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Questions, well jump in. Plus Kamala Harris leaving for pennsylvania where her Campaign Plans to pinpoint critical slivers of the electorate including Polish American voters. Will that be the key to winning the biggest prize on the Swing State board. And russia accused half a dozen british diplomats of Spying And Sabotage and kicked them out of the country just as President Biden is about to meet with them at the White House. What does the timing of all it tell us. We start with Donald Trumps unfounded claims about migrant crime and new details showing a national Neonazi Group had a Hand In helping spread the claims all the way to the former president. Despite being told those stories are baseless and false, Donald Trump kept repeating them, at the debate and at a rally and when a reporter asked him where he got that information well thats come from stories and television and some of the pets, i dont know, Cats Dogs or both, but some of the pets were taken by the migrants. And it is a shame. It is sad. And beyond that, 20,000 migrants have moved into a community and these people are doing a lot of damage. And the people in the community are not happy and we dont want to that to happen to arizona. It is unclear what if any impact any of this will have on the president ial race. A new Reuters Poll done after the debate shows Kamala Harris leading 47 to 42 . That is still within the margin of error. But a senior researcher with the southern Poverty Law Center tells Nbc News, either way it is a win for groups spreading hate. I want to bring in Garrett Haake who is with the former president in california. Peter baker is New York Times white House Correspondent and brandy is a Senior Report Fresh Nbc News who covers Mirs Information and extremism. It is good to have all of you here. So garrett, he said he knows won in 2016 because of the border and if not the top issue this year. Treaticly, is he happy to dominate a News Cycle because believes those oun founded claims . Is this a strategy, a thoughtful strategy . Chris, i think if you squint hard enough at this to borrow a phrase from the debate, you could see the concept of a plan for a strategy here for Donald Trump. You touched on it. He believes immigration and relatedly crime are two the issues that will drive this race. What he saw here and in his rightwing Fever Swamp on the internet where this story became promoted spoke to what his bases fears are about migrant crime in this country. Now of course it has not turned out to be true. But Donald Trump was eager to embrace it during the debate on tuesday. Im told that his staff was not surprised that this was something that he talked about. And i think now it is become an issue where he and his campaign are going to have to decide, perhaps as soon as a few minutes from now, when this what is described as a Press Conference, well see again if he takes questions, gets underway behind me. If this is an issue he wants to continue to focus on or if hes ready to try to change the subject. If his strategy here was to get people focused on haitian immigration or illegal immigration which is not the case in springfield, ohio, or any of the other ancillary issues, that has not been the outcome here. Were fact checking the claims and talking about the Community And Damage that it has done in that community. I think well find out in real time very shortly whether Donald Trump thinks this is a strategy still that he wants to pursue, chris. So peter, hes not just talking about it. Hes posting about it. Images of cats that say dont let them eat us. Vote for trump. Your paper, the New York Times wrote this. Quote, theyre over the Cop Imagery gives them a field of an inside joke a just kidding implies, circulating debunk material to get in on it. The reality is beside the point. I mean, is it Tongue And Cheek . Because obviously peter, if you ask people in springfield where theyve had Bomb Threats at City Hall Yesterday and white supports have rallied, so what is going on. Reality has never been the basis of a Donald Trump campaign. Reality is what he said it is. If you dont think that cats and dogs have been eaten, that is your problem as far as hes concerned. Hes spinning a narrative, a country under invasion from people outside of the country, from the southern border who are moving into your neighborhoods an taking your jobs, theyre taking your resources and your pets now. And if there are Fact Checker Bhoz are going to nitpick about the specifics, it doesnt matter. It all fits in there. What is striking about this, i mean, ive been watching a bunch of trump rallies for a story and im struck by how much immigration is the dominant topic of every single one, no matter what it is supposed to be about. He may talk about inflation or talk about foreign policy, or whatever, but it keeps coming back again and again and again throughout the rallies to immigration. It is like a one issue campaign. He thinks that is a salient, it galvanizes his base and generates anger and motivates people to vote. So he thinks it is a winner and hes going to keep talking about it. But it is it is a gamble obviously because a lot of americans value immigration and dont see it the same way that he does. Im going to admit i didnt watch the whole rally but i think it went about 70 minutes and several reports were that a vast majority was about immigration so that is exactly what youre talking about. Brandy, lets deal with reality. Let talk facts. What could you tell us about this Neonazi Group that