hostages as israel releases 39 palestinians brighteners. this second round of exchanges almost did not happen. we will go live to israel for the latest on the emotional reunions, how the fragile truce almost fell apart, and what it means for the next group of hostages expected to be released today. presidential power -- president biden's role in keeping the israel hamas truce on track and his reaction to the fact that so far no americans have been among the hostages released. could that change today? we will have a live report. later, a critical court date. donald trump could find out tomorrow if a gag order will be reinstated in this new york civil fraud trial as he continues to rail against the judge of a law clerk who is now facing a deluge of threats. all of that and more is coming up. they're good sunday morning to you all. i am katie phang. we begin today's show with the latest breaking news on the israel-hamas war as we enter day three of a negotiated four-day cease-fire. more hostages are expected to be released today as israel's exchange deal with hamas continues. israel's prime minister's office says it's now reviewing the list of hostages slated for released by hamas militants. yesterday, hamas released 17 hostages, 13 israelis, and for ty citizens. israel released 39 palestinian person or's, according to the israel prison authority. the exchange was delayed for several hours after hamas accused israel of violating the terms of the truth. a diplomat told nbc news a qatari operations team is in tel aviv to ensure that the deal continues to run smoothly. so far, none of the hostages who have been released our american. part of the terms of the agreement between israel and hamas, at least 50 hostages are expected to be freed from gaza and 150 palestinians from israel by the end of the four-day truce. right now, the total number of hostages released is 41. that includes 15 thai nationals and one filipino. meanwhile, a flow of humanitarian aid trucks continue to enter into gaza. 61 trucks have entered this morning and and initial 200 trucks are set to roll in, bringing relief to thousands of palestinians. joining me now, aaron david miller, senior fellow at carnegie endowment for national peace and former middle east analyst negotiator. good morning. thank you for getting the show started. i wanted to ask based upon your experience how complicated it is to negotiate the release of americans, specifically american hostages, which are being held by hamas? >> the whole issue of negotiation, katie, thanks for having me, it's complicated by the fact that two parties are negotiating directly. you have two parties who will resume the process of trying to kill one another. that puts an extraordinary premium on what doesn't exist, which is trust. to complicate the picture, of course, you have americans. we are assuming that hamas has it under their control. the administration presses for -- the more likely they are to resist. there might be an american exchanged during today's release. we will just have to wait and see. >> you know, to the point they just made a minute ago, we are not sure if hamas asked all of the hostages that are claimed to have been taken on october 7th. i will give two examples. there's a woman and a small child, both of whom were claimed to have been murdered. at the end of the day, they were not. they were safely returned over the last two days. at this point, you have palestinian islamic jihad, for example, which has some of the hostages. i guess, how does hamas negotiate in good faith? i say that phrase loosely. it's a terrorist organization. how do they negotiate it anyway in terms of being able to confirm the release of any hostages that they may or may not have? >> it works to their advantage to a certain degree because they can claim they are not in control of all of them. they can use that as a psychological pressure point to make the israelis suffer. i think that is a primary objective here. they can play a numbers game. there have also been reports that -- a small organization controlled almost exclusively by iran. there are also reports that individual families might have cease-fires. that is a different order of magnitude of a problem. the good news here is, despite the delays yesterday, you have releases continuing. it is in hamas's interest to play the numbers game, to drill these hostages out by time, and wait for increasing pressure, particularly from the members of the israeli families whose loved ones are not returning. that pressure is going to grow. it's going to grow in the face of a humanitarian catastrophe which is now growing within gaza. it may grow from the perspective of the united states who wants to use the hostage negotiations to try to figure out a way to tamp the fighting down if not at some point sooner rather than later and it. >> is there and -- any validity to the concern of the hostages are being held on to until day four of the cease-fire truths to be able to encourage the united states itself to pressure israel for an extended cease-fire? >> absolutely, not only day four, but days beyond it. that raises the question of the hundreds of adult males and females, civilian and 30 to 40 idf soldiers, that hamas has retained. that is their