Let's get some of the conversations you might have missed. Some new polling to begin this hour. Vice president, kamala harris, and former president, donald trump, are essentially tied in every sunbelt swing state. According to be a latest, fox news polling, harris leads trump by registered voters in arizona and two points in both georgia and nevada. Trump, meanwhile, leads by a single point in north carolina. All of those results, we should make clear, are within the margin of error. But there are some trendlines here. In previous fox polls conducted before president, joe biden, exited the race, trump led by five points in arizona and nevada and north carolina and by six in georgia. So, charlie, we apply all of the usual caveats, pools are just a snapshot in time, we are two months before the election, but the trendlines do matter. And the path to 270 electoral votes matter and this polling suggests that, with the sunbelt back and play, harris has got options? yeah. I mean, obviously the map has changed, and there are a couple of things about those polls that strike me. Number one of course, is the trend line, which of course is obvious, but also, i think that we need to keep in mind that a lot of these pools are based on what a lot of the electorates will look like. Well, what if kamala harris is changing the electorate? what if, in fact, the we talk about the enthusiasm behind this campaign that is showing up is actually going to be changing the balance of the electorate. So, i think this is obviously good news for the harris campaign. I am not sure that it completely encapsulates what is going on, however, having said that, we need to go back with a caveat that, given the margin of error, all of these states are, in fact, tied, but it feels a lot like the trend we saw with the national polls and the way these swing states are breaking, but what a dramatic change from just 30, 40 days ago. We have completely reshaped the campaign. Obviously the president is bringing back democratic voters. These polls don't suggest that trump is losing support, but rather, harris is gaining support, whether it be young voters, voters of color, that had cooled on joe biden, now seem to be reembracing her, and we are seeing on this bus tour in georgia, places, rural areas, where democrats don't normally trip. The last time a democrat was in the area that vice president harris and governor walz campaigned in yesterday and today, was actually 1992. So, just think about that, we are talking bill clinton. And obviously, he was successful in his quest for the presidency. Look, i think the polls are i'm going to keep saying this, they are not predictive, they are indicative of a snapshot in time of where the electorate is an how they feel. I think this is also like 2016, but in the sense that there were voters in 2016 that didn't want to sell posters that they were supporting donald trump, given all of the things that he had been saying as of late though, the polls before election day show that secretary clinton was well ahead of donald trump. I do think that some of that could be showing up here as well. But that is why a turnout election is going to be key, it's turning out the base, putting together that kamala harris coalition, which is based on democratic voters, but is going to include some moderate republican and independent voters are going to be critical in the places across the country, so, georgia, north carolina, arizona, running down the closing the margins up in some of these rural areas not necessarily winning them, but doing what obama did in 2008, which brought him a win, again, very close margin in rural places where they weren't expecting to do well. And also in this poll, we are showing some real impact of some down ballot races. Arizona. Here we go. 56 present. Opened up a 15 point lead. Nevada. Jackie rosen, 55%, brown at 41. And in the north carolina governor race, josh stein, the democrat had 54%, while mark robinson, deeply problematic republican candidate, holocaust denier, we should note was at 43%. So, you know, this is certainly encouraging to democrats and, for a while, as you well know, we have a phenomenon, where democrats down ballot were running well ahead of where president biden was, now harris is certainly gotten closer, but we are still seeing the senate and in that case they are racing. Those numbers are silly, 15 percentage points, 14 percentage point for democrats in the senate race did i do my math right? yeah, i did my math right. Yeah, i think that is not going to happen. Maybe i am wrong, but it seems like those are historically large margins for this senate race. Especially in nevada, where we were a very close date. It does suggest, and i like molly's take on this that there is some latent democratic bowie that maybe harris hasn't tapped into, and additionally i actually am less interested in the snapshot polls and more interested in voter registration data, and i don't know if molly has that on hand, but that seems to be what would be the real tell. Like if people are excited, yeah, they are more invested in voting for kamala harris or jacky rosen or someone, but really if they have the energy to wherewithal and register to vote. That is where we actually get the data to tell us some foreshadowing of what might actually happen. Yeah. I mean, this top of the ticket, versus down ballot has been sort of baffling to me for a long time, because this is not new right? we have seen with all of these races, you know, biden and harris now, with these, you know, harris has a bigger lead, two, three points, but biden would have a sort of even match, but you go down the ticket and you have a democratic candidate winning by 10 points, 11 points. Now, if you look at previous election cycles, right? we have seen in these high turnout elections, democrats have crushed it, even in red states, right? these ballot initiatives, which are technically not part partisan, but have become partisan have done really well, so i think it is an interesting metric, and look, maybe they are right. Who knows? because the reality is none of us know right? we are trying to pull this shifting electorate that showed up for trump in 2016 that shows up for trump in 2020 and doesn't drop in 2022 right? this is a very hard metric and i have asked pollsters before, like why are you getting such different numbers at the bottom of the ticket on the top of the ticket? because there is a sense that, perhaps they are doing some math to try to poll the shifting electorate that is either incorrect or just you would have to have people leave the top of the ticket blank or you would have to have these kind of trump voters, i don't think there's a lot of them. That's a good point that trump now, in two different presidential presidential elections has turned out voters that pulls missed. And the polls are inherently flawed in recent cycles it we have to keep that in mind. There does need to be, undeniably, some momentum there for the democrats and also, on that, here is now fox need news chief political anchor reacting to his own network's polling yesterday with a close eye on one state in particular. Georgia, georgia remains, it was the closest contest in 2020 , decided by less than a quarter of a percentage point in favor of president biden, our recent pulling show the whitest gap, six points for former president trump over president biden, but now that has closed. Harris has a two point lead in our latest poll. Is expected to be a close race. That is obviously within the margin of error, but both candidates are spending a lot of time in georgia, and if that lead holds, she wins georgia, she wins the presidency of the united states. As you might imagine, at least trump's camping put out a statement calling that pull atrocious. It is really ironic, because they know fox news can poll and they poll well. They have respectable polls. 