Transcripts For MSNBC Dateline 20240915

Its a surreal thing. People thought i was dead. The attack was sudden, savage. I saw a Man Standing there. I heard multiple shots. The wife, the only one is. I could only see his eyes. Her story was about a masked man shooting. Than a revelation. The dead man had a dangerous dream. And the Finding Work related to the Oil Business. I remember him telling us he was going to make millions of dollars. A venture, oozing with outlaws. A big man, steroid induced rock muscle. Greed caused all this. The thirst for oil, the lust of blood. What happens in a quiet little Prairie Town when oil comes along . Yeah. Ars, among the green and pleasant Landscapes Of American Privilege is a historic rise of land called the South Hill. Here for 100 years has been the home of spokane, washingtons elite commit in their mansions, peace lives here. Not the sort of story we are about to to be the kind of story with ambitious men, dark plots, and Dames Mi the dumb blonde who missed it, or did everyone miss it . The one so many missed be for that dreadful enclave. He thought god was blessing him. We thought we were walking on water. Here they were empty nesters, all alone in their grand house in the South Hill convinced their kids, success, good life, or products of an unflinching trust in god. When we finally got out of the desert and he was going to get into the promised land. Yes the promised land which is beyond imagining. As the not so dumb blonde knew so well. It was a madhouse. It was the Wild West. So maybe thats why life would never be the same. Im sorry. It was a time when it happened. Christmas season. 15th of december, 2013. Sunday evening after church. Caller quick, south garfield, theres been shots. This is how our story begins, in an ugly splash of violence and terror. Clinic if he hears me hes going to shoot me. But was this the beginning of the story . That was the evening Detectives Brain says Nick And Mark burbridge were pulled into the strangest case of their careers. It was the most unique homicide i had investigated, and i knew that from the first moments. Really, you just knew . Yes. Replace a Homicide Detective could go a whole career without visiting a single time. It is in a very upperclass neighborhood. South hill, thats like where you want to be in town. The street its on i had never been to before why is theres just no crime up there. Business man named Doug Carlisle, and his wife of many years, alberta. First responders arrived sometime, put up the crime scene tape. It was odd, there is Christmas Music playing throughout the house. It was very bizarre. They are very religious people, so there is religious scripture written on the walls. And you have this horribly violent and gruesome murder with a Body Laying on the floor that you are investigating. It was a very odd scene. 63yearold Doug Carlisle was on the floor clearly the victim of a close range shooting. There was a lot of blood around the body, low shell casings, a lot of bullets laying around. How badly was this person damaged . He was shot seven times. It was obviously a very brutal attack. It was not just a one time shot, and the person ran out. Whoever had done this wanted to make sure he didnt survive. And whatever had happened here didnt appear to be motivated by burglary or robbery, the entire house was locked up tight. Windows. Doors. He had his wallet, his cell phone, walking throughout the House Everything was still in place. Nothing was missing that we could find. It was dougs wife, alberta, who called 911 in what sounded like a state of abject terror. Arriving first responders found her hiding in an upstairs closet. They took her downtown. My name is mark i wanted to see my husband. The detective was ready to sympathize of course, but his training, his instinct, his eye told him not yet. Something looked off here. Shes unique, and some of her responses threw up red flags and made me concerned on whether she was involved or not. She didnt care about the police investigation. Secured was hugging her husband. She was upset the Patrol Officers would not let her pray over the body. I want my husband. I could have held him, i could have told him i loved him. I could have prayed for him. When the detective asked what happened but this is what we happen, alberta it made no sense at all. Im worried whether she had a motive, money, jealousy, boyfriend, girlfriend that shes mad about tale raises questions and suspicions. It sounded rehearsed when dateline continues. What can you do with sensitive skin . cetaphil moisturizing Lotion Hydrates for a full 48 hours. Because a lot can happen in 48 hours. Cetaphil. We do skin. You do you. Protect against rsv with arexvy. Arexvy is a vaccine used to prevent lower Respiratory Disease from rsv in people 60 years and older. 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We went to church, then we went to a church function. I dont know what happened. Hell happened, a nightmare, thats what happened. The story, to 16 said, just didnt add up. Its okay its okay that i hear back off back off back off. And when i heard the back off i saw him i looked and saw a Man Standing there in All Black. Her story was concerning about a masked man wearing All Black shooting his husband and leaving her alive read maybe she was the Hit Man, maybe she was in on it. She came right out and said so, Soul To soul. Why leave her alive unless she was in on it . I was worried of a motive, jealousy, a boyfriend, girlfriend, did she hire somebody . Did she get children to do it . He had seen many caught by sudden violence and grief, and elberta , agitated certainly, but to her practiced eye her a motion was somehow flat, as if practiced. It bothered him. It happened instantly when we got home. It was like somebody ambushed him. It almost seemed like it was rehearsed, or like she thought about this, and what could i say . Rehearsed as a good word. It sounded that way to you . Yes. You dont have to take it from the detective, we were able to arrange an interview with albert, too. My whole life was over as i knew it. Elberta told us when she and her husband returned from church that evening they drove through the gate of their property as usual. I said you get the gate you get the door. Did everything looked the same as when he left . It didnt feel right. I headed up the stairs by this time, and i got all the way to the top of the stairs and started down the hall when i heard muffled noises. Headed down the stairs and got all the way to the bottom stairs, i called out to doug, is somebody here . I looked to my left, The Man was standing right in front of the doorway. 