to rescue more than 200 hostages kidnapped by hamas six capital riot from his federal weeks ago. today, israeli prime benjamin netanyahu says there is currently no deal to release them. netanyahu updated israelis during a news briefing in tel election interference aviv. indictment -- a week ago, netanyahu told nbc news there could be a possible deal with hamas. but earlier today, thousands of why did trump try to censor his own -- israelis marched into jerusalem, demanding their government do what's the strategy there? >> look. i think trump is very concerned he's going to be tried in the more to release the hostages being held in gaza. district of before a jury who witnessed the events of january 6th. firsthand. also today, in tel aviv, in a and so it's really not surprising he's going to try separate protest, israelis and limit his involvement in this offense anyway he can. demanded a cease-fire and long term solutions to secure peace but jack smith's indictment in the region. makes clear that although trump is not charged with inciting insurrection in the united netanyahu maintains a temporary states, he is alleged to have been a cause of the violence on cease-fire will only come after january 6th, which is the same finding that the colorado judge we were just mentioning made. hamas releases all the hostages. so, it seems to be a, kind of, futile effort to try to in this video, you can see disconnect himself from the right there, in gaza city today, shows people leaving al-shifa hospital. that director of gaza hospital events of january 6th, but it system claims israeli army appears that's what he's trying to do. >> chris mattei, thank you so ordered people to leave, but much. really appreciate it. the israeli army denies it next, the potential forced people out. breakthrough in the fight against fentanyl. only a few daughters stayed behind to treat patients who president biden and chinese were too sick to leave. president xi, coming to an the hamas-controlled government says, more than 12,000 people have died in gaza since the start of the war. meanwhile, president biden is agreement this week to address the crisis. this and my reporting of what laying out what he calls basic principles to reach peace in working with china on this is the region. vital. plus, advertisers flee x after bidens, in the washington its owner elon musk endorsed post, and i quote, to start, and antisemitic tweet. musk also threatening to squash the group, media matters. their president joins us ahead. gaza must never again be used but first, richard lui with the as a platform for terrorism. other big stories off tonight. there must be no forceable >> good evening, paola. displacement of palestinians former first lady rosalynn from gaza. no occupation, no siege, or carter entered hospice care. blockade. and no reduction in territory. the family made the announcement friday, saying she d after this war is over, the and former president jimmy carter are spending time with voices of palestinia people and their aspirations must be each other and their family at at the center of postcrisis home. president carter has been in hospice care since february. governance in gaza. taylor swift canceled her nbc news correspondent jay gray concert in rio de janeiro kicks off our coverage in tel aviv. tonight due to extreme heat after a fan died at last night's show there. swift saying the safety of her >> paola, thousands joined the fans, performers, and crew come families at the end of the first. five-day march from here in tel aviv to jerusalem, demanding a 23-year-old fan died of cardiac arrest in 100-degree there be some type of deal to heat, friday. release more than 200 being fans complained about a lack of available water. held hostage in gaza. tonight, prime minister and spacex had an unmanned test benjamin netanyahu said launch of a rocket this morning, negotiations are continuing. with mixed results. but that to this point, there is been no acceptable offer from hamas to make some type of the company saying lift off and deal. separation was successful. all of that while the idf is before it lost contact about ten minutes into the flight. expanding its footprint on the spacex says, the craft likely ground in gaza. moving more to the east and to self-detonated. they're working to determine the south. why. we know that much of the fight more american voices after this break. ing now is some of the dense it's lying dormant, waiting... urban areas. and could reactivate. we have seen airstrikes to the shingles strikes as a painful, south, and that's something blistering rash that can last for weeks. they say that's going to continue. what the idf has said and it could wake at any time. repeatedly, over the last 24 hours, is that a lot of missile launches are coming from the think you're not at risk for shingles? 