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It is challenging to understand how he is supposed to appeal to a general electorate get there are people that want what donald trump and vic jd vance are selling. Welcome back welcome back to morning joe weekend. Let's pick back up on the conversation we were just having before the break. Let's shift gears here, charlie, you have a new piece for the atlantic, with the title, trump dishonors fallen soldiers again. And in it, you write, in part this. On monday, donald trump visited the sacred ground of our arlington national cemetery, where were dead and buried and he posed for photos and the strangest of those pictures, the former president is smiling, giving a thumbs up by the grave of a marine. It is the image of a man who has no idea how to behave around fallen heroes. The event was supposed to be respectful and private. According to a press pull note, the families of the troops had asked that there be no media coverage in the area where the service members were buried, but trump seems to have other ideas. It is hard to see trump's visit as anything other than a campaign to to court the military vote. By now, trump has used the military as a prop for his own and should surprise no one, despite his vigorous avoidance of military service, trump has a long history of denigrating the service of others, even as 44 monday's wreathlaying at arlington was, in part, trump's attempt to clean up the mess he has created and to establish some credibility as a champion of men and women in arms. But in the end, it merely serves to remind americans how little he understands about service, sacrifice, and heroism. And charlie, let's get you to expand upon that. We were taking you through, earlier in the show, the long list of times where donald trump, has, indeed, denigrated the service of others, including those who have given their lives for the country, and as you see it, he did it again this week? well, this is the great paradox of donald trump. His own record of nonservice is, of course, well documented, but so is this long record of denigrating the service of others, and he is content, and yet he continues to wrap himself as a champion of the military, and many veterans seem to think that he is, that he is an ally of the military, but you walk through, you know, you look at this picture that you are showing right now, there is something deeply unnatural about this. Who poses, posing with a thumbs up, in front of the grave of a fallen soldier? who does that? somebody who, frankly, just does not understand what the sacrifice means. And you go back through, whether it is the it is the attack on john mccain for being a p. O. W. , or his suggestion at one point, that he did not want the disabled veterans to be an independent state military day parade, because it would make him look bad, or his comments to the former chief of staff, retired general, john kelly, when they went to arlington, in 2017, and they are standing next to john kelly's son, robert, was the lieutenant, killed in afghanistan, and donald trump said to general kelly, i don't understand what why they do this, what is in it for them? or when he refused to go to the military cemetery in france, calling them losers and suckers. And for people who have been around donald trump, this continues to be shocking that someone, who is the commander in chief just doesn't not seem, at some core of his being does not seem to understand why people give their lives for their country. And again, cognitive dissonance dissonance. You have this man who wants to be thought of america first, usa, the defender of american strength. And yet, when it comes down to it, time and again, whether it is goldstar families, whether it is medal of honor winners, there's something broken in donald trump that makes him impossible for him to understand that kind of sacrifice and heroism. Certainly. Well said. And, as the campaigns often does, they are, indeed doubling down over what happened there, they are refusing to assert any responsibility, and trump's running mate, jd vance, is doing the same on a different matter. After newly unearthed comments show in criticizing the president of the american federation of teachers for not having children. Let's take a look at man's's original remarks back in 2021, followed by his new comments, yesterday. So many leaders of the left and i hate to be so personal about this, but they are people without kids trying to brainwash the minds of our children. And that really disoriented me and it really disturbs me. Randi weingarten, the head of the most powerful teacher's union in the country, she does have a single child. If she wants to brainwash and destroy the minds of children, she should have some of her own and leave ours alone. You think that childless adults can serve in leadership positions? and and why is not having kids like family. Absolutely i do. Look, my kids go to a catholic school, there are a lot of catholic nuns and people who aren't catholic who don't have kids were great people. And certainly we think they can be leaders in society. If you look at the actual thing that i said, again, first of all, kamala harris is trying to resurface the cat lady thing, because they don't have an actual campaign to run on and they are terrified of the media, because they are putting these hits out there. I said the leaders on the left and i didn't criticize randi weingarten for having kids, criticized her for wanting to brainwash mine, and that is exactly what she has done, using her leadership for mask mandates to all of the worst stuff in schools. I just said if she wants to brainwash anybody's kids, she has got to leave mine alone and have some her own. She read in a statement yesterday, writing, it sure seems like vance lacks the empathy jean. Thank goodness he is not a teacher. He doesn't get that you don't have to be a parents to care about kids, our neighbors, our communities and our country. This, of course, is not the first time vance has criticized families without children. Last month he went viral for comments, where he called democrats, including vice president harris, cat ladies for not having biological children of their own. And symone, he simply seems to be dating himself a deeper and deeper hole and risking alienating well, i don't know, half of the country. Literally everyone. People with cats, people without cats, people without children, people with children, teachers, like, you could just go down the line. You know, there are multiple things that jd vance is doing here right? i think, first what he is doing is he is trying to other he's trying to paint a picture of the other for people who are democrats or a part of the left right? in this country, for the base members of the republican party apparatus, and if you other someone it is very easy for folks to then believe and treat them less than human, because you have other to them. When you do not see someone's humanity, when you don't speak to someone about as though they are a fellow human being, such as yourself, this language that we are from donald trump often that talks very negatively and poorly about people and goes to the very heart of who we are as american citizens, it is easy to a spouse, but i think the second thing he's doing is something quite more sinister. There is a movement on within the republican party apparatus that says women, specifically, they are there to birth children. I mean, you look at the south carolina state legislature, when they were debating some of the most recent bills, their abortion pills and legislators went to the floor, male legislators by the way, and said that, yes, women are here, i understand that, you know, women can die, but they are here to give children. This is what many of them believe and it sounds like that is what jd vance believes this is a bad strategy, because it doesn't speak to partisan language when you are talking about women and children and people within this way. This is anyone regardless of who you voted for in the last election, and it is not smart, and i am just tired of hearing it. I am tired of hearing it. It is offensive, i continue to believe, it is insane, and jd vance is going to have to answer for his comments, that is the ticket and that is how this works. 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It enjoys immunity, it doesn't enjoy immunity, and that would be litigated in the courts, here in dc, but jack smith decided to go proactive, he said no, i'm going to go out, i'm going to pull out of the original indictment anything that i think might run afoul of the new supreme court presidential immunity ruling, he pared the indictments down, from 45 pages to 36 pages, and i think the good news for accountability is, at least, in the estimation of jack smith and his team, he believes all four felony charges that were originally indicted against donald trump survive the supreme court's ruling. Of course, judge chuck and will now step in, will hold hearings and we will see whether jack smith was right in his assessment were not. You believe this was a smart move by his team. But what happens next, what steps will occur along what has become a very slow legal journey ? normally a superseding indictment is something that strikes fear into the heart of a criminal defense attorney like me. It usually means the government has found, either more defendants or more that evidence, and they are charging more crimes. That is the key. It is rare that you have a superseding indictment that actually reduces information. And a lot of people are calling this pared down, or a slimmed down version of the indictment, not to