seems to be proud of this fact that they have a major Hand In moving this debunked claim, racist claim forward. Yeah, there springfield, ohio there is a group that is a Neonazi Group and theyre operated by two former marines and they go to communities where there is some sort of discord, where last year it was drag story hour, would you see white nationalists marching with swastikas. And that year weve seen them in harrisburg, pennsylvania, in springfield, ohio. They were trying to get into the antiimmigration, the topic is so hot right now, so white nationalists know that too and theyve been appearing at springfield rallies and springfield City Council meetings an making threatening speeches and online making memes and pushing these angry racist rhetoric. But usually that is where it stops. For this time, for some reason, j. D. Vance and Donald Trump have promoted the claims and refused to back down. So for these white nationalists, these mission accomplishes. I recommend people read your column. It is so great. But one of the people said, correct me if this is not the exact quote, this is what power looks like. This is motivating for them. That they believe that something they put out there has made its way to the former president and republican nominee. And hes saying it every single day. Yeah, if you remember that moment during the last debate, the former debate where Donald Trump mentioned the proud boys and said stand back and Stand By. It is a very similar thing. Where the tiny groups that operate on the internet and go and terrorize smul communities. On the internet, that is where it is expected to stay. They dont expect that the Wouldbe President would amplify these claims. So for them, again, this is really like christmas. They seek to recruit, to intimidate, to strike fear in the hearts of people in these communities and to move the gop further, further towards extremism. That is their stated goal. And with this, a researcher told me theyve absolutely the Poverty Law Center. Theyve succeeded. So peter to your point, the president has said wild things and trafficked in Conspiracy Theories since he began running for office. Hes gone after migrants, that is for sure. Countless times in the past. I guess the key question for 2024 nor november is whether peoples appetite, and im talking about the undecided, these middle voters who will decide this election, if their appetite is markedly different than it was in 2016, if this ends up hurting and not helping him. Yeah, i mean, look, it works for his base obviously. This is a Base Election as it often is with Donald Trump and he is speaking to people who agree with him and agree the border has been a disaster for a long time, the biden administration there were very high rates of people coming over the border and that did create a hardship on a lot ever communities. That is for real. Theyre not eating cats and dogs. But the numbers have fallen so it is back to the lows that they were when biden took office, when trump gave up office. And i think that the people he needs to win, he needs to win over in order to get past the 45 or so that hes got in order to get a win, arent motivated by that in the same way. So that is the real trick. Is it about getting turnout among people who are already persuaded by him or reaching out to people who havent been persuaded by him so far. So i want to bring in Carlos Carillo and i want to play what the former president said just the other day. As the people of arizona understand better than anyone else, under Kamala Harris our country is under a thing called invasion. Did you ever hear the word invasion. Like a military. It is like a military invasion. Were being conquered and were being occupied by a foreign element. When youre talking about a race so close, where in Swing States like in arizona and nevada, it could be decided by migrants. Does It Rhetoric has the potential to hurt him with voters even if it helps him with his base. What is your take on it . Chris, i think peter made this point and it is important to highlight it. Immigration is an issue where republicans can and should be on offense. It is one of the great weaknesses of the bidenharris administration. We could take a look at any poll to confirm that. The problem with Donald Trump is that he doesnt just go on offense, sometimes he becomes offensive in discussing immigration in particular. And the very few undecided Swing Voters that are out there, reject that kind of rhetoric. They do not want to hear people being denigrated. They dont want to hear people being dehumanized. They want to know what the solutions are for a better immigration system. So Donald Trump once again is showing why he is his own worst enemy. Well there is another level to this, i think, peter, which is we talk about this a lot yesterday, that a wellknown conspiracy theorist, Laura Loomer traveled with the president. She was i think in the Spin Room after the debate. She was with him on 9 11. A visit to a firehouse, Shes Someone who has known to deny what we know are the fakes about 9 11. And now, while all of this is happening, all of this conversation, South Dakota governor Kristi Noem who made headline this is spring for shooting her puppy is caming for Trump Today in pennsylvania. You cant make this stuff up, peter. No, you cant. Look it is the people he surrounds himself with that hes decided hes going to say these are the folks i want representing my campaign. It said something that Laura Loomer who said 9 11 was an inside job. That in fact other people would have been around