10 feet at the most. Nine feet . And i looked at him and it was a man all in black. And he had a mask on. And he had a gun pointed where i knew my husband was standing. I couldnt see doug i only saw this Man In Black. He had a mask on. The only thing i could see was his eyes. And, he looked at me. He never moved the gun. And he blinked three times. And i thought why is he blinking at me . Why is that guy in my house holding a gun . Know what i thought was Oh My God what do i do . Hes going to kill me before i get up the stairs. I pull myself up the rail up the stairs, because my legs wont work, and im starting down the hall when i heard multiple shots. Expected you realize right away what must have happened . I knew my husband had to have been shot. So i thought ive got to hide. Elberta ran toward a closet on the second floor, shut the door, and called 911. Please stay on the line for me. Oh my god. Somebody just shot my husband, i think. Oh got hurry. He is going to find me. Okay i want you to stay on the line. Do you remember what it felt like . Sheer desperation and just an overwhelming need to go to my husband. I wanted to comfort him, i wanted to tell him i loved him. I wanted to tell him it was going to be okay did i wanted to pray for him. Oh please hurry. Please just please. He fired shots. Like six shots. He had a gun, and he was dressed in black. When the police arrived they found elberta in the closet. I want to go to my husband. They said they are working on him. I said no please let me go to my husband. And they said no you cant go down there. Did you ever get to see him that night . No. No. Now elberta found herself Face To face with the Detective Burbridge trying to get him to believe a story about a masked killer who left her alive to tell the tale. Its has made a. Its unlike hollywood. Ever heard of a case where Somebody Set Eyes on a witness after killing someone and didnt take action . I have never had that happen. So you would have expected something . Yes, at least an attempt. But there was something in her store that night that did make sense. Before the murder as she and doug drove to church, she said, they saw something out of place. There was a Van Kind of sitting up against the curb. A White Van. Like it didnt belong there . Yeah. Has police canvassed the neighborhood a witness said she saw it, too. She had come home around 5 00 that evening and noticed a van parked in front of her house. It made her nervous to the point she thought someone was breaking in. Why would she be suspicious of a van . In that Neighborhood Everyone knows everyone. The question was what did the White Van have to do with the death of Doug Carlisle, or, the cops wondered, his wife, elberta . A neighborhood security camera. What tales would it tell . We saw that suspect and saw the path he ran on. You could really see is that it was subject to appeared to be of muscular build wearing All Black. When dateline continues. . With dupixent, show off your clearer skin and less itch. 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In many if not most neighborhoods in america a White Van may not attract a bit of attention. But this is the South Hill after all. Nondescript white fans just dont show up. When Doug Carlisle winds up murdered it was obviously something we considered immediately. And again this being the South Hill another neighbor had the wherewithal to provide a special kind of help. A homeowner in the neighborhood covered the driveway with video. We picked up the van about two hours before the murder. Sure enough, a White Van coming in going on The Streets of South Hill that night, but did it have anything to do with the murder . What about that Man In Black elberta said she saw if he actually existed . He must have waited for the carliles to get home from church. And No One sought anyone go out the front door, but what about behind the house . They called in our tracking dog, stood back and watched. The track went through, over a fence through the neighbors backyard, and in the corner of that yard is a gate left open, and just before the gate there was a puddle of water. There was a good footprint in that puddle of water, and it was apparent it was fairly recent. It could be our guy. Just beyond that just inside the gate there was what appeared to be a Welding Glove in the leaves. A Welding Glove. Without is this something that may have been dropped . But it was odd enough and in a place we knew the suspect had run after the incident that we ended up collecting it as evidence. Not knowing whether that had anything to do with your murder . Correct. And something like this where it is a complete who done it you take Everything And Hope something ends up helping your case. They kept looking. So did the dog. Just beyond where the Welding Glove was found was a small wooded area and across The Street in an elementary school. Which meant maybe School Security systems could give them a picture of the guy. Another detective was able to get that video almost immediately. And sure enough when they looked at the video there he was. We saw that suspect and saw the path he ran. Could you tell who it was . It was very grainy video. You could see it was a subject who appeared to be of muscular build wearing All Black. All black. It was hard to make out, but there he was in the video, the elusive Man In Black running toward the main road. When Detective Burbridge arrived he got a look at this. I thought this was a professional Hit Man unrelated to our victim at all or the person involved in this. And i went and found my lieutenant. I knew this would be a complicated investigation, and we needed more manpower further down the road. In a matter of hours detectives were called in from all over the department, Time Off was canceled. So many questions to answer. What else did the neighbors see . And what did the Welding Glove have to do with anything . And he was the Man In Black and a more basic question. Was Elberta Carlisle involved in a plot to kill her husband . Coming up to the lord its like the further we got apart abscess even elberta admits their marriage had trouble. I left without his knowledge. When dateline continues. L. Why is progress also in our name . Weve always believed insurance should do more. Thats why weve gifted over A Thousand vehicles to veterans , funded Housing Programs for families in need and why were working to make roads safer. Youre doing good. And housing more fair. For us, thats real progress. With claritin, relieving your allergies is a walk in the park. Get fast, Allday Relief of your worst allergy symptoms like nasal congestion. live claritin clear. Air wick. Every year millions of noses are ghosted by their plugins. New Air Wick advanced. Our groundbreaking plugin that Pulses Scent for staying power, up to 60 days. 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Whether detectives kept going on a question or not two thoughts blocked all else, the desire to see her husband and the need to tell her children what happened. I want to call the Man Couldnt even see the numbers. I was just frantic. I said help me, and said wait you cant help me, i dont know what im looking for. In Moses Lake the Phone Rang at the home of shane carlisle. I received a call from my mother. We were hanging ornaments on the christmas tree. She said in kind of a screaming panic, shane, your dad, your dad was shot six times. Back yeah. It was straight up okay. Lets lets figure out what to do. He goes dad has been shot, and i said what you mean dads been shot . Dad has been killed. She greeted her daughters after the recital with the news about grandpa. They love grandpa. He was the greatest to all three of them. They had very good relationships with him. The relationship that almost wasnt for any of them. Doug and berta as he liked to call her were high school sweethearts. As their family grew their marriage shriveled. Life happens. Bertie found god. Doug did not. Like the more i found god he did not. She wont go into detail that she and doug were doomed unless i did something drastic. I left him without his knowledge. The kids with you . So you went off on your own with four kids. No job no nothing. Yeah. To a city i didnt know. To seattle, 350 miles of a little town in oregon where they lived back then. Her church kept her going. While doug here is the story according to bertie. He kept guns and decided to use one on himself. He said that he heard this horrid voice that said hes mine. And then he heard another voice that said no hes not, he belongs to me. He said it was a thunderous authoritative shook the whole room voice. And the next thing he said he felt arms picking him up and putting him on the bed he told it is . Just months later. Quite a story, The One that got doug saved in his family. He started an excavation business, and as his kids grew