me. Ultimately, the only thing i care about is the counts, and all four counts remain. That means, if the defendant is convicted, the sentencing guidelines will be exactly the same. All jack smith's team has done is taken a look at the indictment and said, what should we remove that insulates us? and yes, they remove references to trump's attempts to subvert the doj and maybe install a new acting attorney general, but they keep in language about vice president pence, which signals to me that jack smith's team is feeling very confident, they have kept all four counts, and they are keeping an conduct in the mike pence conduct is significant, because the supreme court suggested that this, at least was entitled to the presumption of immunity. So, jack smith is signaling that, even conduct that may be entitled to a presumption of immunity, it is full steam ahead. They are not afraid of the district court, and any possible hearing, they are going forward with these counts. So, as much as, yes, this indictment has been, i guess reduced in length, everything that matters is still in it. This is a strategic, i think a very brilliant move to keep this indictment alive, to head off any problems at the pass before judge chuck and has to hold a hearing, making, i think her job even easier. So, it may be a while before we understand the total legal ramifications of this, but let's talk a little bit about the politics. You had donald trump in a series of truth social last night again painting himself as the victim of a kind of deep state judicial witchhunt. How much impact and sympathy for that line of argument is there out there? do we have any polling on that and on the counter sites to that, what do we know from the data on how the legal cases against donald trump are pulling? because democrats were coming into this campaign thinking that that was a big advantage for them. On the pulling has show that it hasn't damaged his campaign this entire cycle the way that democrats had hoped or maybe anticipated. Trump, we know well can spin himself out of everything and anything, but a number of things have changed in the way that he has talked about his legal troubles recently. Recently he was on a podcast with the old van the other day, and instead of saying he won the 2020 election like he always does, he was careful and saying, well, we did much better in 2020 than we did in 2016 and i am very proud of that. That, to me, is a signal that donald trump knows that his bid is no longer working with the american people, that he is a victim of the deep state at all of these other things. On his twitter spaces with elon musk the other night he set them if he loses the election, he will have to flee the country and go to venezuela, that is another acknowledgment that his spin is no longer working with the american people or with the government on the legal system, that he is simply a victim of all of these things happening. We also know that the trump campaign is putting effort into the certification efforts. But they are already preparing themselves and you can see some of that in history socials as well. Preparing themselves for a very tight election. One in which they are narrowly behind and that they will contested. I think what is important though is, going back to the 2022 midterms. I cover governor's races extensively, secretaries of state as well. A lot of the republicans and election deniers if it didn't go donald trump's way, those folks lost by and large across the board, so, i think whatever donald trump campaign wants to do now, it is running up against this block of the fact that, these people are not in power in the state that he needs them to be in. So, i want to go to you with a question. I posed one of our legal experts earlier in the show. They were talking about jack smith trying to potentially conduct a mini trial, a so called mini trial where the evidence would be presented in sort of public domain, so even though this january 6th case wouldn't, you know, come before a jury before election day, but it would be out there for voters to consider. You think what happened yesterday will impact that decision on whether or not he will do it? and do you think you should? great question. Prosecutors always like to hold their cards close to the vest. When i was prosecuting cases, i had to litigate some issues. For example, in motions to suppress evidence or statements, by the defendant, but we wants to be pretty stingy and pretty careful about the evidence that we layout, why? because at that point we are showing our cards, and the defense will be all the better prepared to actually meet the force of the evidence during the trial proper and cross examine the government's witnesses more effectively. So, i have a feeling, given that there is no chance this case will go to trial before the election, jack smith may pull back, and this may have been step one in him pulling back, issuing this new indictment, and they may do the entire thing, by what we call proffer, in other words, not putting on the stand the witnesses, many republican witnesses, who were presented to the grand jury to testify about the alleged crimes of donald trump. Not put those witnesses on, but do it all by proffer, in other words, just make arguments. Say, your honor, the prosecutors, expect the evidence to show the following. We don't think it is an official act, we don't think it enjoys immunity, and then donald trump's lawyers will have the opportunity to litigate that issue and argue the contrary position. So, i have a feeling that is what might be coming in judge chutkan's courtroom in the near future. So, danny, the four aces facing donald trump, it will not happen before the election, they are all classified documents case is been drawn out, at least for now. The georgia case is it is unclear where that stands. Tired, that is the word i would use. Precisely correct. That happens, he was convicted and now we have a sentencing coming up in just a couple of weeks. Now, of course, it comes against the backdrop of the supreme court ruling about presidential immunity. You anticipate the sentencing will go on as scheduled? how do you see this playing out in the next couple of weeks? yes, even the new york case, which resulted in a conviction, may have an asterix, because it could go way too. Theoretically. Justice mershon could conclude that the immunity decision, and as much is this sounds crazy, it sounds crazy to think that the conduct alleged in the new york hush money case, which involved trump's former attorney, michael cohen, for former hush money payments he made to a former pornography star, before he was in the white house, he wrote the checks in the white house, but that was the tail end, it is really surprising to think that this could have anything to do with core presidential functions, and yet, arguably, possibly, the evidence that came in from people who worked in the white house at the time, hope hicks, for example, that could be something that threatens this case. So, the sensing for it? it could be the case that justice mershon said the immunity has nothing to do with this case, everything moves forward, and then you move forward the sentencing, of course, in the new york case, sentencing people should be prepared i don't believe he will have firsttime offender these age, these are lowlevel felonies, you could say barely felonies, any comparable defendant could expect a sentence that doesn't involve prison, but who knows? trump is not an ordinary defendant, and in a way, maybe no other defendant in history has done. The annoyed the heck out of the judge throughout the trial and believe it or not that does factor in. So, the chances that the sentencing will go forward completely as planned, hard to say. When it comes to donald trump, you take all of the normal things you know about schedules and procedure, you ball them up, and you throw them right out the window. 