trump for all of these years including Lindsey Graham and Marjorie Taylor Greene are saying shes too far. That is too across a line that we shouldnt cross. So hes increasingly trafficked in rightwing Conspiracy Theories, Fringe Groups and so on, particularly since leaving office. Even more so i think than he did in his time as president. And it may be because they were the most loyal to him as he saw it in the days when he was being shunned by established republicans january 6. If youre loyal to him, that is all he cares about, no matter what your political views may be. He had a white supremacist to maralago and talking about Hitler Wasnt so bad. And willing to work with or traffic with or familiarize himself with people like this without any consequence to him and i think that is seen all over again this week with who hes traveling with. Brandy, thank you so much and you should read her reporting at msnbc. Com and carlos and peter are staying with me. Antony blinken will be in the Tate Department Room and well take you there. And why putin is expelling all britain diplomats from russia. All of that is Coming Up after this. Russia all of that is Coming Up after this izon business. kevin now our businesses get fast and reliable internet from the same network that powers our phones. aaron so whatevers next. Were cooking with fire. Vo Switch to the partner businesses rely on. The virus that causes shingles is sleeping. In 99 of people over 50. Its lying dormant, waiting. And could reactivate. Shingles strikes as a painful, blistering rash that can last for weeks. And it could wake at any time. 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We understand there is no announcement today. The british an the french has been pushing hard for the u. S. To lift its restrictions, handcuffing basically Volodymyr Zelenskyy from firing u. S. Made Atacms Deep Into russia. The british and the french think that this restriction should not be made on them and they have weapons, comparable weapons and theyre willing to do it, there is an effort to get the allies to be unanimous about this, to present a United Front against putin. He has threatened this is a escalation of war whether they take that seriously or not. This is a close call based on the intel of how putin will react. He think biden should go along with this but were talking about the british weapons, not the u. S. Weapons. Peter, Given The Red Line that vladimir putin has drawn, how tough a Balancing Act that Joe Biden needs to do here with our allies. Well, look, weve seen this Balancing Act all along. And which the biden administration, president has tried to somehow find that magic line, where he could supply ukraine with weapons it needs and wants to wage war to defend its own country without escalating the war beyond its borders to nato countries to a nuclear kind of confrontation. That is the bottom Line Worry for President Biden more than anything else, this becomes World War iii. So each time, the president has withheld weapons and then provided them and it doesnt lead to the escalation he feared and then he should be moving for aggressively and quickly. It is a little different ifn that were now talking about weapons being used against russian territory and for putin that a whole other red line. And so i think there is a debate. The department said theyre against allowing the long range weapons to be used in russian territory because they dont think it will be effective, that the russian air bases that are in question are beyond the range of these weapons anyway. So it would be provocative without accomplishing when the ukrainians want to accomplish. So it is a tough choice here once again for the president. So that meeting is going to happen later in afternoon. In the meantime, andrea, what could you tell us about the british diplomats expelled. This is an ongoing problem for the brits and they are expelling russian diplomats from the u. K. For spying for intelligence operations. So, that is typically as peter well knows, ebb was in the moscow bureau, this is a titfortat. Something that the u. S. Did when they found russian spies here. President obama expelled them. Then the brits expelled people from our embassy in mock ow. John sullivan or Brand Ambassador under Donald Trump and Joe Biden to our embassy in moscow, he barely had a driver to take him places. They didnt have local staff because they kicked so many people from the u. S. Embassy out, even the civilian nonforeign service officers. So this is going to kick off a rise in tension. Of course, this is a new british Prime Minister and a new administration completely in the u. K. And this is their first official meeting later in afternoon in washington. That is surely going to come up. There is also pending action, we understand, against russian propaganda interfering with the elections. Weve heard from the cia, from the director of national intelligence, from the Justice Department and the State Department was expected to take some action against the state owned r. T. Im expecting, im sorry, im expecting to hear more about that when we hear from Antony Blinken. In the meantime, we shouldnt forget, are we a week, ten day as head of the u. N. General assembly and ukraines president said hes going to have a Peace Plan to present to President Biden, to Kamala Harris, to Donald Trump. What do we know about that and how it may fit into the overall situation right now . Yeah, it is a good question. There is not an appetite at this point for negotiations, serious negotiations to end this war no matter