Good to be with you. Im katy tur. It was an explosive day in criminal court today. Donald trumps one time ally and friend, david pecker, laid out in detail what he, Michael Cohen, and donald trump agreed to do to protect his campaign. And then how they did it. Describing multiple conversations and multiple moments of the campaign on multiple topics including times when pecker directly advised trump saying quote, i think you should buy it, about Karen Mcdougles story, to which trump responded he would think about it according to pecker and have cohen call him back. The question for jurors was any of this illegal. Pecker is the man at the center of trumps catch and kill scheme in the run up to the 2016 election and he could be a more Essential Witness to cohen. Because pecker is corroborating when cohen has long alleged. That there was a 2015 meeting in trump tower where he, pecker and trump hatched a plan to protect trump and hurt his opponents in his campaign for president. Today, pecker called it a Quote Agreement among friends saying i would run or post positive stories about mr. Trump and publish negative stories about his opponents. So what will trumps lawyers do with pecker on crossexamination . He did give them at least one opening. And what about their client, the former president . What he did in court today and what he did outside of it that could put him in contempt. Judge merchan appeared to be fed up this morning. What he said to todd blanche. Joining us now, lisa rubin. So, lisa, i call it an explosive day in court because pecker goes into great detail about the relationship he had with Michael Cohen and what he believed Michael Cohen was doing. And also not to mention the relationship he had with donald trump and direct conversations he had with trump about what they were doing in the 2016 campaign. I think david pecker is a far more important witness that many people appreciate. Not only because he can speak as you just noted to the formation of the conspiracy that the d. A. s office wants the jury to buy into, but because at multiple points in time, he talked to trump directly including with respect to whether it was worth it to buy Karen Mcdougles story at a point in time that enquirer ceo and chief content officer, dylan howard, had already flown to california to interview mcdougle about her story. Decided essentially that she was credible after which point trump calls pecker and said what do you think we should do. I also thought that it was a fascinating introduction to the world of tabloid journalism. It was like pecker was emptying the contents of his head about the lexicon and standard practices Tabloid Journalists use. Whether were talking about the source agreements or what he called taking a story off the marketplace, which is a nice way of saying catch and kill. David pecker was very nakedly frankly and calmly revealing the tricks of the trade. Tricks that played into his very solid but also extremely transactional friendship with donald trump. One that he called mutually beneficial for decades because trump was a key seller of his magazines. When people went into the supermarket, they wanted to buy the magazines with donald trump on the cover and when they in fact tested which celebrities were the most popular, trump ranked among the top. Each and every time. So david pecker giving us a glimpse today into his relationship with donald trump, but one that i think will be nor important in the days to come when he starts testifying in earnest about what trump knew about the payments to Karen Mcdougle and to Stormy Daniels and of course, after the election, two conversations that david pecker has been privy to have had with donald trump where trump essentially thanked him for his contributions to the campaign and for making it happen. We cant see whats happening inside the courtroom. Were relying on a google doc to give us a transcript. You can see whats happening. Tell us. What is it like as the prosecutors try to make their case . As theyre interviewing david pecker. Thats the jury like . Whats donald trump like in that room . Well, i would say everybody is really attentive today, which hasnt always as you know been the case. Donald trumps attention kind of fluctuates. He has come in on days and been extraordinarily bored. But when the subject is donald trump and donald trump directly, he stands at attention and he was very curious to hear how david pecker would describe his relationship. I would say his expression for the most part was fairly even. He was neither snarling at pecker as he sometimes does when he heads down the aisle and exits the courtroom and sees the press assembled, but he wasnt exactly friendly. My best recollection of the interaction was when pecker came into the courtroom yesterday and donald trump was almost like leaning around the table so he could get as close a look at david peckers face as he could. It was as if he were daring pecker, you knew me for decades. Make eye contact with me now. And pecker didnt seem to want to do that, but on the other hand, he wasnt a scared witness either. There was nothing about him that suggested he was intimidated or cowed. Really, he was calm and collected and while our colleague described him as sort of an elliptical witness, today i would say he was more focused and direct in answering the methodical questions about the formation of the relationship, how they paid off the door man at trump tower who tried to sell the enquirer a story about trumps illegitimate daughter that pecker himself said is 1,000 untrue. Then starting to tell the beginnings of the Karen Mcdougle story, which is where i expect theyll pick back up on thursday morning. And remember, pecker has an immunity deal. Were going to talk to you in a few minutes about the Gag Order Hearing which got pretty