It is just coming in right now. The federal reserve announced half a point. That was not the most expected. 48 days to the election, great news for the economy. Critics said it could not happen, but our policies a little policies are lowering costs and creating jobs. As a republican nominee plans to raise your grocery prices. How can a family of four that, like cheerios? i haven't seen cheerios in a long time. And nancy pelosi on the state of the race and the maga threats in the house. And growing calls for center in the senate as a hate crime hearing flies off the rails. You do not support hamas. I oppose you should hide your head in a bag. When all in starts right now. Good evening from new york. I am chris hayes. We are so back. This afternoon federal reserve chair jerome powell took the stage to announce the feds first cut in interest rates since 2020 and the beginning of the pandemic recession and it was a big one. A half percent interest rate reduction to stimulate borrowing and to boost the job market. An acknowledgment that inflation has been tamed without a recession or high unemployment. In other words the landing has been soft and america has beaten back the nearly unprecedented economic challenges of the global pandemic and the ensuing disruption to the economy. It is huge news. It is also proof the biden economic recovery has been truly nothing short of miraculous, especially given the mass he inherited from donald trump and that he outperformed every other country on earth. Trump, like so many republicans before him, enjoyed a pulling advantage with voters. That may be changing. Multiple national and swing state polls in recent weeks suggesting vice president kamala harris is closing the gap and possibly leading trump. Harris has probably been helped by trump's inability to even feign caring about the expenses of regular americans, like childcare. As he proved earlier this month with that rambling answer to a direct question at the economic club in new york. It was word salad, but with one really under noticed but toxic ingredient that deserves much more ingredient more attention. If you win in november can you commit to prioritizing legislation to make childcare affordable and if so, what specific piece of legislation will you advance? child care, child care. You know, something, you have to have it. In this country you have to have it, but when you talk about those numbers compared to the kind of numbers i'm talking about by taxing foreign nations at levels they are not used to, but they will get used to it very quickly and it is not going to stop them from doing business with us, but they will have a very substantial tax when they send product into our country. We will be taking in trillions of dollars and as much as childcare is talked about as being expensive, it is, relatively speaking, not very expensive compared to the numbers we will be taking in. Trump very obviously has no idea what he is talking about. Clearly has no plan for childcare. Childcare is childcare. But there is something in that answer that truly is a plan and it is something he has both serious about and obsessed with. Okay, listen to this. Donald trump's central economic policy platform in this campaign is to raise taxes by trillions and trillions of dollars. He just said it. Taxes that will be paid primarily by you, working people in the form of a sales tax on imported goods. That is his magic bullet, his obsession. An enormous, trillion dollar sales tax on imported goods, except that is not what he calls it. He calls it a tariff and donald trump loves tariffs. It was a point he made repeatedly last night, including when he was asked again about bringing costs down for everyday americans. How are you going to bring down the cost of food and groceries? our farmers are being decimated. They are being absolutely, absolutely decimated. And you know, one of the reasons is we allow a lot of foreign product into our country. We will have to be a little bit like other countries. We are going to let our farmers go to work. Tariffs are the greatest thing ever invented. I will say it is sort of disturbing a guy who is already president who has a degree from wharton business school doesn't actually seem to understand the first thing about how tariffs work. What he is trying to do is sell them at as this free lunch. To him it is the perfect ponzi scheme. You just make the other countries pay more to sell stuff in america. Problem solved. That is not how it works. When a car gets imported from overseas and a tariff gets paid on it, that added cost gets passed on to you, the consumer. The honda kit sedan might've caused $25,000 before the tariff and now it will cost $28,000. You will pay it and you could make an argument on why that might be good policy for other reasons, helping domestic car production. What you cannot do absolutely is argue with a straight face that the tariff makes cars cheaper. No, it does the opposite. You pay more for the car because you pay the tax. Trump says tariffs will generate trillions of dollars and maybe they will. That is trillions of dollars more you will pay for imported goods, so producers can pay the government. A tariff is a tax on you. That is not just me saying that, that is the very conservative economists at the pro trump heritage foundation in a 2019 paper criticizing them president trump's tariffs, titled do no harm, tariffs and quotas hurt the homeland. Many people believe that when tariffs are imposed on a country, that country bears the costs. However, that is not the case. When a government collects revenues from tariffs, it is collecting it from its own citizens. Not from the citizens of the country upon whose goods tariffs were imposed. Thank you, heritage. Yes, as insane as it sounds, trump has already imposed tariffs as president and they raised cost for americans, a point made earlier this year by david stockman, a republican x congressman who ran the office of management and budget under ronald reagan and was known as the father of reaganomics. He said trump's tariffs helped drive the inflation that hurt everyone over the past half