Or in santiago in chile being blinded oh by the pinkerton man we are many does all we need to do is to organize and to rise and just say no. Were not going to let you kill us anymore were not going to lie down quietly and were not going to let you come in and rape and pillage our lands and steal precious things that might be underground or some to distract. Of near liberal disdain its over and you see its happening in the lebanon its happening in ecuador its happening in bolivia up astute now its happening in chile its beginning to happen in australia as it is as you say that have been protests around the world i should add obviously the European Union and the British Government the British Government certainly recognizes the whats being called a military coup against evil or others and but libya but here in this country there was no youth quake turnout was down some people saying young people didnt come out and vote for corbins Green New Deal for whatever the Extinction Rebellion protest of the dream do raise consciousness in the city how would young people know what their predicament is you know if its given the state of major and way they get their information from its almost impossible for them to to actually understand whats going on im not blaming them but thats why its a real responsibility in mine and shooting innocent is anybody who works in chair and it does move them me you old tries to. Redress the balance of misinformation that our children are being given and thats why we have to go to ourselves now and remember that information is the elephant in the room but we have to also be looking over our shoulders because these men. Will be trying to shut down and and julian a son is a big is the point of that no. Stick at shutting people are you mention assad was there the day after the general election his lawyers were saying that. The british Justice System is still denying him access certainly theyre not aiding his access to legal papers regarding extradition to the usa for revealing war crimes corbin of course famously said that a son should not be extradited to the usa the volvo boss of m i 6 John Scarlett said corbin is more dangerous more dangerous than kim philby why do you think the National Security state said he was so dangerous because under the sun their puppets though say were but theyre paid to say that theyre not theyre not real people Jeremy Corbyn can read and has a brain and its he has cognitive substance he can look at the law and go the law says you cant textured julian a son church. And storing thats it thats the law the head of m i 6 goes not really interested in the law what the hells the law got to do with them but when the shadow chancellor drama galiot talked about media bias in the election andrew neil of the b. B. C. Laughed at him. Andrew me ill. Angered that andrew neil. When we all laughed up our sleeve at all of one well the b. B. C. Of course denies all bias. Yes of course of course it does im sure there are even russian t. V. Stations or chinese t. V. Station there is but im sure there are t. V. Stations all over the world but im believably biased in many different ways for many many Different Reasons but they are and we know they are and we can all accept it when its pointed at somebody else im going to just say i get a lot my news from r. T. I get it from you and aljazeera but this is the 1st election that weve had a person trying to be Prime Minister who is a valid lee in support of un resolutions that condemn israel for breaking International Law do you think that was a an aspect to corbins defeat huge and i think he played it very badly i think he should have told them to f. Off. Because he he stands on the right side of the question hes clearly not an anti semite i mean i know a lot about this because im also clearly not an anti semite and yet they smear me with that accusation constantly it is a bit like standing in front of a bulldozer. And they will they will run you down if they can and i do think he made a mistake not by not just saying. This is ridiculous and for the labor party took set their ridiculous what is a Holocaust Memorial interpretation of antisemitism to include criticism of israel was against sane talk about shooting yourself in the foot thats like the approach of getting we dont carry more its real we dont care about right and wrong we dont care about the law we dont care about the un we dont care about war crimes we dont care about any of that stuff we will roll over and adopt this red to kill us definition of anti semitism but that labor party why havent they britain under Boris Johnson gets close at the doll trumbo level to the reputation of the United Kingdom a much closer can you get johnson son of johnsons a complete buffoon have you ever listened to the man speak i mean his thats whats really depressing oh hang on lets have a look into class 48 in college whos the dumbest. Here who do well in the working class of the mining efficiencies here in britain in the working class of the midwest in the United States a little 2 or 3 of them to the altar up. Yeah that sets exactly right they do i could sit here and this could be going out everywhere until im blue in the face explaining the human rights and the law and International Law and what happens to my brothers and sisters all over the world and children matches and murders at the fundamental tenets those of the Building Blocks upon which we could build a just and fair and surviving planet in the future when they take cain it is probably not theyve