up, six of them, many followed, and became the family business. Hes a salesman. He can talk you into something. A total charmer. What was his Business Philosophy . I mean was he a Handshake Guy . Yes. He expected his word and a handshake was good, and he expected that of others. And isnt always true. And there were setbacks. Two bankruptcies, trouble with the irs, a string of failed businesses and falling out with Business Partners who accused doug of being less than honest. He always took care of what we owed, and we would move forward. As he entered midlife Doug Carlisle seemed content doing deals while his sons ran The Business. He had a huge heart. He had enough room in it for everybody. Huge heart. He taught you what you know . Absolutely, every aspect of business. Every aspect of life. Doug and bertie ended up in spokane when the kids grew up to be near their favorite church, his pastor preached the prosperity gospel, the idea that god rewards true belief of financial success, and they certainly looked successful when they bought the sprawling house in the South Hill. They wanted an older house like that, but they also wanted the family on the holidays we all had our own room. It looked pretty good. Did it look like your Dad And Mom were finally at a place where they were on the top of The Hill . They were doing the best i ever saw them do. They were happy. They had got it today figured it out. Now Doug Carlisle was dead, and to is tallied up the signs of his earthly wealth. Elbertas new mercedes, dougs new Pick Up Food and inside documents detailing the family fortune. Theres a lot of financial paperwork. The ones that struck me immediately was there was Loan Paperwork that appeared mr. Carlisle had filled out for different businesses, and they had his net value between 6 Million 12 Million depending on what piece of paper you looked at. Then there were documents detect is couldnt read, that is, The Ones written in arabic. He was Doug Carlisle . Successful godfearing business man, or what . Coming up i remember him saying im going to make millions of dollars. This will be for our family, and we are all going to be rich. Investigators took a hard look at business practices, and if he made enemies. I was running this investigation and about eight directions seeing if mr. Carlisle had a secret life. Even seasoned detectives were surprised. Cary. Spray flonase sensimist daily, for nondrowsy, longlasting relief. In a scentfree, fine mist. Psst psst flonase. All good. This charmin ultra soft Smooth Tear has wavy edges. Its no ordinary square. Charmin ultra soft Smooth Tear has wavy perforations that tear so much better, with more cushiony softness. Enjoy the go, with charmin. man these men of means with their silver spoons. What will become of them when they discover robinhood gold allows others to earn their very liberal rates on idle cash . They would descend into chaos. It was obvious now, no getting around it, spokane Detectives Burbridge and cestnick took a look at the clues dug up that first night. It was obvious now. No getting around it. Spoke and detect Tips Burbridge and cesnik took a look at clues doug up that first time. Surveillance video showing a White Van circling the area. Elbertas story about masked shooter in black. Video of a blackclad man walking away. This was a hit, a professional killing, which begged the question why would anyone want to kill a beloved Godfearing Grandfather . Murdered while Christmas Music filled his big, Old House . It was surreal. The house was decorated for christmas. There is christmas is a playing. In the office Documents Half in english, half in arabic, and those they could read, very interesting indeed. There was paperwork filled out promising 100 return on investments. He had a whole binder with paperwork, including names of people, who had bought into this and invested. Wait a minute, who offers a 100 return so fast . Was this for real . The names reports and records all seemed to be related to one thing. We found a lot of paperwork related to the Oil Business in North Dakota. Why that . Doug carlisle was an excavator, not an oil man. But a whole army of ambitious hardworking men thus perry towns on sudden steroids and camps testosterone. The wild lack old rush apparently, Doug Carlile was one of them. Wouldnt have known that yet. And with great wads of cash they chased a steak what they thought turned on to oil by a friend, who knew a guy. He told us about North Dakota. It is booming there. You should check things out. And see whats happening. Doug partnered in a Trucking Company that served multiple. Opportunities of a lifetime, ordained from above according to doug. Expect the whole thing fell into his lap. I think he thought that was his calling in life. A lease that would give doug and any partners he could bring in the exclusive right to drill for oil on 648 acres of land on a reservation. You had to raise money. The lease was almost 2 million. Doug carlisle tapped his friends, Business Partners, even his kids. I put 100,000 into it to help him with his dream to fulfill that. But the next step to fulfilling that dream was more daunting. Finding investors to pay for drilling as many as eight wells on the property. And that price was much more steep, more than 100 million. But the potential payoff was immense. And doug from the believed gods will, a reward for his faith. We thought we were walking on water. We thought this was a miracle. I remember him telling us we are going to make millions of dollars and this is going to be at and this is going to be for our family, and we are all going to be rich. He sat on the couch and asked what would you do with the money you could ever ask for . I said we would serve ministries, our people, our family. Now all those good intentions and dreams were gone. Now detect daves slogged through the paperwork on Doug Carlisles desk. The documents in arabic turned out to be a Scam Someone was trying to run on doug. Doug was also making promises to investors he couldnt keep him and he must have known that. 100 return practically overnight. Impossible. Now he might owe them a tremendous amount of money. Correct. They might have a reason to be angry with him. And i suspect list kept growing. How many partners did he have . 10, that we could find. There may be more. Most of them lived in and or around washington. Anyone of them could be considered suspicious. I dont believe in coincidences like that. In other words they may have planned not to be there when something was going to happen . Yes sir. Where you go . Do you know which one to target . I was running this investigation eventually in about eight directions, seeing if mr. Carlisle had a secret life, if he owed money, because he had failed Business Dealings . I have a lot of concerns. Angry former Business Partners . Angry current Business Partners . If anything, did she have something to do with it . Yeah obviously i didnt know at the time what he was doing. Coming up. Detectives learn about a charismatic Couple Kneedeep in dougs oil venture. They looked like Ken And Barbie. Finally investigators have someone to question. I researched his Criminal History and knew he had concerning items. When dateline continues. Pn that Pulses Scent for staying power, up to 60 days. Plus a fragrance boost button. Our noses wont be ignored again. 