what Donald Trump said. Donald trump repeated at this weeks debate that he could end the war in 24 hours simply by getting on the phone with putin and zelenskyy. He said he could end it before he takes office. He could do it before the inauguration. I dont anybody who deals in this stuff that thinks that is true. The ukrainian public is more open to the idea of negotiations at this point. But that doesnt mean theyre ready to give up 20 of their country or what have you. Think 17 to 20 of ukraine under russian occupation. One reason people think that the ukraines went into russian territory was to gain a chip for Bag Anning and if may be there is a time in which that will play out. But Putin Isnt going to negotiate at this point when hes waiting to see what happens in this election. Because he thinks hes going to get a better deal if trump is elected. And so i think theyll be talk of Peace Plan, but in fact, right now, i think there is not the ground, you know, ready for it to be pursued. Peter Baker And Andrea mitchell, thank you both. Up next, the Post Debate take and how much money Kamala Harris has on hand and why it could make a Gamechanging Difference on the trail. Youre watching Chris Jansing reports only on msnbc. Especialln theyre egglands best. Taste so deliciously fresh. With better nutrition, too. We love our eggs any style. As long as theyre the best. Egglands best. Have you always had trouble losing weight as long as theyre the best. And keeping it off . Same. Discover the power of wegovy®. With wegovy®, i lost 35 pounds. And some lost over 46 pounds. And im keeping the weight off. Wegovy® helps you lose weight and keep it off. Im reducing my risk. 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Meantime, on the other side, in a game of inches an that is what this election is, Kamala Harris now has another 47 Million to work with. That is how much her campaign said it took in, in just 24 hours after the debate. And were seeing what some of that money can buy you. The Harris Campaign is using it to Micro Target some pretty narrow constituencies, Which Rolling Out Policies in Battleground States to making a gamble in pennsylvania, michigan and wisconsin that harriss views on ukraine Will Winov votes with Family Ties in eastern europe. You dont need a huge community. As long as you have something that kecks in a deep way, the same way that reproductive issues do. People feel a connection to country that their families immigrates from. Will it make a difference. Julie circin is here and former congressman carlos is back with us and lets understand what were talking about for folks dont know how sophisticated data has become, the harris came didnt randomly decide to focus on voters of eastern european descent. So explain how the voter data bases, how sophisticated they are and what they could tell a campaign and how granular the information is that allows them to do these kinds of things. Oh, it is so interesting. In the Voter File you have information based on biographical information, where people have lived in the community that they vote in, who they voted for, how many times they show up to vote in what elections, whether they be national, local or statewide and using that information, you can target them with specific messaging. So, youre not just working with all of the democratic voters and trying to with a broad message to those voters. You could Micro Target the voters and talk about a specific issue that that Voter Block cares about. So i think this could resonate with people who have those emotional ties to their nation, maybe their grandparents came here from poland or their parents came here from poland. So i think this is really smart. But the other reason why this is smart is because you cant only rely on your base of support. Now youre going to want to mobilize as many people in the democratic base, those reliable voters to early vote. But you also need to bring out people in rural communities, people in the polish community. And close those margins in some of the Redder Parts of state that are purple so that Donald Trump doesnt run away with certain precincts and counties. You want to close those gaps in some of the more Red Parts of the state. And boost turnout in the more blue reliable parts of the state. That is how you build a winning coalition. So it is not just the Harris Campaign that is appealing to the Swing State voters. There is a superpac that is supporting her that put out an ad. Let me play part of that. American president s, republican and democrat, have defied Russias Community dictators and defended american ideals. Kamala harris gets this. If we Stand By while an aggressor invades its neighbor with impunity, they will keep going. Kamala harris will stand up to putin. Protect our allies, and keep us safe. And Shes Name checked poland as a place that would be first threatened in that happened. So how striking, carlos, is it to see them and her lean into what was a Ronald Reagan Playbook . Well, chris, a couple of things. Number one, when you do well in fundraising and clearly she has, you have the resources to be creative and to go outside of what your party has traditionally done which is just focusing on the base of support. This is also a recognition, i think, chris, that democrats have suffered some base erosion. We know from polling that Donald Trump is doing better among hispanics, among african americans, than republicans have typically done in president ial elections. So the Harris Campaign i think is looking for ways to back fill that erosion of the