bob casey, but he has joined us to explain pennsylvania in a way that no one else can. >> can i tell you, lawrence, that was camped out in pennsylvania the week at the 2020 election. bob casey arrived to the interview that i had with him, spreadsheets, he is a walking encyclopedia on all things elections in pennsylvania. he'll be exactly like i need tonight. >> he's the guy. >> he is the man. >> after a day of meeting with china's president xi jinping in california today, president biden held a press conference. president biden said the number one issue indeed discussions today was fentanyl. >> first, i am pleased to announce after many years of it being on hold, we are restarting cooperation between the united states, prc encountering narcotics. in 2019, you may remember, china took action to greatly reduce the amount of fentanyl shipped directly from china to the united states. in the years since that time, the challenge has evolved, from finished a fentanyl to fentanyl chemical ingredients and pill prices, which are being shipped without control. by the way, some of these bills are being inserted and other drugs like cocaine. a lot of people are dying. more people in the united states between the ages of 18 to 49 died from fentanyl tended from guns, car accidents or any other cause, period. so today, with the new understanding, we're taking action to significantly reduce the flow of precursor chemicals and pro presses, from china to the western hemisphere. it's going to save lives, and i appreciate president xi's commitment on this issue. >> a president announced a major breakthrough in military relations with china. >> we're reassume-ing military to military contact, there are contact, as a lot of you press follow this, that's been cut off, and it's been worrisome. that's what actions -- accidents happen, misunderstandings. we're back to direct, open clear, direct communication, on a direct basis. a vital miscalculation on either side can cause real, real trouble with a country like china or any other major country, and so, i think we will progress there as well. >> the president took questions on a range of issues, including the israel-hamas war, and we'll get to those in a moment. leading off our discussion tonight is ben rhodes, former deputy national security adviser to president obama. also with us, richard stengel, a former undersecretary of state during the obama administration. they are both msnbc political analysts, and i want to share one more thing that the president had to say the day before we get to the discussion, about the relationship with china, and this is his ability now, to pick up the phone, as he put it. >> so, i think i know the man, i know the modus operandi. we have had disagreements, don't shed the views on a lot of things, but he's been straight. i don't mean good, bad or indifferent. he's just been straight, so, we, as i have said, they think that i find most assuring is he raised, and i agree that neither one of us had any concern, any concern about anything between our nations or what's happening in our region. we should come forward and call one another, and i'll take the call. that's an important progress. >> this is one of the demonstrations of the dynamic nature of these relationships because, i'm not sure that we could have predicted a couple of years ago, that the number one agenda item in a summit like this would be fentanyl. >> well, i think that's probably because they cannot get much agreement on bigger issues. i know it sounds a little boring, but the biggest deliverable, as you say in the state department, the biggest achievement at the meeting was the meeting itself. for the last year, year and a half, china has been trending away from the u.s., criticizing the u.s., talking about how relationships with the u.s. is impossible, america's encircling them. the fact that xi jinping came here to have this meeting is a gigantic achievement in and of itself. it makes the world safer. you talk about the military to military agreement, that makes the world safer. that is a big deal. it's great what they did about this precursor chemical to fentanyl, but the biggest achievement was the meeting itself. >> ben, your assessment of what the vote today in the indicted states china relationship. >> the relationship has been in a freefall. united states imposing increasing sanctions on china, preventing the inputs of certain technology to the chinese economy, obviously, odds on key political issues, a lot of tension on taiwan, and it's pretty unusual for a year to go by without the u.s. and chinese president meeting. what i think away from this, lawrence, is that you have a war in ukraine that is in a very different circumstance, and a bit of a stalemate right now, and we're going into a third year. if you have a war in the middle east that risk further escalation, and i think the administration felt that it was very important to indicate that this one really big relationship, the u.s. and china, probably the most important relationship in the world between two countries, that feels like it's headed towards a cold war, and, frankly, could be haunted towards a more direct competition between taiwan, that were at least putting a floor underneath, detentions between the two countries and tried to reestablish lines of dialogue. the military to military contacts, and that is really about preventing an escalation that can lead to war in the taiwan strait or the south china sea. fentanyl is something that americans care a lot about. china do a little bit more to help americans deal with what