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Well if we got xfinity you wouldnt have to mess around with the connection. Therapys tough, huh . Mmm. Its like a lot about me. [laughs] a Home Router should never be a home wrecker. Oo this is a good book title. Elberta carlile was inconsolable. Inconsolable. Instantly. That night. That night i lost everything. Elbertas eldest daughter left her own family for a while to stay with her mom, try to keep her sane. She would wake up screaming every single night. And there was nothing i could do besides just hold her. It was horrible. The very thing the carliles hoped would create Security And Happiness instead brought Nothing But Sadness and grief. It was suggested it was a hit job, so now detect daves tried to figure out who. Did he have disputes with anybody . Yes. Inevitably, probably. When high stakes investors are promised returns that so far just hadnt materialized. Any number of partners might have felt like they have been taken for a ride, but who . Elberta offered a possibility. James hendrickson. He was The Man who got doug interested in the Oil Play in the first place, The Man who with his wife sarah were known as the Barbie And Ken of the Oil Patch. Rick worked for them. They stuck out like a couple of turds in a Punch Bowl one way to put it. She was a barista. What was he like . He was very cool, calm, collected. You know, older man, good looking. It was fun, and we would go out. It was nice. It was easy. I never thought i would marry him margo do business with him. But thats what she did. They moved to the Oil Patch got married in mina, North Dakota, and by 2013 he was the major face of a Trucking Operation called blackstone. Sarah signed the checks. Asked on was thes Nests Doug First invested in before he got interested in the Oil Lease. James thought he was backed by a billiondollar trust fund. I was like this guy is a winner. A lot of money around. Was the company Making Money . Sure seemed like it. It would be 20 degrees outside, he would be wearing a tshirt. Hes like standing there shivering, but hes making sure his arms are pumped up. He wants you to see his guns. Hes showing them off, and they are perfectly white teeth, tan, they looked like Barbie And Ken. That i have somewhat of a brain, that im not just a barbie. All jacked up on testosterone . I hated it, it was miserable, everyday was a plan on how to get out. We wanted to leave the oil field, but he is also much Opportunity And Money he was just like one day well get there. When the chance to buy an Oil Lease came up they went in on it together. James kicked in 600,000 for doug, only 40,000. They needed 2 million, remember. Doug was saying he would be taking over. There were disputes, and of control and money. He basically said im concerned with what james is going to try and do. He said if anything happens to me you know, it is james. Like the other partners James Hendrickson was far away when doug was killed, 700 miles away in North Dakota. Detectives pinged his phone and confirmed it. Then something happened that seemed something straight out of a detective nor noir novel. In walked a guy who easily could have been a murder suspect himself. Robert, thanks for coming voluntarily robert, career criminal Gang Member and sometimes police informant. He served time in prison on manslaughter, drugs weapons charges. I searched his history and knew he had a significant Criminal History, so i was confirmed concerned. He also knew James Hendrickson. Why was he here . To tell the cops in case they were wondering that he didnt have anything to do with the murder. No. No. No. I had nothing to do with it. Nothing. Burbridge had seen a thing or two. He pushed. We are going to start talking about some things honestly here. Im going to have a heart to heart with you. People are telling me you are the shooter. I say hell no. He went hard on him, you accused him of murder, how did he respond . He denied it, didnt even flinch. Was he your guy . I did not think he was the guy. So why did he do that . Sometimes you try to pressure people to see their reaction, and he did not flinch. The detectives asked him to take a polygraph, and he did. Did he pass . Yes he did. So, a real leader did end . Hard to know. So burbridge and his team of investigators kept working other leads, and christmas happened. Sort of. It was a rough christmas. I look back on pictures that we had smiles, but there was, you werent really smiling. It was so hard to watch her, because she wanted to give the grandkids gifts, but she was like a zombie. You cant just not have christmas, but nobody felt like it. But, Grief Wasnt all the family was feeling. A debilitating fear to cold, too. Whoever killed their patriarch might not be gun done. We bought an attack dog, a german shepherd. Detectives hit the road, and thats when they discovered something truly shocking. Doug carlisle wasnt the only vic them of the weird goingson around the Oil Patch. Coming up. This investigator, a tip at his fingertips. I clicked on it, and a flyer came up that said beware of these two people. And a potential suspect. He leaned out the door, slapped me on the shoulder, and took off. When dateline continues. Mes ] ] Keith Morrison Spokane police detective Mark Burbridge called in the troops. A few hours after the executionstyle killing Spokane Police Detective Mark Burbridge called in the troops. A few hours after the Execution Style Tiller of doug harlow, in the kitchen of his house in spokane, southfield, it was all too clear, this had to be a professional hit. He would need all the help he could get, and now, every available investigator, nearly 20 of them, chased for scattered clues. Did you actually need them all . Yes, i kept them busy. Remember the White Van the neighbors saw . The factory was unique enough that it was an Factory Event that they make for purchase. We had to identify the make and model, we had a washington will provide us with all the registrants in spokane county. Of course, every one of those bands have to be tracked down. And that Welding Glove, The One found outside a back gate, maybe the killer dropped it as it he is gift, or maybe you just happen to be there. They swabbed it for dna anyway. They scoured social media, the internet, looking for connections, looking for anything. And then, one night after, a couple of weeks after the murder i was at my desk and i got a hit on what is called a rib report, which i had never heard of. A flyer came up and said, basically be aware of these two people. What you know, the Ken And Barbie of North Dakotas Oil Patch, James Anderson and his wife, dougs primary North Dakota partners. Segment it said, they are known frauds, Running Fraud Schemes in North Dakota, do not do business with them. As detectives had figured out now, gripes, disputes, grievances were right around that project. The Ripoff Report was put out as a flyer in stores and businesses all around the Oil Patch. It was payback, apparently from one particularly disgruntled former partner, but not everyone was a boy scout. James, for example, had a criminal record going back to his teens. Anyway, when detective looked at that player, his eye landed on a very curious detail. One of jamess employees, a man named k. C. Clark had up and disappeared. I ended it at and print it off and sold it to mark and said, what you think about this . The first time we had ever heard of that name. Who was k. C. Clark . It did not take long to find out. He was an old friend of james henderson, he had moved to the Oil Patch specifically to work for henderson. Rick arey knew him well. What did you do, the two of you . We would go to the bar, chase girls, do a normal thing a guy would do. Rick and casey were Field Superintendents for the Trucking Company, which sarah was helping to run. How are you involved in The Business . I worked directly with accounting to sign off and make sure we got paid and make sure that payroll was paid on time, sort of the middleman for the paperwork. But really kind of a minor partner if i can put it that way . It was a james show, as much as people saw me all the time. Time off was