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of your people and their children and their children's children to create a better pathway for israelis and palestinians. and i'm telling you, you look around and those leaders are not there. i participated in most of the negotiations between israeli and palestinians, particularly at camp david, 23 years ago. this past july. the gaps are huge. kills more americans than any other drug. so when president biden met but in order to have the remotest possibility of working this week with leaders of both this through, you really need leaders. mexico and china, fighting the flow of the drug into the united states was top of the agenda. president biden needs partners. without those partners, it will chinese president xi agreed to be extremely difficult for him crack down on chinese companies to make much headway. making fentanyl precursors. mexican president andres manuel >> i think one of the reasons lopez obrador vowed to curb why the president felt compelled to write this op-ed is because of the backlash he's received from own members of drug trafficking across our shared southern border. his administration. these two countries are we know more than 500 political responsible for the majority of the fentanyl that enters the united states. earlier this year, i interviewed a mexican cartel for vice news. i wanted to understand how this appointees signed a letter protesting president biden's multinational supply chain actually works. >> [speaking in a global language] israel policies. what was your reaction to that? >> i had 25 years at the department of state. we went through many crises during those 25 years, but never have i seen this sort of internal reaction. not just from the department of state, from congress, staffers, >> [speaking in a global language] and even from the white house. it's as if the administration is, sort of, mediating its own >> [speaking in a global language] israeli palestinian conflict. i think the blood is up. people are in their corners. there is a certain >> [speaking in a global language] incomprehensibility in the wake of the catastrophic >> [speaking in a global language] humanitarian situation in gaza. and i think that's what's >> [speaking in a global language] motivating so many people. they want a tougher response from the biden administration, one that's much more balanced, and they want, clearly, a cease-fire. >> joining me now. which everybody would want. however, that cease-fire needs los angeles times criminal justice editor, keegan hamilton, former correspondent for vice news and a former colleague of to be tethered to release of mine. keegan, thank you for being hostages, at a minimum. here. as you know more than anyone, because otherwise, it is just a temporary pause and it won't the drug crisis is something address the underlying problem. >> aaron, before we go, very quickly, what is the one piece that has touched most americans of advice you could give in this country. president biden right now, however, i don't think a lot of people understand the supply and demand chain. how it works. if you could start by giving us given the amount of years you spent at the state department. a picture of how that chain works? how does fentanyl enter the united states? >> the president said, there is no return to status quo after october 6th. >> it's been hard to understand that's a huge commitment. because it shifted overtime. mister president, if you can undertake this, you have really got to stay with it. several years ago, when all this first started in the mid middle east peace-making is not for the faint hearted. no one's going to plant a tree 2010s, fentanyl was initially come directly from china through the mail to the united states. as china has gotten more tougher over the years, more pressure from the united states, we have seen that flow shift to in your honor if you succeed, mexico with precursor chemicals but it's worth the effort and supplied by china with mexican cartels using those to make fentanyl and in clandestine you really ought to take it on. >> aaron david miller, thank you so much. really appreciate it. another big development, a colorado judge ruling donald trump, and i quote, engaged in insurrection. but, even though i just said, that they rejected a bid to labs and smuggle it across the remove trump from the 2024 border. ballot. the judge decided, the 14th we are increasingly seeing precursor chemicals from other amendment doesn't apply to trump because the wording does countries as well, including india. so the landscape shifts and not specifically mention the president. the nonprofit behind a lawsuit to remove trump from colorado's ballot plans to appeal, and in it's going to be interesting to see where the cartels making michigan another bid to block the fentanyl continue to get trump from running is heading to the state supreme court. their supply. with me now is chris mattei, >> very quickly, keegan, why is it so easy to smuggle these drugs in the border? i've been at that border so many times. you have as well. former federal prosecutor and we've been with border patrol agents. why is it logistically so easy? >> fentanyl, the appeal of it is it's so powerful. it's more concentrated, more powerful than morphine or heroin. and so, you don't need as much to get as much volume to partner at the koskoff law firm in connecticut. thank you so much, chris, for being with us tonight. smuggle, essentially. i want to first get your reaction from the colorado judge. what is the first thing that when you are smuggling it went on in your mind? >> the most stunning revelation through the port of entry, it's from the courts. over 100 page ruling. it concluded that trump