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Joining us now? editor at large at newsweek, tom rogers, and republican strategist emma susan dell percy appeared they are out with a new piece for newsweek which bears the title, supreme concerns about the supreme court. Susan, we will start with you. President biden laid out a pretty ambitious plan for laying of the court, it is not likely to happen anytime soon emma but it is a marker. And certainly, there has been a growing concern that something needs to be done there. Walk us through some of the arguments you made in the peace ? i think the most important thing to look at, overall, when it comes to the piece is that, while their approval ratings reports is so low, it seems that people want to see change to get back on track. They want to see ethics reforms, they want to see term limits, they want to see the court change, i believe, for the better, and so, i think, when you look at that, there is a little hope. Of course, the country is divided, so, the people are divided online in decisions that they have made. So, tom, only in this new emerson pull, emerson college bowl, only 34%, 34% of respondents give the supreme court a positive job approval rating. It is certainly i think some trace its two 2000 at the beginning of its decline and certainly in public standing, and it is really accelerated in recent years what are some possible solutions does president biden's plan make sense to you? there are some key elements that not only make sense to me, but have broad support among the american people. Very surprising that, when it comes to ethics reform, holding supreme court justices simply to the same ethical standards that every other federal judge is held to, only 71% agree with that, only 13% disagree, so, huge consensus on that one. It is probably most important reform, as susan pointed to, is term limits, putting forward the notion that 18 years should be the span of any justice's term. That is intended to get out the issue that we had with donald trump, which is the disproportionate impact that a single president can have. In four years, he appointed three justices, clinton, obama, george w. Bush, each serve for 8 years and only had two appointments each. So you can really see that, without correcting that somehow, by having staggered terms you are really not going to get to the point, where any individual administration can't create an imbalance on the court, which we have today, huge imbalance with the court, largely out of step on key issues that the american public disagrees with it on. And actually, tom, i wanted to follow up with that and ask you, it is not just an issue that susan pointed out of approval ratings, it is an issue of legitimacy, this is a court with a far right majority that has been appointed, i believe, by presidents who do not win the popular vote, can you talk a little bit about what we look like, here in the united dates, compared to other democracies, western democracies, and is there an issue of legitimacy of the court, not just approval ratings? well, i think it is very clear, when it comes to some key social issues, and we hope to have some additional polling information on this, how people feel about abortion, how they feel about gun control issues that are real, that people feel really passionately about and how reform relates to people's views on that. Clearly, most democracies do not have entrenched courts that have the ability to be that out of step with public sentiment, as represented, by how the majority of the public feels on key issues. The problem we have with reform here is much of it may require a constitutional amendment, unless the reforms thread a needle. For instance, when it comes to creating term limits, senior justice status would have to be taken by justices, after a certain point. Their 18 year terms, because the constitution requires that all justices serve for a lifetime and we wouldn't be able to impose that on existing justices without meeting the fusion and therefore time it would take, through term limits is a long one. And so, the question then becomes, other people look at well, why don't we just appoint more justices to the supreme court, something that can be done by statute, not constitution. 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The #1 pharmacist recommended vitamin and supplement brand. Truthful i truthful i miss babe more. Truthful. About this for truth? i am suing you for defamation. And if you want more legal woes , send babe an invitation to your sorry little party, i dare you. Slim, get real, dear, you were all immortalized by me admit, you actually appreciate the appreciate the what? the philandering men? idle, shallow pornographic women? you told more lies to hurt people than who does that? never let the truth get in the way of a good story. That is the classic line, and that was actress, diane lane, in her any nominated performance, portraying new york socialite, slim keith, in the critically acclaimed limited series, viewed. Capote purses the swans, on fx, this is lane's third emmy nomination and the emmy and oscar nominated actress joins us now. Diane, welcome back, congratulations. Just talk to us about what it feels like, the series has been so wellreceived, by the critics, by audience commands to get that acclaim for the show, but also your role. Thank you, 10 nominations, not bad. Every department brought their a game, and ryan murphy knows what he is doing. I am very blessed to be included in the stellar cast. I really am excited to share this with naomi watts, who has been nominated in her category, tom hollander was impeccable in my opinion. I am biased. And, you know, it is just amazing. The sentimentality that everybody has felt, the deep, heartfelt response to the loveliness of treat williams being nominated, even though it was after his untimely death. So, it is a poignant story all around. Yes. And welldeserved, all of those nominations. Diane, molly jongfast has the next question for you. Okay. Hi, good morning. This show is so incredible, and it is a cast, like you can't believe. Tell me what it is like to i'm sure you've worked with a lot of those people before. What was the feeling on the set? well, we all had a feeling on the set that we were lucky to be there and working on something uniting a lot of incredible women. And it is lovely to be able to have women in scenes together, it is just it is a joy, and so, i think we knew we were onto something. It was fun. One of the incredible things about that show is that you have so many talented, respected actors put together, playing, you know, playing their age, as a woman getting older in this business, you know, talk to me about that. Well, i mean slim keith knew about that, she was married three times to some very illustrious, successful hollywood men, whether it was howard hawks comedy film director, very famously quoted as saying, faster funnier. That was his big direction that everybody still quotes. Leland hayward, a fantastic, powerful producer of stage and screen, and finally wound up with a title, lady, lady keith, so, she had many lives. She started out from a humble background, she was an evolved person and really came into her comfortable self. I think she would be 101 now. I have really enjoyed her autobiography. I recommend it. I am hoping that it gets reissued. You think that this is a new world for women actresses? where we you know, where women can continue acting and have these one of the things i was struck by with this show is that women are still very you know, sexy into their you know, and there is a feeling that these women are allowed to exist into older ages, this is something that, you know, as feminist, we have struggled with. I'm wondering if you can talk about that. You know, everybody looked incredible. It was this feeling that you could keep going on and be a woman actress as well into your 80s. You know what i mean, you guys are much younger than that, but that idea. Well i don't disagree with you, and i would say, historically, as jane fonda put it so eloquently, women were relegated the season of justice spring. And now i think we are valued for a lot more than just our procreative years. That is certainly so. Diane, eugene is in washington and has the next question. Hi there, diane, congrats on the nomination. You have been in the industry since you are six, as a kid you saw a lot of changes over the years, but you have always played fully formed, complicated characters, who happen to be women, and i'm curious what you think of the industry's evolution and that we are starting to see that more and more and there's a lot more of those characters for women in tv and film, all over the place. Well, i don't think we have to look too far at the evolution of women in power and in structure, and in the deciding aspect of many industries, and, you know, women have been considered the number one consumer of goods and services in our country, the deciders in their homes and now it is moved into larger realms of value and import and say so and i think it is just more sharing going on. I think it is a conversation, rather than just the framing of women in traditional roles and in just the mail frame, , filter, all of it. Don't go anywhere. We have a second hour of morning joe we can for you, right after this break. Donald trump's out for control, and he has a plan to get it. Detailed plans for exactly what our movement will do. It's called project 2025, a 922page blueprint to give trump unchecked power: using the justice department to seek vengeance, monitoring women's pregnancies, cutting medicare and social security. Those are donald trump's plans. He'll take control. 