And in the other corner are republicans too cowardly to admit it. Let's start with dick cheney who made shock waves when he said he would vote for kamala harris over donald trump. He justified his support saying in our nation's 248 year history there has never been an individual who is a greater threat to our republic than donald trump. He can never be trusted with power again. Cheney of course joined the ranks of notable republicans who have vowed to support harris just like his daughter liz cheney and adam kinsingger. Republicanswho dare speak out against trump have been ostracized. That is why moderate republicans are hoping trump loses and loses big. Some of the republicans wishing for a trump loss include long standing gop figures throughout the nation who bleed red and wouldn't dare to say this publicly but who are more than ready to move on from the trump era. One conservative lawmaker told politico there is a lot of anxiety about what trump does to republican ability to win in 2028 and what he also may do to the party in terms of policy long term. So jonathan martin who spoke with these republicans floats another option making the round. Speed up the expresident's departure from the scene with a trump win so he can only serve one more term and be done for certain in 2028. Now, there are a few problems with this hopeful if not delusional way of thinking. First, if he loses there is nothing to suggest he won't run again for a fourth term in 2028 with the support of his massive maga base, but secondly, even if he wins and term limits determine he step aside four years from now, you can't simply move on from the version of the party that he has transformed in his image. Something that has taken years to do. So turning the page on the era requires more than trump failing to get an electoral vote majority. Turning the page on the energy trump leveraged is trickier. With me, jason staley. How fascists rewrite the past to control the future. And also, michelle goldberg is with us. You have written about fascism and how fascism doesn't go away easily. Some argue we are on the cusp of fascism and one of the problems with the logic is assuming he winning is based on the fact you would think after four years he leaves when he has given us every indication this will be the last election for president in this country if he wins. That's right. So this whole for certain gone by 2028 is absurd. When i'm in ukraine, ukrainians tell me it is not just putin. It is the russian people. And i feel something as similar here. It is not just trump. It's the republican party. The republican party has an authoritarianism problem. There are politicians in the republican party who now have seen you can transform america into an autocracy and they might be the ones to do it. That's why they attack vote voting and say america is not a democracy. When people think of dictators they think of maybe north korea or iraq. But there are these hybrid authoritarian dictatorships that have emerged we have learned from. Places like turkey, hungary. And that could be more of what american authoritarianism under donald trump looks like. Certainly. And the gop loves viktor orban. They invite him to events and celebrate him. But the gop is so far, they lost dick cheney. Fabricating weapons of mass destruction. This guy is a bridge too far. Doesn't matter if trump goes or wins or loses. These guys are outliers. The gop is dead. It should rename itself. They are gone. Trump should change it to the trump party. Come on. It is his win that day. Never had a political party like this in the modern era. It is an autocratic party. A fascist party. How can republicans move away from trump when as dean was saying that trumpism is now so infused in their party with their culture that it is just impossible to separate the two? there is no republican party beyond trump? so i'm not convinced he is going to be the candidate in 2028. You think there is a moment at which a desperation to win sets in. Whether it's a majority of the party, i can't say. But i think the party would be transformed by a loss against the candidate that they regard as imminently beatle. Beatable. Trump is showing the religious right, leaders of the religious right who are very unhappy with his rhetorical shifting language on abortion, they are threatening. There will be a problem with energy and turnout. I don't necessarily think that is true. And i think they don't have the kind of polls on the voters. If trump loses, they would have an incentive to spin it as he didn't motivate the base and from now on, we need candidates who double down on the party's commitment to banning abortion. I think michelle is making a smart nuanced argument. My only issue is they are a lot of cowards in the republican party not willing to stand up to trump now. They are not going to be like you lost a few times. It will take some kind of change in the culture of the republican party to stand up to this phenomenon. Another person will come in and replace trump with the same culture of fear and intimidation. Donald trump jr. Right. When you think about that, though, the role he has assumed within the party, a huge advocate for jd vance to get the vice presidential nod. Trump's daughterinlaw is now heading the rnc. So the nepotism, the coopting of the republican party. The heir apparent emerges and takes over. Given that trump has already been president, everything is possible. We have a party that is entirely designed, a personalist party designed around one person. And of course, the situation with that is what happens when that person goes? so, presumably, some other person emerged to play that role. That