engaged in insurrection against the united states. the court went through a hidden in a large vehicle like lengthy analysis as to what the a trailer truck or something founders meant when they like that, the amount of described insurrection and concluded that trump had fentanyl you can smuggle in one engaged in the force or threat of force to interfere with the go could supply a pretty large execution of the laws. customer base. that's part of the challenge with fentanyl, specifically. so to see a judge conclude that >> if you look at the numbers there, they're pretty horrific. right? there is over 73,000 americans that have died from fentanyl overdose, just last year. a former president of the united states did, that is stunning. it's also true that the judge of course, we know, most of the concluded that even though president trump had engaged in fentanyl is being produced in insurrection, the 14th mexico, it's been produced and china. but if you look at both of these countries, they don't have the same problem. so what does that tell you, based on your own reporting about the crisis that we're amendment of the united states, facing specifically in the u. s.? according to this judge is reading, does not apply to former presidents of the united >> there is a supply and demand states. crisis. the supply comes from china and the text of the 14th amendment essentially says, anyone who's mexico, but the demand is immediately american. been caged insurrection against the united states, or his previous to take an oath to support the constitution of the united states, might no longer hold public office. here the court concluded that the president is not among the officers that amendment applies these drugs wouldn't come here to. if people aren't consuming them and paying dollars to acquire them. there is a lot of talk about tightening up the border, cooperating with china and mexico internationally. those are important in their own right. also the courts said, it's but at the end of the day, as long as american consumers are consuming fentanyl, it's going to find a way to get into the country. mindful that were it to rule >> what does a time to address otherwise, it would result in the disqualification of a that demand? candidate for president of the united states. i think you're right, i think the court essentially invited the heart of it is americans are asking for it. an appellate court to review right? there is a crisis that starts the decision to decide whether or not the 14th amendment could stop donald trump from being a with us. what will it take to offset candidate for president. demand? >> that's what's interesting. perhaps donald trump is smiling today, but you have people like a scholar laurence tribe. >> it's a rethinking of a lot of the ways we looked at drug tribe said the colorado judge actually handed down a defeat for trump. take a listen to what he said. addiction. >> she threw him a lifeline, it was so thin, so threadbare, so likely to fall apart. that although he could claim i think there have been some efforts in american cities at harm reduction, but they could go farther to saving lives, especially the increased availability of opioid reversal victory, no appellate court could uphold putting him on the drugs like naloxone that can reverse the drugs and could ballot on the basis. literally save a life. >> so where do you see this case going? also, looking at some of the underlying causes that drive people to use drugs. >> it seems right. i think other countries around the world, europe for example, look at the health care system there and i think that goes hand in hand with the demand for drugs in this country. >> keegan, there is a recent new york times article that highlights the fact that more americans are increasingly using multiple illegal substances at once. i think, one doctor said, it's no longer an opioid epidemic. this is an addiction crisis. can you talk to us and really explain why it's become so dangerous for you jurors? >> i think that's been true since the beginning of the opioid crisis. talking about opioid addiction for years, starting with prescription pills and then heroin, now fentanyl. but throughout all of that there is been a poly drug crisis. that includes methamphetamine, which is the drug we saw the cartel making you talked about in this clip with you, you saw it firsthand. that's a huge problem, still, in the united states. also pharmaceutical drugs -- all of those combine to cause overdoses. so, government tends to focus on one problem and fentanyl has been the headline getter for a while now. but taking a step back and thinking more holistically, this is not just fentanyl, opioid addiction. this is a drug addiction problem. and trying to address some of the root causes of why people use drugs could be the long term solution. >> keegan, i wanted to talk to you because you have been reporting on this for many years. you have embedded with the cartels. you've understood the problem and the pain. i want to ask you, is there anything that has surprised you at all from all of these years, reporting on the ground? >> i think what surprises me is that the rhetoric of the evil cartels, pumping poison into the country, doesn't often square with my experience on the ground in mexico. and