suffered so many years of being told its the blacks its the puppys danis its the foreigners its the migrants its the russians its the chinese its the welsh i come from mining stock im from County Durham on anybody whos not jeff bezos or. Lives in penury well not everybody there are thriving middle class is. Everywhere you see ben they go from there never ever have more than 20 bucks in their pocket and for that whole lives in a nation thresher up which corroborates that account and criticize the conservatives for for austerity but last time you were on you compared to society to all the socks these brave new world if johnson opens up big pharma to the n. H. S. Do you think well get real so much air in the britain that opioids you who are a good at name. You know its already wrought by trend but theyd they were just legitimizing it because as we know opioids than anything else strive and if they thrive under the under the umbrella of the fact that there are profits to be made out of selling the show so the show actually having a downtrodden. Richer a cheat working class and got nothing to do with is the perfect environment. For sell it selling them some if the sack clothes are allowed to take over banana h. S. Theyll do exactly the same thing that they did in the United States where and they are now being sued for billions of dollars in that case goes on at the moment exactly as of course deny all wrongdoing but a way for all the pessimism then finally the outcome culture cheer us up to those certainly who feel defeated now in the Labor Movement here in this Country Music art and culture be some kind of salvation. Well heres the good news ok and this is good news is that when something good happens it is not reported so we dont get to revel in it we dont get to bathe in the glory of our brothers and sisters humanity in b. B. C. I. G. P. They they couldnt be less interested in hearing this message we are all filled with love for our brothers and sisters and it will come out and part of that love is going to be our support for our and degenerates brothers and sisters all over the world who are beginning to say no 500 years its slavery is enough of course raja the right wing labor that supported 30 blairs wars of their minding Jeremy Corbin leaves and for john to the course that gets everybody support it war on syria so expect more u. K. Wars now Boris Johnson has this huge majority in parliament there of course weve got another blair theyre both entirely attached to be a Great American empire they believe in the uni polar model. Of one amp controlling the whole world he will go he will follow the american empire anywhere roger waters thank you. Youre very welcome thank you every Christmas Roger waters speak to be there from new york after the break christmas starvation in one of the richest countries in the world with author and illustrator kate no not on food banks being the price of bailing out the system of london and Downton Abbey strong gulen speaks about his new film pink wall about the choices we make in the name of love both simple coming up about 2. 00 of going on the ground. And were going to fulfill the repeated promises possible to the people. You know weve all but it was. Pretty. Pretty clear. That you want to. Know. Welcome back the number of donations and registered support for food banks in the u. K. Has reportedly seen a sharp increase since Boris Johnsons conservative party won an 80 seat majority in last weeks general election according to charities like the Trussell Trust and the biscuit from joining me now is kate milner whose new book is called its a no money day kate thanks so much for coming on even before i get to the book i got to ask you Boris Johnson despite u. N. Condemnation despite the 4000000 children living in poverty in britain said 400000 fewer children were in poverty since 2010 the election trying to get votes whats the relevance of a book like this just before christmas i think Boris Johnson is not. To tell the truth he has expressed the the idea that breaks it will be a good thing for families which i think is clearly not the case so i prefer to believe the Trussell Trust and the report that frank field and allen made and the u. N. That chilled there are more and more children in poverty in this country ok so its all its a no money day obviously the conservative government will now continue to pursue universal credit which the labor party had opposed and wanted to abolish i suppose in a way that does the title come from there. Yes one of the things we the public and i wanted to be very clear about in the book is that the mother is working shes not somebody thats applying for universal credit because shes got a job but that job doesnt cover everything she needs to provide for self and her child my own mother with lies on carers to help her and so my idea that was for this parent was that she was one of those carers because they do a difficult job and they were long long hours but yes it was i think we thought it was important because 70 percent of the people who use for banks are in work its not just the unemployed to rely on them to eat and of course within 24 hours 48 hours of the election result tory minister was saying that or a former tory minister was saying people should think you have private health insurance. The pictures in this book your illustrations show a society that seems so far removed entire i entirely i i i feel despair at what is going to happen to the poor working families in this country over the next 5 i would