contention this morning. Joining us now, former assistant District Attorney from manhattan, rebecca. And former assistant District Attorney for the manhattan d. A. s office. Its really good to have you. So pecker. Having pecker on the stand today, how important was it for him to lay out the beginnings of the catch and kill, the prosecutors will call it, a scheme. Very important as lisa said. Hes a very important witness. Hes the center of it. That trump tower meeting, that was him and cohen and that was the boss. President trump. Former President Trump. And he had a lot of good nugget ts in his testimony including describing donald trump as very detailed and almost micro managing. This is not someone thats just hands off. Why does the prosecution need to understand donald trump is very detailed . First of all, its very important for the jury to conclude that he himself had a hand in this. And part of the defense may be he had nothing to do with this. This was maybe done on his behalf. Being very hands on, detail oriented puts him at the table. I think its also really important to focus on the fact that you know, its the falsification of Business Records that is the criminal act. This is all about what he intended and the color comes from the witnesses. A lot of this is going to be laid out in boring documents and the jury needs a story. The story comes from these witnesses. Why is it important to get to his intent in this case . Because the intent changes from being what would be a misdemeanor if theres only intent of fraud. In order to make it out to be a felony, prosecutors have to show they intended to commit or conceal. Isnt that the tricky thing here . Getting it from a misdemeanor into a felony. A more complicated case. A felony that he was trying to influence the election and hide something. Is the prosecution, i know its only day two, but so far, how are they doing on this . Thats the hard one and it is only day two. And tomorrow, we have off and mr. Pecker will be probably most of the day thursday and then crossexamination will start. Because the misdemeanor is easy but you dont do a 34count against the former president and also would have been the statute of limitations would have been passed. Five years on the felony. So, yes. Its intent is to find that its your conscious objective. So they have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it was Donald Trumps conscious objective to commit or conceal, to intend to commit or conceal a crime. Let me just read you a little bit on what pecker said in his testimony about the detail oriented aspect of donald trump and the payments. He said i went to his office and when i was there, rona, his secretary, brought him a batch of invoices and checks to sign and while he was doing accounts payable packages, he would look at each check and sign it. I would describe mr. Trump as very knowledgeable. Very detail oriented. I would describe him almost as micro managing. Look at all the aspects of whatever the issue was. I thought that his approach to money, he was very cautious and very frugal. So if hes paying this back, this check to Michael Cohen with the invoice attached and it says Legal Services, doesnt he have cover to say i paid a Legal Services invoice. Thats what it said i was doing. He was my personal attorney. I didnt have to ask specifically what this specific Legal Service was for because i knew he was agenting in this capacity. I think thats his best defense but i do think there are some aspect of the case that make that a hard defls to maintain. Like what . I think that you know what you just spoke about. The fact he micro managed. You dont just sign invoices if youre the kind of person thats that hands on. I think also some of the personal testimony about how involved he was going to be, again, may come from a problematic witness like Michael Cohen. But if cohens testimony is corroborated on 90 of what hes talking about and you know, then theres 10 left. The jury might believe him even though hes a serial liar. I wonder if this might help donald trump here. This when he talks about cohen, pecker said he didnt know who cohen spoke to at least some of the time and added that cohen may have essentially been freelancing, acting on his own as he tried to get more involved in the campaign. Reasonable doubt. Defense only needs just one juror to say i dont know. I have a reasonable doubt. Does that give you a little reasonable doubt that cohen might have just known what he wanted to do to protect the campaign . He might have been the one doing this on his own knowing when he watched the debates and saw ted cruz do well. Michael cohen wasnt officially a part of the trump campaign. But he had a Campaign Email address the prosecutors would argue and the prosecution will, theyre going to have to, because Michael Cohen has, people say baggage. He has tons and he keeps tweeting even today. They will have documents, they have mr. Pecker. They will have other people who will be able to say okay, maybe Michael Cohen, i can find him credible on this even though hes a lair. Prosecutions going to have to find a way to defend that. Theyre also trumps own comments. He so often goes to the public and says things that are contrary to his legal interests. So its not just Michael Cohens testimony. I think there are things that he has said before that make this a less plausible defense than it might otherwise be. Thank you very much. Catherine, youre sticking around. 