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If you are on eylea or a similar type of treatment, ask your retina specialist about eylea hd today for the potential for fewer injections. Welcome welcome back to morning joe weekend. This week featured another self inflicted problem with the trump campaign, with just 10 weeks to go until november 5th. You have been vice president for 3 and half years. The steps you are talking about now, why haven't you done them already? well, first of all, we had to recover as an economy, and we have done that, and i am very proud of the work we have done that has brought inflation down the less than 3%. The work we have done to cap the cost of insulin at $35 a month for seniors. Donald trump that he would do a number of things, and including medicare to negotiate drug prices never happened, we did it. So, now, as i travel in the state of georgia and around our country, the number of seniors that have benefited, i have met i was in nevada recently, a grandmother, who showed me her receipts, and before we kept the cost of insulin for seniors at $35 a month, she was paying hundreds of dollars, up to thousands of dollars a month for her insulin. She is not doing that anymore. So, you maintain bidenomics is a success? i maintain that when we including tapping the cost for medicine for seniors at $2000, when we do what we did at being in the first year in office to extend the child tax credit, so that we cut child poverty in america, by 50%, when we do what we have done to invest in the american people, in bringing manufacturing back to the united states so that we created over 800,000 new manufacturing jobs, bringing business back to america, what we have done to improve the supply chain, so we are not relying on foreign governments to supply american families with their basic needs i will say that is good work. There's more to do, but that is good work. There's one other question about something you said in 2019 when you first ran. There was a debate, you raise your hand, when asked whether or not the border should be decriminalized decriminalized. You still believe that? i believe there should be consequence, we have laws that have to be followed and enforced, that address and deal with people who cross our border illegally, and there should be consequence, and let's be clear, in this race i am the only person who has prosecuted transnational criminal organizations for trafficking guns, drugs, and human beings. I am the only person in this race who actually served a border state as attorney general laws, and i would enforce our laws as president, going forward. I recognize the problem. Let's talk about some foreignpolicy issues that would be on your plate if you become commander in chief. President biden has tried, unsuccessfully to end the war between israel and hamas in gaza. He has been doing it for months and months, along with you. Would you do anything differently, for example? would you withhold some u. S. Weapons, shipments to israel? that is what a lot of people on the progressive left want you to do. Let me be very clear, i am unequivocal and unwavering in my commitment to israel's defense and its ability to defend itself. And that is not going to change, but let's take a step back, october 7, 1200 people are massacred. Many young people, who were simply attending a music festival. Women were horribly raped. As i said then , i say today, as israel have a right to defend itself. And it matters. Far too many innocent palestinians have been killed. And we have got to get a deal done. We were in dohan. We have to get a deal done, and we must get a deal that is about getting the hostages out. I have met with the families of the american hostages, let's get the hostages out, let's get the seas fired on. But no change in policy in terms of arms and so forth? no, i we have to get a deal done. Dana, we have to get a deal done. When you look at the significance of this to the families, to the people who are living in that region, it a deal is not only the right thing to do to end this war, but will unlock so much of what must happen next. I remain committed, since i have been on october 8th, to what we must do to work toward a two state solution, where israel is secure and in equal measure, the palestinians have security and selfdetermination and dignity. So, let's talk about the anger, we did come through it in our last hour, we see some fresh soundbite today, but just in this hour, going at some of the issues in which she has held different positions. In the last hour we talked in some detail about fracking. She is saying, very clearly no, i will not been fracking, and i said that the vice presidential nominee in 2020, and i am saying it now is the democratic nominee at for president, i will not been fracking, despite what i said in 2019 during my own primary campaign. Now talking about immigration, that she does not want to decriminalize illegal immigration, so, what did you make of that, as a voter, independent voter, who is sitting there, saying, which version of vice president harris should i believe? the one in front of me now, or the one who was in the senate and the one who ran for president in 2019, what she says effectively as, believe what i am saying now, does she make a convincing case? yeah, i think she did, and i think sometimes we are not honest with ourselves about, you know, a couple of things. First of all, we change our minds all the time based on information based on where we are sitting, based on if we are a junior person in the office, or someone running the office, and it is actually normal we should normalize changing your mind. I think sometimes, we, in journalism, shame people, kind of figuring out a different view that they might hold, and college flipflopping, and try to kind of catch people in it, when, and in some ways, on some issues, that is a measure of progress. I think we also need to recognize that she is in a different context right now than she was in a 2020 democratic primary. She is in a general election against an american fascist, donald trump, and, let's just be real, you need to sometimes two different things in a general election against a far right candidate than you do in a primary. I don't think we can kind of pretend that is not the case. I think she said something, by way of explanation of that, that actually was quite interesting and moving. And it goes beyond the familiar, kind of center. She talked about this notion of consensus, when she was kind of pressed on this idea of reversal, and she said, i believe we have to work toward a consensus of how we can solve these things, and i think that kind of allows you to square the circle, which is to say, and this is for true for a lot of liberals, you know, in american life, where, i think a lot of liberals, who would distinguish themselves from progressives actually share progressive ideals in a certain form, share a certain notion of what immigration should be like, don't think the way the right does about it, share certain notions of preferring people to have healthcare to not having healthcare, where liberals and progressives often differ is their sense of how much power they are willing to smash to do it? where they think other people are, so she talked about, look i have expressed some of these ideals, but we have to be mindful, particularly the position she is in now of where other people are, where the country's, what can a large majority of people be led to want and be led to fight for? and i think that is a reasonable position to take, even if it is not, you know, the same as my position on a given issue. And so, you are right, the underlying message of let's turn the page, we are not going back is that the stakes are so high that we cannot return to the years of donald trump. That is a position, something she said very explicitly in that interview yesterday. We showed some of donald trump's reaction, making very plain to the american public how different these two are, just visually, watching vice president harris gave an interview, talk coherently about policy, whether you agree or not and also just to sort of have an affect, a more common affect than the chaos that comes with donald trump. How important, how powerful is that contrast? you know, i was watching last night and then the clips you are showing three things struck me, first of all, these are people with heart, right? they are just people who i'm not saying they are off the chart, i am just saying they are normal people who feel things for other people, who feel proud when their son loves them, you know, and these people shouldn't be exceptional in american life, but when you are running against donald trump