemployed to rely on them to eat and of course within 24 hours 48 hours of the election result tory minister was saying that or a former tory minister was saying people should think you have private health insurance. The pictures in this book youre illustrations show a society that seems so far removed entire i entirely i i i feel despair at what is going to happen to the poor working families in this country over the next 5 i would guess 10 years after this election i think it can only get worse and its not really its not very good at the moment because johnson says he will help the poorest over the next 5 years and presumably this book is not just for people who are in these situations it is an education book to. See this on the t. V. Much no no and i wanted very much not just for children whose families do live in poverty and have to rely on food banks it was not just about them seeing themselves in a book it was also about those all the children in the class i think in the average classroom theres about 9 who are living in poverty so it would be good if the rest of the class understood something of what that was about just defining terms what does poverty mean these days why why do you use a food bank and so it was very much about that just just helping just giving information. To children. But also perhaps to understand why its helpful to donate to food banks why you know why that bin is there in the supermarkets and why we need to be generous because yes i think its certain that the what is provided for ordinary people in terms of education and health care and universal credit will get worse what was it like illustrating this book i mean people you know charlie from charlie and the Chocolate Factory comes from a poor background. And their childrens books historically have shown heroes from poorer areas seems to be another dimension of poverty well yes i think if you go through the book that the child herself is fairly positive as young kids usually are she she doesnt mind going to the food bank because there are ladies there will give a biscuits and squash and a give the things to draw with and she quite likes that shes quite chatty and unsociable her mum doesnt enjoy it nearly as much obviously but the real kind of i think the real sadness in the book is there to be seen if youre a little bit older and youre and youve got some empathy with the characters but if you could read it to a 5 year old and just say and just see the childs experience which is not that awful because she because some mama shielding her from the worst of it. But there is a spread in the book where. The mother says that no sorry the child says oh ill have a piece of toast but mom doesnt want to have breakfast shes not hungry and thats the sort of you know the child is just repeating what the mother is told and presumably believes it but almost everybody including children ive shown it to quite Young Children say think the mother really is hungry and i go yeah shes hungry so its putting into the pictures things to interpret about what their life is like which is not necessarily what the young child is saying about her life because jacob risk more good until recently the where hes been the leader thats a quality said food banks are actually uplifting and show what a compassionate country we are well there are lots of people in this country who are compassionate i dont deny that. We would just outside by the food back unused in and there was lots of food being unloaded and lots of volunteers there so absolutely but our general culture our general view of what a society is is not compassionate i dont think its about supporting the rich and the privileged but it does nothing for poor people and there is a personal element to this you knew it was like the single berges of yes i mean i cant claim to experience the worst of it because it didnt last very long in my case but i did end up. Having to rely on my own part time salary with 2 daughters and i do remember that feeling of i could pay for the food or i could pay for the heating but i cant do both this month and you know i was lucky i had resources around when it didnt last long but i do know that feeling of. Kind of worry. And desperation a bit when you dont know how you can see job kids and theres talk of maybe translations of course austerity is it all of western europe but doing it will get worse i mean they already Trussell Trust saying record 1600000 food parcels handed out 801860853 day emergency packs went to children last christmas going its going to be a sequel next year which will be even worse i hope not but i do i do think that where we are politically its very likely that that the situation of ordinary people on on lower incomes is going to get more difficult breck sic is bound to. Make things worse in the short term with ink even if you think in the long term it may have benefits but i think you know companies are going to start to leave and. The things about the you which have protected workers rights for some time in this country we will lose those obviously which will mean that its going to get worse or people get miller thank you. Well renowned british filmmaker ken loachs longchamp in the stories of the poorest in society from hunger to homelessness and hes an inspiration for my next guest Downton Abbey actor and debut director tom cullen whose new film pink wall has just been released i caught up with him earlier in the studio and started by asking him about the film so the film is about its a relationship drama and it follows the 6 years of my 2 recounts is generally on and its essentially i look at my successes and failures. As a partner as i kind of move into my thirtys and the scene can the film consists of 6 scenes and hed seen as a year from. The relationship of this of this couple and its told in a nonlinear structure its kind of designed like memory of oh god look theres. I dont want to and i dont want to alarm you but i saw your daddy ok now i shouldnt get too excited. Theres no better from. Here wait where you going some people are bound to say especially if it has i mean you do you think you were influenced by ken loachs it relates ational lady is when filming it kind of alluded to the drug he was a huge influence on me as was john cassavetes. And it is a kind of semi improvised approach i developed a process kind of using inspiration from from people at conneaut where i had a script which is a very detailed outline structure of what the film is you know what the scene is and has its arcs the themes that i want to talk about and then i would filter those themes through the experiences of my actors. And we would talk about the those those themes and the arc and whether there is anything that resonates with them is very. And if you were severely and then we would start to improvise and i would then direct them in their in their improvise ations and i would get the shape and structure of the scene that i wanted what id then do is id create these very fixed bullet points which would be a thought or not action or a line that they have to navigate their way through so its a bit like a downhill slalom the the ski has to go through every pole to have a wider narrow they go through them its up to them but they have to get through it as fast as possible. On this program we cover austerity and this is set in in england you know we cover these 130000 people dead because of universal credit and so what this relationship breakdown you joy but money where do they get the money from the money does the the entrant no i mean i century that theyre middle class. And it wasnt a film that really goes into. Class very much is very much a look at the dynamics of a relationship. They both relatively successful working in the fashion industry. We see her start at university and then she ends up becoming a fashion producer and he is a photographers assistant and just this is the metropolitan elite the Boris Johnson and. The dollar trump they talk about i have i mean im not sure if there should we even care about i mean when you watch it the film obviously one sympathises usually with the characters is propaganda for the middle class making us care about the people that huge swathes of this country she is the enemy well i do think theyre the enemy i think theyre kind of the artistic class those are the kind of people. Would be out in the on the street protesting. The Extinction Rebellion or you know damning with faint praise. You know i mean obviously youre an actor as well but as your 1st directorial as your directorial debut do you think hollywood would mediately love the film because its about Sexual Identity about gender identity more than plus its interesting because you know i wrote this film over 2 years ago. And we shot to exactly 2 years ago. And that was before the me too movement and it wasnt really a conscious thing for me really i wanted to explore the gender politics of my own relationship at the time you know and. The pressures on women to have children i was really interested in that but also the pressures on men. Who were trapped in a patriarchal system to to achieve in the press this kind of and to be ambitious and its a kind of conflict with inside me really because i really want to be a dad want a kid from inception who you can. Raise in your own image and who will just do or you think youll find a pretty good and you called me on as well if you like that we are now i must also was going about another film and he was starring in called cost or in the ground we train cover opioid the opioid graces which is often quite difficult to govern without legal problems from the Big Pharmaceutical Companies tell me a bit about it yes so its set in 2012 and it is kind of look at the the birth of the crisis when fentanyl was flooded on to the streets its a kind of very specific look at 11 kid and about how how one can descend into use and addiction. How there is very little support for those people and how theyre viewed by society and how the exit routes. Difficult director tom collins speaking to me there earlier in pink wall is a new case in a business thats in the show and this season will be back after christmas 2020 on january 8th until then will be ball busting your favorite shows but this season dont forget to continue the conversation on social media and like why you tube channel americas best and im happy to get paid all of us from the whole team to make going up and down. Join me every thursday on the alec simon show and ill be speaking to guest of the world of politics sports business im show business ill see you then. I have a spiritual experience. And i have a little girl that died in the fire cynthia collins