guess 10 years after this election i think it can only get worse and its not really its not very good at the moment because johnson says he will help the poorest over the next 5 years and presumably this book is not just for people who are in these situations it is an education book to. See this on the t. V. Much no no and i want to very much not just for children whose families do live in poverty and have to rely on food banks it was not just about them seeing themselves in a book it was also about those all the children in the class i think in the average classroom theres about 9 who are living in poverty so it would be good if the rest of the class understood something of what that was about just defining terms what does poverty mean these days why why do you use a food bank and so it was very much about that just just helping just giving information. To children. But also perhaps to understand why its helpful to donate to food banks why you know why that bin is there in the supermarkets and why we need to be generous because yes i think its certain that the what is provided for ordinary people in terms of education and health care and universal credit will get worse what was it like illustrating this book i mean people you know charlie from charlie and the Chocolate Factory comes from a poor background. And their childrens books historically have shown heroes from poorer areas this seems to be another dimension of poverty. Well yes i think if you go through the book the child herself is fairly positive as young kids usually are she she doesnt mind going to the food bank because there are ladies there will give a biscuits and squash and a given things to draw with and she quite likes that shes quite chatty and sociable her mum doesnt enjoy it nearly as much obviously but the real kind of i think the real sadness in the book is there to be seen if youre a little bit older and youre and youve got some empathy with the characters but if you could read it to a 5 year old and just say and just see the childs experience which is not that awful because she because some mama shielding her from the worst of it but there is a spread in the book where. The mother says that no sorry the child says oh ill have a piece of toast but mom doesnt want to breakfast shes not hungry and thats a sort of you know the child is just repeating what the mother is told and presumably believes it but almost everybody including children ive shown it to quite Young Children say think the mother really is hungry yeah shes hungry so its putting into the pictures things to interpret about what their life is like which is not necessarily what the young child is saying about her life because jacob risk will go until recently the where hes been the leader thats a college he said food banks are actually uplifting and show what a compassionate country we are. Well there are lots of people in this country who are compassionate i dont deny that. We were just outside by the food back in used in and there was lots of food being unloaded and lots of volunteers there so absolutely but our general culture our general view of what a society is is not compassionate i dont think its about supporting the rich and the privileged but it does nothing for poor people and there is a personal element to this you knew he was like the single burgess of yes i mean i cant claim to experience the worst of it because it didnt last very long in my case but i did end up. Having to rely on my own part time salary with 2 daughters and i do remember that feeling of i could pay for the food or i could pay for the heating but i cant do both this month and you know i was lucky i had resources around when it didnt last long but i do know that feeling of. Kind of worry the anxiety and and desperation a bit when you dont know how you going to teach your kids and theres talk of maybe translations of course austerity is it all of western europe but do you think itll get worse i mean it already Trussell Trust saying a record 1600000 food parcels handed out 801860853 day emergency packs went to children last christmas going its going to be a sequel next year which will be even worse i hope not but i do i do think that where we are politically its very likely that that the situation of ordinary people on on lower incomes is going to get more difficult breck sic is bound to. Make things worse in the short term with ink even if you think in the long term it may have benefits but i think you know companies are going to start to leave and. The things about the you which have protected workers rights for some time in this country we will lose those obviously which will mean that its going to get worse the people gave miller thank you. Well were now on british filmmaker ken loachs long champion the stories of the poorest in society from hunger to homelessness and hes an inspiration for my next guest Downton Abbey actor and debut director tom cullen whose new film pink wall has just been released i caught up with him earlier in the studio and started by asking him about the film so the film is about its a relationship drama and it follows the 6 years of my 2 deterrence is generally on and its essentially i look at my successes and failures. As a partner as i kind of move into my thirtys and the scene can the film consists of 6 scenes i need seen as a year from. The relationship of this of this couple and its told in a nonlinear structure its kind of designed like memory oh god look theres. I dont want to and i dont want to alarm you but i saw your