and jd vance, being people with heart is a really big contrast. Second, these are people who know a lot about stuff, to use a big word. Just going into the weeds. If anything, kamala harris airs on the side of being really intricate in discussing some of these issues. You know, in a nonsoundbite way. And gosh, what a relief, to have someone who's sin sometimes is knowing too much issues when she is against a babbling fascist, and finally, these are, it is a contrast with tim walz's favorite word, these are just normal people who, i think are showing themselves to be normal, and so, what all that amount to to me, the word i wrote down, as i was sitting here waiting to come on is anti inflammatory. I think this notion of the last decade that the vice president was talking about, it has been an inflammatory decade, not just donald trump, but the culture in general has been an inflammatory culture right? and inflammation, inflammation is what kills our bodies right? a lot of things inflame us, and there are some things that are kind of antiinflammatory. Our politics has been a politics of inflammation, constant warfare, of everything dramatized, even within our parties, even within the split, and i think this ticket, in many ways is an anti inflammatory ticket. Downplaying, kind of the personal identity and gender that, while significant, can be inflammatory. You know, downplaying these kind of fights within progressives and moderates, and frankly, talking donald trump is kind of tired and weird and just past his prime rather than, again, inflaming him into this strongman monster, which, in some ways, can be counterproductive, as we know, so i think we are seeing the politics of antiinflammation, after a very inflammatory decade. I think a lot of americans will be drawn to it. We will be right back, with much more morning joe. Egovy®, i lost 35 pounds. And some lost over 46 pounds. ♪ ♪ and i'm keeping the weight off. Wegovy® helps you lose weight and keep it off. I'm reducing my risk. Wegovy® is the only fdaapproved weightmanagement medicine that's proven to reduce risk of major cardiovascular events in adults with known heart disease and with either obesity or overweight. Wegovy® shouldn't be used with semaglutide or glp1 medicines. 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Well if we got xfinity you wouldn't have to mess around with the connection. Therapy's tough, huh? mmm. It's like a lot about me. [laughs] a home router should never be a home wrecker. Oo this is a good book title. Vice president harris wrapped up her bus tour of georgia with a rally in savannah last night. Nearly every scene taken in the arena, 9000 people in attendance there. Harris is the first presidential candidate to campaign in savannah, since bill clinton did in 1992, underscoring just how vital the campaign in georgia and just how in it is. For electing two democrats to the united states senate in 2020 and for helping to secure a win for the bidenharris ticket, four years ago. Georgia, for the past two election cycles, voters in this very state, you who are here have delivery. You said two extraordinary senators to washington, d. C. . You sent president biden and me to the white house. You showed up, you knocked on doors, you registered folks to vote, and you made it happen. You did that. You did that. And so, now, we are asking you to do it again. Do it again. Let's do it again. Jia mitchell, you know them so well, i am reminded, of course, the 2020 election, we can't forget, because donald trump ended his phone call with secretary of state, brad ruffin's burger that the boat was under 12,020 20. It was a state that the biden campaign had worried maybe out of play this year, but now that the harris campaign has been brought back into play, what does it tell you that the campaign is spending so much time in georgia? i think it tells us two things. Number one, i think it tells us that the campaign's you know, internal polling indicates that georgia is still winnable. Otherwise they wouldn't be spending so many resources in the state, but it also shows us that it is an important state for both campaigns and the more that harris campaigns in georgia, the more she forces donald trump resources on 7h)ñgeorgia, and t more that trump spends money on georgia, the less he has to spend and other battleground states. So, it is a strategic move for georgia, but i do think harris would love to carry the state again. It is striking to think that come with joe biden at the top of the ticket after the debate, the trump campaign was thinking just how high it could run up the score, how many states it could grab, and it had georgia and arizona, nevada in the back and maybe they were going to go with minnesota, talking about new jersey and all of this and now, as you point out rightly, playing defense in a lot of places they didn't think they would have to. So, as you cover the state of georgia, what will be important? obviously, the turnout in atlanta, suburban voters in atlanta going towards kamala harris, perhaps some of the women who like what they hear from her, what you think will be decisive in georgia, come election day? a lot of the things you just mentioned, but i think the fact that the bus tour focused on south georgia, tells us a lot and it is kind of illuminating of the georgia electorate. Yes, south georgia is pretty rural it is pretty conservative, but they are, a, rural georgia is 25% black, those are democratic voters, and quite frankly, there are still some blue dog democrats in rural south georgia. So, thereabouts, even in those rural pockets, not necessarily a majority of the votes, those are still, you know, conservative counties, but of course, you win the electoral college, by the popular vote in each date. 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What shall our legacy be? what will our children say? let me know in my heart, when my days are through, america, america, i gave my best to you! that, of course, was president, joe biden, addressing the dnc last whole week in chicago. It was a political swan song of sorts, and as our next guest rights, biden's decision to quit the race ended a remarkable chapter in american political history and started one that may yet define his legacy. Joining us now, staff writer for the new york times, robert draper, his latest piece for the new york times magazine, has the headline, joe biden's interrupted presidency, and it goes behind the scenes of biden's time in the white house, and his historic decision to drop out of this year's campaign and robert, you write in part this. Everyone who becomes president, has had a long, personal relationship with the idea of the presidency. No one who gets there has not yearned for it for years, and it means something different for each. A biden presidency, in his imagination, would allow him to transcend his origins he probably wore on his sleeve and make good on his own redemption, by widening that american dream, to include others who had been left out of it. The flurry of activity that marked his administration was that of a man, who had tried for literal decades to get there, accumulated plans and experiences along the way. And yet, before it was even over, he had been deemed too old to win a second term, and too old to finish it if he did win. The nation's first too old to be president president. His decision to quit the race ended one of the most remarkable chapters in american political history and started one that may yet define his legacy, after all, that last chapter will not be written until after the election in november. Robert, it is a great piece and we will get to that part of it, his legacy and how it is linked to vice president harris in a moment, but first, let's get your assessment of what you have seen so far from the biden presidency. Right now the story line is that he is too old, his campaign was cratering and largely now he is out offstage, but in his first two, three years, his resume stands up to just about anybody's. I totally agree, and i think that helps express this fundamental duality to joe biden and his political life that, by the time he reached the white house, he had decades and decades of accumulated experience, he was really the most experienced person we have ever had as president, but along the way, of course, he had gotten older, and was, in a sense, racing against the clock, had tried to run for president on a couple of other occasions was thwarted, and a desire to run in 2015. So, he was operating from behind schedule, and that flurry of activity that i described in the story and principally in 2021 and 2022 was really the different person who knew how to get things done, who knew how to get legislation across the finish line, but it also was, perhaps, a prefiguring