i don't know if that's the same for you, but oftentimes these are people just trying to make a living in an incredibly poor areas. and i think they're kind of aware of the consequences in the united states of what's going on, but for them it's purely an economic decision and when you talk to governments, i've had interactions, not recently, but in the past with the government of china asking about their role in the crisis. they say, we are doing what we can but this is an american demand problem. i think americans look outward to blame the cartels or chinese government, but they need to do some self-reflection about what's causing the problem. >> definitely a need to look inward. l. a. times criminal justice editor, keegan hamilton, thank you so much for joining me. i really appreciate it. coming up, elon musk is threatening to sue a media watchdog for reporting on his antisemitic endorsement that caused advertisers to flee his social 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media methods and investigation reveals ads from these companies being placed alongside antisemitic and white supremacist content on the platform. elon musk is threatening legal action, blaming the media matters report, that one you just saw, and saying they rigged the platform to show ads can appear next to objectionable content. musk tweeting, quote, the split second court opens on monday x corp will be filing a thermonuclear lawsuit against media matters and all those who colluded in this fortunate attack on our company. media matters president and ceo angelo carusone joins me tonight. angelo, this is your first interview since musk threatened to take legal action against you. i must say, against your company, thank god. what is your response to this? >> i think that the thing to keep in mind is it's not really clear what his course of action is. i think, the most reported thing is -- he confirmed that our reporting was accurate. everything he said, he said everything in the report did exist on the platform. that's our core argument. the platform is so saturated with extremism, with white genocide, with antisemitism, racism, conspiracy theories. things that should otherwise be managed in some way, that they can't actually protect the few brands still willing to remain on the platform. this has been an ongoing thing for the past few months. this is the latest in a string of these instances. the most important thing, though, he confirmed we are right. >> were you surprised at all to see the reaction from some of these companies? were you expecting all of these pretty big advertising companies to follow through from what you said? >> i think the thing that was significant is it was his own conduct. because that lens gave advertisers to analyze what's taking place on the platform. i wasn't surprised one or two advertisers pulled through ads, maybe those who are small or buyers. that's been happening since august. we have been putting out similar approach like this for the past few months. a couple of advertisers pullover ads, and that's a day story. it wasn't a huge, big thing. but, as you pointed out and your opponent, he had just embraced, he embraced and promoted antisemitic trope, the idea of white genocide. he said, actual truth. you've said the actual truth. he was validating it. if you're one of his big advertisers, you are looking at the string of problems and looking at elon musk's own conduct, you're saying there is simply no way for the platform to ever cure the issues we're dealing with here because the rot goes all the way to the top. and the ultimate decision maker here isn't going to protect our brands from his content, because he doesn't see a problem with it in the first place. >> let's talk about what he doesn't see. let's talk about the danger of those words. i'm going to read you from the atlantic. they say, it wasn't the first time musk echoed antisemitic conspiracy theories from his social media bubble. and it wasn't the first time he blamed antisemitism on jewish actions, pinning the prejudice on its victims. angelo, can you, again, reinforce the danger that these words carry? >> i think the thing that was most disturbing, when the original deal was being put on the table, was that musk had sort of reflected back out his own journey of what he even described as red pill, the process by which you increasingly adopt these sort of world views. and he had said, there needed to be a mechanism by which we actually red pilled more people. that was around the same time he was beginning to buy twitter. the intention there was not just to -- he says it's always about protecting free speech. that a distraction. that's not what it's about at all. none of this conduct suggests that's what his ownership and execution of x really is. it's about taking these ideas and leveraging the power of a social media app to help evangelise and spread them. when he lets more of these individuals back on the platform, the 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>> yes. i was actually wondering, what can we not say on tv? can we say period sex on tv? >> you can. >> you can! okay! so it's good for you. >> i ask you this, is that why you thought it was important to break the stigma? >> yes. because, when i looked into menstruation