ultimate leverage. they know israel put a premium on redeeming people from the battlefield. they are going to continue to use that card to constrain delay. from that perspective, they can negotiate, quote unquote, for an ultimate cease-fire, which would give hamas quite a victory. >> aaron, before i have to let you go, i wanted to quickly ask you about the fact that hamas took children, two-year-old, three year olds. they also took elderly, some of whom were visibly sick and injured. they took them into custody. do they do that because there is a strategic value in having those lives but that simultaneously, those are the first ever going to be released because they are some of the youngest and oldest and maybe don't have a value for hamas when it comes to later negotiations? >> i think both of your pieces of analysis are correct. they took people because they could. to a large degree, hamas was surprised by the ease with which they were able to overrun israeli military bases and to penetrate these rural communities, these villages which are proximate to the gaza border. it's extraordinary cruel and unforgiving, the statistic and indiscriminate nature of the killing. the taking of hostages is clearly, has always been part of hamas's playbook. one last point, katie -- to trade them for the 6000 or so palestinians who are now prisoners in israeli jails, if hamas can train all of the hostages for all of those prisoners, they are stuck on the palestinian street. it's going to go way up. >> aaron david miller, thank you for joining us and for the inside. it is critical at this time. i appreciate you. >> thank you for having me, katie. joining me now is nbc news correspondent erin mclaughlin who is live in tel aviv, israel. it's nice to see you. we just learned, just learned that one american might be among those hostages which are released today. what have you heard? >> yeah, that's right, katie. a u.s. official told nbc news that they have reason to believe that one of the american hostages could be part of today's hostage exchange. the white house in the past has pointed to three americans possibly being released as part of this overall deal, this four-day cease-fire, two women and one child, a four-year-old little girl. no other specifics were provided by this particular u.s. official but it's worth underscoring the fragility of this situation, especially when you consider what happened yesterday in terms of the process, hamas suddenly announcing an hours long delays, citing this litany of complaints. chief among them was that not enough aid was getting up to a northern gaza. this entire region was waiting to see if the -- the exchange did happen. 13 israeli hostages were released for 39 palestinians. i was talking to a red cross spokesperson earlier this morning. she was making that point. she texted me saying the operations are delicate and complicated and one can never be taking place based on all the complexities. it's unclear when we are expecting today's exchange to happen. this is certainly a region collectively holding its breath, katie. >> nbc news correspondent erin mclaughlin, thank you for being here. we appreciate it. still to come this morning, a special two hour edition of the katie phang show, trump's trash talk. the former president is unwilling to stop his harassment of court clerks, personnel, even judges. will a court force him to keep his mouth shut? 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>> well, good morning. the expectation today is encouraging. jake sullivan, national security adviser to president biden, has said, and other senior u.s. officials have indicated there is reason to believe that one american would be among those released today. all the cautions have ly as you indicated, there were snags yesterday and hurdles which delayed theprocess. it's tenuous. it's fragile. they are still hopeful that un-american could be included. of those ten americans, as many as ten, their whereabouts are unknown. the u.s. knows that three, two women and a four-year-old girl, would be eligible for release under the terms of this multi day phase exchange of hostages for prisoners and aid. the fate of other americans, for example, men among that group, would not qualify under this. that is why we are talking about three. if we narrow it even further, the new information we have this morning is that there is an expectation that one american, we don't know which one at this point, could be included. all of the caution applies because, as jake sullivan said to nbc news, they are dealing with hamas. the u.s. designates it is a terrorist organization. trust is limited here. at the same time, the president has been working the phones, directly engaged with leaders from qatar. the prime minister of israel, also egypt, and qatar have been really at the forefront here negotiating the terms among the parties. there is encouragement today. we will see how it plays out over a phased period of hours as we have been watching. it would be a sort of proof of this process working if it goes forward. the u.s. is certainly encouraged by this. as you indicated, disappointed up until this point to be halfway through the process and not have americans. that might change today as we will see