decade. He basically decided i am going to levy a huge tariff on imports coming in from china. It averages, you know, about 20% on $360 billion of imports. That is $75 billion or so per year of taxes on consumers. To be clear those tariffs don't just cost consumers, they can also hurt producers. Remember when trump was president he sold tariffs on crops as a way to help farmers. We will protect farmers with tariffs on imported grain. Instead, what happened? those tariffs sparked a trade war with china, which promptly stopped buying american agricultural exports, ruining many u. S. Farmers and forcing the trump administration to keep them afloat with enormous subsidy payments. As hallie jackson reported in 2018. Reporter: before he farmed this land in eastern nebraska, his dad did and his dad before that, but these days it is tougher to turn a profit. We need these tariffs to end sooner than later. Reporter: those tariffs put in place by president trump triggered a trade war. The longer this goes on it makes it that much harder. Costs on our end seem to be going up all the time. Reporter: now it is farmers, producers of soybeans, dairy, cotton and more, getting an assist from the trump administration as the president helps people his own policies hurt. A new, temporary $12 billion program is set to launch around a bidet, meant to offset the estimated $11 billion in losses farmers face. In fairness to trump those tariffs, like all taxes, do raise revenue. His did raise billions of dollars, almost all of which, 92%, the trump administration had to spend bailing out the farmers whose business was decimated by said tariffs. When all was said and done the trump subsidies to farmers amounted to more than the u. S. Spends to maintain its arsenal of nuclear weapons. More than the budget of the state department or nasa. So get this, trump's answer to cutting your household or childcare expenses is to do a lot more tariffs. I mean, last night a woman asked him how are you going to lower my grocery prices? and trump's response in short is i'm going to raise taxes on groceries. It is the very definition of crazy. Doing the same thing expecting different results. What is even crazier is no matter how many economists across the political spectrum say this is a recipe for disaster, no matter how many politicians oppose the idea, trump can impose tariffs unilaterally as president without congress. He does not need a bill from them. That is what he did the first time with the trade war with china and the insanity of what he is proposing, trillions and trillions of dollars in new tariffs, is not really being grappled with by the media. It is being called out by vice president kamala harris. My opponent has a plan that i call the trump sales tax, which would be a 20% tax on everyday goods that you rely on to get through the month. Economists have said that that trump sales tax would actually result, for middleclass families, in about $4000 more per year because of his policies and his ideas about what should be middleclass people paying for tax cuts for billionaires. President trump i will give you two minutes. First of all i have no sales tax. That is an incorrect statement. She knows that. We are doing tariffs on other countries. No, no, no, that's the thing. It's the same thing. The tariff is a sales tax on you. Donald trump, i don't think, understands his own economic plan, a plan that republican economists say is a sales tax on americans. A plan that turned farmers into welfare recipients the first time around. But if he is elected, no one can stop him from making the same mistakes all over again. Paul krugman is a nobel prize winning economist and distinguished professor. He is also a new york times opinion columnist and the least and recently wrote about trump and the tariff debate. It is so great to have you for a little bit of econ 101. I would not describe myself as a free trader and yet, can you just explain the basics of how a tariff works and who pays for it? basically a tariff is a sales tax. It is a tax on sales of goods. It happens to be goods that are imported from foreign countries, but it is the same thing. If you impose the tax on sales of cars from car dealers, you would expect they would pass that on to car buyers. If you impose a tax on stuff we are buying from china, you expect that to be passed on to consumers. There is nothing magic about it. Basically nothing changes if the sellers happen to be foreign and it is really weird. There is no constituency even as far as i can tell for the kinds of things trump is proposing. He has a bee in his bonnet about wanting to tax foreigners and he has this magical belief that he can somehow raise trillions of dollars from other countries without them doing anything. Without even raising prices, let alone retaliating. Remember it is a big world out there. The united states is not the sole economic superpower. The european union is about the size we are. China is about the size. You think you can do this and you will not get what happened last time, which is retaliation against u. S. Exports. It is the most bizarre thing and as you say it is a quirk of the way we have the law on trade that allows presidents a great deal of discretion setting tariffs, based upon the belief that congress would be dominated by special interests, but the president would be sensible, responsible people taking into account u. S. Interests in the world. Now we've got donald trump. That's a great point. The legal authority is wide ranging and the theory is tariffs are classic winner and loser corrupt capture sort of things. I'm the congressman from north carolina and i don't want imported tobacco. So everyone has their own thing they want to protect and you quickly have real corrupt kind of transactional politics, but now you've got the guy who is the most corrupt ever, saying i'm going to unilaterally have trillions and trillions of dollars of this. Yeah, congress basically originally agreed to the way the trade laws are written, to the presidential authority, to protect itself against itself. This was basically congress saying, look, if you let