democratic base with groups that Donald Trump has had some success with. And this does make a lot of sense because Donald Trumps position on ukraine has certainly been nuanced, if we want to call it a neutral term, than past republican president s. So harris is going for people who probably in the past have voted for candidates like the bushes and Mitt Romney and john mccain. The last i checked, julie, we have 53 days left. That is it. Until election day. Last i checked, i think harris had 404 Million cash on hand. Tell us more about this major Fund Raising Haul that they raised they say in just 24 hours after the debate. Chris, 47 Million. What is more interesting and notable is that it came from 600,000 individual donors. More than 70 of those donors were women. And when you look at the debate night, one of the strongest moments that harris was able to have against former President Trump was of course having to do with reproductive rights and having to do with abortion and you see that spike come from the group of demographic and certainly when were here in wilkesbarre, pennsylvania, this is not friendly territory for harris. This is place that went to former President Trump in 2020 and you could see harris trying to make the Outreach And Appeal and take the margins away from the former president when youre looking at fundraising number, think it is notable to point out that after his indictments and he had legal troubles his campaign was very quick to point out how much they had in the bank and able to fund raise. This time around, we havent heard anything. And instead you see the former president who were monitoring that Press Conference with, hes doing donor stops, fundraising stops which is again notable in itself given that were 50 some odd days away. But harris Riding A high as she has all week long hoping to maintain the boost from the debate which polls have shown that she clearly won. Well come back to this story. But Antony Blinken Coming Up to the podium at the State Department. Lets listen in. It helps citizens understand the issues and affects and events that are affecting their lives, it empowers them engage meaningful in their communities an their country and the world. When state or nonstate actors spread disinformation, the materials deliberately meant to deceive or divide our public, they attack the very foundations of our free and open society. In march, i laid out the comprehensive steps the administration is taking to address this threat to our national security and to our national fabric. First, were building a more resilient global information system. Where objective facts are elevated and deceptive messages gain less traction. Were doing that by promoting policies and programs that protect a free, vibrant and independent press and that Foster Greater Civic so people could better distinguish fact from fiction. Second, were working to expose, to disrupt, to deter this information. To the State Department global engagement center, were coordinating government wide and with other countries to identify, to analyze, to uncover attempts by governments and nonstate actors to manipulate information. Third, were taking steps to hold accountable those who weaponize this information to underminor democracy. That is what we did just last week and State Department and the Justice Department and the Treasury Department and the fbi took a series of coordinated actions to counter russian Influence And Interference in our elections and in our democracy. In addition to imposing sanctions, visaa restrictions and others, they directed Media Company and five of its subsidiaries including r. T. , or the foreign missions act, as a result these actors are now required to notify the State Department of all personnel working in the united states, as well as their property. We took these steps based on our conclusion that these five subsidiaries are no longer merely fire hoses of russian propaganda. They are engaged in undermining american elections and democracies, functioning like a Defact Or Arm of russias intelligence apparatus. These Kremlin Backed Media outlets are playing a role to undermine democracy in the united states, but also to meddle in the sovereign affairs of countries around the world. Thanks to new information, much of what originates from r. T. Employees, we know they possess cyber capabilities an engaged in covert information and military procurement. As part of r. T. Expanded capabilities sh the russian government embedded within r. T. , a unit with cyber capabilities and ties to russian intelligence, r. T. Leadership had direct willing knowledge of this enterprise. Russian government actors incorporated the cyber capabilities of this unit in the spring of 2023. Which is focused on Covert Influence operations around the world. Under the cover of r. T. , information produced through this unit flows to russian intelligence services, russian Media Outlets, russian mercenary groups and other State And Proxy arms of the russian government. One of the projects is a large online Crowd Funding Program in russia. Operating within r. T. And through Social Media channels, to provide support and military equipment and supplies and weaponry to Russian Military Un Ipts in ukraine. This includes sniper rifles, suppressors and Body Armor Arks Night Vision equipment, drones, video equipment, diesel generators. While the Crowd Funding is out in the open, what is hidden is that this program is administered by the leaders of r. T. Last week, our government revealed how r. T. Launders information through Unwitting