it unfold in the next several hours. katie? >> and we see news white house correspondent kelly o'donnell, thank you so much for that latest. we appreciate it. we're going to bring you the latest on the israel hamas hostage deal throughout the morning right here on msnbc. we are now going to turn to a major court date for former president donald trump. tomorrow, a new york appeals court will reveal whether to reinstate a gag order which was temporarily lifted in the fraud trial of the twice impeached, quadruple indicted ex president. this comes days after trump attacked the judge presin over his civil fraud trial, calling the judge, quote, psycho and accusing his primary law clerk of cruion. trump claims it is his first amendment right to harass members of the court. the law clerk and th judge have received thousands of threatening and violent messages. will trump stay unchanged? joining me now, barbara mcquade, law professor at the university of michigan law school in a co-host of the sisters in law podcast. barb, it's good to see you. let's speak quickly about this appeals court appearance for donald trump. he seems to spend a lot of time in trial court. he is in appellate courts a lot. there was a filing done in that new york a.g. civil fraud case appeal by the state, by new york state. it detailed thousands of horrible, violent, antisemitic messages that were being received by the law clerk as well as judge engoron. from an evidentiary perspective, just the appeals court take that into perspective what is going to hear oral arguments tomorrow? >> i think so, katie. that is because that it shows that it's not an imaginative or speculative harm. these are real threats coming in every day and disrupting the business of the court, putting its employees in harm's way. one of the things that the lawyers have done which is very misleading here is to look at cases outside of the court of criminal cases. prior restraints are frowned upon. anything that is -- that's not the world that we are in. we are in the world of a trial. inside a trial to protect court staff and the very administration of justice, those rules are different. we hope that the court sees the light versus this restriction on the other. >> let's shift gears and head out west to the state of colorado. a lot of us were watching the litigation ensuing out there. there was an attempt by a group of plaintiffs to get donald trump not on the 2022 ballot because of his role in exciting -- the colorado appeals court, another appellate court there for donald trump, is hearing the appeal. i wanted to ask you, though, both donald trump and the plaintiffs who lost at the trial court level are both appealing. why would donald trump appeal what would otherwise be a good result for him? >> yeah, that's a really interesting decision by the court, katie. the court found that donald trump had engaged in insurrection which is kind of the big ticket there. that is the issue that donald trump is appealing. the reason that the plaintiffs are appealing, a group of colorado voters, is the court also found that the president doesn't meet the language of the constitution where it says that an officer of the united states, that is exempt. both parties have an issue that they want to take up on appeal. the reason that you would include all other officers of the united states but not the people of the nicest people you want to barr seems kind of nonsensical. those would be the two issues before the court on appeal. >> barb, on social media and otherwise, there's been a lot of chatter about how absurd it is for the judge to take the construction that the president of the 90 season of considered to be an officer we united states. do you think this is -- again, i know it is speculation on our part, but do you think this was an end result, an outcome based reasoning for the tried -- the judge to get there? >> if she had wanted to do that, there were other ways to say that there needs to be -- [inaudible] [inaudible] i take judges to be acting in good faith. it strikes me as an odd construction. i don't describe to her any cowardly motives in doing so. i think that's probably how she reads the statute. that's probably what the court of appeals is for, to reveal these decisions and see if they hold up under scrutiny. >> because donald trump has no shortage of legal cases, in fulton county, his criminal defense lawyer has actually asked the fulton county judge to have the federal prosecutors who are in the judge chutkan d.c. election interference case to turn over its list of evidence which is otherwise being held confidentially up in d.c. so that they can determine if there is relevant evidence to use for the defense down in georgia. how successful is that going to be to obtain the evidence list which was otherwise not up for a public consumption? >> yeah, i think there is zero chance of getting that. these are separate sovereigns who are engaging in separate prosecutions. fani willis has a duty to turn over any evidence she's going to use in the trial and any evidence exonerating for the defense and the right to a fair trial, she doesn't have access to what's going on in federal court and neither does the defense. they have absolutely no duty to turn this over. i