us write the tariffs line by line, then every single special interest group will get a line on its behalf. So please let's give the president the authority to negotiate trade deals and we have a single upanddown vote, but all of this presumes that the president is going to act responsibly. That the president is going to help preserve the global trading system, which by the way the united states created. We basically wrote these rules, partly because we thought that among other things, not just the trade was good for prosperity, but that it was good for world peace. Now we have a president who is, i don't know. I can't even figure out where he is getting this from. This is something where he seems to have made something up and gone searching for somebody, anybody that will tell him what isn't true actually is true. This is not just economic theory. We have evidence and practice. I talked about the trade war over agricultural goods. The washing machine tariff of 2019, quoted from the new york times when trump slapped tariffs on washing machines. The new tariffs also raise prices for drivers largely because manufacturers use the tariffs as an opportunity to raise prices on things not affected by tariffs. Meaning a boost to the cost of things and boosted profits because it gave pricing power to the manufacturers to jack up prices. Yeah, although a funny thing is that a lot of other companies, not so much washing machines, but the other tariffs that trump put on steel, those are things that are inputs to other things. Actually they raised cost and most estimates say the trump tariffs ended up reducing the number of manufacturing jobs, because what they did to raise costs was more important than what they did to protect some manufacturers from foreign competition. It is hard. It is like you could hardly do worse than the particular combination of stuff, but he wants to do it all over again. On an enormous scale. What he did was select tariffs on certain parts of our imports. Pretty much china. Now he's talking about as he says, the whole u. S. Economy. 10, maybe 20% tariffs. These numbers are being pulled out of thin air or maybe someplace lower and you know, but still, we are now talking about stuff that is really huge and would, among other things, it would become a freeforall globally. I think this is one thing that hasn't really entered the debate, but as an old teacher of mine once said, if the u. S. 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This is the date he was set to be sentenced for his conviction on 34 felony counts of falsifying business records in the election interference case. As per usual, trump wiggled out of that one when the judged agreed to delay his sentencing to after the election. Instead of sitting in court this afternoon the former president stopped in a cryptocurrency bar, taped an appearance on tv and is hosting a campaign rally in nassau county, long island. Everywhere he goes trump is continuing his latest act where he pretends to be oprah winfrey on giveaway day, in a ludicrous attempt to buy off constituencies. He keeps promising all types of tax cuts. When i am back in the beautiful white house, we will pass larger tax cuts for workers and we have a special tax that here is going to do i think quite well. It is called no tax on tips. So waiters, waitresses, caddies, people that drive cars. People that get tips who have been harassed by this government, we will have no tax on tips. That's a big thing. I'm also announcing that is part of our additional tax cuts, we will end all taxes on overtime. You know what that means? think of that. No taxes on overtime. If you are an overtime worker when you are past 40 hours a week, think of that, your overtime hours will be tax free, okay? and then for the seniors, which will be fantastic because they have been devastated by inflation. This will just about make up for it. We will have no tax on social security benefits. No tax here. Of course trump never implemented any of those great ideas when he had the chance. The major tax bill, right? now he has another one, perhaps the best one yet. As he rallies in long island he is promising to get rid of the scourge of long island voters and republican representatives. The cap of the state and local tax deduction. It used to be the case that if you lived in nassau county where state and local taxes are pretty high, you could claim the full amount, no matter how much it was, as a deduction on federal income taxes. For a lot of high earners it amounted to thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars in savings, but then some bad, mean politician essentially got rid of the salt, capping the deduction at $10,000, hiking taxes by thousands for all those people. That politician was then president donald trump, seen here getting rid of the salt deduction, an essential part of his one big piece of lasting legislation, the tax cuts and jobs act. As majority leader chuck schumer explains it was a deliberate attack meant to punish democratic voters. I think it was a nasty pieced piece of legislation supported by donald trump and at the blue states, which help people of their states in many ways. Trump himself conveniently moved his residence from new york to low tax florida the year after the change went into effect. Meanwhile a lot of affluent new yorkers and californians, residents of high tax blue states, have been losing money for five years, which makes the salt cap very unpopular with them and in certain sort of affluent suburban swing districts where republican representatives are struggling to hold onto their seats. So tonight donald trump is promising the people of nassau county he will bring back the salt deduction. I will cut taxes for families, small businesses and workers, including restoring the salt deduction, saving thousands of dollars for residents of new york, pennsylvania, new jersey and other high costs. The arsonists just showed up with a fire hose. This is more proof that all of his promises are meaningless. A lot of democrats have fought to get the deduction back. 