is a real crisis in our communities. there are a lot of other issues where we continue to have disagreements, including russia, including ukraine, including human rights, but i do think it's in sending the signal to the world and the american and chinese people, at least we tried to talk these things out. when the president talk like this, a sense a message down into their systems, let's resume dialogue and see what we can get done diplomatically, even as you know, what disagree about a lot of things. >> when it came to the questions, or as many questions asked about israel or gaza as there were about china, let's go to the presidents response to a question about is zero and what is happening in gaza, especially at the hospital, where the israeli troops have now entered the hospital. let's listen to the presidents description of what he understands about that. >> here is a situation. you have a circumstance where the first war crime is being committed by hamas by having their headquarters, their military hidden under a hospital, and that is a fact. that is what happened. israel did not go in with large numbers of troops, did not raid, did not rush everything down. they've gone in and gone and what their soldiers carrying weapons or guns. they were told, pulled, let me be precise. we discussed the need for them to be incredibly careful. you have a circumstance where, you know that there is a fair number of hamas terrorists. hamas has already said publicly, that they plan on attacking israel again, like they did before, cutting babies heads off, burning women and children alive. so the idea that they are just going to stop and not doing everything is not realistic. it's not the carpet bombing, this is a different thing. we're going through these tunnels, going into the hospital, and if you notice, i was mildly preoccupied today, i apologize, i did not see everything, but what i did see, whether i have not had it confirmed in, i asked my team to answer the question, what happened is, they're also bringing in incubators, bring in other means to help the people in the hospital, and they've given the doctors, and i am told, the doctors and nurses and personal an opportunity to get out of harm's way, so this is a different story than i believe was occurring before it indiscriminate bombing. >> ben rhodes, there is the president taking a chance to put his framing on what is happening at the hospital. >> it's a big choice, lawrence. i think what joe biden is indicating with that answer is that, and there is a lot of criticism of the nature of the israeli military oppression. a lot of criticism obviously around military operations of any sort. in a hospital, they have hundreds of thousands of civilians as well as potentially hamas, in the tunnel network underneath. the administration, biden administration has been calibrating a bit in recent days to emphasize more the need for humanitarian assistance to get in, calling for humanitarian pauses. i think for the presidents day, you saw him kind of really take a strong line defending israel and saying, i'm actually going to go out and be the spokesperson on behalf of what israel is doing with the military operation. and that carries some risk, because, obviously, this is generating a lot of international blowback, a lot of concern about the scale at the humanitarian crisis in gaza. but i think joe biden has indicated with his statements today, that that is not affecting's support for the israeli military operation. i think the challenge going forward though is that there are these clear divides between the u.s. and israel on things like, how is gaza going to be administered in the long run. what is the ultimate objective of the operation? isn't it all to open and it is really control of gaza? or is it that the palestinian authority rattles returns gaza to its control. i think he did signal today, in ways that will make some people happy, and so people not happy, like everything in this conflict, he signaled that he is kind of doubling down on his support for countries -- netanyahu's military operation in gaza. >> he did say that it would be a big mistake for israel think that they are going to occupy gaza and maintain gaza. let's listen to this, because this is also where president biden once again, talks about the two state solution. >> i made it clear to the israelis, the, to be and as we're cabinet, that the only relevant answer here is a two state solution with israel. we got to get to the point where there is an ability to be able to talk without worrying about whether or not we're just dealing with -- they're dealing with hamas. hamas is going to engage in the same activities that it did over the past on the seventh. but i can tell, i am not a fortune teller. i can't tell you how long it will last, but i can tell you, i don't think it ends until there is a two state solution. i made it clear to the israelis, i think it's a big mistake for them to think that the occupy gaza and maintain gaza. i don't think that works. so, i think you're going to see efforts to bring along -- i should not go into any more, because this is what i have been negotiating with, with arab states and others about what the next steps are. >> i don't think it hansen thought there is a two state solution. >> you know, president biden has almost singlehandedly substituted discussion of a two state solution. he's dedicated -- >> he did it in the very first speech in israel. >> yes, and by the way, as you know, lawrence, he's been a 45-year supporter of zero. it's been a supporter of the two state