think they play these strategies so often, even when they know there is zero chance of prevailing, to have another issue to complain about it in the press and show supporters how unfair the process is. that's absolutely not true. it's one more thing to complain about. >> before i let you go, i'm very excited about the fact that you have a new book, attack from within, how -- talk a little bit about your book. i would love for our viewers to get some ideas of what you have written. >> thank you so much, katie. it comes out february 27th but it's available for preorder now. how have we seen so much disinformation used? it's not a new trick but it's one that has now been pushed with a new engine, the new technology of social media, and the ability for authoritarians to push their agenda, not only to fool some people, but others will go along with the con just for the goal of seeing their agenda satisfied. i talked about the psychological reasons it works and the way it is causing real harm in our country. >> i was going to say, barb, we've definitely seen the legal consequences which happened when it disinformation and misinformation are allowed. barbara mcquade, thank you for being here. i always appreciate you. >> thank you, katie. >> of course. coming up next, the kids are still all right. we will take a deep dive into the latest nbc news poll showing young voters showing enthusiasm to vote next november and what democrats must do to lock up the support of that crucial voting bloc ahead of decision 2024. keep it right here. you are watching msnbc. it right here you are watching msnbc you are watching msnbc ma, ma, ma— ( clears throat ) for fast sore throat relief, try vicks vapocool drops. with two times more menthol per drop, and powerful vicks vapors to vaporize sore throat pain. vicks vapocool drops. vaporize sore throat pain. 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>> thank you for having me. just a quick correction, i'm not on the city council. i'm a committee person in philadelphia. to answer your question, when it comes to the rejection of party labels by gen z, that can be attributed to the fact that we just don't want to be labeled. but we are more driven by our desire to have our issues addressed and not the party itself. >> some of the top issues that we are hearing about time and time again includes mass shootings, climate change, racial and equity, mental health, and abortion. these are all issues that president biden has successfully and very vocally supported. donald trump certainly has not. why any dip in support for president biden? >> to be honest, what i can tell you about these issues, specifically speaking to mass shootings, is that, if we're going to talk about engagement, getting individuals out, it's more about connectedness. gen z has an unfortunate and unfathomable connectedness to the issues of mass shootings, climate change, abortion access, than any other generation to date. these issues are deeply personal to us. they're not abstract. candidates act like they know that. >> there's a lot of democrats who fear that, despite the reality of a positive outlook, social media contributes to a negative attitude which is brewing with younger americans. the washington post pointed out that, on tiktok, for example, the hashtag economy collapsing released a fever pitch this past month. inflation markedly cooled, growth remained robust, -- how should democrats be combatting distorted economic narratives online? >> thank you for that. i think it's very important to note that our finding found that most of the order skipped their information from digital outlets and social media. i think that political candidates have a unique opportunity to engage gen z in a way that has spanned never done before. this isn't 15 years ago. an individual may read a newspaper or watch the evening news. we are always getting notifications. anyone can post anything. i think that political candidates want to combat misinformation, dissatisfaction. they have to be intentional about meeting us where we are in spreading the message we want out there to engage us properly. >> i found this ignite report to be very interesting. it said that roughly 70% of women and nonbinary gen zers say they would be more likely to vote if there was more diversity among candidates regarding gender, race, and age as well as candidates speaking to the issues young people care about. that makes sense. i'm definitely not gen z. i would want that. as long as a candidate like president biden can meet the voters where they are from the agency block, when it comes to the issues, when it comes to making sure that those issues are addressed in a second term administration, is that sufficient for gen z voters or are they singularly looking for someone who is just different than what the candidate is? >> it goes back to the point of gen z longing and desiring for an individual that speaks directly to their issues. diversity is going to be a major factor. not just diversity in age, race, so co economic status, but diversity in live life experience. recently, i've had the opportunity to be a field staffer for a mayor in philadelphia in a historical mayor race with the primary general election. what i have learned on the