is why you have democracy to avoid the replacement of the leader. Potentially if trump loses you are arguing that he would be cast aside? some republicans would say you are not winning, you have been losing now several times but would that just mean the next iteration of trumpism whether it is a jd vance, maybe not a desantis, because he lost this round, but certainly a don jr. Maybe a hard core trumpet? i think if we had to guess. That's the one place where there is some tension in the party. Trump has such a charismatic hold over the voters that he can get away with deviations from the ideology of some of the party's activists. I think that will be the scapegoat if he loses. If the vice president kamala harris wins the presidency, becomes again, a history making president as the first woman, that would also unleash a very dark chapter in america. Let's be honest. Look, this gop, it's not about policy. And we know, everyone on this panel knows it. It is not taking america back to a time before the civil rights act. Before the voting rights act. That is what trump was promising. Even in the debate on tuesday. Do you want to go back to the time of white power, or do you want to be a multiracial democracy going forward? we live in the real world. This election decide it is future. Are we going backwards, further right, forward with a nation that is multiracial democracy? please stick around. We have a lot more to get to. We want to share with you breaking news we are getting this hour coming out of kentucky. There are reports of another active shooter situation on interstate 75 in laurel county. That is just north of the city of london. 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Prosecutors, he was actually duped into being a kremlin mouthpiece. A bomb shell indictment this week alleged that a media company linked to six conservative influencers including poole was secretly funded by russian state media employees to churn out english language videoers. They are accuse of laundering money to fund a con ten creation company. That company now identified as tenant media took the money and commissioned people like poole to make videos like the one we just showed you. Paying them up to $100,000 per video. They were paid to make videos with subject matter with amplifying divisions. Joining me now to discuss this is clint watts, msnbc national security analyst and author of messing with the enemy. The influencers say they were unaware of the motivations of the company that was paying them. But this supposed covert operation to get influencers to peddle russian propaganda was thinly veiled. Russia was so brazen here. Hey, let's just pay these influencers as much as we can to tell them, to say what we want them to say. Eight years ago, they could pose as americans on social media. Today they just can't do that. And we have seen that with my team just in several different ways. They need to get a u. S. Audience. They can't do it. Now how do they do it when rt has been sanctioned. They just, the lines they were reading are exactly what you would hear if you were listening to vladimir putin talk on any given day. You know, what is important about this, it is really three parts. After the russians invaded ukraine, still up to a lot of activity and do a lot of covert activity, that goes to the second part. This is the following group of the kgb that vladimir putin worked for setting up a cyber group that posed as if it was doing cyber attacks but really just trying to scare audiences and a third part which is a group known as doppelgdnger which mimics real news outlets. It could be msnbc, bbc, whatever it is around the world. They take fake stories and put real logos on them. A sweeping number of indictments. It is also, it is quite remarkable when you think of how the threat matrix is changing. What has not changed since 2016 is this clear intent by russia to meddle in our affairs. That is indisputable. And here is the interesting thing. After this indictment calm down, putin couldn't help himself. Watch this. If we can name a favorite candidate, it used to be joe biden. That is what we are going to do. He made a sound that donald trump was tough on russia. His preference was he wanted vice president harris to win because donald trump was just too harsh on vladimir putin with the sanctions. What does this say? it is denial and deception. It is always about pushing one thing in one direction. When you are going in another. So, any time you hear we saw it with the invasion of ukraine in 2022. What is remarkable is the intent is constant. 2016, 2024, there was one constant. Creating a policy shift. Winning through the force of politics one thing they are are struggling with is video. If there is any shift. Nobody reads tweets or looks at facebook posts now and gets duped in the same way. What do you do if you are the russian troll farm? you have to hire somebody to do it or make some preposterous videos. They are not landing the same way. So hats off to the u. S. Government for what they did this round. We have about 45 seconds left. How is their capability different than russia? can the u. S. Government be suitably prepared? the big change is equally likely i think between now and election day to beat russia or iran if there is an aggressive interference effort come voting day. The reason is, they are smaller, but they are much more aggressive and they use cyber attacks and leak operations. The way we have seen the russians do, they don't endure the way we see with social media. So we should be very careful. 