journey ok now i shouldnt get too excited. Theres no better from. Here wait where you going some people are bound to say especially if it has i mean you do you think you were influenced by kid luge as it relates ational lady is when filming it kind of alluded to the drug he was a huge influence on me as was john cassavetes. And it is a kind of semi improvised approach i developed a process kind of using inspiration from from people like conneaut where i had a script which is a very detailed outline structure of what the film is you know what the scene is and has its arcs the themes that i want to talk about and then i would filter those themes through the experiences of my actors. And we would talk about the those those themes and the arc and whether there is anything that resonates with them is very. If you have really and then we would start to improvise and i would then direct them in there in their improvise ations and i would get the shape and structure of the scene that i wanted what id then do is id create these very fixed bullet points which would be a thought or not action or a line that they have to navigate their way through so its a bit like a downhill slalom the the ski has to go through every pole have a wider narrow they go through them its up to them but they have to get through it as fast as possible. On this program we cover austerity and this is set in in england you know we cover these 130000 people dead because of universal credit and sort this relationship breakdown you judge money where do they get the money from the money doesnt seem to enter it no i mean i century that theyre middle class. And it wasnt a film that really goes into. Class very much is very much a look its the dynamics of a relationship. They both are relatively successful working in the fashion industry. We see her start at university and then she ends up becoming a fashion producer and he is a photographers assistant and this is the metropole believed to Boris Johnson and. His adult trump they talk about i have i mean im not sure if there should we even care about i mean when you watch it the film obviously one sympathises usually with the characters is propaganda for the middle class making has care about the people that huge swathes of this country she is the enemy well i do think theyre the enemy i think theyre kind of the artistic class those are the kind of people who. Would be out in the on the street protesting. The Extinction Rebellion or you know damning with faint praise. I mean you know i mean obviously youre an actor as well but as your 1st directorial as your directorial debut do you think hollywood would mediately love the film because its about Sexual Identity about gender identity more than plus its interesting because you know i wrote this film over 2 years ago. And we shot a exactly 2 years ago. And that was before the me too movement and it wasnt really a conscious thing for me really i wanted to explore the gender politics of my own relationship at the time you know and. The pressures on women to have children i was really interested in that but also the pressures on men. Who are trapped in a patriarchal system to to achieve in the press this kind of and to be ambitious and its a kind of conflict with inside me really because i really want to be a dad can want a kid from inception who you can if raising your own image and who will just do it thats a pretty good and you called me on as well you be like that. Now i must also ask you about another film i know youre starring in called cost or in the ground we try and cover opioid the opioid graces with its often quite difficult to govern without legal problems for the Big Pharmaceutical Companies to leave it out of us so its set in 2012 and it is kind of look at the the birth of the crisis when fan to know was flooded on to the streets its a kind of very specific look at 11 kid and about how how one can descend into use and addiction and how there is very little support for those people and how theyre viewed by society and how the exit routes. Difficult director john collins speaking to me there earlier in pink wall is a new case in is now and thats a good show and this season will be back after christmas 2020 on january 8th still there will be ball busting to your favorite shows but this season dont forget to get into the conversation on social media just like why you channel americas best and i have you get paid all of us from the whole team to make going on the ground. In the troubled 19 seventies a group of killers rampage through parts of Northern Ireland that was coordinated loyalist attacks protect the only population in belfast tens of thousands were forced to flee their homes and what was striking about these attacks was that the are you see the Police Actually took part in the attacks so instead of preventing it they were active participants in the burning of coal streets in belfast at the time more than a 100 innocent civilians were murdered as the review can seniors and we found out more i was surprised about the extent and of the currents which the collusion was involved in some of those cases that killers would later be named the dillon and the gang i think it went to the very very top i think it is frosts the water where all the taste since you thought was going on and give the go ahead. Join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and ill be speaking to guest of the world of politics sports business im show business ill see event. 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