of a guy, who was soon going to be facing decline, something, of course we saw in the june 17 eight. Robert, i love your beautiful piece, so well written, as always. I was wondering what sense you got of the turmoil that biden went through, as he made the decision to stay in, or to drop out. Sure. Yeah. That actually presents a second duality, a more personal one for biden, that he has always been able to see the personal, the human dimension that undergirds politics, and that a vast reservoir of empathy has really been one of the cornerstones of his of political life, but the flipside to it is that it comes from being himself, a member of the working class, who felt kind of that always underestimated, always given short shift, and that side of biden is what we saw when people first were demanding that he stepped down. He felt that he could still do the job, but more than anything else, he was relying on decades of experience of someone who had always been counted out, always been pushed to the side, so i think he was really undergoing a period of belligerence and then denial, i mean, what i am describing of course, elizabeth google ross described as the stages of grief, and what we are seeing now is finally the acceptance part of grief, which is still very, very painful thing for him to be experiencing. Robert, it is good to see you. Right now, democrats are feeling, they love joe biden, when i was at the dnc, you couldn't hear people about how great they feel he has done and how he is stepping down and allowing vice president harris to kind of take the mantle here, but that only lasts if she wins right? that is one of the things that i have found interesting is that, you know, when you talk to people about, like, their frustrations, they were frustrated that it took so long, they were frustrated that he dug his heels in so long, but they kind of the primary process was switched around so south carolina was there and give the signal to even bother, so, i guess, talk to us about that this only lasts his legacy only stays intact if vice president harris actually wins, or if you agree with that. No, i totally agree, eugene, and you said correctly that people expressed, you know, a kind of gratefulness or gratitude toward the president, but also the gratitude was born out of a certain relief that, finally, this we had come to this point where he was willing to step aside, but the upper word here is finally, and whether or not that up or down suffice president, harris is a chapter that would be told until november 6th, and perhaps in the days beyond that. It is interesting, because i do think that biden who was, in many ways, did history making things, legislatively, as president, is probably not going to be seen so much as a historic figure himself instead of a facilitator of historic figures, someone who helped barack obama become the nation's first black president and now, someone who, by stepping aside, allows his number two person, to perhaps be the first woman to be elected president. Still ahead, what do hundred the former aides to george w. 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A smaller set of 150 republicans who pledged support of then president biden back in 2020 it comes after a democratic convention that included conservatives, like former congressman, adam kessinger, speaking to common values that transcend party. The letter further states quote, of course we have plenty of honest, ideological disagreements with vice president harris and governor walz. That is to be expected. The alternative, however, is simply untenable. At home, another four years of donald trump hole chaotic leadership. This time focused on advancing the dangerous goals of project 2025, will hurt real, everyday people and wake in our sacred institutions. Richard, which are the republicans who have not stood up yet, mr. The trump administration, who could actually make a difference, in terms of persuading those very few on persuadable voters, who are left? do you expect any more than to step up between now and november? there is the former vice president, who has, let's say a certain physical and political incentive to stand up, given how he was you think he is going to do it? no. Look, i think if people were going to stand up, they have had now, shall we say, several years, to do it. So, i think several, you know, several people simply and i also warn there at this point, you can agree with me or disagree if you will, how much it will matter at this point. It will not shake trump's base, these people may influence the independents, and a small number of voters in swing states, so, it will be interesting to see that. It is fascinating, patty, how many of the people who worked with him most closely i know him best have come out against him. And that to me is a stunning indictment. No question. Those who have known him the best, who decided not to back him, eugene, but and i you are republican, spoke at the democratic convention last weekend tim miller, our friend from msnbc noted and applauded him, but where were the rest? we know that some of these have spoken out against him privately, but where was john kelly? where was rex tillerson? where was mike pence? where was george w. Bush? where was liz cheney? the list goes on and on. People who have privately and sometimes publicly made it clear that they disagree with donald trump, they would never vote for him again, but there has always been something holding him back to take that center stage, to actually forcefully, not just announce trump, but back harris, do you see any of that change in? and to richard's point, does it even matter? i don't see a change in, i mean, if every prominent republican, who inwardly, secretly despises donald trump and thinks it is dangerous for the country in the world, had spoken at the democratic convention, there wouldn't have been any room for democrats to speak. I mean, they are you know, it's not like there's a shortage of these people, but it is very clear at this point, after years, that many of them are not going to come out, they are going to remain in exile, or in the closet i guess. And i don't does it make a difference that this group came out? i think just very marginally. I think insofar that it is trying to create a permission structure for establishment republican voters, who are who really don't want to vote for either trump or harris to just go ahead and vote for harris. I don't think there are necessarily a lot of people who are going to be pushing on that fence to actually voting for harris, but, you know, type election, and phone numbers could make a big difference. You know what, patty, there's two ways i have seen republicans in this trump era go out the former president, while also trying to preserve republicanism and the way they remember it. You have got people, like adam consider taking the outside approach, a democratic convention trying to create, what eugene calls out as the permission structure to patriotically maintain your time as a conservative, but vote for small democracy by voting for kamala harris, and then you have got people, like mike pence, like liz cheney, some of the other names we have mentioned here, were never going to come out and disavow their party, in large part, because they want to stay within it so they can carry the future torch of it, when trump, if trump is at the end of his political career, whether that is in 2024 at some point in the future. There are two different ways they are trying to go about this. So, i don't think we are going to see mike pence or liz cheney come out and endorse the democrats and say, i am no longer a republican. They want to stay within the party for a reason. They want to carry the torch forward. I think that is a voice that actually could make some sort of a difference. I don't know that any of the others could, but it is possible that george w. Bush could do. Coming up on morning joe, the latest controversy surrounding former president trump's visit to arlington national cemetery. And our next guest calls it an absolute disgrace. Former navy helicopter pilot and congresswoman, mikie sherrill of new jersey joins us next. With the one and only sotyktu, a oncedaily pill for moderate to severe plaque psoriasis, and the chance at clear or almost clear skin. It's like the feeling of finding you're so ready for your closeup. Or finding you don't have to hide your skin just your background. Oncedaily sotyktu was proven better, getting more people clearer skin than the leading pill. Don't take if you're allergic to sotyktu; serious reactions can occur. Sotyktu can lower your ability to fight infections, including tb. 