rare. Eventually, Rick Arey and casey plans to work for a rival Trucking Company. He was extremely worried about someone finding out about this whole transition. Casey dropped briefly into the headquarters and then was gone. So, did he leave in a huff, or was it something else, because nobody ever saw him again. No sign of him at all. He had been missing for a year, almost two years at that point. He had been questioned extensively and had taken a polygraph North Dakota law enforcement. And past . Yes. Still, James Hendrickson had to know something about Casey Clark and Doug Carlisle. Detectives got in the car drove 700 miles to watford city, North Dakota. With the windshield, i believe it was 60 below. Their destination, the home of James Hendrickson. In the garage was like a 2 Euro bentley, flat tires, almost laying on its belly. Obviously not taken care of at all. No. Sarah answered the door, very pleasant, said detectives, and went to get james. How did James Hendrickson greet you . Did he tell you a story, sit you down for a cup of tea, what . Segment he leaned out the door, slapped me on the shoulder, and said, it is too bad you drove all that way, my attorney told me not to talk to you and shut the door. Segment and you got nothing, kind of a rude reception. A big man, probably 510, 250 pounds of sterling, muscle. He blacked bragged that he missed over 500 pounds. He reached out and try to belittle me. But nothing to do but suck it up and drive those 700 miles back home again, emptyhanded. Along the way, the detective says nick got a Blood Clot nearly killed him. A month after Doug Carlisles murder, they had suspects, oh yes, but nothing was coming together. Coming up, finally a clue, and it is a big one. The very top of the paper is the word, glove. What killer makes a to do list . Who does it point to . When dateline continues. C but im Protecte D with arexvy. Arexvy is a vaccine used to prevent lower Respiratory Disease from rsv in people 60 years and older. Rsv can be serious for those over 60, including those with asthma, diabetes, copd and certain other conditions. But im protected. Arexvy is proven to be over 82 effective in preventing lower Respiratory Disease from rsv and over 94 effective in those with these health conditions. arexvy does not protect everyone and is not for those with severe allergic reactions to its ingredients. 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I got order to go out or know how many times over the next couple of days, obviously, i was not going anywhere. The case, they knew they had something, but what exactly . Segment it was one of those cases, they knew they were on the right track, but we also knew there was a lot of work left. And for the carlisles, a lot of. Alberta was a functioning mess. I did not lose my dad, i lost my mom too, because she was not the same person for a long time. And, adding insult, dougs secrets were exposed for the whole world to see. That big house on The Hill, heavily mortgaged, the fancy cars, not paid for, the paperwork that claimed he was worth millions, a facade. Doug carlile was flat broke, had not even bought life insurance. Do you ever feel angry at all at doug for not writing more of an Insurance Policy or something . No, not at all, because he was a very good provider all the days he was alive. Really didnt believe in insurance policies like that, i believed in trusting the lord for our finances, and that is what we did. Secrets, just another casualty as the little army of detectives searched for close, like for example, the strange find that turned up on the killers escape path, the weirdly out of place Welding Gloves. They flop it for dna on the off chance of A Shot In The Dark that there was something in or on that glove that might match Someones Dna in a databank. And how about that, it did. Timothy suckow. Never heard the name before. Was Timothy Suckow . A violent individual, been to prison for robbery. I thought, this could be our god. Was he local . Segment he was local. He was working at an irs company. They dont drive around in irs vans, do they . Checked and irs environmental was one of the companies that owned a van that matched what was in our video. Timothy suckow must have been the muscular Man In Black seen on this video, Running For Dear life in the equally mysterious White Van. They looked him up, he lived in the suburbs, a wife, kids, his house was 10 miles from the murder scene. We have the s. W. A. T. Team sitting on him for about two hours, waiting on him to move, because we did not want to take him at his house with the potential of firearms. But when suckow and another man left the house, police moved in to make the arrest. A few hours later, the Police Photograph suckows many tattoos. He is a very hearted individual, very large man. Solid muscle. Weve got paperwork. The interview began, detectives made no bones about it, they thought they had suckow dead to rights. Today is the day to help yourself out. I did not come to you by accident. My killer left something at the house and your dna is all over it. No joke. The van at your work that you drive is on that video up there. You guys are scaring me now. You should be scared. Youre looking at federal conspiracies to commit murder, fraud, life in prison. Yeah. Do i need a lawyer before we even do anything . Thats your choice. Probably smarter. At this point, we are probably beyond accusations here you are under arrest. You can help yourself out. You can take me to jail. Well iron this out in court. You guys are at the wrong tree. Im not kidding. Im not kidding you either, man. I have your dna. Timothy suckow was done talking. And pages look me in the eye, laid his head down and went to sleep. It was like a big, emotional release to him that it was finally over. After that, detectives rounded up Search Warrants for Suckows House and car. In his car, we found a very significant piece of evidence. A piece of Notebook Paper with a list of items to be done. At the very top of the paper is the word, glove, with a question mark. And then there are statements about wheelman, wing man, a getaway on google earth. A practice with a pistol. Almost like a confession on a notepad. What killer makes a to do list . It was a Todo List of how to go and prepare this murder. It was always almost hollywood like. This is a month after the murder and we arrest we believe is the shooter, and he has a to do Kill List in his car. You cant make this stuff up. Suckow also had a storage unit. Where . A Surveillance Camera picks up a White Van pulling up soon after the murder. Suckow had to be there shooter. The question was, who put him up to it, and why . Suckow would not tell them, refused to say a word. Then, they got a Search Warrant for his phone. s Contact List said, james in indy. Jackpot. Jackpot. That was the first time we had ever connected him henrikson. James and sarah arrived to become the Ken And Barbie of the Oil Patch and before long, one man is missing and another dead, the suspected Hit Man is has james on speed dial. As for sarah, there was a shock in store for her too. Emotionally, a lot to deal with. It was, really. It has ruined my life. Coming up, sarah becomes suspicious about her has. Did you think at the time, i wonder if james has something to do with this . It seemed fishy to me. And that she gets a call from the sheriff. He said, you need to get to my office right now. When dateline continues. Things are getting clearer yeah, i feel free to bare my skin yeah, thats all me. Nothing is everything with skyrizi, you can show up with 90 clearer skin. And if you have psoriatic arthritis, skyrizi can help you move with less joint pain, stiffness,swelling, and fatigue. Skyrizi is just 4 doses a year after 2 starter