50/50 chance it is iran versus russia. And it could be either one. And they are pursuing similar objectives in some cases and different policies and candidates in others. Clint, thank you so much. It is great to get your insight on this important conversation. We will continue to watch up until the election. Up next, a closer look at the life of an american activist who was shot to death in the occupied west bank. In the occupied west bank. Osed with hiv, i didn't know who i would be. But here i am. . . Being me. Keep being you. . . And ask your healthcare provider about the number one prescribed hiv treatment, biktarvy. Biktarvy is a complete, onepill, onceaday treatment used for hiv in many people whether you're 18 or 80. 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She was volunteering with the israeli and the israeli army shot and killed her. The biden administration said it was deeply disturbed by her death and contacted the israeli government to investigate the incident. Of course, this is a pattern we have seen the past 11 months. The u. S. Demands answers from israel. In a statement, they said given the circumstances of her killing, this is not adequate. The u. N. Is calling for a full investigation. Aysenur was involved in the palestinian protest at her school, the university of washington. And was described by her family as a fiercely passionate human rights activist. Thank you for making time for us. This must be an extremely difficult time for you and friends and family. But tell us what kind of person she was. And how you learned about her death. Yeah. There are so many i think beautiful ways to describe her. One of the warmest kindest people i have ever met the family's statement said it best. She wore her heart on a sleeve. She was a loving person. She always wanted to take care of others. And there is no better way to describe her than how her familys ha stated in their statement. Maybe there are too many words. Do you know how much information her family is receiving from the u. S. Government at this moment? and whether they are receiving adequate information? so i can't speak for the families but i do know they are in contact with the consulate in jerusalem. Let's talk about her activism. You said she wore her heart on her sleeve her presence and spirit was felt at the university of washington. Was she an experienced activist? did she know the risk of traveling to the west bank? what motivated her to go there? amid the protests? she had a long history of activism. My experience with her, she was really considerate with how she encouraged people to grow. Really important. When it comes to this, i think the better point is that there is a rift in the west bank because of the israeli military. She was standing firm in a long tradition of peaceful foreign observers volunteering in the west bank. Protesting against israeli settlements in the israeli military. Yeah. It lies with the violence they pursue in the west bank and in gaza. You told the new york times that she would have wanted to emphasize her death was only one of many stemming from the conflict. At your university's encampment she was always reminding us that this was the palestinian story. What do you think she would have wanted the world and the u. S. To know about what and why she was there on the ground? yeah. I think it is important she was there to be a pro palestine activist. And that she stood firm in her beliefs. I want to talk about who she was as a person and who we lost. We lost an american who was a staunch human rights activist. An american who wanted the best for our communities, marginalized here and abroad who stood in solidarity with in different groups and organized in many different ways to ensure all marginalized people could be liberated. That's the person she was. The beautiful human we lost she can't tell us at this time what she would have wanted them to know. I know what the family and i want. The family and i want the u. S. To lead an investigation. The family said it best in their statement when they called on president biden and vice president harris and secretary of state antony blinken to order an independent investigation into this unlawful killing and ensure accountability is found for the guilty parties and that is what we are looking for right now. I know this is an extremely difficult time for you. I greatly appreciate you joining us. I'm so sorry for the loss of your friend. Thank you very much. We'll be right back after a quick break. Quick break. 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Mark robinson was a loyal customer. Extremely loyal. Coming in as often as five nights a week to watch porn in a private booth in the 90s and early 2000. His campaign denied the reports but this is a man who said he was saved by the evangelical church. Committing his life to jesus back in the 80s. Before he reportedly frequented the porn shop. The man who has weaponnized the word pornography to describe everything from music and network television to lgbtq themed children's book. My panel is back with me. Before we get to everyone's pick, there's a lot to unpack here. Jason, what did you make of tucker platforming somebody like darryl cooper and pushing the boundaries of the conversation around holocaust denial and the kind of retelling of world war ii. This should be able to challenge the ideas and debate them. So seven of my great uncles were murdered. And my great grandmother as well. So both my parents are refugees from nazi germany and poland. This is a bit personal to me but it is inevitable this would happen. The structure of naziism. Globalists are the agents. We don't mention them. You mention we had all this antisemitic framing. So of course they will say who had this ideology and