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He did so at the behest of donald trump who told republicans not to agree to a continuing resolution to fund the government without it, but enough republicans voted against it anyway, defeating their own plan for a shortterm funding bill. I'm joined now by nancy pelosi, democrat of california. It is good to have you on. My pleasure. Thank you. It used to be something you never saw happen. The party leadership in the house bringing a bill to the floor the lost. It now happens all the time. I was not even that surprised. What do you make of today's vote? i think it is an example of ineptitude, but also an example of the president, former president, being a puppeteer. Telling republicans in the house that they must shut down government really, effectively and as he usually does, shining lights on his puppet strings so he really looks bad. The fact is i am an appropriate her and that is where the budget bill comes from, the appropriations committee. We have always said when left to their own devices the democrats and republicans on the appropriations committee can find a compromise, a solution. You just have to want to do that. Apparently the republican leadership in the house has decided they don't want to leave it up to the appropriators who know the legislation very well and they want to leave it up to donald trump, who doesn't, but who wants to shut down government, which would be a tragedy. This seems like a situation where there is broad consensus to pass a continuing resolution to fund the government and avoid a shutdown, but donald trump is obsessed with this legislation which is essentially a kind of institutionalization of the big lie. He said in a rant on social media, including many things, he accuses democrats falsely of registering illegal voters by the tens of thousands as we speak and he calls for the shutdown. He wants them to shut the government down, so that they can promote the big lie, basically, yes? well, you know what? his lips were moving, he was lying and that is just the way it is. He sometimes doesn't even know what he is talking about and other times he makes it up as he goes along, but it is really a tragedy and i only wish they would keep it up to the congress to pass the legislation that is necessary to keep government open. He is not even in the government and yet he wants to shut it down. So it was really sad to see, because this was the second time. They failed to pass the bill the first time they put it on the floor and now they are failing again. By a strong number of votes. 14 they can only lose about four votes and they lost three or four times that. In any event, it is in a good idea for the american people to have government be shut down. So they should make every effort to keep it open. He might think it is politically advantageous, because it makes us all look bad, but he does not know that the republicans, every time they have shut down government, have had to pay a price for it and we would rather debate the issues, rather than have a shutdown of government to prove how inept and how bad the president is, the former president is on these issues. I want to talk to you about the house and particularly prospects for democrats retaking the majority in the house, which i know is near and dear to your heart. There are competitive races, particularly in california and in new york, where that majority might get made. You've got trump tonight. I just did a whole bid on it. I don't know if you saw it. I saw it. So he is in long island on this sort of pandering to her and now he is promising that the tax law he signed into law, you know, whatever you think of it on the merits, he signed and definitely raised the taxes of some of those folks on long island, that he will get rid of it so those republicans can survive. What you make of this astonishing 180 he has pulled out? i don't know if it is a 180 or if it is just again not telling the truth of what he would do if he were to win, but he did want to punish blue states. California, new york, parts of pennsylvania, connecticut and the rest, by this thing. Now what people should understand about this is that state governments depend on this deduction because it enables them to use the money that people pay, local tax, to fund government. But if they are not able to deduct it, they might not engage in the purchases or whatever it is, of real estate, that enables the states to have those resources for government to work and that is what they want. They want the government to not have resources. They are antigovernment. They are antiscience. Antibiden, of course, and so here they go, but you know, really i am trying to be nice and seven makes out, minus one day. We think that we will win the house. I feel very strongly that we will. We have made a decision to win and we are making every decision in favor of winning and there are many races between california and new york where we think we can be successful. As you may recall in the last election people said we would lose 30 to 40 seats. I said that is impossible. Impossible because we know our districts and we know our issues. Whether it is a woman's right to choose, gun violence prevention. Whether it is saving the planet. Our democracy, as well. We knew the distinction, the contrast between democrats and republicans in these districts. We've lost five seats, five of them in new york and we hope to win those back, but more across the country. I don't just want to win five seats, i want us to win more like 15, so somewhere between five and 15 will be our victory and again, because we know the districts and we listen to the people and we can make the contrast, so when he tries to go into new york and talk about undoing something that he did, that he did in a mean way. Now let's talk about that. That was part of his one, shall we say accomplishment, if you want to say, something he did while he was president and they had the majority. They did one thing. They give a tax cut to the richest people in america. The top 1% got 83% of the benefits. Corporate and individuals. 