and what an interesting monthly event it is, it goes for half of the world's population, it turns out that not only all major world religions seem it dirty for some reason, but also we are really, really not supposed to talk about. why? what's so perhaps dangerous that we must not talk about it? so it was a very curious why for me, which gave birth to this documentary. >> one of the things we see in the trailer is this idea that our periods are political. and that's so true. our periods, it's at the heart of the discussion around reproductive justice, paid leave, the tax, tampons, which a lot of people don't know about. but you also say, menstruation is a partisan issue. so explain that to us. >> we not only say it, we prove it in the film. because the michigan case of tampon tax, in which we follow the young activists who go to michigan to abolish this tax, it was actually republicans who joined democrats and then took over for this bill to be removed. which is massive. so we're starting to find a conversation in which both republicans and democrats understand there is a conversation that we need to have, that we haven't had before, bipartisanly, about bodies that bleed. and we like to say in the film, chiefly but not exclusively, woman bleed. so it's also a human rights issue, not just a women's rights issuel. >> one of the beautiful things about this film is you normalize the idea of educating young people. openly talking about sex, not being afraid to use some of the words. let's hear a clip. >> sex ed is not new mentally here in america. schools are not teaching us about periods, even though it's clear they have student who menstruate. for us who have periods, with our programming, we are filling in that gap. we're actually going into institutions and challenging them to really be allies for their students. >> does anybody here know exactly what a period is or menstruation is? who knows what a period is or what menstruation is? okay. who has a period? oh, okay. so some people who have a period don't know exactly what it is. >> how incredible. almost no one raises their hand when you asked them to explain what is a period. what did you learn about the best ways to reach young people? >> first and foremost, what chelsea is doing in the clip, it's a revolutionary event. because she is teaching teenagers, especially female teenagers, those with uteri, that there is a such thing as ovulation. if you know, when you all feel, light you are more likely to know when you can get pregnant. if you know when you can get pregnant, you might prevent it better rather than when you don't know when your ovulation happens. so believe or not, this becomes a revolutionary body empowerment event, just to know when you're ovulating, not only when you're menstruating. that's massive. we start talking about the cycle as a whole. it's not just a few-day event that happens once a month, we're actually on our cycle for 35, 40 years of our lives. and we are surfing away, if you will. estrogen peaks, ovulation, party time. we feel amazing, skins glowing, memories not the sharpest, communication skills to the nine. and the egg falls out, estrogen levels start peaking down. we have pms. we take a hot bath moment, with some sweet potato pie or something. and then we have menstruation, when we don't want to deal with anybody because we are in pain, or uncomfortable. or some of us run marathons on menstruation. >> we began this conversation by asking folks, what if men had their period. i'll ask you, what if men have a period? what is your conclusion? >> you would surely have menstrual supplies freely, everywhere. and as gloria steinem says in our film, in her amazing essay from 1976, or something, if men could menstruate, men would give each other a high five from how many pads they'd bled through that day. we are not there yet. >> did you learn anything new about yourself as you are researching this topic? >> so much. so much. i started living with my cycle, not ignoring my cycle. and that really changes lives. and that's what i'm really advocating for. it's tracking your cycle and maybe using a menstrual cup if you haven't tried before. because it's really fun to observe your menstrual blood and be like, well, that's a lot of blood. it's very liquid-y today, or it's very brown today. and to understand your body better. simply to become more educated about your body. and surfing your hormonal wave, literally. literally living with your follicular phase, with your ovulation. listening to your pms, which is unheard of. you can listen to what cranky lady inside of you is telling you when you're pms-ing. exactly? exactly! and ideating on your menstruation. literally, writing a diary. listening to your body meditating, because it's easier to meditate when you are menstruating instead of when you're ovulating. crazy! >> thank you so much for making this film, for educating all of us. everyone needs to watch this. you can see periodical at ten pm tomorrow on msnbc and streaming on peacock. more american voices after this. students in a new kind of classroom. ♪ using our technology to power different ways of learning. ♪ harnessing ai to plant new beginnings. ♪ so when minds grow, opportunities follow. 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