solution for the beginning, and, of course, as you know, prime minister netanyahu has tried to unravel the two state solution over the last ten years, putting the gaza strip against the west bank. as president biden saying, no, you guys had to figure this out. this is the only way you can get to a new instance where you're not threatening war with each other every two or three years. i've always been a supporter of a two-state solution. let's hope that we can put it back on the table. >> ben rhodes, in that statement, to very loud and clear messages to the israeli government, which i am sure have been delivered privately to, big mistake for them to think we are going to occupy gaza and maintain gaza, and it does not end until there is a two state solution. >> it feels to me, lawrence, what the approach from president biden is on the back of the israeli military operation, even at the risk of taking some flak, a lot of flak, frankly, international li and domestically. but what i have a main difference here is with the long term disposition of gaza. who will be administering gaza, who will be governing gaza, essentially, which will have a lot of challenges, including a lot of displaced, almost people on the back of a military operation. and the long term solution is that the state solution with a palestinian sovereign state in the west bank and gaza, or is it not? is it de facto israeli control over those territories. this is where the government under prime minister netanyahu has not accepted or rejected the two state solution at all, particularly not in the context of their ongoing military operation. this to me is an area where there is going to be some friction going forward. i think partly what the administration is doing is trying to line up our countries, european allies, the countries that want to see an entity conflict, behind the plan, they can build a different palestinian leadership, obviously from hamas, but even from the sporadic palestinian authority, that can be a potential palestinian state. however, at some point, that is going to have to involve a hard conversation with the israeli government, but that involves prime minister netanyahu, who is currently in political hot water there, what they're definitive is leadership open, he's open to a two state solution, that remains to be seen. for people watching this, that seems to be the area where there is the biggest gap between biden and netanyahu. this question of how does this and. they tried to make it and with a two state solution, or do we tried to make it and in some type of military defeat that is permit, essentially, with israeli control over gaza? that remains to be seen. >> this is one of the press conferences where the president stopped a couple of times after leaving the microphone on his way out of the room and turned and took some of the shouted questions, the microphone to them pick that stuff up as well, but one of the shouted questions was about the hostages that hamas has taken. listen to that. >> i am doing everything my power to get you out, coming to help you to get you out, not sending military or anything. is that when you thought i might? i was not talking about military. i was talking about, they are on my mind every single day, 5 to 6 times a day, i am working on how i can be helpful in getting the hostages released, and a half a period of time that is a pause long enough to let that happen. there are somewhere between 50 and 100 hostages there, we thank. >> and sir, once eight-year-old american child. >> you are darn right it is. that is why i'm not going to stop until we get him. >> rich single, he was very clear on how much attention the hostages had from him. >> it's getting a lot of attention from him, from the u.s. government, who are always focused on hostages, but i think a biden's theory at the case is, he wants to modulate the israelis. he wants to make sure that they operate with restraint. the only way you can do that as the u.s. president is to say, i have your back, i am with you. i have a traditional support for you. then, israelis will listen to him, and i think that behind the scenes, biden is being straight with them, that's how he describes xi jinping. he's being straight with them about the fact that they have to show some restraint, have to care about their humanitarian needs there, and i think you will be effective in that. >> ben rhodes, the president is always very careful when he talks about the hostages, and you can see him in realtime, trying to check his words to make sure that he does not say anything that might in any way get in the way of a deal on the hostages. >> well, yeah, from everything i understand about this, lawrence, and talking to people within multiple governments, it's pretty clear that, the u.s. is really trying to negotiate some pretty significant release of hostages, perhaps, particularly women and children, to qatar. qatar has a relationship with hamas, and egypt and obviously the israeli government. now, that will have to include a multidimensional agreement where israel will probably have to pause its military operations for some period of time, in part, just to allow for the transfer of these hostages out. at the same time, you need to make sure that, hamas is delivering on what they are committing to a third party, which is qatar. that's the u.s. contact. it's very complicated. it's three dimensional negotiations that require a lot of people, including people that are active combatants in a war zone, to keep commitments that are going to be difficult. so, i think he wants to