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Gift easy with gift mode, new on etsy. Which to me is totally unconstitutional. Im not allowed to talk about people. Theyre allowed to talk about me. So they can talk about me. Say whatever they want. They can lie. But im not allowed to say anything. I have to sit back and look at why the conflicted judge is ordering me to have a gag order. I dont think anybodys ever seen like this. Id love to say whats on my mind, but im restricted. Donald trump went after judge merchan again today just hours after a testy Morning Hearing on the gag order where merchan told one of trumps lawyers that he was losing all credibility with the court. Still with us, msnbc legal analyst and correspondent, lisa rubin and catherine christian. Lisa, again, you were watching. Bring us into the courtroom in that moment. Why did judge merchan tell todd blanche he was losing all credibility with the court . Because he was essentially making the argument that he didnt have any case law for the proposition that when trump reposts other peoples words, that he wasnt violating the gag order. What blanche ordered was your honor, i dont have any case law but its just common sense. And thats why merchan sort of exploded and said mr. Blanche, you are losing all credibility with the court. This is a judge who lives and breathes the law. He wants to see evidence and legal citations at all times. And so what he was essentially asking blanche to do was direct me, for example, to posts that your client was responding to. You tell me that your client was responding to political attacks on him, direct me to the post that hes actually responding to. He asked blanche to do that eight or nine moved on to a ser of reposts. Theyre not directing others to make a statement and again, merchan was like, please, help me find the case law that supports your argument. At that point, blanche admitted there wasnt in. It was just a plain language reading of the gag order. That doesnt go over very well when the author of the gag order is the person youre making your argument to. Presumably they understand what they meant by their words, maybe more so than the parties do. So it was not a good showing for team trump at all. And you could hear both the silence of the room as merchan sort of told him youre losing all credibility but also the clickty clak of every reporters typewriter trying to get down that quote. Let me ask you about the prosecution and why they are saying this is so important to put, punish donald trump in some way. Why its now, the immediacy of it. What happened with the jury and one juror in particular . Theyre essentially saying that while many of the statements that are at issue were about witnesses in the case and specifically about Michael Cohen, there is one statement that is about the jury as a whole and specifically its a quote that trump attributed to jesse waters but as blanche admitted in court today, not all of the quote was from the fox news host. In fact, trump added on to it saying that liberal activists were lying to the judge. What waters did not say was what trump added. Just to get on the jury. Thats what chris conroy found unacceptable. Whether or not its directed at an individual juror or the jury process as a whole, thats pernicious. Antithetical to the justice process. Carrying on as it should. And that the judge should be particularly offended by and protective of the integrity of the proceedings in his courtroom, which is why its necessary to find trump now and hold him in Criminal Contempt even though at this stage, theyre not seeking any penalty in terms of jail time. Isnt it partially though because theres one juror that asked to be excused . They felt their personal information was identifiable, that they were identified by people they know and theres a worry that some of the jurors could feel like if im identifiable and Donald Trumps going after us, its a problem. Yeah, i think thats absolutely true. Look, judge merchan has cracked down on the press in terms of what we are permitted to report. I think he realized after the first couple of days of Jury Selection that in allowing perspective jurors to talk about their current and former employers, he was also allowing them to reveal far more information about them that would be advisable in order to maintain their anonymity. Many of whom were interviewed before that edict came through from the court. So between that and the way in which trump is accusing jurors of not coming clean with the judge in order to sort of import themselves into this jury and throw the verdict in another direction, i agree with you that there is a concern that jurors are already way too concerned about their personal safety for the d. A. s offices liking and therefore, they want judge merchan to make it absolutely clear to donald trump that the gag order is one that he must obey. Whether or not they come forward with particular violations. Catherine, i want to ask about Michael Cohen. Why cant donald trump go after cohen when cohen is still allowed to go after donald trump . Because donald trump is the one with the gag order and Michael Cohen doesnt have a gag order. Why would it include cohen . The trump team would argue hes going on television, saying whatever he wants. Its all witnesses. Cohen is shameless. Hes not going to be intimidated. He wants to testify. But there may be other witnesses who say oh, no, look what hes doing to cohen. Im up next, hes going to go it to me. Its about witnesses and cohen just happens to be one. Its too hard to make a carve out. Thank you very much. I know youre sticking around in case we have anything. Lisa rubin, thank you as well. What can a lawyer realistly advise a client like trump and what do they do when he lashes out perhaps in front of a jury . Plus, what is happening on College Campuses across the country as pro palestinian protestors try to essentially shutdown the schools. 