83% of the benefits went to the top 1%, adding $2 trillion to the national debt and then complaining to us when we want to have in our farm bill, nutrition for people. In the budget bill when we want to have women, infants and children having food. So you see the budget should be a statement of our values. It is not about values to them, it is just money to the richest people in america who fund their campaigns and to say don't pay attention to what he says. They know he is a dolt. They know he is terrible. Don't pay attention to anything he says or does, just look at what happens to your tax return if you are in the 1%. It is shocking. I will briefly note that the one group of high earners who did see a tax hike from that bill is exactly the folks that got hit by the s. A. L. T. Deduction. Speaker emerita nancy pelosi, thank you very much for your time tonight. Thank you so much. We fully intend to win. Thank you. You made a decision. 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In the after math of the october 7th attack by hamas. The biden administration has had two objectives, prevents the war from spiraling into a larger regional content. The death toll in gaza has reached over 40,000 including thousands and thousands of children. It has become clear the biden administration wants some kind of off ramp. And for months they have been working to secure a deal for a ceasefire and the release of israeli hostages in hamas. In the idea that this would also prevent the war from spiraling. But those two goals go hand in hand. The longer we go without a ceasefire deal the more likely a significant escalation will come. And the pentagon has been clear, we must avoid that outcome. If we weren't concerned about the escalation to the north, we wouldn't still be involved in such intense diplomacy. We are concerned about it. The israeli attack, pager and walkie talkies is just the latest between israel, iran and israeli the proxies and hezbollah. Avoiding a regional war has become more and more important. And we have very close. That's what people don't realize. The majority of people in israel want a ceasefire deal. The israeli defense establishment wants a cease fire deal. But prime minister benjamin netanyahu fundamentally does not. In fact, he might fire his hawkish defense minister specifically because he wants to negotiate and end the war in gaza. The chief objective to negotiate a ceasefire get the hostages home and avoid regional confrontation, isn't actually on the table. Netanyahu himself says no hutch such deal is on the table. The current strike that the current strategy to avoid an even bloodies war does not exist. So what now. Senator, i will start by asking do you think there's an answer, did i miss something there. How do you see a path forward, maybe you think a deal is possible. Chris, two things. First i join you in condemning the despicable bigotry remarks by senator kennedy. Those remarks do not belong in the united states ever. And secondly, both to address the terrible situation in gaza but also to prevent an expansion an escalation of a war. A situation where anything could trigger a greater conflogiration. That has been the po kus. Focus. I have spoken to israeli families here in the united states and in israel and they do see very clearly a good part of the problem has been that prime minister benjamin netanyahu has put his own political survival and allegiance to the very extreme government that he has over the united states' goal of achieving a return of the hostages and a ceasefire. So, you sum that up very well. And the risks of escalations as we've seen over the next 24 hours remain greater than ever. I want to follow up on that. But since you're close to the u. S. Senator. Something that keeps me up at night having recently read the history of the hezbollah war. Is that ultimately what happened in 1983 is it 200 plus u. S. Marines were attacked in a barracks and killed. I truly tremble to any about what would happen if some of the thousands upon thousands of u. S. Service members were attacked in such a fashion, or so catastrophically and what it would mean. Are you worried independent of all their concerns in regional security, just at in basic level something like that happening the longer we continue to roll the dice. Yes, i am worried. That the united states could get sucked in to a larger war. Look, chris. You mentioned what happened after the israeli attack on the syrian compound, you know embassy compound. The iranians then launched a lot of missiles at israel. We were there as were some of our arab partners to help israel intercept those misless. But clearly, if those missiles had gotten through you would see a much bigger conflogirati o n. Where the united states would get sucked in this war. Which is why the united states is trying to not trigger escalation. Here is another tactic that is being proposed by senator bernie sanders. Stop using diplomacy, essentially use american leverage to try to force netanyahu to the table for a deal. That comes with a resolution to disapprove arm sales. The senator thinks this is the way to do it. To avoid leverage beyond the leverage it's attempted to assert to try to get to a deal. Do you believe that's an e if he effective way to go. I'm going to take a look at the sanders proposal. But i will say this. Partnership between the united states and israel cannot be a one way street. What we have seen recently is president biden make repeated requests, demands of the netanyahu government only to be totally ignored. On the ceasefire return of hostage negotiations, on settler violence. On a host of other things. I think the united states can use more effective ways. I don't think we should be providing a blank check when it comes to weapons. You can't have a situation where netanyahu's government continuously rebuffs the president of the united states and is rewarded. I have said i support defensive arms. I do not support an embargo. I accept the tools of diplomacy. I don't support an anything goes blank check. We do not do that with other security partners around the world. We say that, we want to provide help. But we also have the objectives in this case the ob