doses. Serious allergic reactions and an increased risk of infections or a lower ability to fight them may occur. Tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms, had a vaccine, or plan to. Thanks to skyrizi, theres nothing like clearer skin and better movement, and that means everything. Nothing is everything nows the time, ask your doctor about skyrizi. Learn how abbvie could help you save. laying] learn how abbvie could help you save. Keith morrison sometimes, the best detective is named luck. A dropped Welding Glove leads to a tattooed presumed hit sometimes, the best detective is named look. A dropped glove leaves leads to a hitman named suckow, whose phone provides the direct connection to The Man who may have under the order the murder of chennai. Investigators were able to rule out all of Doug Carliles Business Partners in washington state. At this time, that you feel like you have the outlines of what the conspiracy was . I think we had a pretty good idea of what was going on, but it turned out to actually be a lot more. A sentiment, which, as the investigators turned rapidly to be North Dakota. Sarah, a. K. A. Mrs. James henderson, could have put it in the same words, but for a more personal reason. There was rumors of james having an affair. It is an old story, of course, Husband Cheats on wife with a younger woman, even younger than sarah, who was only in her 20s. What was he like to hear that he was cheating on you in the first place . It was hurtful. It was so offthewall, i just did not leave it. Like generations of wives before her, until the truth was impossible to avoid. But was that like to hear . Horrific. Especially when i found out with who. I just thought, absolutely not, no way. Would not believe it. I mean, she was like my little sister. This is her, the young woman in the unpleasant little triangle. But she was just some other woman. This is peyton martin, daughter ofhall, the chief of the mha nation, on whose tribal and was the oil, The One james and doug wanted so badly. Peyton was 19. He knew her. Had Family Vacation with her quite a bit. In fact, here they are in hawaii, james in the water, sarah on the paddleboard and they are on another board was peyton. I think i found a picture of her on facebook where she was pregnant. So i called her and asked her, and she said, its none of my business, but if it is my hopes, then get over it. Peyton denied saying that, by the way, but when the baby was born, the very thought healthy and happy little boy. James and peyton named him bentley of all things. Bentley, just like that expensive automobile james bought for sarah, and then left in the garage with flattened tires. You cant make it up. Its weird, its just so strange. As you can see, he was The One who wanted the car, and the name, and the show. Chief tex hall, as you might imagine, was not pleased about any of that. He banished james from the reservation, but there was Something Neither Tex nor sarah knew just then, not just that the spokane cops were investigating sarahs wayward. Out on the North Dakota prairie, another man had been poking around for more than a year. Homeland Security Agent Derek Trudell had heard from a colleague about the missing case in clark and the Ripoff Report, and other possible crimes. He told me the story, it sounded unbelievable, is what it did. By the time burbridge started showing up, they could tell him a thing or two about james henderson. How to describe him . He comes across as, just you are at a loss for words. He comes across as a youth car salesman, but it is really not fair to use our salesman. The guy, he is a scumbag. At the time Doug Carlile was murdered, he had, just as coincidence, been on Jamess Trail for more than a year, looking into possible illegal drug imports, and the mysterious disappearance of employee k. C. Clark. It looks like henrikson was maybe as some sort of Wild West outlaw. Is a sociopath. The guy is a coward. He did not get his hands dirty in any of it. Trudell already suspected henrikson may have ordered someone to kill Doug Carlile. Then, Doug Carlile was murdered in Washington And Trudell began working with Detective Burbridge. If Timothy Suckow was a hitman in spokane, did he kill k. C. Clark too . Agents pulled records of all the Cell Phones being used around the time of k. C. s disappearance in North Dakota. They checked mr. Suckow S Number at the time against phone Records Date required acquired back when mr. Clark disappeared and mr. SuckowS Number within those records. Meaning, suckow was in the area when k. C. Clark disappeared. Sarah, while her marriage apart , had begun to harbor suspicions about james, and not just his cheating ways. It went back to the day james told her about Doug Carliles death. Just walked into the room and was like, doug is dead. Straightfaced, nothing. It was the strangest thing, ever. Did you think of the time, i wonder if james had something to do with this . You know, it seemed fishy to me, it did. Again, your life is already crumbling, you dont want to think your husband could be doing anything like that. You know . Why didnt you get out of that marriage . I was scared of him, you know . Everyone wants the fairytale. Everyone wants to be married, live a good life with kids, he kind of came crashing quickly. Finally, sarah started talking about divorce. I told him, and he would be like, how are you going to feel if you divorce me and you find out all of this is not true, the kid is not mine, he was like, you will be the horrible person, im going to destroy you, and he was very threatening. Was he serious . A month after the murder of Doug Carlisle, january 2014, sarah got a call from her local sheriff. He said, you need to come to my office right this weekend. Coming up, sarah gets some frightening news. Homeland security was waiting for me. They were like, your husband is trying to have you killed, today. When dateline continues. This is better. This is better. Thats better. 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Sarah creveling did not know where to turn. With investigators in two states closing in, her husband, james, had finished. Their marriage was on Life Support and she had just been summoned by her county sheriffs. To i went to his office and Homeland Security was waiting for me. They were like, sit down. We need to talk talk to you. And they said, we just received in the last 10 minutes that your house is trying to have you killed today. Sarah, on a Hit List . But why . Sarah had a pretty good idea. He wanted all the money, and he knew i had it locked up with the divorce eating ready. So, get her out of the way, and we will get all the assets, so they could run to brazil. But sarah, marked for death . Yes, the sheriff told her, she was supposed to die that very day. What was that moment like for you . I cant even describe it. It does not seem real. It is like a movie. I sat there and spoke with them all day and i had asked, can i call someone . Like, i dont know what to do. They said, nope we have to take you into a safe home. Called No One . Not even your mom . No, because they were afraid james would harass my family and friends to find my location, once he realized i wasnt responded to him, he went into panic mode. He did not know if i was working with the police, if i was dead, if i was on the run. The cops knew her was lurking somewhere out there, but they couldnt find him. He was arresting a lot of my Friends And Family, trying to see if they had heard from me, which they hadnt. Now, the cops were sarahs best hopes to stay alive. They tried a ruse to throw him off the scent. Even drove to the Order Of Canada to make it look like i had jumped the border to see if james with chase me. He did not, but where was