not say anything that will upset that precarious balance of negotiation. nor is he going to want to over promise other than his commitment to getting these people out. i think what is clear is that the u.s. is trying to get them out in negotiation. it is easier, as someone who's been in government, trying to get hostages out of your sons, it is just a fact that it is easier to do that do negotiation then through military operation, in a chaotic area of gaza. it's very densely populated, we have a lot of people in close proximity. obviously, you have tunnel networks, so i think the thing to look for is whether or not there is some humanitarian pause that is accompanied by a deal to get a bunch of hostages out, as mediated by qatar, and israel asked to sign off on, obviously, they want to get people up to. but they also to stop the military option off to allow that to happen. >> ben rhodes and rich single, to give amateur joining us on this important day in american foreign policy, appreciate it. thank you. and when we come back, now we know who leaked the video evidence and the case of georgia versus 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that i can go to sleep well tonight, judge, i did release those videos to one all it. and i need to court to know that. >> that was a criminal defense lawyer jonathan miller admitting that he leaked the videos of the prosecutors interviews with the for trump codefendants who have already pleaded guilty. that week on monday night provoked today's hearing on and emergency request by the prosecutors for a protective order covering the pretrial discovery evidence and the case. prosecutors and almost all the defense attorneys agree to accept the version of a protective order written by a lawyer defending david schaffer, the former chair of the georgia republican party. attorney tom clyde representing a group of news organizations object to any protective order at all on first amendment grounds, but josh scott mcafee made it clear that he will issue a protective order tomorrow. >> until we decide what will be relevant and admissible, this case should be tried, not in the court of public opinion, as much as possible, but before a jury and with confidence and with evidence that has been emitted and approved. the court as to how control the justice, the conduct of its officers, and i combine that with the need to keep the jury pool as undated as possible, the need to keep discovery free-flowing and the process, so that all parties can be prepared to prevent pretrial surprise. we've already seen what may happen for protective orders put in place, onerous, logistical burdens that we're going to have to discuss, and i think a protective order mitigates if not protect against those entirely. again, i'll be looking very closely, some of the other first-time especially race such as the ceilings courtroom filings in that sort of thing. i certainly will be modeling a protective order based on that proposed by mr. schaffer. >> after that hearing today, district attorney fani willis filed a motion to revoke bail for defendant harrison floyd, because according to the prosecutions motion, defendant floyd as been publicly communicating with codefendants and witnesses in the case. the prosecution included 15 pages of harrison floyd's social media postings in interviews he has done with trump's supporting outlets. in order to barely stumble, all of the defendants agreed to, quote, not intimidate any person known to him to be a co-defendant or witness in this case, and to, quote, not communicate in any way, directly or indirectly, about the facts of this case, with any person known to him or her to be a codefendant, or, quote, any person not to him or her to be a witness in this case. the prosecution put 17 examples of defendant floyd publicly communicating directly to georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger, who is a witness in the case, and a georgia election worker, who is a witness in the case, as well as several republican communications with codefendant jenna ellis, who has pleaded guilty, and codefendants in a power, who has put it guilty to prosecution motion, says. quote, because of and in response to the defendants intimidating communications, witness ruby freeman has been the subject of renewed threats of violence from their parties. joining us now is andrew weissmann, former fbi general counsel and former chief of the divisional division in the eastern division of new york. he is a co-host at the nbc podcast, prosecuting donald trump, and msnbc legal analyst. also with us, when he's, former district attorney of dekalb county, georgia. when, let me begin with this attempt to revoke bail here, defendant floyd. i just want to read number 10, i don't number 10 that the prosecution included in their list of things he has posted publicly. this process, it's over, georgia secretary of state needs the call his lawyer. he's about to go through some things, exclamation point. so that is interpreted by the prosecution as a direct threat to a witness in the case. secretary of state brad raffensperger. what i find so important about this is whatever action that the judge takes on this motion is a window into what we might expect this judge to do in attempts to control other defendants like donald trump. and, donald trump, i am sure, is watching very closely about what happens to this defendant. >> i think you're absolutely right. again, the prosecutor d.a. willis in this case is doing everything that she should to protect the integrity of the case, as well as the safety of