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So how do they actually handle him and what might blanche be advising donald trump knowing he can only influence and not control him . Joining us now, a member of Donald Trumps legal team, robert ray where he also led the Office Of Independent Counsel from 1999 through 2002 where he initiated a report on the white water controversy. Thanks for having me. This idea hes a nightmare client, thats baked in. He doesnt do what you ask him to. Not always. If youre todd blanche right now, what are you saying to him about these gag orders and gag order and the judge at this moment . I think that your initial difficulty is dealing with a judge saying to you as a lawyer that you are losing all credibility with the court. I can tell you thats happened to me. It does happen on occasion, hopefully not too often. My reaction to that is im sure what blanches reaction, im not going to be so easily intimidated. Youre also going back to your client to say this is where things stand. Where do things stand . And its getting more difficult. As we discussed at the beginning, its one thing to have sort of pretrial skirmishing over feeling out everybodys relative position and how far you can push things. Once the jury is sworn and the case begins and testimony starts and witnesses are in play, the courts toleration for too far outside of the lines is heightened and the court will take action. So i think what youre trying to impress upon your client is be careful. Now, on the other hand, you know, donald trump didnt choose to bring this case and donald trump didnt choose to bring this case in the middle of an election cycle. So donald trump is right that he is you know, allowed to both defend himself in the political process and affirmatively go on the attack. So a court is going to be in a very difficult position. I understand youve explored with other guests how far things can be pushed and what might happen and there might be a Contempt Citation and fines imposed and there might be consideration of the ultimate sanction, which is to put or attempt to put the former president into custody. As a penalty for noncompliance with a gag order. That obviously has some pretty severe implications and it will also cause that trial to stop in its tracks because donald trump will be able to appeal that and get relief from an appellate court. Another delay. It is not a desirable result. Even from the judges standpoint. Youre putting a jury on hold. Youre subjecting them to review in the political process by those who correctly are allowed to continue to probe for undisclosed biases, which is what this is about with regard to jurors. Theyve been completely forthcoming about whether they can be fair. So youre saying that the judge puts someone into custody, its going to throw a wrench into the process. Unavoidably even if its justify. Its a tough call. I think you have to, lets, i know todd blanche said this like common sense. Part of this is common sense. Part of it is you know forfeit about the law. Lets just think control of your courtroom in a high profile case in the middle of a president ial campaign. Is there precedent for that . No. Part of why its here is because of delays pushed by defense team. Thats part of the reason with why its happening at this moment. You make that argument maybe with regard to some of the other prosecutions. Its been delayed a few times. This one was brought after it was turned down by vances office after the feds, the u. S. Attorneys office for the Southern District of new york passed on it then alvin bragg got it on a Campaign Promise that they would tackle trump then they brought the case. Robert, i want to then it would be on trial this year. What i really want to ask you because i havent been in position to ever observe this, no one has, except for a handful of people. When you are talking facetoface with donald trump and advising him in a legal context, i know the impeachment isnt a legal context like this. Its different. Political more. But when youre advising him in a legal context, how do you get through to him in particular . Especially when politics are so deeply intwined in the process. I think you would account for what youre talking about like you would have a conversation with anybody else. Being a lawyer doesnt mean youre a separate being on planet earth. No, but donald trump isnt like everybody else. Hes different. Right. Thats why you try to bring it home to things every person can understand. Even a former president of the United States whos currently running for office, by acknowledging the great amount of pressure hes under and to have space to respond in a political environment while abiding by the rules. A judges primary concern is to protect witnesses and the integrity of the trial but donald trump has legitimate interests, too. And youre trying to subject to the client there may be a point at which theres a collision and also i think blanche is probably telling him if theres a collision, you cant necessarily predict what that result would be and it may be a result that may not be in your interest. Heres how far i think you can push it if you go past this. Its out of my hands. I cant control what the judge might do. The ultimate result here is that you want to achieve the best chance you can at a trial for acquittal. You dont want to go anything to jeopardize that. You likely want to tell him that what youre doing in court may have an effect on the jury and may have a negative effect on the jury that can push them in the direction of a conviction. I think its the unexplained or the unknown consequences that youre most worried about. Be careful what you do because you may lose control over this and it may go in a direction youre not able to safely predict. I think thats the advice you would give anyone. May not be the advice you would give. Its not a lawyers advice. Its just being a trusted person close to the president who has his best interest at heart. I still think if i were in this position, i would want a lawyers advice. Not just in person. I would want a lawyers advice. Well have to leave it there. We are heavy. Thank you very much for joining us. Up next, what does funding for ukraine and israel have to do with a ban on tiktok . What were watching in the senate today. Plus, what Columbia University is doing now in the face of pro palestinian protests that will not let up. That will not let up when i first learned about my dupuytrens contracture, my physician referred me to a Hand Specialist. And im glad he did, because when i took the tabletop test, i couldnt lay my hand flat anymore. 