he . No one seemed to know. With sarah close enough so they could actually see her, investigators tried to track her husbands home phone. You are sitting and Homeland Securitys office, you are listening to them paying him across the state, is on the run, hes on the move. I think a car backfired in the Parking Lot and all of these agents pulled their guns out and run to the windows, because they did not know if james was in town. It is a surreal thing. Even if they found him though, he could not charge him with murder or conspiracy, didnt have enough evidence for that. They did have something quite. A few days earlier, Search Warrant in hand, state and federal agents, including Homeland Securitys eric trudell, descended on james and sarahs the house while they were out of town. Got a lot of financial records, got some firearms. Yeah, i can remember the exact number. Does not matter if there is one there, he is a convicted felon, right . Yeah. Grounds for immediate arrest. Agents found and out in a dakota , and a few days later in a little place, there he was. What was he doing . He was over at his girlfriends friends apartment. That is the apartment of a friend of peyton, the chiefs daughter. We had Guys Stake out surveillance and as we drove by, i recognized him and i knew that was him. Walking on The Street, yeah. He was stopped, told him to show him show us his hands. He was surrounded, guns drawn and pointed. He had his hands in his pockets, kept telling him to show me his hands, he would not show me both hands at the same time, and he has got this stupid mark on his face. And eventually, enough is enough, helped him to the ground and put handcuffs on him. And he just smiled up and asked me, hey, how are you . He instantly went into trying to charm us. Trying to pull a con on a cop . Dear, dont know if he was trying to build a rapport with me and build a relationship and we were going to be buddies. Bizarre though the arrest was, James Henrikson was at least in custody. Sarah, who had no choice told her, had to hide in a secret shelter, unable to call friends or even parents, just in case the hit was still a go. I had a bunch of friends call the sheriff and the police , and they were asking, they said, we think hes had her killed. Will you drive around and look in ditches, because No One was allowed to know. They wanted him to think that it had gone through, to see what he would do. I can imagine what it would be like to your family. It was hard for them. And james agreed very civilized to talk to investigators, but what he did not do [ laughter ] you guys are hundred percent sure you can protect me . Was tell them the real story of what he had been up to. I had to deal with the cartel and the ma. The mexican Mafia And Drug cartel . He gave us a story. He talked about the cartels, the triad, all of these Organized Crime groups he implied having connections to. You guys can put all the charges you want on me, and if i dont see anything, you know, like whatever, they kill me in prison. Did he think you were buying it . I think in his mind, he thought we were buying it. It was outlandish, nobody is going to believe that. Trouble was, investigators in North Dakota and spokane still did not have enough solid evidence to charge James Henrikson for the murders of k. C. And Doug Carlile. They would have to find it while henrikson waited in jail, that is if they could keep him there. He had other ideas. Coming up, preparing for the great escape. They knock out that window, dropped some bedsheets to the ground. Nine stories. Oh my god when dateline continues. C nothing is proven more effective for 24hour, nondrowsy Allergy Relief in 1 pill. Live claritin clear. li[music playing]ar. Keith morrison James Henriksen was one of the stranger perps Homeland Security James Henrikson was one of the stranger purpose Homeland Security Agent there trudell had ever encountered and had an attitude. But, as trudell discovered, henrikson was also an inept terminal, rarely seemed to get his schemes to work. It is almost like a tragicomedy when you see the group of people involved in this case. Like the time they put out a hit on another business partner, but The Hitman ran off with the money. The guy ripped them off for 2000. As he said, the most easiest 10,000 hed ever made. Gradually, Agent Trudell and Burbridge And Sosnick amassed Circumstantial Evidence to show henrikson for all his criminal fumbling did orchestrate two murders. It was not quite enough Circumstantial Evidence to take to trial. So finally, the break they needed. [ crying ] Timothy Suckow, remember him . Admitted he killed both victims on orders from James Henrikson, and the middleman came too. Robert Robert Delao , The Man who came snooping around days after the murder and past the polygraph, which might say something about polygraphs. Now, delao admitted he recruited suckow and transmitted henriksons orders, and the money. It was cash. So, september 2014, nine months after his arrest on weapons charges, James Henrikson was flown from North Dakota to spokane, washington, and charged with multiple federal counts of conspiracy, solicitation, and murder for hire in the deaths of k. C. Clark and Doug Carlile, and attempts of the lives of three Business Partners. He was not charged, however, with trying to kill his wife, sarah, because, said the prosecutors, they went with the charges that were easiest to prove. So, henrikson was toast. Unless as He Sat in the Spokane Jail awaiting trial, henrikson did his best to see that the trial would never happen. He tried to hire people to attack the Marshall Van that was transported between the courtroom and the jail. He was still letting on that he had a lot of money. And in jail, obviously, he does not take too long to find people that will bite on that. Unfortunately found one that also needed help with his current charges, so he turned him in pretty quickly. And thus, the plan was foiled. Yes. But Henrikson Wasnt done. He was in a cell with another person suspected of murder. At our jail, there are windows. They knocked out the window, tied some bedsheets down to the ground. Nine stories. Oh my god. Some people showing up for Work Saw It Hanging out the window. Can you squeeze someone out the window . There purposefully designed so an adult human Head Cant get out the window. There was no way he was getting out the window. They could have charged him for escape attempts, but they didnt. The prosecutor had bigger things to do. Finally, january 2016, James Henrikson encountered them. I was so mad i could not see straight. Doug carliles still grieving family. I had to close my eyes several times and say a prayer, god, call me down. I wanted to put my hands on him, for sure. And then you would be in trouble. And it would be worth it. On the ottoman Detective Johnson prosecutors assigned to the case, they were not exactly confident. Proving k. C. Clarks murder was the toughest part. We had no body, no rinse evidence. To get a conviction, they would need these two sketchy characters, on orders from henrikson had done some truly awful things. If they didnt tell the story of my surgery leave it, henrikson would do away with murder. But if they did tell it, what sort of credibility with a person like that have . My concerns are, most important witness is going to admit that he killed two people, literally beat k. C. Clarks brains out. Our number two witness has a tattoo on his back of him urinating on the headstone of the last guy that he killed. These are our two Start Witnesses. Still, Tim Suckow, the actual killer , was by far the more important witness. After all, suckow could tell the Jury Chapter and verse about The Many twisted, homicidal plots set in motion by James Henrikson. Two nights before the trial was to begin, the attorneys went to see suckow, to prepare him for his testimony, and that is where it all went south. Suckow is bipolar. He was laying down on the floor of the Prison Cell in a fetal position. So, this is two days before our Start Witness is going to testify. And he is basically sucking his thumb on the floor of the jail cell. We are there at 10 00 at night trying to make sure this guy gets his medication so he can effectively testify before a jury. Would james, the desperado of the Oil Patch go free . I had decided long before that James Henrikson was crazy, i did not know he was that kind of crazy. When dateline continues. So, what about 574 for switching your Home Insurance to allstate . Tempting. But thats way too much of a hassle. 