ground very quickly is that gen z desired that diversity which, i mean, the study proves that this helped catapult cherelle parker into becoming philadelphia's 100th mayor and the first female mayor. they want candidates with lived life experience. they want candidates who can speak directly to a proven political track record. >> shania bennett, thank you so much for joining us today. >> thank you so much for having me. >> still to come on today's show, moscow versus media matters -- inside the fight between the self-described richest men in the world elon musk and the grassroots media organization which is trying to fight nazism on his social media platform formerly known as twitter. that is next. formerly known as twitte that is next that is next whenever you're hungry, there's a deal on the subway app. buy one footlong, get one 50% off in the subway app today. now that's a deal worth celebrating. man, what are you doing?! get it before it's gone on the subway app. ♪♪ [deep exhale] [deep exhale] [trumpet music plays] 579 breaths to show 'em your stuff. every breath matters. don't like rsv take your breath away. protect yourself from rsv... ...with abrysvo, pfizer's rsv vaccine. abrysvo is a vaccine for the prevention of lower respiratory disease from rsv in people 60 years and older. rsv can be serious if you are 60 or older. having asthma, copd, diabetes, or heart disease puts you at even higher risk. abrysvo is not for everyone and may not protect all who receive the vaccine. don't get abrysvo if you've had a severe allergic reaction to its ingredients. people with a weakened immune system may have a decreased response to abrysvo. the most common side effects are tiredness, headache, pain at the injection site, and muscle pain. ask your pharmacist or doctor about pfizer's rsv vaccine, abrysvo. visit these retailers or find other retailers near you at abrysvo.com. 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>> that's right. that is what started this series of reports. we were talking about the specific topics in august. as part of efforts to bring advertisers back to the platform, they sort of rolled out or announced a series of safety projections. they kind of gave up on the idea that the platform was not going to become an increasing sex cesspool for extremism or pro-nazi content. don't worry, we have these new mechanisms in place. we are must much more robust than they were. that will prevent ads from appearing alongside this stuff. you don't have to worry. these reports, this was just one of many. all were illustrating something which was at play here. the tools that they claimed were in place to protect brands were not operating. that is sort of the core here. we had placed the ads. we did not photoshopped pictures of the ads. we used to twitter the way a normal user would. we logged the advertisements which will receive. that's the issue. no matter how you slice it, the fact is their brain safety tools weren't operating the way that they claim that they should have been. >> let's be clear. the problem with advertisers we ghana long before media matters did this report and before this lawsuit, as early as this summer. advertising has been down nearly 60%. do you think musk is using the lawsuit as a scapegoat for four management of his company? >> not only the mismanagement in terms of gutting the brand safety, to your point, advertisers had been leaving very early on before he even made bag changes. he signaled that he was going to -- we shouldn't forget that the lawsuit came, the advertiser exodus came not only on the heels of the report that they put out but on elon musk's own behavior. he was not just engaging with some extreme anti-semitic replacement theory. he responded to this notion that the thing that people were chanting, that jews in america are somehow funding mass immigration to delude white power. he responded to that greater placement theory claiming the actual truth on his own platform. if you are an advertiser, you are looking at the increased rise in toxicity, saying that they are sharing and revenue with these hitler stan accounts to get thousands of dollars of that revenue. elon musk does that, showing the justification of adds next to extreme content. when you put it all together as an advertiser, you are like, it goes all the way to the top. they're not going to put in place the mechanisms which make it good for business from an advertisers perspective. >> musk likes to tout himself as being a free speech absolutist. that is his phrase. those are his words. he attacks the speech of others that he does not occur within promotes the speech of those with whom he does. the irony does not escape me. >> i would note that the investigations from state a.g.'s were seemingly a byproduct of some things that musk had said. a former trump advisor floated this idea on acts that media matters should not only be forced to suffer civilly but that we should be criminally punished as well because they would consider whatever we did fraud which was accurate reporting. musk engaged with that. as soon as he sort of engaged with that theory and that idea from stephen miller, that is when the state agencies took up the mantle and did the next step. that's not anything close to