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That is donald trump speaking to nbc's dosha burns yesterday, defending his decision to pose for photos at the graves of fallen soldiers and arlington national cemetery on monday, smiling with a thumbsup. Despite his team been told it was against the rules. In a statement yesterday, an army spokesperson wrote that an arlington employee was quote, abruptly pushed aside by one of trump's staffers. Trump's campaign manager is not backing down either, posting a video yesterday of the former president at the cemetery, along with the caption, reposting this, hoping to trigger the hacks at the army. The hacks at the army. Joining us, democratic congresswoman, mikie sherrill, a retired navy helicopter pilot and member of the house armed services committee. Congresswoman, it is great to have you here this morning. In case anyone needs reminding, could you remind us why we call arlington national cemetery such a sacred place in your assessment of what we have seen of this store story of the last few days? really, your discussion of it as a sacred place is exactly right. This is where we bury our war dead, the most important cemetery for that. It is where the tomb of the unknown soldier is kept in. It is something that every veteran is aware of, and knows, and the respect that it deserves and to have trump, who has a history of integrating service and veteran service go there and push aside person, from the army, who is trying to keep that space sacred and then, to post a video, a campaign video on tiktok against federal law, but really, against basic decency is so incredibly offensive. I mean, he has hit so many lows, when it comes to service members and veterans, when it comes to john mccain and calling servicemembers suckers and losers. You know, being a draft dodger himself, with his fake bone spurs, and then to continue this. This really though, comes across to me as a new low. I have already received outreach from veterans in my district who are really upset i this is really just it is really hard to describe. Jean, you are writing about this this morning in the washington post and it is so telling, is it not, that the army stafford did not want to press charges, because he, or she, did not want to face the consequences that would come, perhaps, from crossing donald trump? having watched our public discourse for the last decade, knowing that either donald trump would attack this person or that his supporters would attack this person, deciding not to press charges, but making clear to the army yesterday that there was an incident, where somebody who works at arlington national cemetery was muscled out of the way by the trump campaign. Yeah, it is just it is unbelievable, and, you know, i wrote that column, because sometimes we tend to look at when donald trump does something awful, unprecedented, unimaginable, and we just sort of move on right? because he does that all the time, but this this just struck me as so beyond the pale and so unamerican, and so just really unbelievable. That he would do that, number one, that he would bring this campaign camera crew into into section 60, where they were clearly, explicitly not to go, that they would push an employee out of the way to get there, and then they would take you know, he speaks in that interview as if oh, these people just wanted his picture, no, he brought the camera crew there. It is just unbelievable. But congresswoman, this is obviously not the first time donald trump has shown that he has no idea what honor means. No idea what patriotism means. No idea what sacrifice means. And, so, you, as a veteran can you explain to me why any veteran supports donald trump? or can could you know, why any veteran is not completely and totally offended and outraged by everything he has done, since his first criticism of john mccain, which was what? years ago now? 2015? no, i certainly couldn't explain why any veteran would want to support this man. Who i think, you know, as commander in chief of our military, he, as i said, denigrated veterans and refused to get out of the car to honor world war i soldiers who had fallen in battle, has said he didn't want to be seen with disabled veterans. How anyone could want to support this person, after all that he has done, and i think, what really bites here is the fact that this is someone who tries to cloak himself and all of the honors and the metals and tries to surround himself with the military, tries to utilize the military as his own personal militia and his command and his will, and yet denigrates the service of people, because i would say deep down he has no concept of service to country. He has no concept of serving other people. For donald trump it is always all about himself, so, he wants the pageantry. He wants to be honored, and yet he has no honor or respect for our servicemembers, our veterans or barred them. We will be right back with much more morning joe. Choose advil liquigels for faster, stronger and longerlasting relief than tylenol rapid release gels. Because advil targets pain at the source of inflammation. So for faster pain relief, advil the pain away. 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Switch today! what are what are you looking at? nothing. Are you okay? mrs. O'connor? do i know you? ben bradley, benjamin currently? you are my music teacher. So interesting, because i am an aquarius. Kanter. You know my daughter, gabby? debbie. Hi, i am leah. Mrs. O'connor, hi. This is my music class, i started a website so, you want to have a bar mitzvah? geez, betty, you are a sharp one. That is a look at the new movie, between the temple, it follows a recently widowed kanter, a jewish temple in upstate, new york, as he reconnects, unexpectedly with his former music teacher. Giving him a renewed sense of purpose and his faith and a fresh outlook on life. Joining us now, two of the film stars, jason schwartzman and roberts michael along with the film's director and cowriter, nathan silver. Thanks for being with us, guys. Jason, let me start with you about the story. We should explain to people who don't know a kanter sings in temple, and this is a character and a man who loses his wife and then loses his voice as well. So, what did you love about this project? why did you jump in? welcome i love that story, i love the idea of someone, who's main focus in life has been totally diverted. And he is sort of stuck, he is lost his motivation and you know, not sure that he wants to go on, and also, his job is to help others. And he is not sure if he wants to help anybody. He you know, carol comes to him asking for bar mitzvah and he's not even you know, he can't really recommend that. I'm not really sure you should do that is what he thinks, not because of her, but because of him. And i love that story on the idea of how your life you are constantly called to change the way you do things and that it is never too late. To start a new way of living life, and you have to find new ways of living your life to move on. So, robert, before we go any further, it is great to see you, and for people who don't know, robert, of course, snl, anything funny over the last, let's call it 35 years, robert probably had a hand in it. So, tell me about this role, rabbi bruce, how did you come to this, robert? it is quite a stretch, you know? when i saw the script i was like, how are they going to make you look like a rabbi? just like specialeffects, you know, hours in the chair, now i know how martin lawrence felt. But no, i i was thrilled. I don't get you know i am primarily a writer, and i haven't heard anything, but i was really excited that jason and carol kane, who is amazing in the movie, were that i would be working with them, and then i read nation's script, which was actually more of a script meant, they called it. Wasn't even filled with dialogue yet, kind of like her, which, by the way you were great on. Anyway. I i just loved the story. And i was excited to work with jason and carol. So, so, romantic drama eddie, right? two things were happening that strike me as interesting. I can't wait to see it. And that is the way in which you, foreground grief in a moment where a lot of americans are grieving still, and the way in which this was a decidedly jewish film, in a moment where antisemitism has spiked is spiking. Talk about how you play or how you deal with these two things with laughter, with love? absolutely. I think judaism at its core is about questioning everything in front of you. It is like judaism is answering a question. Absurdity of life, really. Basically, making a movie about grief but making it a comedy. That does it for us on this saturday. We are back tomorrow morning for another two hours of morning joe weekend. ♪ ♪ weekend. ♪ ♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ good morning. It is saturday, august 31st. I am symone sanderstownsend