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So when the trial began in federal court, no cameras allowed, the prosecutors held their breath. And, suckow, back on his meds, came through. In court, he repeated just what he said here in his pretrial interviews, that he met delao when they both worked for the company that owned the White Van he drove. The year before that job, he said, delao told him he could make money for roughing up some got in North Dakota. Divorce, that is James Henrikson, changed the plan. He started telling me about k. C. So, when k. C. Showed up at Jamess Office before going on vacation, suckow was behind the door with a heavy truck jack. [ crying ] and he stumbled and fail. I hit him about three, four more times. He stopped breathing. They ditched k. C. s truck in a neubauer nearby town, said suckow and took him to a lonely spot out of town. He said, he did the digging while henrikson stood nearby. He said something like, how much is this going to cost me . And i said, 20,000. He choked, 20,000 . Its first degree murder, man, its the death penalty. I turned back around and took a couple of more Shovel Loads and turned back and looked at him and i said, do me a favor, dont shoot me in the back of the head while i am digging this whole. He really should have. Anyway, he said, he got the 20,000 and burned the bloodied clothing. Investigators found buttons and other evidence of that burn pile. But, although they took suckow out to the prairie twice to look for the burial site, they never found k. C. Clarkss body. K. C. Clark was simply killed for the reason that he just wanted to leave James Henrikson employment. So im going to kill him . It was almost like a jealousy, cheating Spouse Type of thing. And why did he want Doug Carlile killed . He really thought the Oil Deal they were involved in was worth tens of millions of dollars. And he thought that Doug Carlile was standing in the way of him getting most large share of the tens of millions of dollars. Mr. Carlile had already threatened henrikson that he was going to get him out of the oil drilling business. They were each trying to get each other out of the deal. At the trial, prosecutors introduced hundreds of Text Messages, an almost biplane account as plan rolled out. You can watch a Text Message go from henrikson to delao , and the content is passed from delao to suckow, and back the other way. Negotiations over payment who is going to be there, does he have an alarm system. So, when Doug Carlile returned from church that evening in december, suckow was waiting. He brought a heavy Welding Love in case he had to punch in a window. He did not have to go. I have the pistol pointed at him and i told him to back it up and get In The House. And i saw mrs. Carlile come into sight from the hallway. She backed away and mr. Carlile moved his hand and i panicked. I fired. It seemed like the fourth shot and he failed to move. I ran fast. And then, somehow the Welding Love got left behind. The glove that revealed Suckows Dna and broke the case. Without the glove, we would probably be unsolved to this day. And what could have happened then . James henrikson, according to prosecutors, was a very dangerous man, was actively planning more murders. Eventually, they said, had suckow not lost his Welding Love, henrikson might have become that worst of all criminals. A Serial Killer is someone who causes the Death Murder of three people. He certainly got an a for effort, because he tried. There were about 11 people that we know of that he tried to have murdered. James henriksons S Attorneys declined our request for an interview, but blamed the murders on suckow and delao, not henrikson and essentially argued , the jury should not believe two such unsavory characters. Carlile watched the trial play out day after day, same prayer on her lips. I pray for justice. I pray that the truth would come forward and that there would be a way to go on in life. Deliberations took less than a day. On all 11 counts of murder for hire him a solicitation, conspiracy, and more, the jury found James Henrikson guilty. We wanted to jump up and down and clapped as a family, because our whole family was there. It was great. In the weeks that followed, Robert Delao, the gobetween , was sentenced to 23 years in prison, but Timothy Suckow, The Hitman faced the judge. The only thing that he ever asked for was that we do what we can to ensure that he was sent to a prison with appropriate Mental Health Facilities so he could figure out what was wrong with him. And then in court, he turned around and faced alberta. He said, please forgive me, i am so sorry for what i have done. Did he seem genuine . He did. He said it in tears, i can forgive myself, but can you forgive me . And i told him, yes. I said, i forgive you and god forgives you. Cigarette 30 years for Tim Suckow. When it was James Henriksons turn, a Ripple Ran through the court. Would he too asked for forgiveness, admit guilt, apologize, reveal the location of k. C. Clarks body . Well, no, not a chance. He read a Short Story that was very graphic about abortion , so much so that everybody in the Court Room was very uncomfortable with what he was saying. I think he just did that to purposefully upset people. I decided long before then that James Henrikson was crazy. I did not know he was that kind of crazy. James henrikson received two consecutive life sentences. He is appealing. In august 2023, henrikson successfully petitioned the court to vacate two of his 11 convictions, but that ruling does not impact his life sentences. Here in the past, and the kota grasslands, k. C. Clarks Friends And Family are still searching, buying to stay with it until they find him. You just want to like, all right, james, you son of a , we are going to get him ourselves we dont need you. We are going to get him home and finally get some closure to everyone out here. And alberta . Sit sometimes it overwhelms me. I am just a pile of tears. I have not long. It takes some figuring out. Sarah was held lameness, not involved in jamess violent conspiracies, although in the community, and among those in law enforcement, suspicion lingers. In june, 2017, she pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit mail fraud. Sarah was intense to three years probation, in order to pay over 340,000 in restitution. So, as you look at all of these events, and you think, gosh, what sin do i commit to in this spot . What would you say . I trust in a con artist. I trusted a sociopath. Since i married a monster, people think i should be one too, but im not. Wreckage, much of it. Once upon a time, in a flat, the gracious land, where tough men wrestled for oil, murderous ambition bubbled up with the crude and made a plate as old as humankind. What was it all about me really . Why . Greed, plain and simple, just came out to greet. It was all about money. Im craig melvin. And i am natalie morales. And this is dateline. My question is, why . I did no