Americans to disseminate kremlin produced content to the american public. Today we are exposing how russia deployed similar tactics around the world. In germany, r. T. Runs the English Language platform red, a successor to the red fish. R. T. Secretly runs African Stream, across a wide range of Social Media platforms. Now according to the outlet website, African Stream is a pan african Media Organization based on Social Media platforms focusing on giving a voice to all africans both at home and abroad. In reality, the only voice it gives is to kremlin propaganda. R. T. s capabilities allow it to deepen coordination with additional russian intelligence services as they work to manipulate the outcome of the democratic elections in the united states, but also around the world. For Years R. T. And his employees have coordinated with the kremlin to influence muld Ova Legss and including the 2024 president ial election. Rt has media platforms to attempt unrest, likely with the aim of causing protests to turn violent. We believe r. T. Will learn its expanded capabilities to corridor with russian intelligence services to try to manipulate the outcome of the moldova upcoming election. As a result of the findings were imposing sanctions on three entities and two individuals, including interference in moldovas upcoming elections. The actions were exposed today and last week do not incorporate the full scope of russias efforts to undermine democracies. Far from it. Russia Weaponization And Disinformation to subvert and polarize and free and open societies extends to every part of the world. In response, today, the united states, the united kingdom and canada are launching a joint diplomatic campaign to rally allies and partners around the world to join us in addressing the threat proposed by r. T. And other russian information of Covert Influence. Under the Intelligence Diplomacy has become a hallmark of our administration. Ive instructed u. S. Diplomats around the world to share the evident that we gathered on r. T. Expanding capabilities an the way it is being used to target countries and the Info System that we share. Now, each government of course is going to decide how it responds to this threat. But he urge every ally, every partner to start by treating r. T. Activities like they do with russia within their borders. Now let me be very clear. The united states respects and Champions Freedom of expression. Even when it comes to Media Outlets that wittingly spread Government Propaganda and well continue to lead the world in promoting media freedom, about you we will not Stand By as r. T. And other actors carry out Covert Activities in support of russias nefarious activities. And well continue to well continue to listen to the Secretary Of State. But this comes on the heels of the united states just last week indicting two employees of r. T. , the russian backed media. For similar things to what you hear him talking about. Covert operations that he said are meant to spread misinformation and are spreading disinformation to undermine elections here and elsewhere in the world. I want to bring in andrea mitchell. You could go back several president ial cycles and we know that the impact that misinformation, disinformation from russia has had. What is it that the State Department and the biden administration right now is prioritizing . We just said moments ago with just 53 days left until the election. Well, first of all, publicizing this and letting people around the world what russia is allegedly do, misinformation, disinformation. Covert activities, working with russian intelligence services. So theyre not journalists. Their working with the intel services, the spies and procuring weapons and for ukraine covertly. So hes saying they are trying to underminor election and also election in moldova in 2024 and elsewhere around the world looking in south America And Europe and asia and elsewhere. They are not going to kick the socalled journalists out, because were not trying to crack down on this administration against legitimate reporting. But they are taking steps legally against r. T. And these specific journalists and also at the allies to take steps as well. It is a red light blinking, you know. A light a Warning Sign blinking red and trying to do something about it. But they dont have all of the tools that they really need. Other than sanctions and russia has already been sanctioned so heavily. And has evaded a lot of the sanctions as you well know. Andrea mitchell, thank you so much. We just heard, say that that he saw evan gershkovich, the reporter being held in russia and tied under false charges with united states, what he and the Wall Street Journal all dismiss as trumped up charges and he said it feels wonderful to see him home where he belongs. So, well continue to listen if any news comes out of that Press Conference from Antony Blinken. But Coming Up, former President Trumps legal team claiming victory in georgia. But the case there is still moving forward. Well explain. Plus, why the d. A. At the center of that case was a noshow at her own hearing today. Plan at plan if you have medicare and medicaid, you may be able to get extra benefits, too, through a Humana Medicare Advantage dualeligible special Needs Plan. 