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There were senators concerned about that length of time, thinking it wasnt enough for bike dance to fully divest the company in a reasonable am of time. They talked to is that rights and settled on this deal of a ninemonth extension with the possibility of it moving to a year if President Biden okayed it as such. Senators indicated to house members they were okay with that. They ended up folding it into the supplemental package. It will now be voted on tonight and it appears like it will passed and signed into law. There are enough senators who appear to say yes to this . Any notable hold ups . Reporter they passed a procedural step, it was passed overwhelmingly the range of 70080 votes. Theyre concerned that the israel aid is not conditioned, theres not enough for gaza or that theyre opposed to the ukraine part of it. We havent heard any loud voices coming out specifically about tiktok itself. There have been some concerned raised about free speech, intervening in business practices, things along those lines but most senators feel comfortable with the way this law has been written, that it will solve those problems. Tiktok feels differently. Forgive me, tell me whats going on with Speaker Johnson and whether he is going to hang on to the gavel. Reporter its still up in the air. We wont know until next week, but he was given a lifeline last night when donald trump said in a Radio Interview he was doing a good job and trying very hard. Certainly giving him the space he needs with those conservative republicans who view donald trump as their leader. The cover he needs. Now, it only takes a couple of republicans to throw him overboard. The question is will democrats come to his rescue. Some have indicated they will. Still an open question but for now, mike johnson looks to be on solid ground. Thank you very much. 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Reporter University Officials held a Virtual Press briefing a short time ago and they say one of their continued concerns is what they say is people who are unaffiliated with the University Behind some of the most disruptive acts theyve seen over the last several days. As for students, one of their concerns is graduation thats less than a month away. Scheduled for may 15th. We have reached out to the university to find out if there are plans to change graduation because it is traditionally held in the area of campus where that large encampment is currently set up. Were still waiting the hear back if the ceremony could move to a different location, if it could be canceled. No word yet from the university but students arent sure what to think with the last few weeks of the semester remaining. Take a listen to what they had to say. Its been emotional. I suspect graduation will look a bit different this year. I think right now, were in a moment where everyone has to make a conscious decision about whether traditions are worth sacrificing to a greater cause. I feel like they kind of, they treat students as targets sometimes. I think its good that you know, theyre trying to keep this all under control. Reporter and those last two students from New York University reacting to the Police Presence around campus. There were arrests last night after police were called in. Valerie, thank you very much. The war in gaza could make it into the Polling Booth as americans use their vote to tell the Biden Administration what they think of the u. S. s position on israel. Were going to get a preview today in a pennsylvania Primary Election just outside of pittsburgh. It is a district where 11 people were murdered in 2018 at The Tree Of Life Synagogue. Joining us now from pittsburgh is nbc news capitol hill correspondent, ali vitali. So, explain the dynamic in this primary today. Reporter its interesting that we would make a Foreign Policy point or see that Foreign Policy is Royaling A House race, but were watching these two things come into pennsylvanias 12 Congressional District because theres a historically jewish neighborhood here. The Squirrel Hill community, as well as the fact this is where The Tree Of Life Synagogue is and the memory of that 2018 shooting will no be gone for a long time. Its why were seeing this community be so engaged in this Policy Debate around israel and gaza. I spoke with the incumbent and her opponent. To patel, this is a race all about the israel gaza conflict and the Referendum Vote on the job lee has done. For lee, she says its one of the many issues voters are focused on. The house took the all posht vote on the series of bills on a israel piece. Summer lee voted against it. She voted the vote to me as the fact that the u. S. Needs to think about the way we continue to support israel in light of the ongoing conflict in gaza. That is lees explanation for this. But it hasnt stopped various people, religious leaders in this community, from speaking out and saying they think shes out of step from where she i th how Central Israel is to jewish faith. I think she sees is more in geopolitical terms and i understand where shes coming from, but as a representative she needs to go further. Reporter and weve met people here in this community on both sides of the issues, some saying theyll stick with summer lee and others saying theyll vote patel. But it could be a first litmus test in how this issue is playing with voters. Thank you very much. Coming up, what President Biden is telling voters in florida today. Yes, florida. A mystery jessie loves playing detective. But the real mystery was her irritated skin. So, we switched to tide pods free gentle. It cleans better, and doesnt leave behind irritating residues. And its gentle on her skin. Tide free gentle is epa safer choice certified. Its got to be tide. 