the realm of free speech. the way that he operates acts isn't in line with that. the way that he then tries to squelch, stop, and suppress things he disagrees with using his vast medians is not in line with that. the real free speech argument is when you use state power to stop or punish speech. that's actually really at the core here. he wasn't happy to deal with that. he was enthusiastic to enlist state power in order to punish and stop speech she did not like. >> the reason why i noted that the lawsuit was brought in texas, two of ken paxton's top lieutenants are doing a lawsuit against guys. thank you for being here. i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> coming up after a quick break, the community grocers -- how two young men are helping food insecure members of their community fine hot, healthy meal choices they can buy with snap benefits, and the push to get lawmakers on board. you are watching the katie phang show, only on msnbc. he t katie phang show, only on msnbc. phang show, only on msnbc. ♪ shelves. shelves that know what taste buds want. shelves smart enough to see, sense, react, restock. ♪ so caramel swirl is always there for the taking. we're travelling all across america, talking to people about their hearts. wh-who wants to talk about their heart! how's the heart? 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>> good morning, katie. thank you so much for having us on air this morning and for the opportunity to share what we are doing. it's an all hands on deck effort to reinvent the corner store and reimagine together what is possible with our food system when neighbors from across generations and backgrounds work together to really come together and dream of what is possible and do it. we call food justice, health justice, economic justice, it's all falling under the activity that we are doing. the community groceries reimagining our food system. the sky is the limit to what it can become. >> this kitchen and grocery won't be up and running until next summer. what is being done to meet the needs of families until then? >> hi, katie. glad to be here. we are working every day with our neighbors to make sure they are well nourished, well fed, and really heard. t c g, it is working together, being a persistent presence. we fed over 6000 of our neighbors with full thanksgiving meals. we are working every day to work with our youth, our seniors, and hold this vision together. that's what we have been doing and we will continue to do over these next 12 months of -- as much as it is hvac and electrical and construction, it's community building. we are working together to make this collective agent a reality. >> alex, walk me through how this would work. someone comes up with their s.n.a.p. benefits. they buy raw, uncut ingredients for a meal. then what happens? >> yeah, the whole concept behind the store and reinventing retail access is working within governing s.n.a.p. benefits where our neighbors are limited in what they are allowed to choose. the policy is intended for fresh ingredients. it allows for ultra processed foods to be eligible as well. the idea of it day today, block by block, and even in rural neighborhoods across the country is that and soda and highly processed foods are what are being purchased with snap benefits. it was coming together with our neighbors during covid and really having the time to think about the systems that govern daily life and the role of food in our lives. it was chips and soda being breakfast, lunch, and dinner for so many americans. the time is now for us to reject that and to create a new platform to establish rituals and relationships with ingredients, fresh ingredients, and do what is right for our farmers all the way through to our seniors and everyone in between. the store is within compliance of snap policy. if we can't buy hot or prepared food, let's build a retailer where we have an all-day menu for smoothies and breakfast sandwiches to family platters where the receipts is your recipe and you effectively can just go in the fridge and by the number for dinner. it's the itemized list in compliance with federal policy so that it is a retailer. we can ensure that neighbors have a pathway to her preparing farm fresh ingredients after they leave our store. what that means is that the all day menu has recipes and the rear half of the building is a separately run community kitchen with a food lobby where you can go and trade those meal kit that you got for one that is hot and ready, cooked by a separate nonprofit organization at no additional charge. >> absolutely brilliant. alex imbot and eli moraru, i love this. i hope it is a template for all cities across the united states and i can't wait to see it when you guys are up and running. thank you for being so thoughtful and thank you for doing what you can do for your community. i appreciate it. >> thank you! >> coming up in the next hour of this special extended edition of the katie phang show, ambassador mark regev, advisor to benjamin netanyahu, will join me to discuss what we know about the latest list of hostages expected to be released sometime today. when may american captives be freed as part of the deal? 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