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Get the rest to be your best with nonhabit forming zzzquil. Today some major developments in former President Trumps Georgia Election Interference case. Fulton County District Attorney fannie willis, who brought the charges against trump and his allies, defying a pair of subpoenas and skipping a hearing before the gop led State Senate Committee that is investigating her. Meanwhile Judge Scott Mcafee has thrown out two of the ten charges against trump. Saying that the criminal conduct described lies beyond the states jurisdiction. Joining me now, someone who knows the system well, lisa redman, former Deputy District Attorney and an msnbc legal analyst. Also with me, legal correspondent here at correspondent here at msnbc lisa rubin. Walk us through what this means for the Racketeering Case now that the judge has struck down a couple of these charges against trump. The number keeps changing, but he was at ten, now hes at eight. Thats right. He started at 13, couple were struck, then he was at 10, now he is at 8. I think the most important thing for people to understand is the most important charge, the Rico Charge itself, still remains in place. The charges that were sort of taken out of this indictment have to do with false filings of information to a Federal Court. Judge Scott Mcafee of the Fulton Superior Court was making the Decision Yesterday that federal jurisdiction was more appropriate than State Court Jurisdiction given that the misrepresentations, the false filings, were made inside a Federal Court. He is not passing judgment on the conduct itself. Hes merely saying under the Supremacy Clause a Federal Court should deal with this, not us in georgia. Melissa, this case has been on hold since june while an Appeals Court decide whether to discall few willis over her disqualify willis over her relationship with a top deputy. What do you think it means for the timeline of when we might see this case . I think what it means mostly is that Judge Mcafee is willing and ready to continue to move the case forward. The fact that he is continuing to work on the motions filed by the defendants who are not subject to the state issued by the Court Of Appeals tells us that as soon as this case gets back to him we can expect to move for him to move to as quickly as he can. So lisa, in addition, we mentioned that Fani Willis has decided to skip a subpoena, essentially skip out on a subpoena that was brought by republicans on the state senate. What happens now, and could this mean anything for the case itself . I want to go back to the origins of your question and push back on that. I dont think its necessarily fair to say she defied a subpoena because Fani Willis filed a motion to quash that subpoena saying the subpoena itself was not valid or everforcible. Mull enforceable. Multiple judges recused themselves from hearing the motion, as a result it was not resolved before todays hearing. Fani willis, had she shown up, would have waived any and all objections she had to the validity of the subpoena. She was not required then to be there today because that had not been all right. Correct. Her argument is the subpoena itself is not valid, therefore im not defying anything because if a Court Leader finds that this subpoena was not enforceable, was not legitimately issued, there was nothing for me to comply with in the first place. I think whatever happens with this, melissa, legal experts say this is uncharted territory. And talk about the stakes. Part of this is that the committee wants to see a lot of her personal communication regarding her relationship with nathan wade. It includes every email, every text between them over the last five years, accounting for gifts, money, items of value they might have given to each other. And then even any communications with doj or the White House. So how important could this be if this is indeed unprecedented to see what ultimately happens here . So one of the main issues is whether or not the Senate Committee is entitled to this information. Of course they have the power to investigate, the state legislature, the House And Senate have the ability to subpoena, but does this particular committee given the way it was formed. And then is the subpoena valid for the purpose that this committee was formed. So the Committee Reports to have to decide whether there need to be legislature to oversee how State Prosecutors used the Grand Juries and special prosecutors. Those were the two things theyre supposed to be looking at. So how her emails between they Cant Discipline her or disbar her or do anything about whats already occurred. The argument could be that how was any of this information relevant to the purpose of this committee, and whether this particular committee has the power to issue those subpoenas. I think its an argument that theyre overreaching in the information that theyre asking for. The purpose of the committee can be fulfilled by the information they already have, and information is publicly available. Weve been saying for months this case, other cases, theyre not going to trial before the election. Of course now we are so close, less than two months away. But does anybody know anything about when any of these cases might see the light of day . Yes and no. On december 5th, the Georgia Court of appeals will hear Donald Trump and other Defendants Appeal of Judge Mcafees decision to let Fani Willis remain on the case. That appeal could have been heard in september, but ultimately it was pushed all the way to december. So Judge Scott Mcafee wont be able to resume most of his work on the case at least until that point in time. And depending on what the court decides, that could go to the georgia supreme court. Thank you so much. Lisa, melissa, appreciate it very much. 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