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Get started for 49. 99 a month plus ask how to get up to an 800 prepaid card. Dont wait call today. One is on trial and the other is on the trail. While former President Trump is stuck in the courtroom for most of the week, President Biden is hitting swing states. Today it is florida. Where hes focusing on the right to abortion. Joining us now, correspondent Vaughn Hillyard and in tampa, florida, nbc News Washington correspondent yamiche. Donald trump is in the courtroom, he said he wants to be on the Campaign Trail, would he be in he wasnt in the courtroom right now. That is a good question. Im not sure how eager would be to be flying around the country before the general election. It is a little bit of a lull period. Exactly. The convention is not until july. So he has the benefit here of actually being able to huddle up with his team to the extent that he desires. Hes meeting tonight with the former japanese prime minister, last week he met with the polish president duda. And hes making some little stops around new york. Is he frustrated being in the courtroom or is he actually tell me what you get from his team about his mindset . His mindset is having to deal with the realities that are playing out from eight years ago. And from his operation, they express outrage and fact that theyre going to focus in on this. They will have plenty time to focus in on joe biden. But theyre focusing on making the case there is a connection between the Department Of Justice, we dont expect theyll be able to prove this, a connection between the Department Of Justice and this is the Biden White House and this is a way to crumble his organization and take his money and theyre spending 4 million on Legal Expenses a month and they cant put it toward Campaign Events and advertising, so all of this is left them to utilize the trial to the extent that they can. Hes getting coverage every day on it. Thank you very much. And lets talk about what President Biden is doing in florida, florida, i guess, is still a swingy state. What is the president and his team hoping to get out of the state and what issues are they focusing on . Reporter well, President Biden just wrapped up an event here and it was his first solo came event focused on abortion. Weve seen the Vice President hold a number of Campaign Events in a number of events focused on abortion. The most prominent voice on the issue for the administration. But today the president was leaning in and him talking about donald trump and attacking the former president in his home state, about a week before the sixweek abortion ban is set to go into effect in florida and he did lay the blame on donald trump. He said that donald trump is responsible for women not having as many rights as their predecessors did. And talked about the fact that voters need to hold donald trump accountable and as now as donald trump is stuck on trial in new york, here is joe biden going out on the Campaign Trail and embracing the treat that weve seen him and the Vice President do, which is attacking the president by name over and over again. So a striking thing as we saw the president do the rare thing in Holding Events focusing on abortion. Did they say they think they could turn florida blue . What is the expectation of florida . Do they think there is enough voters out there. Reporter it is a good question. The Biden Campaign believes that because abortion will be on the ballot, there is a Ballot Measure where voters could vote whether or not they want to expand Abortion Rights in the state. It would be up to viability, which is around 24 weeks of pregnancy. That is on the ballot in november and as a result, the president thinks maybe i could benefit from that. There was some Campaign Aides who are saying the last time abortion was on the ballot in florida, in 2012, president obama won the state. But as noted, florida, My Home State has become increasingly red in the last few years. Donald trump won it twice when he was running so it is cautious to think whether or not President Biden could win it. Abortion rights activists say they might vote to expand Abortion Rights but they dont want to see restrictions on their guns or other things so there could be people that vote for donald trump at the top of the ticket and i dont want to have abortion up to six weeks which is when a number of women dont know theyre pregnant yet. But President Biden is signaling that he think this will help him in november. And i think it is an open question whether having that Ballot Initiative out there on the ballot in november will make it easier for conservatives or people who like donald trump to say im going to get rid of this issue as a problem, im going to vote for this, im going to make abortion legal, up until the point i want to make it legal. That is now off the table and i feel free to vote for the candidate i like now, now that the issue of abortion is not going to be as pressing. Thank you so much for joining us. A appreciate it. That is going to do it for me today. Deadline white house starts right now. Hi, everyone. A blockbuster day of news today. 4 00 in new york. Pulling the curtain back on an extraordinary scheme hatched by