her victim. this is a motion you may see in any prosecution, where you have some type of terror or intimidation. so, i'm not surprised that she filed it. we'll see what the judge can do, but i do think that the judge's decision in this case will be about the weather for the other 14 defendants. >> andrew weissmann, every single item that the district in kearney included in this large package of fences, attorney to the terms of the bond is a very clear. they are all very clear violations. now, it's a question of what is the judge going to do about it? >> that's right, and it's important to know that the judge does have things that he can do short of remanding the defendant and sending him to jail. i do think though that the bigger picture here when i was reading this, as much as there is very clear evidence of direct or indirect communications and intimidating statements, both of which are prohibited by the terms of bail, under which mr. floyd was released. it's that it largely pales in comparison to what defendant donald trump has done in this case, and in d.c.. remember on monday, there is going to be a court of appeals argument on just on the gag order of what he can say. but to me, the striking no here was that it was brought with respect to mr. floyd, but it's hard to see how you bring it against mr. floyd and not against donald trump, with the threat and a risk of violence is far greater based upon the words that he has used. >> andrew weissmann and gwen keyes, thank you both very much for joining us tonight. >> you're welcome. >> thanks for having us. >> and here is more of what president biden had to say today about fentanyl. >> john, i know two people, near where i live, kids literally, as i said, they woke up that. some asserted whether the young man did not, asserted a job he was taking fentanyl. again, i hope you don't have any experience with knowing anyone. this is the largest killer. >> joining us now is pennsylvania senior senator, bob casey. he serves on the senate finance committee, the intelligence committee and now is running for reelection to the united states senate. senator, thank you very much erroneous tonight. i know fentanyl is a serious issue for you in pennsylvania. what was your reaction to what the president said today about the agreement he achieved with china on this? >> lawrence, thanks very much. i have been urging the president to focus on this. i am glad he did, because in our state of pennsylvania, just last year, more than 5000 people died of drug overdoses, and fort nelson at the 5000 were directly attributable to fentanyl. it's a killer in pennsylvania, and i'm glad that we're focused on it in this engagement with china, but i want to see the proof. i want to see the enforcement of what china apparently promised in the summit. >> yeah, that is where the president, he was asked about that very question by a reporter, and that is where she used the old ronald reagan phrase, trust but verify. >> i think that's the right approach. we have seen china on so many instances she on deals and chiang trade and undermine jobs in a state like pennsylvania. i think it's clear to me, at least that china is not simply some competitor. they're in an economic atmosphere. i think we should be clear about that when it comes to a range of issues. by the way, lawrence, it will be a big issue in my campaign that i'm running against someone, when he is running the big such fun in the world, increased investment in china to five years by more than 100,000 person. this is the candidate handpicked by mitch mcconnell. i hope that the folks want to help us in the campaign go to bob casey.com. >> it sounds like you're running against a china expert of, but perhaps, not the kind of expertise dealing with china that should be hoping for. >> no, i think a lot at the candidates that talked up on china don't have a record of standing up to china. in this case, we have a candidate on the republican side that senate pick by mitch mcconnell, who has not only invested in china but obviously made money doing that. he is going to use that money to try to knock me out. we're ready for this campaign, it's going to be a long, tough one, but will win. >> sir, i know you had the vote coming up tonight to continue funding the government. do you think that will go smoothly? >> i think it, will lawrence, and i think it's a good result, to not just have, no government shutdown but also not to have any cuts, like republicans wanted. the vote will take it now is similar attempt by republicans to, once again, tried to slash the cost of government by doing on the backs of the most vulnerable. we're going to defeat this, and then after this, will pass the resolution. it's a good result for the country. >> senator, you have that counting map of pennsylvania behind you, as always do. when you join us, especially when you're explaining to us on how elections are going in pennsylvania. what would you want to tell the joe biden tonight about running with you, as he will be in pennsylvania next year? >> he knows the state pretty well, but i think both the presidential race and my reelection campaign won't be very close. we have to work hard to earn every vote and get our vote out, but we're ready for. >> senator bob casey, thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you, lawrence. >> coming up, russia's protests group, policy right, as brought protests around the world and to the united states, most recently, in indiana. nataliya -- will join us next. will join us next. 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