they will whitewash that. Not everyone was turned offer by it. Jd vance suggested it was, we should be able to have a challenging debate. Jd vance will be joining in for a live event later this month in pennsylvania. Not daryl cooper. Look. Tucker carlson had a bigger platform like fox news he would be mainstreaming this the same way he did the great replacement theory. He brought that to the forefront. This guy really is a white supremacist. He is out there sharing the hate. Jd vance understands the only way to win is the neonazis, the white supremacists. Literally nazis. They fabricated tweets saying i was involved in terrorism. About how donald trump refuses to denounce white supremacy. The point was i was going to make it clear. Why are you doing this show if you have $4 million? i don't have any money. That's not the point. They are still bringing into the mainstream. That's what's going on. Tucker carlson is somebody who is sitting in the box at the rnc. This is not a fringe voice on the outskirts of republican or conservative media out lets. It is safe to say he consults with, talks to the upper echelon of the republican party. Here he is peddling in this kind of nazi revisionism. First of all, it is not, though he no longer has a show on fox, he has an enormous platform. The most popular podcast in the united states. Donald trump jr. Is going to be a guest. He is plugged in to the highest levels of the republican party. It is important to understand what he tries to whitewash or minimize the holocaust, it is not just about rewriting the past. It is about changing what is thinkable in the present. They talk our abhorrence of naziism structures american society. It is part of, one of the things that, one of the shared assumptions until very recently. A shared assumption underherding most liberal democracies. And the reason that thaw want to erode that shared assumption is so that that kind of fascism is unthinkable. Donald trump's plan to build a network of detention camps becomes more thinkable. Mark robinson, the guy might like porn, fine. The issue is hypocrisy. He was running a child care center with his wife allegedly at the same time he was visiting the video stores so what do you make of that hypocrisy? i don't care about mark robinson's porn consumption. I do think that mark robinson's history of antisemitism is really, really important and goes to show the bad faith of the republican party. That makes them antisemites. Running for governor of north carolina, someone saying things that are unabashedly antisemitic. What do you have in worst of the week? tucker or robinson? tucker. Tucker clansman. 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Everyone demands he stops playing their music at his rallies. But the gop has one wild card up its sleeve to give trump the star power he needs. Enter laura trump herself. [ singing ] so i guess the official message is vote trump or we will torture you with more laura trump songs. Who needs a taylor swift endorsement when you have laura trump in your back pocket. She is so bad he will not play her at the rallies. I played that song and all the dogs and cats in my building were screaming. It was unbelievable. It's like an snl sketch. It's worth pointing out the song is called hero meant to honor law enforcement members of the country. Yet the capitol police who were beaten to an inch of their lives on january 6th are potentially being considered for a pardon by her fatherin law. Hypocrisy is not a new thing in this current political moment. This reminded me of vladimir putin's hockey video. Where he sakes on the russian nhl allstar. So what is what is happening here i think. It is remarkable the fact they have no shame. That they are just willing to roll her out. We are always so surprised there is at layer to this. That they will push this out while he is head of the rnc is remarkable. It is amazing and it is amazing, the entire family, we talk about imposter syndrome. Everyone else in the world would have imposter syndrome. Having no political qualifications. And the fact is they are imposters and they have, and they kind of are completely unaware of it. The level. It speaks to the level of delusion. I want to know what is it that makes trump's kids so confidence? how do you get the confidence of a trump kid to be in this world when you have zero ability and have no shame? this is the old problem with monarchy. It is a familiar structure. Princes and princesses didn't have a problem with self confidence. We are heros for listening to that song. People should hear you sing. Yeah. Come on. Calm down. Thanker you to the three of you. Greatly appreciate your time. Before we go, though, we want to give you a quick update on the breaking news out of kentucky. An active shooter situation is underway in laurel county north of the city of london. Numerous people have been shot. The suspect is still on the run as we understand it. That suspect, 32yearold joseph a. Couch is considered armed and dangerous. People in the area are urged to stay inside according to local police officials. A portion of i75 is being closed in both directions. We will follow this story and let you know as it develops. Thank you for making time for us, come back tomorrow at 7:00 p. M. Eastern. We will speak to steven richard. The recorder of the maricopa county arizona. He is fighting a lawsuit from steven miller's legal group that claimed they are failing to keep noncitizens from voting in november. Until then, i'm ayman mohyeldin. Have a good night. Mohyeldin. Have a good night. Pfizer's pneumococcal pneumonia vaccine. So am i. 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